In short
Hour 2 of The Rich Eisen Show covers NBA playoff talk (Western Conference Finals, officiating), Knicks-Cavs Eastern Conference Finals context, and Stackhouse’s coaching career prospects; it also includes “What’s More Likely” sports banter and a segment on Giants QB Jackson Dart.
Guests
Jerry Stackhouse (18-year NBA veteran; former Vanderbilt head coach; former Golden State staffer; coaching candidate for NBA jobs including Bulls and Portland). No other named guests appear in this hour’s main interview.
Key claims
Wembanyama is “one of one,” elite on both ends and a game-changer defensively; OKC’s Shea is a two-time MVP who returned in “true champion form.” Officials handle playoff games differently than the regular season. Knicks’ home energy in MSG helps role players; Cleveland must be ready for a “fight” on the road.
Notable examples
Wembanyama’s paint patrol scheme; Caruso/Hartenstein matchups; Detroit/late-call officiating example; Stackhouse’s Vanderbilt rebuild (transfer portal/NIL era); Jordan practice story; Sheed Wallace’s unselfishness.
Written by AI. May contain mistakes. Listen to the episode to check what was said.
Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VORich's Thoughts on Jalen Brunson and Knicks
2:06 to 2:44
Discussing Rich's admiration for player Jalen Brunson and the Knicks' performance.
“And he's become one of my favorite Knicks of all time.”
Breaking News on Dylan Harper's Injury
2:45 to 3:00
Rich shares breaking news about Dylan Harper's injury status for the game.
“guard of the San Antonio Spurs, does not have a hamstring injury.”
Welcoming Jerry Stackhouse
3:01 to 3:52
Rich introduces Jerry Stackhouse, discussing his background and current status.
“Jamal Crawford's on the call of that on NBC.”
Jerry Stackhouse's Relationship with Stuart Scott
3:53 to 4:51
Jerry reflects on his memories of Stuart Scott and their shared Tar Heel connection.
“Yeah, I'm back on the East Coast for a little bit right now.”
Discussion on Western Conference Finals
4:52 to 6:00
Jerry shares expert insights on the performance in the Western Conference Finals.
“So how are you – what's your opinion of what we're seeing in the Western Conference Finals right now, Jerry?”
Wembanyama's Unique Skills
6:01 to 8:15
Exploring Victor Wembanyama's rare talent and impact on the game.
“because Caruso and those guys were, you know, made shots.”
Officiating and Playoff Pressure
8:16 to 8:52
Jerry discusses the differences in officiating between regular season and playoffs.
“tacky in some sense of what he was doing, but you got to do what you got to do to try to win.”
Playing in Madison Square Garden
8:53 to 10:47
Jerry shares his thoughts on the unique atmosphere of Madison Square Garden.
“It's too much on the line, too much at stake.”
Jerry Stackhouse's Coaching Aspirations
10:48 to 13:03
Jerry discusses his aspirations to coach in the NBA and his interview opportunities.
“Let's talk about you a little bit, if you don't mind, Jerry Stackhouse.”
Teaching and Relating to Players
13:04 to 14:00
Exploring Jerry's approach to coaching and building relationships with players.
“As a basketball competitor now, when the ball stopped bouncing, now you try to find a way, and that's what I know.”
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Coaching Philosophy and Player Development
14:01 to 16:42
Learn about Jerry Stackhouse's pride in developing players and his coaching inspirations.
“I called, you know, at Vanderbilt, I call guys that very, you know, that in-between stage of high school and pros to developing men.”
Reminiscing About College with Rasheed Wallace
16:42 to 19:09
Hear Jerry Stackhouse's experiences playing alongside Rasheed Wallace and their college dynamics.
“But no, man, we're going to have a good time.”
Interactions with Michael Jordan
19:09 to 20:44
Discover Jerry Stackhouse's memorable moments with Michael Jordan during practice and their competitive spirit.
“That's, you know, obviously for me being in Detroit, we just got to the second round.”
Aspirations for Coaching and Identity
20:44 to 22:01
Jerry Stackhouse shares his dreams of coaching at his alma mater and maintaining his identity as a coach.
“So it's still definitely in my heart, in my soul, something that I hope one day I may get a chance to do.”
The Need for Professionalism in Coaching Attire
22:01 to 22:38
Stackhouse discusses the importance of dressing professionally in the NBA.
“I mean, even as players, and obviously that changed for whatever reason.”
Closing Thoughts with Jerry Stackhouse
22:38 to 23:12
Stackhouse wraps up his insights and expresses his gratitude for the conversation.
“It's another reason to root for you, Jerry Stackhouse.”
Listener Calls and Tributes
25:50 to 28:01
Rich Eisen takes listener calls, discussing recent events and paying tributes.
“Bucked Up is so confident you'll love their drinks.”
Reflections on Family and Sports
28:01 to 29:52
The host and caller discuss the impact of family and sports on personal experiences.
“If anyone can help, Dave Letterman be a guest on the Rich Eisen Show.”
Encouragement and Expectations
29:53 to 30:16
A call to action for the host to approach his New York trip with confidence.
“Mil Mascaris, to answer your question, Manny.”
What's More Likely: NFL Predictions
30:17 to 31:46
The segment introduces a game predicting outcomes in the NFL, discussing various players.
“We're on the subject of what's likely and what's not.”
AFC North Insights
31:47 to 33:00
Discussion on the AFC North teams and their prospects for the upcoming season.
“and the ability to win with the roster that's currently constructed.”
Quarterback Comparisons
33:01 to 36:12
Debate on the best quarterbacks under 30 and their potential for future success.
“But the first part of this is still possible.”
NBA Playoff Predictions
36:13 to 37:58
Analyzing the likelihood of NBA playoff series outcomes and player performances.
“Allen, Mahomes, Burrow, Lamar, or the field?”
Jackson Dart's Emergence as a Quarterback
42:33 to 48:14
Discussion on Jackson Dart's skills and potential as a young quarterback.
“Listen, Jackson Dart, highly talented young quarterback of the New York Giants.”
Transcript
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2:18Rich Eisen:Josh Hart, the sniper of the night. Earlier on the show. 49ers fullback Kyle Juszczyk. Coming up. 18-year NBA veteran Jerry Stackhouse. Plus, latest news and more. And now, it's Rich Eisen. Hour number two of the Rich Eisen Show is on the air. Breaking news from Shams Sharania of ESPN that Dylan Harper, the stupendous young player, guard of the San Antonio Spurs, does not have a hamstring injury. It's an adductor injury and that he's possible for tonight. That's huge. That he's not out for tonight. That's good for them. Jamal Crawford's on the call of that on NBC. Sorry, I said it wrong. You're right.
3:08Yeah, NBC.
3:10Rich Eisen:And he's joining us in hour number three. Buckets. um i want we're going to send out the bat signal for tommy p who guest hosted first two days of this week um that was this week my goodness i know it was this week holy crap i want to know what what the stafford contract means um and then anything that he's got on rogers then we'll send him on for his memorial day weekend but joining us here off of our number two right here on the program um is an 18 year veteran uh former coach at vanderbilt um and somebody um who's potentially in the mix in the NBA for a coaching gig, that's for sure. He is one and only Jerry Stackhouse here on the Rich House.
3:49Rich Eisen:Hi, Jerry. Good to see you. Great. How you doing? What's going on, fellas? How you guys? What's up, man? Where have I found you? Where have I found you? Where are you? Where have I found you? Where are you? I'm in Atlanta. I'm in Atlanta right now. Yeah, I'm back on the East Coast for a little bit right now. This is great. I mean, I go, this is wild right now. I'll be honest. I'm just going to come straight out and say it. You know who would be really psyched right now would be Stuart Scott, my guy. No doubt. To have you on this, like, I'm thinking of him right now. You know, one of my favorite Tar Heels in Stu.
4:21Rich Eisen:I assume you got to know him, right? Yes. I mean, obviously, just from this side, he was a little bit ahead of me. But obviously, as I come in, you can tell his love for being a Tar Heel, man. He always made it known whenever I caught up with him. But, no, definitely missed, man. He was one of the best, as you know. I know. I just remember doing your highlights on SportsCenter back in the day. We're old, man. We're old. You're right. You know what? How about this? We're experienced, Jerry. That's what it is. I like it. I like it. We're experienced. We are not old. We are experienced. So how are you – what's your opinion of what we're seeing in the Western Conference Finals right now, Jerry?
5:04Rich Eisen:I'm wondering what you're – as you're watching this series, knowing this conference and this side of the NBA as well as you do have the last couple of years on the staff in Golden State. What are you seeing out of this Western Conference Finals? What do you think, Jerry? You're seeing greatness on both sides. I mean, obviously what Wimby did in that game one and just the young talent around him is unbelievable. You know, that's what they're able to do in such a short amount of time, but it's all, you know, the catalyst of it all is Wimby and his ability to affect the game on both ends. I mean, he's playing at an elite level offensively and on defensively just, you know, he's changing everything.
5:45You know, he's making them, they got a great scheme where they're just keeping him low and having him be able to just patrol the paint, any cutters, anything, and then their only responsibility is the corner. And they had success with it in the first game, but in the second game, not as much because Caruso and those guys were, you know, made shots. I mean, they're going to live with someone else trying to beat them other than Shea. And then on the flip side, Shea is Shea. He came back in true champion form in game two and showed why he's the two-time MVP.
6:17Rich Eisen:Yeah, I know. I know the answer to this question, but I'll ask it anyway. Is Wambanyama 101, Unicorn? Who would even come close to what you just mentioned defensively and then what he can do offensively? I don't think there's anybody that I've seen. I mean, I hear stories of Wilt and what he was able to do, but obviously Wilt still wasn't pulling up on threes with the game on the line to tie the game up. So I don't know. I mean, he's definitely one of one. I mean, with that length, that skill, you can see the competitiveness that he plays with. seems to be a great teammate just to me says all the right things and is about all the right things it's definitely one of one in my book and then obviously tonight game five I mean game three in a best of five now that the Spurs have home court advantage I just can't imagine Isaiah Hartenstein being allowed to lean on Wembon Yama in the Spurs arena in the way that we saw in game two and lean is I think maybe too light a phrase you know what's your opinion of that no I think he has to come with the same mentality he was the difference in that game he made it tough on him he got up under him and most of the time you do it with a smaller guy but he's just taking advantage and shooting over and just playing above those guys that are smaller that they try to match up with him Caruso who's going to fight him tooth and nail, but he's just not, doesn't have the size to do it.
8:03Harkin actually has the size. You would think it was Chet. You think with all of the history that they have that Chet would be the primary matchup on him, but he's gotten the best of that matchup so far as well. So I think it was a little
8:21tacky in some sense of what he was doing, but you got to do what you got to do to try to win. I think he did frustrate him a little bit And like I said, we'll see if he'll be able to get away with that tonight.
8:31Rich Eisen:Well, I don't mean to steer you in the direction of officiating. I know you're not done coaching in the NBA, Jerry. Sorry to do that. Didn't mean to put you in a position. But I think these guys have a good feel, man. I've seen like, you know, in the last series, I guess, but I think everybody wanted, you know, I think Detroit, when they wanted a late call when he kind of got tripped and Tony Brothers walked away. It's like, no, you got to win these games. It's too much on the line, too much at stake. Both teams have worked too hard to get to this point to allow that type of play to end the game.
9:01You know, you've got an opportunity. You've got five minutes. Let's line up. And I think officials have a good feel for that. There's a difference between regular season, the way games are officiated, and the way games are officiated in the playoffs. And I think everybody understands that. And we just got to try to adjust accordingly.
9:17Rich Eisen:Jerry Stackhouse here on the Rich Eisen Show. What was it like playing in Madison Square Garden? because it seems like the Cavs are getting a little bit, you know, out of their game of the first two games of the Eastern Conference Finals. I don't know if that's what it is. Obviously, the Knicks are pretty damn good at what they do, but I'll give you the floor on that. Yeah, I mean, I think, you know, obviously I've never played in the Garden in a playoff series. So you've got to imagine that it's totally different. I mean, the city is going absolutely bonkers. I mean, they hadn't had this type of, been in this position to get this close to a championship in, what, 30 years.
9:54So it's like, come on, the city's going to be off the chain. And obviously the energy in that building and the six-man that those guys feel when they're on the floor is palpable. You can feel it on TV, but now it changes. That's where all of your role players, they tend to play better at home when they have that type of support. Now they have to go on the road and do those same things. And I think like you look at Cleveland and what they were able to like, I think the same shots that Evan Mobley gets tonight, he probably knocks down. You know, he's capable of making those shots. And now when you're in the comfort, you slept in your own bed last night.
10:30You kind of have your same routine. You're not on the road. It plays a part into your comfort level when you're out on the floor. So I think it's, you know, they need to, you know, really know, be ready for a fight. I think Cleveland, they've shown that they've been down before and they have, two star players that can explode on any given night. I think it's going to be a great game.
10:50Rich Eisen:Let's talk about you a little bit, if you don't mind, Jerry Stackhouse. Are you... I'll just walk through the front door. Are you in the mix for the Bulls gig? I'm in the mix. I'm going to interview for that. I'm actually going to interview for the Portland job as well. I'm actually interviewing for that tomorrow. It's an exciting time for me right now, Just being able to, obviously being with Steve and Golden State for the last two years, that was great. Now it's just an opportunity to try to get my own situation. Obviously, Vanderbilt is something that kind of hangs over me because it didn't have the success that people thought that we had, but we actually did.
11:31I think when you look deep into when I took that job, when I took the Vanderbilt job, it was more of a rebuild. It was a totally different time than it is right now. NIL was not at the forefront of everything. The transfer portal wasn't at the forefront. You know, guys that I took over team that we had to go get a brand new roster, and the guys we brought in had to sit out a year. So it was still back in that era. Every year we improved. We made two NITs, finished fourth in the SEC in my fourth year, and then we had a down year that last year. We didn't make five years of not making the tournament.
12:09They decided to make a change. But still, I think people were able to see, you know, the growth and especially on the development side. And I think that's why I'm still able to get these opportunities here to look, you know, to these young teams of Portland, Chicago, to the development as well as the understanding of how to teach the game of basketball to these guys and relate to them. Like, I mean, it's this Generation Z is definitely, you know, they're different than where we were and kind of how we approach. not in a bad way, but just having to be able to kind of negotiate with them and have them have a better understanding of what you want to get accomplished.
12:48But I do think that I relate well to that, and I would be a good fit for these situations. So hopefully these interviews go well and I get an opportunity to kind of lead my own ship.
12:58Rich Eisen:What do you like about coaching? What do you like about it that you want to keep? I like the teaching, honestly. I mean, obviously it's the closest thing that I get to who I am at heart as their competitor. As a basketball competitor now, when the ball stopped bouncing, now you try to find a way, and that's what I know. Obviously, I go all the way back to Dean Smith. I still feel like his principles of what he taught me when I was in North Carolina still resonate through and through with how I want to teach the game and how I want the game to be played, playing smart, playing it selfishly, and competing at a really high level.
13:36So I think that's what I bring. I play for some really good coaches. I mean, Rick Carlisle stands out to mind. Avery Johnson. So I just feel like I've learned from some of the best, and I want an opportunity to show these guys what it takes to get there and improve and be great men. I mean, that was a part of what I was doing. I called, you know, at Vanderbilt, I call guys that very, you know, that in-between stage of high school and pros to developing men. So I think I take a lot of pride in that and being able to help guys. I sat in every seat from a number three pick in the draft to in my 18th year.
14:19I was a guy that was the 15th man that was there more for locker room support. But I still got out there and played and showed that you could still play at a high level. So I think I can relate to these guys from whether it's the star player or it's a guy that doesn't feel like he's getting enough minutes as the eighth man and being able to kind of navigate and grow, help them grow their journey and their path. I think I'm built for that.
14:45Rich Eisen:Well, do you ever in your coaching at any point in time, catch yourself and go, wow, that sounded like Dean Smith? Has that ever happened at any point? Man, yeah, I do catch myself. Not only Dean Smith, I found my dad doing that a lot with my dad, too. Stuff that I didn't ever think that I would be saying to my own kids or to other young people. And it's like, you know, so I think those are definitely, that's definitely there. But I just think his approach and how he saw the game, it was ahead of his time, man, just like with the points for possession. It was always for us to, you know, we got knocked for not, you know, for Dean Smith holding myself, holding Michael Jordan back.
15:25Yeah. So, no, we were always one of the top teams as far as scoring because of the possessions. You know, the defense was – we took a lot of pride in the defense. We took a lot of pride in to crashing the offensive boards, trying to get second-chance opportunities, trying to get to the paint for layups and free throws. That's where you can make the difference when you're not, you know, having a great shooting night. But I think those same principles ring true in who I am. But at the same time, you know, the game changes. I still I'm still going to run secondary offense. You know, that's the Carolina basketball.
16:00But it has a little different variation to it now. Obviously, it has a little bit more five out. The big isn't going block to block now. He's on the on the perimeter at the top of the key making plays. So those are the subtle changes that you have to kind of change with the times. But at the same time, I think the purity of of basketball at its purest form still, relates to all those things that made those coaches from yesteryear great. So while we're on the subject of you playing at Carolina,
16:31Rich Eisen:what was it like to be around Rasheed Wallace in college, Jerry Stackhouse? Oh, man. It's still fun to be around Rasheed Wallace right now. But no, man, we're going to have a good time. You two on that picture there. Look at you two. Look at those. Everybody loved Sheed. I mean, the older players, the younger players, he had not a bad bonus. His body got along great with his teammates, but he would get a little excited with officials, even at practice at Carolina. Coach Guttridge would get him on the line, and we all running for Sheed, maybe getting a technical foul. He brought that to the NBA with him, but I'm telling anybody that knows Sheed knows that he's about the right thing.
17:18probably the most unselfish player that I've ever played with. I mean, we had to almost literally make him take shots sometimes. Man, we need you to go down on the block and be who you are because he's one of the top talents I've ever played with, and I've played with a lot of great talent.
17:35Rich Eisen:Well, when you were there in Carolina, did you ever connect with Jordan? Did he ever reach out to you? Was that not an avenue available? What was that like? Yeah, he came back to practice, you know, one time. I guess it's amazing. Like some of the stories that you hear about guys telling stories about when he came back and, you know, and play pickup games. And nobody remember it but them. But I do remember one time that Michael came back and we were it was a practice. I think it was in between. He was about to come back, make his comeback. And we were like, man, you know, he got out there and playing.
18:13And everybody said we played one on one. And we did play one on one. But we didn't keep a score. It was just like, man, we was just going back and forth. He was guarding. He was daring me to shoot at that time. My outside jumper wasn't that. He was pretty much daring me to shoot. But I'm not not taking the bait. I'm trying to drive past him and get to the basket anyway. But no, it was just those great moments. I mean, a lot of people make make a lot about our last interaction in Washington when, you know, I felt that I was kind of in the prime and he was at the end of his career. And, you know, but it's Michael Jordan.
18:48Michael Jordan, no matter who he's on the floor with, probably right now feels that he's the best player and the best option. So, I mean, I have, I take no offense to that, but it was just, it didn't work out. And it's finally, he brought me there. The year before it had Rip Hamilton, and he felt like I was further along in my development and he wanted to win. He wanted to win. That's just showed his competitiveness. competitiveness. That's, you know, obviously for me being in Detroit, we just got to the second round. I'm feeling like I'm, you know, the next level for us is getting to a conference finals and all of a sudden I'm in Washington.
19:19So it was a little, a little awkward there, but at the same time, you know, we made the best of, we had, you know, great moments. I'm telling you, no matter what transpired on the basketball court, we had a good time off the basketball court. You know, You go with Michael Jordan between playing a little poker and drinking some of the best wine the world has ever made. We had some some some great moments. So I never want to try to think that anything there deflects my reverence for Michael Jordan. To me, he's the GOAT. He's the best basketball player to ever wear a pair of shoes. And, you know, he's he's icon in the University of North Carolina.
20:02and obviously with the changes around there, a lot of things going on with the new coach hire like Mike Malone. I think that's a good hire. I did go on record and said I would have loved to have an opportunity to talk to that job. Larry Brown reached out to me. Larry Brown was like, Stacky, it's your time. She's like, you've done all the things to put yourself in position to do this and for whatever reason, it didn't happen that way. But I'm not despondent about it, disappointed, but I'm not despondent. but I know these things come around in the cycles again. But no doubt about it. I feel like I'm a pro coach, but that is still a dream job to be able to go back to your alma mater where you played and be able to lead the next generation of players.
20:47So it's still definitely in my heart, in my soul, something that I hope one day I may get a chance to do. But right now I'm focusing on at the pro level, which I feel that my schemes, my understanding of how the game bodes well at the system with professional talent.
21:07Rich Eisen:Well, Jerry, if you do make it to either of the spots that we mentioned and you become a head coach in the NBA, if I may, do me a favor. Can you, if you coach in the NBA, bring the Vanderbilt look to the sideline, please? yes please just choose any of them on the screen i'm not gonna put that stress on my staff but i would say if this happens yes every sunday that we have a game you're gonna see one of these looks my mom was a minister you know and that was one of our favorite time easter sunday she made sure she scraped up enough for us to make sure that we had a eastern suit so i'm gonna make i'm gonna honor her if I'm able to coach at that level wherever I'm at on Sundays I'm going to have on one of those looks so you can look forward to that again Jerry yes because I don't understand what I don't understand what happened to the NBA where everybody's dressed like they're in practice you know hopefully the pendulum swings back at some point it's not not there right now I think everybody's just comfortable to throw on the quarter tip but But it used to mean something to come to the game.
22:24You felt professional. I mean, even as players, and obviously that changed for whatever reason. The generations changed. But I do hope that that's something that can swing back of our coaches looking like professionals.
22:38Rich Eisen:It's another reason to root for you, Jerry Stackhouse. I want to see it. Thank you, Ray. And I will watch on a Sunday. This would be great. The Easter Sunday fit, Stack. That was everything as a kid. Right. to have that Easter Sunday fit from going to church and just off. Man, that was it. That was none of my layaway, man. That suit was put on in early January. I used to have mine on the bed. I got it on by Easter. Yes, sir. I love it. Let's do it. Jerry, thanks for the time. Greatly appreciate it. Thanks for having me. Let's stay in touch. We will do it. You got it. That's Jerry Stackhouse, the one and only, right here on the Rich Eisen Show.
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23:15Rich Eisen:It would be great to see him get one of those gigs. certainly in Chicago underneath Jordan's banners. That would be kind of wild for sure. But Jerry's one to root for right there. And that'll be a lot of fun. A lot of great conversation. So I appreciate Jerry Stackhouse stopping here on the program. Running a small business means every hire matters. A bad hire costs time and money, but the right one helps your business grow. And the challenge is finding that person without sorting through resumes. That's where LinkedIn Hiring Pro comes in. It screens candidates so you can focus on conversations with qualified talent.
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26:49Rich Eisen:What's up, Manny? Hello, gentlemen. How are we doing all? Hello, Chris. Hello, TJ. Hello, Rich. And I want to specifically say hello to Jay Selly. Hey, thanks, Manny. I heard a caller the other day. literally just throw him to the wolves, not even say hello to him. I know. I noticed that, too. We see you. We love you. Thanks, Manny. There you go. Well, Miss Risen, it's Friday, but I am really bummed about Kyle Busch yesterday. Unbelievable. I still look around on the websites, on the news. This is the part that sucks. No one knows what happened. The guy won the truck race last Friday for his 69th truck race two weekends ago he he had a bad sinus uh a headache that he asked for a doctor to be waiting from at the end of the race to to not having him there this friday it's just a major gut punch it's just it's unfathomable what happened it's haunting especially his last interview uh uh when he won the truck race saying that you never know when you're going to get your next one and that's that's what really stinks about it i mean nascar is a very tight tight uh can base and so forth but it just really stinks that he's not going to be there and it really stinks for the family especially brexman because he was racing to uh to be in his uh out of his dad's shadow man i appreciate you calling in and and and delivering those sentiments there from el paso you're a good man and uh and uh i think you've echoed what we've all said like we came in today just shaking our heads he's 40 he was 41 crazy the family and just a just days removed from winning Now, sir, I do have something else.
28:26Rich Eisen:Okay. With all due respect, Mr. Eisen, you need to be nicer to TJ. If anyone can help, Dave Letterman be a guest on the Rich Eisen Show. It's the all-knowing host of a no-contest wrestling, Mr. TJ Jefferson and O'Shea. They may have connections. Maybe Ms. Susie can help out with that department. I'm not sure. But also yesterday, sir, and I caught it. I caught what you said. You said Miss Suzy's going to be filling in while you go off to New York and come back empty-handed. Nah, no. That's not the rich-eyed that I know. That's not the rich-eyed that I love. I want you to go in there gangbuster style, clicking doors in.
29:06Rich Eisen:You're a Knicks fan. You should be on top of the world. You should be waving that gray shirt tarps off right now. That's it, buddy. If you don't win, that's BS. But that's fine. Here's what you do. You go up there, take that mic, Kanye style, and you just say to everybody, You hate us because you ain't us. And last thing I want to say, TJ. Write that down. Yes, sir. Your favorite luchador is Mass or Unmasked. I've been wanting to ask you that question for a while. Other than that, sir, that's all I got. I feel better. I still miss Kyle Busch. He made us a fan. He made us hate him. But he still made us make noise in the stands.
29:41Rich Eisen:And that's what you do, sir. You make us make noise. Good, bad. As long as we make noise, we're all together in this. I love you guys. Have a good Friday. Be safe. Be kind. Let's watch some sports, everybody. All right, man. Brackham, man. You know, pass him. Great job, man. Well done right there. Mil Mascaris, to answer your question, Manny. Probably my favorite. Okay. Outside of Ray Mysterio. Very good. Very good. Now I won't come back empty. I've got this really great rolling bag. We don't want a rolling bag, Rich. We expect gold. I want a rolling bag with a gold trophy in it. Thank you. You know what I mean?
30:13Rich Eisen:Thank you. Because a win for you, like I said, is a win for all of us. We're on the subject of what's likely and what's not. It's a Friday of what's more likely. What? What's more likely. Never say never, but never. It's time for what's more likely presented by Pella Windows and Doors. What do you have over there, Chris Brock? Is it more likely you win the Emmy or Susie stops shaming you for eating donuts? What else you got over there? What else you want to know? Hey, guys. Happy Friday. Great to see you. What up, Gene? Matthew Stafford. He's back. Two more years at least? I said two years at least.
30:52Rich Eisen:What was more likely to be the Rams starting quarterback in 2028? Matthew Stafford or Ty Simpson? I'd go Ty Simpson there. Two and done for Matt. I'm not going to put anything past him, but at some point you drafted him in the first round and that's why he didn't want to have a clock put on him. Plans change. Yes. Matthew Stafford does, at the end of the day, have it in his control as to how long he's going to keep playing football. Bill drafted Jimmy G. As the starting quarterback of the Los Angeles Rams. Brady had him traded. If he has the year this year and next year that the Rams hope he can have, and he puts trophies in the case and he wants to still keep playing, and he, you know, I mean, there's a reason why he's so damn good.
31:45Rich Eisen:is the longevity and the connection to the coach and the ability to win with the roster that's currently constructed. But at the end of the day, 2028, I mean, this is a guy. The footage came out, remember, after they lost the NFC Championship game of him saying goodnight to his daughters, his little babies? He's coaching them up. He might just say, you know what? 105 million more, playing at age 40. It's time to go, you know, be a dad. it's entirely possible and Ty Simpson might be ready so if you're talking about what is more likely I would go with Ty Simpson in 2028 you would disagree Chris I don't know actually okay very good I'm asking the questions I got it what is more likely I gave you the answer it'll be Ty Simpson I still can't get over Todd Monken just wondering Miles like there would be another Garrett have I not been had a face-to-face conversation with him.
32:43Rich Eisen:So is it more likely Miles Garrett gets traded, Micah style, or he wins Defensive Player of the Year again in 2026? For Cleveland? Yes. Yeah, I'll go for Cleveland. Just sitting here right now, I'll just say that.
33:03Rich Eisen:But the first part of this is still possible. Right? Yeah, man. I think it feels that way still. Yeah. It's Memorial Day and he hasn't met the head coach. I got it. But it's still spring. Spring is springing. Summer's coming. You know what I mean? Solstice hasn't hit yet. But that was Crosby still. I would. I would. I'd go with the latter. You're asking me what's more likely Friday before Memorial Day. I'll say he's going to win defensive player of the year again for Cleveland. What else you got, Chris? Man. Keeping an eye on the Raiders, Jay Feli. Mendoza looks good. A lot of chatter. Is it more likely to be the higher number?
33:46Rich Eisen:Undefeated NFL teams heading into November or Raiders starting quarterbacks at that point? Oh, I'll go Raiders starting quarterbacks at that point. Do you think somebody's going to be 8-0, 9-0 in this National Football League? You think that's what you think? Weren't the Cardinals 9-0 like three years ago? Okay. I understand. But this is, again, what's more likely. Let me get this correct here. Week 8 is when November hits. November 1st is the Sunday of week 8 is November 1st. So someone would have to be 7-0 going into that. Yeah, why not? I'll go Raiders starting quarterbacks. Is that number 1 or 2?
34:32Rich Eisen:See, now that's the question you used to ask Cage, not me on live television and radio. Oh, you mean one or two stars? I'm sorry. Is this thing on? Hello. What? Just tell me, was it number one or number two? Chris, how dare you? One starter, Chris. Interesting. One starter. Interesting. Now you're going to ask me who that starter is? Interesting. Move on. Where's the toilets drop? Just keep playing music. Toilet! Toilets. This seemingly has been AFC North week on the Rich Eisen Show. Who's going to win the AFC North this year, Steelers or Bengals? More likely than not. I'm going with Joey B. Healthy.
35:19Rich Eisen:Oh, yeah, man. Most talented roster he's had in a while. Sexy, sexy dexy in the middle of that defensive line. You know? Let's go. We're going to win games and we're going to win the Super Bowl. I saw Florio. A lot of games. Florio had a piece. You know, you're just learning these waters, Rich. You're learning how to swim in them. But they have odds for every game of the year so far. Okay. Future odds. The Bengals are favored in 15 out of 17 games. Dude, I understand why. Betters are loving the Bengals right now. I hear you. Last time there was a Super Bowl in SoFi Stadium, and you played in it for the AFC.
35:56Rich Eisen:Go bird. What else, Chris? Speaking of Super Bowls and AFCs, a lot of birthdays this week. Josh Allen had a birthday. Patrick Mahomes is going to be 31 during the season. Joe Burrow is going to turn 30 during the season. Lamar is going to turn 30 this season. Oh, who's going to be the best quarterback under the age of 30? More likely to be the AFC Super Bowl 61 quarterback. Allen, Mahomes, Burrow, Lamar, or the field?
36:25Rich Eisen:So Drake May is not in this mix here, huh? He's in the field. I mean, okay, yeah, he's in the field. Drake May is in the field. All I hear are these are the four best quarterbacks. Who else is in the field? Bo Nix is in the field. Bo Nix is in the field. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Trevor Lawrence is in the field. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Daniel Jones is in the field. Shador Daniel Jones. Rodgers is in the field. Rodgers is in the field, man. Hmm. I'll take the quartet. I'll take the quartet. Although I'm toying with the idea of putting the Chargers and the Rams in the Super Bowl together in Super Bowl 60.
36:58Rich Eisen:Really? Yeah, yeah. I don't hate that idea. That was my top two teams in my way, way, way, way too soon. All right. All right. What else? All right. A few more now. Let's get to some of the other sports. Game three in San Antonio tonight. More likely to be the bigger total in San Antonio. Hartenstein fouls or Wemby blocks? Good one, Chris. I'll go Wemby blocks. Is that five? No, I think it's going to be block seven. Okay. You think Ardenstein fouls out? By the third quarter.
37:41Rich Eisen:If he's going to be that handsy. If he's going to be that handsy. By the third quarter. Man, that DVD of the cut-up they must have sent the league yesterday. Oh, my God. Did they send it to music? It's like Thriller. That's eight minutes long. What else is over there, Chris? How about this one? Is it more likely that both OKC and the both series go seven games or none of them do? Oh, that's a weird. And it's more likely neither of them do. I don't think Nick's Cavs go seven. I think that you were just sitting here an hour ago telling us that the Cavs came back to too much in the ether for me to like without looking for a trap door.
38:28Rich Eisen:You're talking too much, man. You never shut up. He's like the independent network news on Channel 9.
38:39Rich Eisen:Yeah, Knicks and Cavs don't go, so I'll go neither of them do. Okay, great. Neither do. But I think Spurs and Thunder go seven. Very well. Down to the final possession. Could you imagine? Wouldn't it be great? And then Wemby's got the ball at 34. Yeah. It just shoots it from half court. Last one, guys. More likely to happen first. Otani gives up a run, or I backtrack on my stance that he should stop pitching. Otani gives up a run. You're not giving that up. You're never giving that up. You've never given it up. You've said it over and over again. You did it for the bit on Overreaction Monday on a Tuesday, but it was a big-ass germ of truth at the center of that, like a Tootsie Roll pop, okay?
39:21Rich Eisen:It's taken three bites to get to the center. We've taken two shots at you. A one? You're not backing off. You're totally not backing off. You will always say you should never do both. You will always say it. But, oh, man, you'll give up a run. You're never giving up that ghost. Neither are we because he's just so awesome. You barked up the wrong tree. You chose the wrong guy. Chose the wrong guy. Right. Honestly, if you could, TJ Jefferson. Yes, sir. You could name the top five athletes you should never doubt. Okay. Okay. Never say, you never say never about this guy. Is Otani one? Oh. Right now?
40:02Rich Eisen:If he's not one, he's two. Current active. Active. Current active athlete, any sport. Top five athletes you should never doubt. You should never put it into existence. I don't think they should do that. Otani's number one. Yeah, if he ain't. Number one. Yeah. Good luck. Again, you're welcome for inspiring him. What's more likely is brought to you by Pella Windows and Doors. When it comes to your home, Pella windows and doors always have the winning game plan. That's why your neighbors trust them. Visit Pella.com slash Eisen. When we come back, I heard something from Jackson Dart. I've been waiting to hear.
40:38Rich Eisen:A word? He has said it. It's about time where I almost went full Izzo on you. Coming up next. It's about that. The Rich Eisen Show, the podcast.
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42:17Rich Eisen:Because when you're hauling kids, gear, snacks, and backpacks, space matters, and so does comfort. The all-new Hyundai Palisade Hybrid. Visit HyundaiUSA.com or call 562-314-4603 for details. Listen, Jackson Dart, highly talented young quarterback of the New York Giants. He's got a knack for winning. Remember that? They started him last year. Took out Russ, put in Jackson Dart, and all he did was beat a Chargers team that was unbeaten at the time. That was a whoa moment. Yep. Whoa. The kid's got some moxies. He's got some grit. He's got some legs. He's got some arms. And then him and Scataboo. Scataboo?
43:02Rich Eisen:Started hooking up like Tango and Cash. A knack for winning, though? He does have a knack. He has four wins. He's got a knack for winning football. How about that? He's got a knack. Listen to this Cowboy fan over there. Can't even fathom the Giants have a quarterback that can win football games and is good at it. I'm just giving you stats. All I'm saying, though, is I've been saying it over and over and over again. You've got to be the quarterback of big blue football, not the big blue tent. You can't win games from inside the tent. That's true. You've got to slide. You've got to know when to get out of bounds.
43:41Rich Eisen:every single time he would do it. And you'd hear him say, I'm going to keep doing it. And then the Patriots, the Patriots blew him up. What was that? Christian Ellis who blew him up on the sidelines? Yes, sir. He kept on tiptoeing down the sidelines. Just get out of bounds on a Thursday night. What are you doing? Lit up. And then the hard knocks, the NFC East hard knocks, picked up one of the commander's coaches saying, we know he's going to put himself at risk. Right. And then he just, every time, he's like, I'm a young guy. I've known how to get this way. I got here. He's by playing that style of football.
44:19Rich Eisen:And I'm like, no. Yeah, that may be the reason why you got there. You got here. But if you want to stay here, you got to figure out where the gray area is. Or that big-ass white stripe. That's your friend. Get to it. Get to it. so he was asked on thursday he's asked about the philosophy that he's got coming into this season on this front and you tell me if somebody's gotten to him that was one of like our first meetings um you know with coach callahan you know just pulling up my tape and you know just going over situationally like you know is it worth the risk here in this situation and you know that's what we talk about a ton is just situationally you know um you know just being smart um you know coach Giro talked about it today you know it's important for the quarterback to make sure that you know how he's feeling one play that he's going to feel you know that same way the next play um and then at the same time you know just having the experience last year of sitting out two games and I hadn't done that in my career so um you know I just hated that time of not being out there with my teammates so i i obviously understand the most important thing is to be out there so uh you just grow and learn from things um and yeah i think i'm gonna do a good job at this for sure yes yes yes jackson dart yes brian callahan the quarterbacks coach formerly the hc of the tennessee tanks quarterbacks coach passing game coordinator he's already in line for assistant coach of the year.
46:05Rich Eisen:Any of them who sat him down. That's the guy. That's all we want to hear, Jackson. That's it. Yes. Yes. Correct. It sucked sitting out. There's an idea of how to figure out. I'll put the pedal to the metal here, and I'll take my foot off the gas there, and I'll get my ass out of bounds when it's necessary. Yes. John Harbaugh bringing it to the Giants. Oh, yes, this is what we're talking about. John Harbaugh talking about the Jackson Dart leadership qualities. It's a hard question to answer just because, you know, what's his leadership style? I just think he's probably the best way I could say he's genuine, probably.
46:55Rich Eisen:You know, he's just himself. He is who he is. You know, he wants every play. The thing I've noticed about him is he wants every play to be perfect and every play to be successful. It's probably a good place to start. Ultra-competitive guy. And if it doesn't go right, he's not happy, you know. And he'll get to the next play. But I've seen him make a bunch of plays. He's enthusiastic. He's charismatic. The guys love him. But this dude works. He works at it. And he wants to be really – he wants to be great. So, as a coach, I appreciate that. Oh, Giants fans are out of their minds right now, probably.
47:30Rich Eisen:This is what we're talking about. All of it. Every last bit of it. Whatever. TJ, I'm sorry. I'm sorry if the Giants are beginning to get it right, sir. I got to play this role. With all due respect to Dayball, who, by the way, won Coach of the Year with Daniel Jones for the Giants, right? I get it, but this is what we're talking about. They got through to the kid. You can still play like Jackson Dart and still be a new Jackson Dart. It's called maturing. It's called getting better. It's called here we go, Giants. So excited for the big blue fans. I've been waiting to hear that from the kid. Hour three coming up.
48:19Rich Eisen:The Rich Eisen Show podcast. This is what everyone's talking about. Everything's on the table. This is what champions come to take. This is what everyone came to see. And the slam! No do-overs. No second chances. No more Mr. Nice Guy. This is winner take all. And it's all happening now on the home of the NBA Finals. Don't miss it. June 3rd on ABC and the ESPN app.
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Rich reacts to New York Giants QB Jaxson Dart saying he’s willing to run less next season in order to make less trips to the blue tent on the sideline.
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