Hour 3: Browns Stick with Watson, Ravens Roll, Vikings QBs, Packers Panic Level & More

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2:02Touchdown. Earlier on the show, ESPN NFL analyst Marcus Spears. Coming up, latest injury news and more. And now, it's Rich Eisen.

2:19Rich Eisen:Hour three of the Rich Eisen Show is on the air. Great chat with Marcus Spears last hour. A lot of fun over the first two hours talking about week one of the NFL season, the college football Saturday of my lifetime. Michigan beating Oklahoma, then Ohio State blowing a 20-point lead in front of the whole country. And then TJ Jefferson getting his Arch Manning card more valuable. That's a win-win-win, all of it. If you missed it, all two hours that we already have done, there's a podcast version if you want to listen to it. there's also the disney plus page as soon as we're done you can click on that uh the watch us back whenever you want there's also our youtube channel facebook instagram tiktok so many ways for you to follow what we do here um we're we love that the overreaction monday podcast for week one chris brockman and i recorded that before the show it's out it's up there it's in there it's on there and you're here i'm there it's beautiful he called the raider game he did with my buddy mark slareth hey at any rate check it out youtube.com slash rich eyes and show or wherever you listen to your podcasts i told everybody avoid the chargers for your um survivor pool pick i don't know i just i sniffed it out i sniffed that arizona could be better than you think i did think the chargers would still win, but they did not.

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3:46Rich Eisen:And anybody who had the Lions was biting their fingernails because the Saints stormed back and had one two-point conversion chance to win it in overtime. But my survivor pool pick for the week was Jacksonville because I really like what Jacksonville is cooking, and I have zero confidence in Deshaun Watson. A vote of no confidence, if you will. Now, you could sit here and say Shador might not be too much better, but I think we're going to find out soon. You look at Deshaun Watson's stat line, 16-22, 205 pass yards, 38 rush yards. He did find Denzel Boston for a touchdown late, but that was the equivalent of the old A-Rod solo shot, Yankees down eight in the ninth inning.

4:37It was a really nice throw.

4:41Rich Eisen:One would think in there. Yeah. But when they trade, when you trade away Miles Garrett for Jaredverse, you're basically saying we're going with a youth movement here, and they should. They have the reigning defensive rookie of the year. They have Mason Graham right up front, too, from my Wolverines. Yeah. They've got Fannin. They've got Judkins. They've got all these wide receivers. Jerry Judy's kind of the OG of that wide receiver. Boston, Concepcion, just to name a few. And Joe Kowalk. But as Marcus Spears said in our two, there's 250 reasons why Deshaun Watson's starting. 250 million reasons why Deshaun Watson's getting the start.

5:30Rich Eisen:And it's the contract that they gave him. Fully guaranteed. It's his last year. Let's see what he's got. Now, you may have the wrong defense to try and find it against. Trevor Lawrence is a reason to be excited as a Jacksonville Jaguar fan. But when Heinz Allen and the rest of that defense is going to start strangleholding you, that's how this team can go to the Super Bowl and win it. But more on Jacksonville in a second. It's just tough for Browns fans to swallow. That the team that they traded the rights to draft Travis Hunter to is the team that was drafting in the top five of the same draft that is now coming off of a 13-win season defending their division title with a quarterback that is clearly on the ascent and a head coach who is dialed in to him and the rest of the team.

6:26Rich Eisen:That Jacksonville Jaguars team that had just hired Liam Cohen and a new front office, that's the team that they made that trade with okay and they only had a trade up one spot that's it they're right there in the same boat where we don't know if we got the right gm or the right coach but we believe in this new team and we do think we've got the quarterback we don't know we kind of think that we do we're going to get a coach that is going to be connected to him he's got a plan for it and we're going to start building with the pieces that we have and boom 13 win season and Cleveland is just on the same treadmill of crap.

7:07Rich Eisen:That's a new fantasy team name. Treadmill of crap.

7:14And and so this is absolutely a disaster of a start. It's a team game. It's a 53-man game, I understand, but it's a quarterback-driven league and that ain't it todd munkin asked after the game about whether he's going to stick with deshaun watson because again we all know how browns fans have felt about him and it's ugly those who decide to cheer when deshaun watson got hurt a couple years ago and he's still angry about it. I don't blame him. I don't blame him for not carrying a grudge against somebody. Of course, he lashed out and painted the entire fan base with a broad brush that Todd Monken overlooked, still named him the starter, which led to Watson saying, oh, I'm sorry.

8:13That's still there. And we're all talking about next week's game against Baker Mayfield, who needs that win and would love to send Cleveland back home with the treadmill of crap now on 10 speed and 10 incline right death and so

8:37Rich Eisen:that's what he would love to do and everybody's saying if it doesn't work out for watson in the first two games then game three is shadour everyone's wondering if maybe game two should be Shador and Munkin basically gave an answer uh starting with the I've got to look at the film before he said this I'm sure as hell not firing me I'm not firing our staff I'm not giving it all of our players so he happens to be one of 53 we'll analyze everything that we do it's not just him okay we're we're putting this on Deshaun okay which is unfair okay and whatever there is externally doesn't matter to me. That doesn't affect me.

9:17That has nothing to do with my decision-making. My decision-making is what's best for the Browns now and moving forward. That doesn't mean that I don't understand their frustration. I've said that since I've been here. Same with me. I didn't take this job to lose. I'm not trying to be rude. Please don't. It's just the end of the game.

9:36Rich Eisen:I love him. I don't know him, but I just do like the way he handles his business. and apparently he has looked at the film and has decided it's going to be Deshaun and Tampa. Just said it. He's expected to start based on his film review. Okay. Okay. I'm not the coach. I'm not an All-22 expert. He understands, well, that throw should have been made or this is the reason why Deshaun couldn't make the throw. And it's not because of his limited physical ability. It's just because the defense was better or somebody ran a wrong route or the protection scheme didn't hold up due to no fault of his own.

10:13Rich Eisen:He sees it. He gets it. And he also sees what Shador did during the summer.

10:20Rich Eisen:And kudos to him saying the outside noise does not affect him.

10:26Rich Eisen:But after that 24-point blowout loss where that thing was a wrap, like my survivor pool pick was in a rocking chair about 10 minutes in. And so if they go back to Cleveland, right now they're minus 24 in point differential. They go back to Cleveland anywhere near minus 50. He's got to think about the external. Because the external affects the internal of Deshaun Watson. It's been established with his comments. And again, he's human. I understand he wouldn't feel that way. I totally get it. but they got a bunch of young kids. I, I, you got to sit there and wonder, does he go with a peer group age, peer group quarterback and see how that works and meshes.

11:16Rich Eisen:That's the thing. When I'm seeing again, Munkin is the same age as the coach that hired him in Baltimore, right? He and John Harbaugh. What's John Harbaugh? Just a couple of years old. Munkin is 60. I think John is 62. You know what I mean? And he's coaching up Malik neighbors and, 63. You look at Dart and Scadaboo. They're like Tango and Cash. Right? Let's see what Chador and Judkins and Fannin and Boston and Concepcion can do together. Certainly if that's the possibility of the future. But it won't happen against Tampa. And then let's spend a couple minutes here on Jacksonville. they're a handful guys they are a handful and what you want when you hire a new head coach and you have a kid quarterback or a young quarterback that's already established himself collegiately to be first overall and you've given him his first head coach who i don't I don't need to go down what happened with him in Urban.

12:31Rich Eisen:I mean, that was what a disaster. What a golden ticket for Urban. Yeah. I've been there and done that. And then Doug Peterson go to the playoffs, but it's clearly not working for whatever reason. And you're going to pay him and you've paid him. You've got to find the guy to unlock and enhance. There's no doubt. Liam Cohen's done that, right? I mean, there's no doubt. Trevor Lawrence finished fifth in the MVP voting last year for good reason. Some of those throws he was making yesterday, that was the number one overall pick. That was the guy at Clemson. Yes, he's playing free. He's playing aggressive.

13:11Rich Eisen:He's an avatar of the coach. And the Browns' defense, they're not pushovers, man. They're not. By any stretch. and he's now the fourth player in NFL history with 100 or more passing touchdowns and 20 or more rushing touchdowns prior to turning 27 I didn't think he'd reach that mark last year and and this game with four passing touchdowns in week one the other three quarterbacks to have such a mark are are Josh Allen Lamar Jackson Cam Newton so you're going to start I bet you over the next few weeks I'm going to read out more and more stats like that and I don't think he could have reached that if it wasn't for Liam Cohen joining him last year you know

14:09Rich Eisen:it's their second largest week one victory in franchise history can you believe they beat the Niners by 38 in 1999 they're they are killing it man both sides of the ball they are ferocious and they operate in duval county on the afc south so let everybody not pay attention it's only going to piss off liam cohen more here he is after the game we play at our best as a team here in jacksonville when we're playing grimy physical nasty and we're flying around with relentless pursuit and that's in all three phases and look When you have a group of guys that are hungry, wanting to get a bad taste out of their mouth with the first time them playing a game since obviously Buffalo, yeah, you're trying to elevate the standard every single week.

14:56Again, I understand Duval County, Jacksonville, AFC South. Nobody talks about them. You tell me if next week's game at Denver is not something you want to watch. And then after that, the Patriots go visit. And then after that, they visit Cincinnati. and after that they've got Philadelphia and Houston in London okay two big time football games to kick off the glorious four windows of football on NFL Network let's go let's go that whole Jacksonville goes to London and isn't that cute those international games that don't matter how does Philadelphia and Houston in back-to-back weeks hit you with this team that loves to hit you.

15:44I freaking love it. Let's go. It's fun. They're a 4-0-5 CBS next week. And then you, you know, let's go. And then Houston just had a bunch of points put up on them by Buffalo. They could take this division again. They could take this conference playing like that. Love it. 844-204-RICH. number to die we'll talk baker and what happened with the bucks in cincinnati uh and then we have to talk about the ravens and how they looked in indianapolis so much more to hit your phone calls phone lines are lit we'll take your calls and of course what happened in minnesota oh boy there's lots to hit in the next 45 rich eisen here with some advice if high interest credit card debt is

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18:22Rich Eisen:In my house, the best moments don't always happen when I'm sitting still. maybe the games in overtime my favorite podcast is getting to the good part my got a playlist that's found its groove i use sonos i love it susan i the kids it's so easy for us to use the whole sound system is designed to let what we're listening to that gets that sound following us from room to room so we can stay with the moment as we all move throughout the house it's awesome sonos love the sound feel the system build yours at sonos.com Tracy in North Carolina has been hanging on. What's up, Tracy? Yeah. You pretty much answered everything I wanted to know about the Jags.

19:02How do you feel about next week against the Broncos? Oh, baby. It's great. And you know Denver wants to – listen, they're not there yet because they got a big one tonight. But the minute they land in Denver, if they win tonight, it's on and you know Sean Payton is going to use every trick in his book about what happened between these two teams last year when Jacksonville laid it on thick there on them and then New England I'll tell you man if they show up like they did in Seattle having struggle on offense that's a win for them too and they perform well in London I mean more often than not. It looks good.

19:52How about this one? Week 9 at Baltimore. Let's go. Let's go. Let's go. Do you think it will do as good as we did last year? Schedules are a lot tougher, it seems like.

20:06Rich Eisen:Yeah, we need... Listen, I don't want to get ahead of myself because it's a week 1 situation and about what they do this year, but they're clearly clearly all phases the best team in the AFC South right now. With all due respect. I know the Texans had a great one on offense against the Bills, and we'll see what happens in Josh Allen and all that. Josh Allen is the one who won and done Jacksonville last year. But thank you for the call, Tracy. Just enjoy what Jacksonville is doing right now. Because they have put it together in the right way. They sure have. Brandon in St. Louis, you're on the Rich Eisen Show.

20:43Rich Eisen:What's up, Brandon? Hey, good morning, fellas. What do you mean? Rich, I wanted your lead pipe building professional opinion on what went wrong yesterday for the Packers. I know you say all the time you've got to play smarter than the refs officiate, but what was that rough-in-the-passer penalty? Brutal. Not only that, why is Matt LaFleur going for it on fourth and two to take a field goal? Not to mention our defensive line looks like crap. And then, last thing I promise, in light of Overreaction Monday, are we talking hot seat or what? Well, that is part, actually, that is the subject on Overreaction Monday.

21:30Rich Eisen:That's what... Okay, my bad. No, no, no, don't say my bad. Just listen to it, and I'll just tease that, that we discussed that at length on Overreaction Monday, because Chris looped Jim Harbaugh into that as well. Those were the two most inexcusable losses on Sunday. Brandon, thanks for the call.

21:51Rich Eisen:Here's LaFleur on what Brandon was referring to, which was, let me get this correct here. To get the exact timing right. Go ahead. The roughing the passer was ridiculous. What are you asking the defenders to do? He didn't pile drive them. He didn't like the body weight thing that they've tried to kind of get out of the game. Carson Wentz is six, five to 40. I just don't understand that call. You know how I feel about roughing. I think it should be reviewable. And I know that that sometimes it that that that opens the door to what happened with pass interference because it sometimes is subjective about what you're seeing.

22:32Rich Eisen:But it's a simple rule. It's a simple rule. You know, helmet to helmet, body weight, the whole business. you could see it in replay get it done get it done get it done right i agree so it's an eight point lead 40 yard field goal by by the way trey smack is that the greatest field goal name ever because you could smack it through for trey for three you know what i mean it's just great trey smack what a great thing he's a like how like how wingo he's at the third and goes by trey eight point lead with a 40 yard field goal with 13 17 to go the vikings jumped off sides and the LaFleur is like, okay, it's fourth and one, by the way.

23:07Rich Eisen:Let's now go for it. I didn't have a problem with that. I didn't have a problem with that. Now, here's where Josh Jacobs isn't there is an issue, I think. Very true. Okay, because he's the best at getting that one yard that would be on their roster if he didn't have his legal problem. Or you keep the eight points and he's grinding out the clock. I guess you could. You could do that. Or you go and get aggressive and you get the two-point lead. This is what LaFleur had to say about it. What was the decision to take the points off the board and go for it? I think that's just we're going to be aggressive.

23:39I mean, it was going to be an eight-point game. If it would have been a two-possession game, I probably would have thought otherwise. But, you know, I thought we had a chance. We didn't do very well in the red zone. I think we were 1-4. They were 4-4. But sometimes you live and die by that. But we're going to be aggressive, and we're going to try to go for the throw in that situation. I don't know about analytics guys like I'm sure the analytic people would say go for it but I don't know that doesn't factor in the fact that what factors in is we like their call they gave us a look for the quarterback sneak we we checked to it and we didn't get it