Hour 3: 49ers’ Brutal Travel Schedule, plus ESPN’s Dave McMenamin Talks LeBron & Lakers’ Next Steps

13 May 2026 · 47 min · 18 chapters

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In short

The Rich Eisen Show’s “Hour 3” discusses the San Francisco 49ers’ brutal 2025 International Series travel (Melbourne, Australia then Mexico City) including total air miles, then pivots to ESPN’s Dave McMenamin analyzing the ongoing LeBron James–Lakers tension and the team’s offseason/next-step plans.

Guest backgrounds

Dave McMenamin is an ESPN NBA reporter who covers the Lakers and has an ESPN.com story “burning up the NBA community.” (Earlier in the hour, Ramona Shelburne also appeared, but this segment’s main guest is McMenamin.)

Key claims

LeBron’s walkout/ice-on-knees moment is tied to an eight-year buildup of respect issues, not to JJ Redick. Lakers must give LeBron time to decompress, then negotiate a “number and a why” (market value plus rationale). LeBron likely returns; roster decisions and contract talks are expected around the draft.

Notable examples

49ers air miles cited as 38,105 (most among teams). Lakers’ potential core includes LeBron, Austin Reaves, and Luka Doncic; other names discussed include Rui Hachimura, DeAndre Ayton, Marcus Smart, and Jackson Hayes.

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Discussion on NBA Drama

0:30 to 1:32

Rich discusses current NBA drama and mentions notable guests.

“Victor Wendman Yama, windmill right hand jam.”

Listener Call: Power Rankings

1:32 to 3:18

A caller shares thoughts on NFL power rankings and the Niners' travel schedule.

“We had a great chat with Ramona last hour about the Lakers as well as the WNBA, the Giannis trade market.”

International Series Travel Impact

3:18 to 5:24

Rich discusses the travel schedule of the 49ers for international games.

“No, listen, you willingly gave up a home date in Santa Clara to go to perform in Mexico City.”

Air Miles Discussion

5:24 to 6:21

The segment where Rich reveals the staggering air miles the 49ers will travel.

“This is making the rounds today with the International Series games out there and the Jaguars play too, but they're right there in London.”

Top 5 Shows for 49ers' Travel

6:21 to 7:27

Rich shares a humorous list of shows and movies for the 49ers to binge while traveling.

“So, do we have a total for all the teams?”

Classic Movies for 49ers Fans

7:27 to 11:35

Rich discusses classic movies that resonate with the 49ers and their journey.

“We just learned here in Los Angeles that take care of your stars, right?”

Introducing Upcoming Guests

11:35 to 13:40

Rich introduces upcoming guests for the show and talks about their potential discussions.

“Wait, can we go over this cast real quick?”

Listener Call: Lakers Situation

13:40 to 14:00

A caller provides insights into the Lakers' current situation and dynamics.

“Let's go to Daniel in Long Beach, California, before we take a break and bring out Dave McMenamin.”

Analyzing the Lakers' Dynamics

14:00 to 17:40

Explore the complexities of the Lakers' current situation involving LeBron and management.

“We'll chop it up with him about wrestling and stand up.”

Dave McMenamin on LeBron's Future

19:40 to 28:01

Dave McMenamin shares insights on LeBron's potential future with the Lakers.

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Analyzing Rui and DeAndre's Future

28:01 to 29:18

Discussion on player performance and future prospects in the NBA.

“was two nights later in Oklahoma City, 47-point loss with two massive injuries that reverberated into the playoffs, one all the way into the offseason with Luka.”

LeBron's Retirement Speculations

29:19 to 31:27

Exploration of LeBron's potential retirement plans and the Lakers' response.

“Marcus Smart had a really strong season for them.”

Building the Lakers' Championship Roster

31:28 to 33:11

Discussion on the Lakers' roster decisions and potential acquisitions.

“not want to he would just like what one night just stroll off and that's it just not give any Just keep the main thing the main thing and focus on the basketball at hand.”

The Future Blueprint for the Lakers

33:12 to 34:08

Insights on the Lakers' strategy for future seasons involving LeBron and others.

“I mean, I had someone, the Lakers tell me, after game three in L.A., they won that game.”

Personality Management in Sports

34:09 to 35:55

Discussion on the importance of management handling player personalities.

“and we want to honor him, and we want him.”

LeBron's Impact on the Lakers' Performance

35:56 to 37:47

Analysis of LeBron's influence on the Lakers' performance and future.

“One of his Showtime teammates has done a couple of radio interviews, Brian Scott, saying Lakers need to get rid of LeBron.”

Future of the Lakers and Trade Talks

37:48 to 40:05

Discussion on potential trades involving Giannis and the Lakers' future.

“This whole LeBron thing just reminds me of Aaron Rodgers and the Steelers.”

LeBron and Lakers' Future Conversations

42:24 to 46:04

Exploring potential conversations between Lakers management and players.

“I will call Magic Johnson and say, Magic, can you talk to LeBron?”
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0:00Rich Eisen:This is the Rich Eisen Show. Hey, everybody. Can't get enough of the Rich Eisen Show? You're in luck. You can find us everywhere. Watch us weekdays on Disney Plus from noon to 3 Eastern. Miss the show? We've got a podcast so you can listen anytime. But here's the best part. Our YouTube channel. Subscribe at youtube.com slash Rich Eisen Show and you'll never miss a moment. Now, on with the show. Hold up. This is the Rich Eisen Show. Victor Wendman Yama, windmill right hand jam. Live from the Rich Eisen Show studio in Los Angeles. Blocked, Wendman Yama blocked it on the closeout. Earlier on the show, ESPN NBA insider Ramona Shelburne.

0:48Coming up, ESPN NBA reporter Dave McMenamin. Plus, your phone calls, latest news, and more. And now, it's Rich Eisen.

1:01Rich Eisen:Wow, lots to discuss here on this program off of the last two hours. Ramona Shelburne just walked out of our studio. Dave McMiniman's about to walk in. A lot of drama going on down the street at the home of the Los Angeles Lakers. Our neighbors across the way. Our neighbors across the way in the other spot in El Segundo, California. The Los Angeles Chargers, they love this show because I had them second in my way, way, way too early power rankings that started the show two hours ago. Yeah, I did a power rankings today because I have nothing better to do with my time. Here on Disney +, the ESPN app, ESPN radio, and also Sirius XM channel 80.

1:36Rich Eisen:We had a great chat with Ramona last hour about the Lakers as well as the WNBA, the Giannis trade market. If you missed anything, there's our podcast all three hours. There's our Disney Plus page. You can hit the button to watch back anything that you might have missed every single day. 844-204-RICH is the number to dial on the program. Terzo and I all rise one of our longtime favorites. What's up, Terzo? How are you, sir? Doing well, Rich. What's up, fellas? What's going on? Terzo, what up, man? Hey, Rich. Back to yesterday's conversation. Creme brulee, top notch. I've been to several great restaurants all around, and I always judge a restaurant if they have a great creme brulee, man.

2:20Like one of my top desserts. You can't beat it. Like you said, when you get great vanilla bean, oh, my God.

2:27Rich Eisen:It's just fantastic. It's all about the beans, just like Mocha Joe's coffee. Terzo, it's all about the beans. What's on your mind? Exactly. Well, so, Rich, real quick, I got to go to your power rankings here. I do believe that the Niners are above both the Cowgirls and the Eagles. But I do got to say this about the international game, especially the one in Australia. You know, the reason I'm kind of upset about it, because either way that you cut it, we're losing a home game for that game. No matter what, we're losing a home game, whether it's in Santa Clara or there in SoFi. We're losing a home game.

3:11So that's kind of my issue there. A little upset that they have us going to Mexico City. Yeah, you lost two home games. You're right. That's just a lot of travel.

3:19Rich Eisen:Look at you. Look at you trolling Rams fans. Look at you, Troll and Rams fans. You lost two home games. Okay. No, listen, you willingly gave up a home date in Santa Clara to go to perform in Mexico City. But I think most teams are going to be asked to do that now. All teams are being asked to do that now. And everyone takes one for the team on that front. and then the team does, I do believe, see some form or fashion of a bump in a fan base that gets to see their team physically there in Mexico City. I think that's going to be a large contingent. I will push back and say that would be a heck of a home game for the 49ers in Mexico City.

4:09Yeah, I think that that's going to be great. I think that we have a ton of fans down in Mexico City. My only gripe is since we're going to Melbourne, I just didn't know that we really needed another one in Mexico City this year. I would have been fine if we did it next year. It just seemed like a lot of traveling for this Niner team that seems to always have injury issues, and so I'm always a little hesitant whenever we're having to do extra stuff out of the norm. But I guess get us away from the power station and we might be all right.

4:38Rich Eisen:Terzo in Iowa, thank you for the call. Greatly appreciate it. Appreciate you guys. You got it. There he goes. They did. So the International Series game, it starts in Melbourne, Australia, 49ers and Rams. And then it ends in Mexico City between the Vikings and the 49ers. Two trips abroad out of the country for the San Francisco 49ers. and they already, if you just take a look at their schedule and where they're flying this year, they're already going to be traveling a lot. And now you're going to make them go to Melbourne and Mexico City. We have the grand total. This is making the rounds today with the International Series games out there and the Jaguars play too, but they're right there in London.

5:34Rich Eisen:They stay in the same spot. The Vikings, if you put up the International Series game one more time, if you don't mind taking a look at it, the Vikings are going to Mexico City. But that's it. I mean, and they went to London last year. I'm just taking a look at the games. There's only one, two teams that are playing multiple International Series games. And it's Jacksonville and it's San Francisco. So this was made making the rounds. Did you see the grand total number of air miles, TJ Jefferson? I heard Chris mention it. Okay. Otherwise, I would ask you to price is right. Well, wait a minute. You mean for all the teams or just?

6:15Rich Eisen:No, just for the San Francisco 49. I think I heard him this morning say it was something. It's a lot. It's a lot. It's 38 ,105 air miles. That's a lot. That's a lot indeed. So, do we have a total for all the teams? We do, actually. Adam Schefter tweeted out a chart. The Cowboys are fourth. Yeah. A hair under 28 ,000 miles. Rams, 35 ,000. Texans, 28 ,000. So the Rams aren't too far off. Rams are not too far off. Okay. Well, with the 49ers having the most air miles coming, I've got a top five for them. We're trying to help them out here. top five tv shows and movies the 49ers should binge while traveling

7:11Rich Eisen:this is hilarious thank you very much wheels up everybody this is presented by hyundai it's fitting that this top five about traveling is presented by uh by hyundai everybody love it all right top five shows and well you could put the music up anyway if you want top five shows and movies the 49ers should binge while traveling. All right, number five. We just learned here in Los Angeles that take care of your stars, right? Take care of your stars. You're seeing this story with the Lakers that you never know when somebody might be feeling left out or feeling like you're not appreciating them, being taken for granted.

7:50Rich Eisen:You got to take care of your stars. I'm not saying that he's thinking thinking that he's being left out or being taken for granted, but you never know. So what would be better than having the 49ers binge watch the Culpo sisters? Right? Olivia and her sisters had a show back in 2022. One season, it's a reality show, binge watch it. Was Christian on it in 2022? I don't know. Didn't watch it at the time, but maybe I will. The Copo Sisters is my first time hearing it. It's a good watch. The 49ers. Hey, just watch it. Number four on the list. Another person that you're going to try and help out here, right?

8:38Rich Eisen:Okay. Why wouldn't you help out George Kittle? Wow. Why wouldn't you just say, hey, George, we see you? George today tweeted out the following. This is funny. At 4 a.m. this morning, as I laid in a deep slumber, I was called to action by my wife who had discovered a spider the size of a half dollar in the bathroom. Without hesitation, I arose to combat the intruder. Claire handed me the slant board I've been using for rehab, and I immediately knew the spider had no chance. It took but one attempt to strike down my opponent. I received hugs and kisses for my bravery and fell back asleep with confidence.

9:18Rich Eisen:Have a day, gentlemen, and then a spider emoji. by the way glad it was the the the board not the rich eyes and show pillow oh right it would have been your face is not what i expected mother the the spider yeah so in honor of of george why not binge the 1990 film arachnophobia perfect okay right we're timely perfect we're helping out Yeah. Remember that movie? 1990? I do. Nightmare Fuel. Yes. Yeah, right? It was not fun for people who had problems with spiders. I'm one of them. Okay. Are you really? Yeah, I hate spiders. Number three on the list. That's good. Let's just hit the whole quarterback room.

10:03Rich Eisen:And it's a classic. You know that movie that Paul Rudd would always, you know, troll Conan O 'Brien with when he showed up? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. About an alien trying to escape from NASA and he's befriended by a boy in a wheelchair. Funny movie. The 1988 hit. Mac and Me. Binge watch Mac and Me. I have to show this to Kay. Brock Purdy can give a speech at the front of the cabin. Let's binge it. Let's watch it. Let's spend some time. Mac and Me. Mac Jones. How great is this segment? Oh, this movie is great. That is weird looking. Number two on the list. What's the most famous movie about getting out of San Francisco?

10:46Rich Eisen:Oh. The 1979 hit, Clint Eastwood starring Escape from Alcatraz. Great movie. Okay. Great movie. Great movie, and then it'll lead to a debate afterwards if the prisoners survived. That's always a debate. We always talk about it whenever we're in San Francisco with the kids. Seen Alcatraz? Did they survive it? The shark-infested waters? It's a great movie. Cold water. Escape from Alcatraz. And then number one, it's very simple. A 1962 film starring Gregory Peck. How the West was won. That's it. Look at all the stars in this film. A massive hit movie. How the West was won. San Francisco 49ers. There you go.

11:34Rich Eisen:There you go. I got that for you. All right. All right. We'll get one more. Wait, can we go over this cast real quick? Yeah, go for it. John Wayne, James Stewart, Henry Fonda. Oh, yeah. Debbie Reynolds. Hey, it just shows you, hey, our roster has stars. Wow. This movie has stars, and it's the same goal, to win the West. Win the West. Okay. See where I'm going on this? I see what you did there. And one more. One more, just in case Brandon Ayuk's on the team still. Uh-oh. There, put it up. In case, speed. Here we go. What? It's about going fast in California. Oh, I see. You know what I mean? I see what you mean.

12:12Rich Eisen:Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Okay. Picking up on it? I am. See what I'm putting down? I pick it up. What are you putting down? I don't know. Nick Bosa might be saying, let's watch Melania. Yep. It's a long flight. It's a long flight. A lot of good San Francisco movies. You know what? I almost went for Australia and Mexico, Mad Max and Desperado, a doubleheader. Right? Love that. Double feature. Pardon me. I went baseball on you right there. The Rock, Bullet, Mrs. Doubtfire. You can do that. Oh, wow. But they're getting away from San Francisco. I know, but they - They're leaving San Francisco. That's why I want to escape from Alcatraz.

12:56Rich Eisen:They're homesick, you know. But if you're going to Mexico, wouldn't you want to give them something to - To see once they get there so they can get ready for, you know, again, Mad Max, probably not the film I should - But I also don't want to go - Crocodile Dundee. Yeah. That's a slow hanging fruit. But they made like three of those. But Crocodile Dundee was leaving Australia. He's the fish out of water in New York. Didn't Hugh Jackman do a movie called Australia? Look it up. Where does Deadpool live? That's my go-to. What do you mean? Yeah, 2008, Australia. Okay. Hugh Jackman and Nicole Kidman.

13:29Rich Eisen:Very good. Okay. My top five is brought to you by the all-new Hyundai Palisade Hybrid. Learn how it makes everyday epic at HyundaiUSA.com. Let's go to Daniel in Long Beach, California, before we take a break and bring out Dave McMenamin. What's up, Daniel? Daniel, my brother. What's up? Hey, first off, TJ, love the pod. Just want to give a shout out. Hey! Appreciate you, baby. Who's on later? Who's on later? Well, we have comedian Brad Williams. Oh! Nice. He's going to stop by. Is he coming here? He's coming here. He'll be in the studio. We'll chop it up with him about wrestling and stand up. Is O'Shea coming?

14:05Rich Eisen:O'Shea, he's on his way. Oh! O'Shea's on his way. Let me tweet him. He's still with Ariel. They're posting a lot of clips. That's great. Good for him. I'm glad that he's giving somebody else some pop. Well, the thing is, he will. He could come here and talk about what's going on with the Lakers looking like a fire. Or the Dodgers losing four in a row. But no, he doesn't want any of that smoke. He will mention you. He will mention this show. He will mention those. That I have no doubt. So, yeah, he'll do a good job of getting the word out. I'm sorry, Daniel. I didn't mean to side-launch you here.

14:32Rich Eisen:What's on your mind? Obviously, I know what's going on. So, look, this whole situation, man. And I get it. We all like to choose sides and everything. But at this point, I just feel like the friend who's just in the middle of a toxic relationship between his two best friends. And it's like both sides think either one is wrong. But you got to look at the whole context of this whole thing. From the beginning, this has honestly just been kind of not normal, right? What? First off, what are we talking about? The whole situation with LeBron and the Lakers. Those are your two friends that you feel like you're in the middle of?

15:04Yeah. I mean, let's start off with the point. Magic's the one who recruited LeBron, right? And so if I'm LeBron, I'm thinking, okay, well, during this whole situation, if I don't want to deal with the organization, deal with Rob, there's a legend here that's going to take maybe my side. Magic Leaves out of nowhere, right? So that's already something that from the beginning was, okay, this isn't the situation we thought it was. Then Lakers feel like we've got to do something. We've got to do something to make sure that we're winning because the truth was the young kids that we had drafted weren't panning out.

15:31So we go get AD. Great. We win a championship, and even though it was in the bubble, it was great. But one thing about that bubble shit a lot of people forget, Bron was great during that run, but that was AD's run. That was the year he really showcased himself as being the star the Lakers needed to be next to Bron. And if you ask any Lakers fan, the one moment we remember from that bubble the most is the buzzer beater. The buzzer beater that AD hit similar to the way Kobe would do all the time. And so as we keep going on, it hasn't paned out after that year, right? It's just the reality of it.

16:02The best thing we got was what? The Western Conference Finals with Darvin Hamm? And so I just feel like both sides have been trying to do different things to try to appease each other. Lakers try to build a team. Doesn't work. All right, well, LeBron, what do you want to do? Let's go get Russ. Doesn't work. And the reality is it hasn't worked out for both sides. We haven't been getting to the finals. We haven't been winning. And so now it's a whole thing of you're not appreciating me. Yes, we are. No, you're not. And it gets to a point where it's like each side is just not getting what they want from this.

16:31And so I think the biggest thing you guys talked about, Ramona, is the truth, is that that Luka deal is basically what started this fraction that is now the biggest thing we're talking about, which is, you know, what's going to happen next. When in reality, the thing we should be talking about is who are we going to sign next year? Because there's a lot of people on our team that still are not on contract, including Rui. That was a big, big part of this run we had that was short, but it was still a run we had in the playoffs. And so I just feel like we've gotten to a point where now it's like either shut up and make up or just end it.

17:06Rich Eisen:Daniel in Long Beach, California, right there. That's like that Seinfeld line. Just take one dip and end it. They're double dipping with Luka and LeBron. Just take one chip and end it. End it. He has a good point about magic. I've been reading someone else's story about that. Like that's who we expected to deal with. But you know who wasn't there? Let's bring out Dave McMenamin. He's got a lot of answers for Daniel and so much more. 844-204-RICH also being the number to dial here on the Rich Eisen Show. Running a small business means every hire matters. A bad hire, well, that costs time and money, but the right one helps your business grow.

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19:56Rich Eisen:And he walked right out. Walks out. By the way, Dave McMenamin here on the Rich Eisen Show talking about his piece that's on ESPN.com that's kind of burning up the entire NBA community and certainly here in Los Angeles, California, live on the Rich Eisen Show. So LeBron James walked out with bags of ice on his knees? or took those off and left? Do we know that? No, no, no. I mean, I saw it with my own two eyes. The bags of ice are still on his knees. And so this is like... He's just out. So to be clear, this isn't because he doesn't think J.J. Redick is deserving of a moment. It's not about that at all.

20:32Yes. He has a great relationship with J.J. Redick.

20:34Rich Eisen:And it was a beautiful moment. The video of his children saying, congratulations, Dad. You know, beautiful moment. It was taken by LeBron to be another example of the Lakers not appreciating him in everything that he does. Where does that come from? I think it's from an eight-year relationship that has had a lot of stuff build up. Now, I asked LeBron after game four against the Thunder. He's making the same route out of the arena. This time he's wearing regular clothes. He's wearing the same clothes he arrived in. Right, right. and I said is there in order for you to come back to play for the Lakers I understand you're going to have to figure out whether you want to play I understand you're going to have to figure both sides will have to figure out the money but that aside is there any static that needs to be cleared up in order for this to move forward and he said there's no static from me and so I saw that that was one of the second to last quotes of your piece so I would say that perhaps that means that even though he had this moment that was a real moment of indignation is what he felt yeah it's not something he can't get over in order to keep playing for the lakers right but the lakers you know you're dealing with one of the best players of all time where he goes on the list that's up for debate but ninth if you saw first take the other day but okay keep going yeah yeah and also someone who has now worked for you for eight years been the face of the franchise delivered a championship all of those things are you ever going to make the guy feel like you want him i mean 50 million bucks he's the highest paid guy on the team so that's what the money is for are you're don draper is that how you work with john ham yeah that's what the money is for like that is in many ways in many metrics in in sports for sure the biggest respect you can get is is your paycheck that's number one i understand um is any of this born out of the fact is how he found out about the luka trade uh i haven't been told that specifically okay um you know lebron has on the record said that of course if that trade comes across your desk you make it right he understands it as close as he is with Anthony Davis and is to this day no I don't really think it's more about once the trade occurred the way the Lakers went about their business would it have been in any way shape or form possible if you could wave a wand that not only do they have multiple game balls but Rob Palenka goes to LeBron and says hey congrats on tonight that's pretty cool and part of this to get to this milestone on a night like tonight for JJ is because of what you've done over the last few weeks hold on a minute and we've got some videos from his kids to give him this game ball how would it be if you gave him the game ball that sounds like a wonderful what if you LeBron, you take center stage here and you give him the game ball.

23:51Rich Eisen:I think it might mean a lot to him. It might mean a lot to the group. But they don't have that relationship, clearly. It doesn't seem to be that they do. And I think that would be a wonderful idea, right? Sounds like that's management. That's how you manage a room. You generally manage. Does Rob not have this chip? Does he not care? I mean, to be putting a fine point on it. I mean, because how does something like this happen? You know? It seems like a self-inflicted wound. It seems like it. Or you could say, hey, LeBron, you've got a million accolades. What do you care? I understand. Yeah, I was talking to Ramona Shelburne.

24:30I was on earlier. Yeah, she was just saying that. And we were just talking in the green room. And she made the point to me. Like, well, can they know which are the accolades that matter and which don't? I'm like, I don't know. Maybe. Maybe, but this one, the most wins in all time, that seems to be like one that you might want to underline.

24:51Rich Eisen:And you get it against the Cavs. And against the Cavs. Where you have the team of your youth and the one you started for. All right, so this is good drama. It's great. Definitely conversations to be had on a day like today. Dave McMenamin here on the Rich Eisen Show. What happens now? Like, what's the orders of business here for Rob Palenka and the Lakers since you say that whatever did happen on that night is something that can be bridged for LeBron to still play here? Well, number one is the Lakers are going to give LeBron the time that he needs to decompress from the season. And I've heard where Rob said that yesterday.

25:34And determine whether he wants to play or not. Yes. my inclination and also kind of the way he managed the other night is that he will want to come back and play i mean the the tone that lebron was giving after game four against okc was not you just saw me play my last nba basketball i didn't get that sense either so so that part okay let's assume now we can't assume because you got to allow him to have his process but like our hunch would be that he's going to come back and then you have to figure out it's not necessarily just the numbers. The number matters. The number matters based on the value that he brings.

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26:11It also matters on a respect level. But also, as I reported, an agent tell me, and this is someone who has had clients on the Lakers in the last decade, does not represent LeBron James, but said, all right, you've got to give LeBron James a number, and you've got to give him a why behind the number. And if that number is under market value, then you got to say, we want you to take X because we plan to do Y with those extra dollars. And like if for a guy who claims to be about winning and says that that is something that continues to fuel him, that should fall on a receptive ear. And I think you look back to the negotiations in 2024.

26:56LeBron James took a pay cut. It was minor, but he did take a pay cut to help the Lakers get out of the second apron restrictions. And he would have taken a larger pay cut had the Lakers been able to convince someone like a James Harden, Jonas Valanciunas, or Klay Thompson at the time to take the money that he would have left on the table. So who's on the list of the player? That's a great question. I don't know that yet. And I didn't know about, you know, Jonas and James and Klay until much further along in the conversation. And again, these things were, what, May 13th or something like that. These are conversations that probably should happen around the draft in late June.

27:36Rich Eisen:Well, Austin Reeves is one of them, right? Oh, LeBron loves playing with Austin Reeves. Right, and you could see that. Yeah. You could see that. And obviously, Luke is going to be there. And if I'm the Lakers, I want to see these three guys together. Like, they had it worked. Like, 16-2? 16-2. And they were beating good teams. They were beating the Knicks when the Knicks were rolling. came in on an eight-game winning streak. I honestly thought this was it. I really thought this was it. Sitting here, I didn't see what you pointed out was two nights later in Oklahoma City, 47-point loss with two massive injuries that reverberated into the playoffs, one all the way into the offseason with Luka.

28:13Rich Eisen:But I would think, would Rui be on the list too? Rui's an interesting one. He made$18 million this year. He was great. He was so consistent in the playoffs. He's now the best, most accurate three-point shooter in playoffs history. That's wild. That's incredible, right? Yes. When you start looking at the money, though, that's going to be an interesting one because you're going to need to re-sign Jackson Hayes, you'd think. He's been now with the team for three years. He's on the Slovenian national team. How about that? That's a pretty good relationship with Luka Doncic. Right. And look what he did in Game 4 against the Thunder.

28:57He was great. He was terrific. Yeah. Is DeAndre Ayton history? So the interesting part about Ayton, he has a player option. Right. And we'll see what the market is for him. Obviously, we saw the way he performed against OKC. That left a lot to be desired.

29:11Rich Eisen:That's one way to put it. Another way to put it is if he has a player option, as I mentioned the other day, they'd call an Uber for him. Marcus Smart had a really strong season for them. I thought he did play well. He has a player option, but I would say he probably played his way into a new deal from the Lakers. We've had him on the show, Chris. He's great. I like him as a person. Like a good dude, would probably be a nice glue guy all around. Absolutely. He's seen a lot in this league. He has a lot of, some of the younger guys look up to him. He's a former defensive player of the year. He's a guy who brings a grit.

29:48But sometimes he plays with so much confidence that he takes shots you'd probably prefer someone else taking. But that's kind of like you take the good with the bad. I actually had someone describe Marcus Smart to me the same way Manny Ramirez was described when he was for the Red Sox. Manny being Manny, Marcus being Marcus. But you take him at the end of the day.

30:08Rich Eisen:Of course. So you obviously mentioned timing about the draft. but how did these are all trains that are running on on the saying you know at the same time here maybe different tracks obviously but how do you put this all together and and who's the one who decides um is genie still you know full thumb on the scale here new management because this is a lot of money we're talking about committing um a lot right and also you know genie knows um better than anybody about what it means to have somebody of LeBron's stature retire and the Lakers do the Lakers thing by rolling it out like you want to talk about respect I mean they will they will they will roll it out for him if that's what LeBron wants don't you think I mean right so we're not we're not totally sure whether I had a couple people close to LeBron suggest to me this year that you know I know other guys have done the retirement tour that might not be what LeBron once now really i'll believe it when i see it quite frankly but i the people who told me it would have the authority to to to know that that came right from lebron's mouth so he would not so whoever might have told you this okay not asking to source it um indicated that he might not want to he would just like what one night just stroll off and that's it just not give any Just keep the main thing the main thing and focus on the basketball at hand.

31:40Rich Eisen:It wouldn't be an announcement before the season that this is it. I'm done. Now, things could change. I'm just telling you that that was suggested to me this year. Now, I had Kobe Bryant tell me that straight from the horse's mouth in 2013. I did the first interview with him after the torn Achilles. And I asked him about, do you look at the end? He said, I don't want a retirement tour. Lo and behold, in 2016, he had one. He had a Nike commercial on the past night. Yeah, a beautiful, I love that commercial, by the way. I mean, actually, while we're on the subject matter, I took the different point of view.

32:11Rich Eisen:I just like the haters, all that stuff. To me, I wanted a lighter touch, but I understand, you know, where he was coming from. I was, I was like. But it's hard to like. Sort of like what Jordan, you know, said in his induction speech. He took the mask off, yeah. You know what I mean? like settling scores in a way, but that's for a different day. But that's what did fuel him, though. How do we get it all together, though? How do the Lakers put this all together, and who might be from outside the organization that they're interested in bringing in as a championship roster? Because everybody that we just mentioned, even if healthy, might not have gotten past that team that just boat raced them out because they are a wagon, and they are young, and they know exactly what they're doing, and they have exactly a sense of who they are.

33:02Rich Eisen:And they are great at it. Yeah. I mean, that's a tremendous team. Oh, my God. Austin Reeves, that's a great bleeping team. Yeah. That applies. Because they did all that without Jalen Williams, who was an all-star this year. Right. I mean, I had someone, the Lakers tell me, after game three in L.A., they won that game. And at the end of the game, they have like Aaron Wiggins on the court. They have Jared McCain. They have Kenrich Williams. I think maybe Isaiah Joe. and they were like, all those guys who are against our garbage time guys, because basically when the Lakers had waved the white flag, they could be playing our rotation.

33:40And it was their final five guys basically could be guys six through ten for the Lakers.

33:46Rich Eisen:And who's to stop them from finding the next A.J. Mitchell in this year's draft? Because it's crazy. So what is the Laker blueprint, do you believe? It involves LeBron? It does not involve LeBron? I mean, I think it should involve LeBron, and also it would be pretty disingenuous for Rob Palenka to have that press conference yesterday and say, LeBron's honored the game better than any guy in the history of the sport, and we want to honor him, and we want him. We would love to have him on our team. Once you put yourself out there that way, and then if you don't actually try to have him be on your team, that would seem a little wrong to me.

34:23Okay. So you have LeBron, you need Austin. Him, for sure, right? What's the number he's going to come at you think? 40? I mean, the maximum he could get is five years,$241 million. I don't think we're going to get to that number, but that is the maximum he could resign with the Lakers. I don't know what the number is. I really don't. I don't think you're looking at a significant pay raise, though, and I think if you're not starting the conversation in the 30s, clearly you're not in the right ballpark.

34:57Rich Eisen:Right. So, but who's the one who's going to convince everybody to get them all on the same page? You're willing to play with him. You're willing to play with him. You're willing to stay here under these conditions. You're willing to do it on the back condition. You're willing to take that much money. You're willing to take that much money. All right, let's all go. Like, who is that? You sound like someone like Jerry West, right? Like, yeah, where's Jerry West right now? You know, may he rest in peace. May he rest in peace. Yeah, I don't know. You might be pointing to something that the Lakers are missing right now from the organization.

35:30And, you know, they're trying to model themselves after the Dodgers. You know, Andrew Friedman, I believe, is someone who maybe can fill that role there. you know the the as part of this process as they're looking to build out their front office and bring an assistant general manager for pro personnel and assistant general manager for kind of analytics and draft prep and calorie uh salary cap maybe let's pay attention to like let's build out to have someone who can be magnanimous who can work with personalities

36:06Rich Eisen:by the way I'm serious right I mean it's not an absurd thought and great with personalities than him it's not an absurd thought and obviously he's very much involved with the Dodgers I haven't heard of anything of that like that happening since Mark Walter took over but you know yeah I mean I don't know if he's in the organization why wouldn't he be the one to start walking around and just delivering a message for the organization. Someone else in the organization. One of his Showtime teammates has done a couple of radio interviews, Brian Scott, saying Lakers need to get rid of LeBron.

36:48Rich Eisen:Okay. All right. I don't know, man. The guy I just saw in the playoffs, Degno said afterwards that he was a problem for them that made them better for going against How about that? He sharpened their iron. SGA said he was the top of their scouting report. All right. I mean, you're going to let – You watch that. It doesn't matter what that player's name is or how old that player is, you're going to let that player walk. And he does organize every part of his life to be able to give his best April 15th through however long it goes. Right. I mean, he is a different player in the playoffs in the best way possible.

37:33He was the best player for the Lakers these playoffs. He was the best player for the Lakers last playoffs when Luka was playing as well, if you watch those games.

37:43Rich Eisen:The drama has begun. LeBron is not the future of the Lakers. I get it. But he can't be the president? Is he done? Is he out of the league? This whole LeBron thing just reminds me of Aaron Rodgers and the Steelers. He's just holding them back from growing and going to the next level. Holding them back from what? They would have been out in the first round. So he's holding them back from beating the Rockets? No, their season ended when Luka got injured. But it didn't. It did. Once Luka got hurt, they were not winning the championship. But with Luka, they lost by 40 to the Thunder. They lost all the games they played against them in the regular season.

38:21So Luka's the magical cure to beat the Thunder? Again. They certainly weren't beating him without him. The analogy. At least Luka gives you a chance. The analogy that I think is. But Luka and no LeBron, all of a sudden you're beating the Thunder? There's a guy in Milwaukee who's very unhappy. I don't think he's coming to the Lakers.

38:40Rich Eisen:They don't have enough to give it to him. They don't have enough on their current roster to give for him, right? Well, it would have to be an Austin Reeves sign and trade to get the numbers right. They'll have draft picks available to trade this summer. Okay, so there is a path to Giannis. There is a path. I don't think it's a likely path, but there is a path to it. I like it. See the likeliness right there? It wasn't a likely path for Luka to end up in L.A., and it happened. Well, who the hell knew about that one coming? Luka and Giannis. That gets you more excited than LeBron James? It does for him.

39:12Really? Because Luka's— Yeah. Yeah, he does. Luka and LeBron, you think, is better than Luka and Giannis? Luka, LeBron, Austin Reeves next year, yeah. I like Luca and Giannis better.

39:23Rich Eisen:Is this what happened in Syracuse between the two? No, Dave and I, you know, we were just playing basketball. Okay. Yeah, that's right. Okay, very good. Great to see you, man. Yeah, great to see you. Thanks for coming in here. You know, congrats on a great season to this point in time. And a busy part just begins for you, man. Yeah. This is about it. Thanks for coming. Yep. And come back. Let's do this more often. I'll wear my shorts now. You don't have to. No, don't wear shorts. That's a problem. That's a problem. Your legs are showing on TV. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. John Miller showed up in shorts once and he's just like, wait, this on TV.

39:52Rich Eisen:I'm like, yeah, good to see you. That's Dave McMenamin. Everybody seek out this man's article. It is must read material. And it certainly is food for thought right here on the rich eyes and show eight, four, four, two, four, rich number to dial. Where's O'Shea Jackson, Jr. Is he going to get any of this smoke or he's not?

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43:16Rich Eisen:A peer? Somebody? And then while that goes down, I'm talking to Austin Reeves. Turkey, what do you want? How much money is it? And then there's a LeBron staying amount and then there's the we need to get less for you because we do want to keep LeBron. Do you want to play with LeBron, Austin? Are you asking Reeves to take less so LeBron will stay? And Rui and others. You come up with a list of what you need to stay, who needs to stay. Obviously, Redick has a massive voice in this. Because you have to dual, triple, quadruple track this thing, man. Right? then you got to say DeAndre how can we find a new place for you that's not sometimes he's just dominant and other times he's just I saw that you know that game where the those sponge darts drop and you're supposed to catch them you know those things did you see that meme of a young boy looking up at these things and just watching them all fall and it's the meme of DeAndre Ayton looking for a rebound You're not seeing that one?

44:36Rich Eisen:Didn't you say you read JJ's lips after one play? Yeah, I saw that. It looked like he said, I can't play him. I might be wrong. I don't know. But I like him as a coach, man. Nobody fires off a timeout in disgust and strolls out to the free throw line quite like him. His hair is perfect. Hair is perfect. I mean, and he knows the game. Does he know the game or what? Been there, done that. He cares. I think they got that right. Who can bring him back on this team? Canard's a free agent. Hayes is a free agent. Rui's a free agent. Can you bring them all back? Because I like it. I like it. Not if Reeves is going to get$40 million a year.

45:21Rich Eisen:Well, that's what you say to him. I know you've been waiting for this. But if I'm him, I'm going to get paid. Yeah, I got to get my money. But, I mean, what, 30 and change is not enough? Not when you're, what Dave said, 5-240 eligible? Yeah, not when you live in Los Angeles and go and take some out of your dough. I understand. Luka, LeBron, and Reeves, and Rui, and Jackson Hayes, and Luke Kennard, and Makis Matt. That's still not a championship squad. That's the problem in that division, I mean, in that conference. But it's still better than the other alternatives. With all due respect, I'm not saying don't trade for Giannis.

46:01Rich Eisen:I mean, bring Reeves back, trade for Paolo or something. You know what I mean? Why would they give up Paolo? Didn't go that well this year. They fired their coach. Yeah, but I mean. Oh, man. The Lakers next few weeks is going to be something. For our radio audience, thanks for taking in this show. We'll chat again on Thursday. Thanks for listening to the Rich Eisen Show podcast. You can watch and listen to the Rich Eisen Show live weekdays from noon to 3 Eastern on ESPN Radio, Disney Plus, and on the ESPN app. The Rich Eisen Show, the podcast.

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