Hour 3: Giannis’ Trade Request, Clippers Cut CP3, plus Savannah Bananas LF Coach RAC

3 Dec 2025 · 47 min · 17 chapters

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In short

Episode topic: NBA trade/roster drama (Giannis trade request; Clippers cut Chris Paul; broader talk of Kawhi Leonard’s legacy and NBA roster/trade rules) plus a long interview with Savannah Bananas “Coach Rack” Robert Anthony Cruz about his baseball journey and Banana Ball.

Guest backgrounds

Robert Anthony Cruz is a Savannah Bananas left fielder known as “Coach Rack.” He was homeschooled, played at a Division 2 school, and was signed by the Washington Nationals after the 2021 draft (COVID-shortened; $20,000 offer). He later plays Banana Ball, with game-day entertainment led by staff like a dance instructor and entertainment director.

Key claims

Giannis reportedly asked for a trade out of Milwaukee before this season; Clippers reportedly cut Chris Paul mid-season due to conflict/communication issues; Kawhi’s legacy is defined by championships (Spurs, Raptors) despite injuries.

Notable examples

Giannis social-media purge; Clippers informing Paul while on a delayed tarmac flight; Cruz recreating his Nationals signing moment at Nationals Park with a home run; Banana Ball trick-play “equalizer point” rule trial.

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NFL Viewership Records

0:30 to 0:49

Discussion on record-breaking NFL viewership and audience engagement.

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NFL Viewership Records

1:54 to 2:52

Discussion on record-breaking NFL viewership and audience engagement.

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Giannis Trade Speculation

2:52 to 3:16

Exploring the rumors surrounding Giannis Antetokounmpo's potential trade.

“Let's go with the one that our friend Windhorst popped first, because that's the latest one.”

NBA Trade Analysis

3:16 to 4:28

Analysis of potential NBA trades involving Giannis and team dynamics.

“Which means bad things usually for the team that is employing said player who cleanses his or her social media of any sign of their employment.”

Eastern Conference Outlook

4:28 to 6:10

Discussion on the competitive landscape of the NBA Eastern Conference.

“I thought that's the way it's supposed to be for generationally great players.”

Clippers and Chris Paul Situation

6:10 to 6:59

Analyzing the Clippers' decision to cut Chris Paul and its implications.

“And you sneak in in the Miami Heat top way?”

Kawhi Leonard's Legacy

6:59 to 10:50

Exploring Kawhi Leonard's career trajectory and its impact on the Clippers.

“They're going to get a top player, and then Halliburton's going to come back.”

Clippers' Future and Identity

10:50 to 14:01

Discussion on the Clippers' identity crisis and future prospects.

“But I can still remember that night that the trade broke on ESPN.”

The Legacy of Kawhi Leonard and Clippers' Future

14:01 to 18:18

Explore the challenges and legacy of Kawhi Leonard with the Clippers as they navigate their current situation in the NBA.

“Not being available because he's unavailable in terms of being healthy enough to play.”

The Legacy of Kawhi Leonard and Clippers' Future

18:19 to 19:07

Explore the challenges and legacy of Kawhi Leonard with the Clippers as they navigate their current situation in the NBA.

“So it's – And if you do make a trade, the money has to be equal.”
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Interview with Coach Rack of Savannah Bananas

19:12 to 24:14

Robert Anthony Cruz, aka Coach Rack, shares his journey from a Division 2 player to coach with the Savannah Bananas.

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Playing in Major League Stadiums: A Dream Realized

24:15 to 28:01

Coach Rack recounts his emotional journey and special moments after being signed by the Washington Nationals.

“My dad works so hard and often, I mean, every time I would ask, he never said no.”

Celebrating a Home Run Anniversary

28:01 to 40:08

Learn about a special home run celebration linked to a significant personal milestone.

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Coaching and Community Engagement

40:09 to 41:24

Discover the impact of coaching youth and fostering a love for baseball.

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Coaching and Community Engagement

42:38 to 43:13

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Coaching and Community Engagement

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1:20Rich Eisen:This is the Rich Eisen Show. This is the Rich Eisen Show. The Patriots. This team destroying everyone in front of them. How far can they go? Live from the Rich Eisen Show studio in Los Angeles. Earlier on the show. Prime Video TNF analyst Andrew Whitworth. Pro Football Hall of Famer Kurt Warner. Coming up. Savannah Bananas left fielder Robert Anthony Cruz. And now it's Rich Eisen. Well, everybody, welcome to our number three of the Rich Eisen Show here on Disney Plus, the ESPN app, ESPN radio presented by Progressive Insurance. We say hello to everybody helping us break the record of the Chiefs and Cowboys viewership today.

2:11Rich Eisen:I mean, we're really honored. I mean, our phone lines are lit. You know, 57 million people calling in at once. I'm surprised we're able to handle that type of volume. That's not happening. Okay. But our audience, we love, nonetheless, love them all. By the way, Lions and Packers broke a record at 47 million. That was the record period until the Cowboys and the Chiefs beat it later on in the day. Yeah, and the Bengals and Ravens set the night game record at 28 plus million. Crazy. We love our football in this country. We love it. Great slate of games. Some NBA news all over the place involving some bold-faced names.

2:52Rich Eisen:Let's go with the one that our friend Windhorst popped first, because that's the latest one. What did Brian Windhorst throw out there, Christopher? He was on ESPN Radio in Cleveland. Yeah, he was. And they were talking about Giannis, and there's some trade speculation out there as the Bucs are underperforming. They haven't been good with him out of the lineup. And recently this week, Giannis deleted off social media all Bucs-related content. Which means bad things usually for the team that is employing said player who cleanses his or her social media of any sign of their employment. Yeah, not a great sign.

3:28Rich Eisen:And the hosts there were just talking about him. And Windhorst just casually dropped that Giannis had asked for a trade out of Milwaukee before this season. I think that's earned Brian Windhorst the call for me to say, can you do our show? Fill us in. So they essentially rejected his request? Or the Knicks didn't pull it off? Well, that was the one spot that Giannis had wanted to kind of go to this offseason. But, yeah. And now teams are circulating. I've heard people speculate on San Antonio. Could the Lakers pull something together? Giannis. Come on. Golden State. So, yeah. San Antonio, that is just.

4:13Rich Eisen:I don't understand. Man, why would anybody mention San Antonio or Golden State or anybody but the Lakers? Aren't you supposed to only just call the Lakers and the Lakers only and make it only a deal with them and not throw it open to anybody? I think that's part of the NBA bylaw. I thought that's the way it's supposed to be for generationally great players. It's like a contractual obligation for you to do that. Yeah, it's got to wind up on the Lakers. Although they did already pull off their once-in-a-generation talent move that they've done since, what, 1970-something. And they've already picked the best player from Milwaukee in the past.

4:48Rich Eisen:Why do people throw out San Antonio? Just because they, you know. Well, they have a lot of the assets. Not only would Milwaukee want picks, but you want young players. And obviously they have Stephon Castle or Dylan Harper could be sent to Milwaukee along with the bevy of picks. And so I guess if there's any sort of helium balloons that go up into the rafters, they could just put Giannis on Wemby's shoulders and just pull it down. Give it back to a child. A front line of Wemby and Giannis. Stop. How does that even work? Why would they trade for Giannis? Oh, no. Why would you? My worst take in the history of this show, don't trade for Giannis, is now a great take.

5:29Rich Eisen:Don't trade away, Giannis. I'm sure that's what Doc is saying. Yeah, it hasn't been good this year in Milwaukee. They're 9-13, and Giannis has missed some time. one and five in the games without him. You know what everybody's saying these days, too, man. But the East is still wide open, so I don't know why you're trying to give up hope there. Yeah, your Celtics are playing well. You know what I mean? You know, looking at the odds yesterday, TJ, 15-1 to win the East. Big win over New York last night. Have been good in this recent stretch. Starting to come together playing some small ball. Tatum comes back in April.

6:04Rich Eisen:Who's better than the Celtics if Tatum is back at full strength? Especially with the way Jalen Brown is playing right now. And you sneak in in the Miami Heat top way? Yeah, suddenly we're the 7-8 seed. Yeah, yeah. You don't want to play in. Losing the play in. But you know what everybody says. Look at the Pacers last year. Turn of the calendar last year. Who was talking about the Pacers being any threat? I remember the Mavericks a couple years ago, Boston the year before that, when they kind of, you know, the energy shifted. Right. Pacers trying to pull the spurs right now. And this is a loaded draft, so it's like you don't really want to be in it if you don't have a chance to compete.

6:39Rich Eisen:for the championship, the way the talent is going to be come next June. Obviously, Oklahoma City is just pulling everybody away. All the metrics are one of the greatest teams of all time. We're seeing something truly special there. What I meant by pulling the Spurs is Halliburton's out. They went to the finals. Now they've got four wins. They're going to end up in the lottery. They're going to get a top player, and then Halliburton's going to come back. Yeah, just like Tim Duncan back in the game. You mean whoever Michigan sends into the draft? Michigan's got some players It's basketball season in my end of the world right now Well I mean the season's over with the exception of there'll be one bowl game I'll tune into By the way projection Citrus Bowl, Texas, Michigan if neither make the playoff Citrus Bowl They like the juice on that squeeze right there I don't know And then there's another story Yeah.

7:37Rich Eisen:Your Los Angeles Clippers signed Chris Paul in his farewell season. Going back to the future, playing for the Los Angeles Clippers. Lobby. And is this the worst retirement tour in the history of retirement tours? Because, you know, you're supposed to get like presents when you go everywhere you go. Rocking chairs. You know, Rivera, Jeter, Big Papi. They all got gifts. You're not supposed to get a knock on your hotel room door, apparently, around the middle of the night and say you're cut. And yet? I don't know. What is the circumstances in which the Clippers informed Chris Paul in the middle of this dreadful season for the L.A.

8:25Clippers that were done? but Lawrence Frank confirming that they're not in business with Chris Paul anymore.

8:37Rich Eisen:And he, what, he Instagrammed out on his stories. I've just been informed. Yeah, just like, hey, informed. I've been really let go. And apparently the flight that the Clippers were on last night was delayed in Atlanta, leaving. They were on the tarmac for a while. So did they kick for them? No, but players were learning about the move while they were on the plane. and I'm seeing all over reports that he and Tyron haven't been speaking he took him out of the rotation at the beginning of the season put him back in but apparently per Shams they felt that Paul was too vocal in holding management coaches and players accountable so they told him get out we're done in the middle I mean I mean Chris Paul has always been known as kind of like a hard-o right You know what I mean?

9:27Rich Eisen:So apparently maybe with this new regime that's in there now, just didn't take kindly to his style of leadership, didn't mesh with Ty Lue. They weren't speaking. Well, you're the Clipper fan here. He's an all-time great. You're telling him in the middle of the night that we're done? I mean, look, it's got to be something deeper than obviously we know, right? But this team isn't going anywhere. This is a very frustrating season. And I'm looking forward to the end of the year because, you know, we'll get a high draft. Oh, no, we won't, Chris, have a high draft pick. We're not going to have a draft pick.

10:08Rich Eisen:That's going to Oklahoma City. It just seems like this guy's going to have his jersey retire. He'll be the first Clipper to have his number hanging in the new arena. But that's the thing, and it's a farewell tour. It's a reason for diehard Clipper fans to come to games. I just don't understand. Well, it's something, man. Remember, Blake Griffin signed that big deal. He wanted to retire a Clipper, then he got traded to Detroit. A few months later, he's out. Same thing with Chris Paul. I really don't know, man. Being a Clippers fan, if I could go back to 99 and do it all over again, I don't know if I would have hopped on this.

10:43Rich Eisen:Well, you would have stopped the Shea-Gilgis-Alexander trade. Oh, absolutely. Like, if you could go back in your DeLorean, that's where you'd stop, right? I would stop there. I'd say listen to Jerry West. Listen to Jerry West. Right. But Kawhi said I need Paul George. And at the time. If I'm departing. At the time it was great. You're thinking it's a great move. But I can still remember that night that the trade broke on ESPN. And I remember it because I was recording myself laughing on my couch. But then I saw what we gave up. And I was like, ooh, that's a lot of traffic. Yeah, but Kawhi had just won in Toronto.

11:20Rich Eisen:Yeah. Wasn't that on Fourth of July? Yeah. Well, I mean, you remember like... And there was an earthquake. There was an earthquake. You remember that was supposed to be... He was supposed to come back to Southern California where he's from and play with LeBron. Right. That's what he thought. Well, I mean, because that's the way it always goes. But Kawhi wasn't having it. No, I mean, that's what happens sometimes. One time the league will just say, nope, Chris, you can't play with the Lakers. You got to play with the Clippers. Right? One time the Lakers didn't get the trade they wanted. I was happy with that.

11:53Rich Eisen:and Kawhi yeah I said this in the break to TJ what is ultimately Kawhi Leonard's legacy going to be because it's such an interesting career finals MVP is not the real star of that team in San Antonio he was the star of the final but then becomes kind of a mercenary goes to Toronto for a season wins finals MVP and a championship there only 27 in that year so you gotta figure he is hitting his prime as a basketball player. Comes out here, forces the trade for Paul George to come with him. Has a great season. Things fall apart in the bubble. Then is just injury riddled. Pretty much played a full season two years ago.

12:37Rich Eisen:But since then, guy can't stay healthy. Just kind of a strange, interesting dude. We don't really hear a lot from him. One of the best defensive players of his time. No doubt. Great clutch Big game player When healthy And won in two places Yeah I mean Very few people can say Obviously the reason Toronto won I mean dude you remember It was like They were putting stickers in the windows At food establishments Saying don't leave And how Kawhi could eat wherever he wanted in Toronto. An iconic play. Yeah. The multi-bouncer to beat Jeff Walker. Shout out to Jeff Walker. Shout out to Jeff Walker. One of the greatest sound engineers in the history of his live games.

13:29Rich Eisen:Maybe he's been the best I know. He learned from some guy. I wonder if Jeff Walker is on the tree. I don't want to be insufferable. Yeah, don't do that. But then obviously coming out here to try to kind of save this Clipper franchise and give it a new identity under the Steve Ballmer ownership and it just like hasn't... I'll be honest. Materialized. I'll be honest. It's been, I'll say it, coming out here to L.A. in the Clippers, it's been mostly about no-shows. Okay? Not being available because he's unavailable in terms of being healthy enough to play. Then there's all this other stuff going on about the no-show job.

14:14And then there's the stuff about this city is about showtime.

14:22Rich Eisen:There's a reason why this city, certainly when it comes to basketball, gravitates towards the superstars. Just gravitates. That's the history of this city right now in Los Angeles. And it's been mostly with the Lakers, with the exception of the Blake Griffin, DeAndre Jordan, Chris Paul era, right? Yeah, the Lob City era. Lob City era. So fun. Which is why when LeBron was here, fresh off of the bubble with Anthony Davis, and Kawhi's like, I'll go to Los Angeles. I just need Paul George. And the Clippers were just like, let's just make it happen. Well, that was before. I know that because this is what was happening to lead up to that bubble here.

15:09You know?

15:11Rich Eisen:Put it all together. The Clippers wanted to have their stars. as well. And to be able to prevent Kawhi from going to the Lakers and saying, you're going to come here?

15:24Rich Eisen:But I mean, it's an interesting conversation about what his legacy is. He's a Hall of Famer. Oh, absolutely. Right. So at the end of the day, what are you going to remember about him? You're not going to remember the fact that he didn't play these games. You're going to remember the championships. You will remember what he did with the Spurs and what he did with the Toronto Raptors. And what is he going to write for Steve Ballmer before he does finish his career? Because right now his Laker is Clipper years are just 100 % in the old toilet. And the fact that they're going to try. Thank you. You're welcome.

16:02Rich Eisen:Right. And, and that's it. And, and the Clippers have a beautiful new building. Kids love going there. Love it. And if you're in town, go to Intuit Dome. It's a great place to see a basketball game. I enjoy it. But right now, man, it's just a weird, wild way for this because Lou is one of the best coaches in the NBA, right? Anybody would be all over him. I don't know what the plan is right now. But Chris Paul just in the middle of the night. Is that what happened? Do we know what the exact circumstances are? knocking on his door and wake up? I don't think I've seen an exact timeline. Because that's the way it's being, you know.

16:49Rich Eisen:That's how it seems. You know. I did see one thing where the Lawrence Franks had the conversation lasted three hours on what to do with Chris Paul. Okay. I mean, I like the Clipper organization. I love the building. It's just the record right now. And Kawhi's just kind of... Again, in this town, you want your superstars to be out front. and he's a guy who's like willingly just like yeah that's not for me and that's fine you have to know that when you acquire him I don't think anyone expected his temperament to change the fact that the man's body like betrayed him and that's what's sad NBA and all sports is littered with what ifs what if Bill Walton was healthy what if Derrick Rose doesn't blow out his knee what if Grant Hill had healthy ankle you know you could go on and on forever And at least Kawhi, I feel like, obviously, he didn't get the most out of it, but he got so much out of his talent and out of his career.

17:50Rich Eisen:If it were to end the day, but obviously it's not. Well, we'll see. Right? We'll see. We'll see what happens in terms of, I mean, with the NBA, it's so difficult to follow with aprons and caps and releases, and apparently December 15th is when it's going to take effect. And it's so weird because I don't understand this. It's like, you know, you have to have 15 people on your team, but then some teams, because of the way contracts are structured, can't have that many people until like January. They've got to wait. So it's – And if you do make a trade, the money has to be equal. So, you know, say we're making the same on a team, we can be traded for each other.

18:29Rich Eisen:But if we were going to trade for rich, we would have to get like 18 people involved because all the money has to even out. So that's why like – Equal up to rich's money. I'm sorry, are you talking about me? For Giannis trade, there's only a couple of teams that can actually do a deal like this because of his contract status. Suddenly, I'm uncomfortable about where this conversation is going. Rich, your name's on the mug, baby. People know. Suddenly, we've got to take a break. ESPN Radio is presented by Progressive Insurance. Keep your career moving forward with growth opportunities, great pay, and benefits in one of the country's top workplaces.

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22:09Rich Eisen:I remember that moment. Our radio audience just returned here on ESPN Radio where you went. Walk me through that moment again, if you don't mind. I remember this. So your dad is working where? Yeah, my dad's working at Firestone in Riverside. Here in California. California, yes. I had dreamed of being picked up by a professional team But I went to a Division 2 school I didn't think it was likely that I'd get picked up It was a 20 round draft You know, COVID shortened everything down And I ended up getting a phone call right after the draft I was playing Minecraft I was homeschooled, so I love Minecraft Nice And playing Minecraft, I get a phone call from D.C.

22:50And I'm like, alright, I'm going to answer it It's probably spam But it's like, hey, this is Mark Baca with the Washington Nationals We want to sign you for$20 ,000. Does that work? I'm like, yeah, I would have done it for free. Let's do it, man. And so, yeah, I went and I drove to Lids at like a local mall, bought the last two Nationals hats that they had there and then drove to Firestone where my dad was working. And I told my mom, I was like, hey, like, you should record this. I think this is going to be cool. You know, make sure it's red at the top, mom. You know, wouldn't want to, you know, have an accident there.

23:25So she recorded that moment, and I told my dad that I got signed, and we were both crying. And later on that day, I thought, okay, this would probably be pretty cool to share. But, yeah, that moment was special. And so you popped it on? TikTok, yeah.

23:39Rich Eisen:Okay, and off it went. Yeah. What a moment for you and your dad to have, right? Because, again, that's – and we'll get to the fun and the games with Savannah Bananas and Banana Ball in a second. But, you know, this is this is the culmination of so many people who are waking up four in the morning, five in the morning, driving all over a state to get you out there to play ball as a kid, to get your reps, get your swings, get your get your at bats, you know, and and to get that moment is pretty cool, brother. So special. Thank you, man. My dad works so hard and often, I mean, every time I would ask, he never said no.

24:21Every time he was getting off work, I'm like, hey, dad, we got an hour left of daylight. Like, meet me at Reed Park. Can you throw me some batting practice? Always said yes. Even to this day, he still throws me batting practice. Yes.

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24:31Rich Eisen:So if somebody had told you right then and there, hey, you're going to play in Angel Stadium one day, but. Yeah, the but. I never would have expected. But it's going to be, and it's going to be in front of. Sold out. Sold out. Angel Stadium actually sold out. Otani's not involved. Yeah, yeah. You know? But it's going to be with the Savannah Bananas. And it's going to be in front of a crowd that is fully delighted by watching your son play or watching you play, right? Were your folks in Angel Stadium? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. They were there, man. Of course that'd be. Yeah. This thing has been so special.

25:11And I think that so many of the players realize, Like we've got a second chance at playing again. Otherwise we wouldn't still be playing ball. And so we, we try to keep a good perspective and real, like not take it for granted because yeah, we were just, we sold out angel stadium. I grew up going to games there all the time. My neighbor had season tickets. So yeah, man, such a, such a blessing. I feel, feel very blessed.

25:31Rich Eisen:And you are entertaining and your colleagues are entertaining beyond expectation. And it's, it's, it's so much fun to watch you guys play how what goes into preparing for a game a lot more than people realize i said oh yeah we've got we've got this guy maceo he's our dance instructor um yeah we got one of those uh zach frangelo is our director of entertainment yes um what this practically looks like on a game day you show up and uh before you even touch a baseball we got rehearsals yeah there's stilts pitching love that we have rehearsals and so they will tell us what the plans are what dances we're doing that day so when you see us performing a dance you know in front of 45 50 ,000 people making a fool of ourselves we learned that dance you know like that morning my question when do you practice the dances yeah I know the day of yeah there are certain dances that we repeat like when we when we win we have our like you know victory dance i guess it's silly to say that but yeah it's basically what it is um so we have a couple dances that we repeat other than that the run scoring celebrations the you know special walks up to home plate all of those uh those we learned that day so uh have some have some grace with us out there we're trying you don't get heckled do you oh no no just on just on just on like you Social media, I'd say.

26:59Rich Eisen:Oh, well, forget that. That's everybody. Sure, sure. Who's trolling a Savannah banana on social media? What is your malfunction? A sad, sad person. That's true. That's an understatement. Party animal diehard, maybe. I don't know. I'm sick and tired of this, too. What the hell? So has something happened on a diamond that wasn't planned completely that even surprised you? wow, I just made that play, I just made that hit, I just hit that ball or something like that. How often does something like that happen? Oh, all the time. I bet. Again, we're playing baseball. I mean, we're competing. We're trying to win.

27:36Rich Eisen:You know how the ball's going to come off the bat, right? No, no, there's no way. You could get the best hitter in the world. I mean, who knows? Otani might not hit a home run, even if they throw you a fastball right down the middle. Baseball is hard. And probably the moment that stands out for me that blew my mind, and I'm just saying, God, I got to even experience this. I always dreamed of just rounding the bases, hitting a home run in a major league stadium, a bunch of people. Like Fenway Park? Sure, yeah. Yeah, I like that. Exactly. Yeah, we've played there a couple times. The three-year anniversary of me getting signed by the Nationals.

28:11So I got signed July 13th of 2021. um july 13th of last year 2024 i'm at nationals park we just so happen to be playing at nationals park our one game of the year wow that we play at nationals park uh was on the three-year anniversary of me getting signed so the owner jesse cole's bananas was like uh we were sitting on a plane next to each other actually the week before and he was like hey did you know that uh when we play at nationals park next week that's like the anniversary of you getting signed by them i was like, wow, I didn't even realize that. You didn't even realize that? I didn't realize that.

28:44He wanted to see the video on my phone and we pulled it up and it was, it was July 13th. So, um, he was like, are your parents coming to this game? And, and, uh, they weren't planning on it initially. Um, but he was like, you know what? I think we should have your dad walk with you up to home plate again. Um, and you know, kind of recreate that moment initially of, you know, you getting signed by the nationals and you telling your dad. And so we'll have him walk up to home plate with you um share a moment we'll play your video on the video board we'll give you a standing ovation you know at Nats Park and and go from there and uh wouldn't you know it my last at bat at Nationals Park home run come on like I mean it was like I just never I'll never forget like the ball leaving the yard and it was just I was euphoric it was it was so so cool you jacked it out yeah yeah to pull i got somewhere on youtube i don't know well i mean wow find it yeah yeah uh but you go did you go to the plate thinking like i want to jack one out here oh of course yeah i mean of course that's the idea but you know at that point in the game i think that was my third at bat and and i was like all right i just want to i already had a triple earlier in that game and i was like all right let's i wasn't specifically i'm always trying to hit a home run you know of course but um but i wasn't even it thought it even crossed my mind it would have been like too good to be true in my head um but there's moments like that a lot that happen dude basically

30:03Rich Eisen:every game uh is uh is too good to be true right now yeah i mean you're selling out football stadiums football you got oregon stadium next year you got wrigley field next year yeah you're back on the bananas again next year um right i mean raymond james stadium three million fans on the ticket wait list across the United States. This is a phenomenon. And it just also speaks again about how baseball's a kid's game and you're acting like kids and kids can't wait to watch adults act like kids and maybe see somebody throw a fastball on stilts. You know what I mean? Yeah, sure. Who comes up with this stuff?

30:41Man, well, you got to give a lot of props to Jesse Cole, the owner. I mean, his vision for the sport of banana ball was birthed out of this collegiate summer team that he's running in Savannah, Georgia. and collegiate summer teams will try to get creative with their mid-inning promotions and try to get the fans involved. But you never see more than a couple thousand people show up. And Jesse Cole started, rather than looking at the field, he started looking at the fans and was like, okay, what parts of the game are they getting disengaged? And he basically crafted the sport of banana ball to just keep the audience attention the whole time and make it interactive.

31:19As we're playing in these stadiums, We have players going up into the third deck and giving roses to little girls. And the stuff that we do makes it feel like even if you're sitting way up at the top, you're still included as part of the show. So got to give props to Jesse Cole. So many of the amazing ideas that you see us doing on the field, a lot of it originated with him. Is there a spot you want to play in that you haven't been? Like a place I want to play? Oh, I would love to play at Dodger Stadium. That's like, we're not going there next year. I grew up a Dodger fan. I'm sure you're okay.

31:53Yeah, I would love to play there. Dodger Stadium. Yeah. What about a football stadium? You're a football guy in any way, shape, or form? Dude, I have a fantasy football team, and I think I'm in third now out of ten. Okay. I did auto-draft, and I know nothing about football. Yeah. Listen, you're kind of what's wrong with fantasy football. I've heard that, yeah.

32:13Rich Eisen:You know what I mean? I know, and I'm doing well, too. That's just the tough part. That's how it works, right? That's him over there, too. That's Jason Feller. Is it? What's up, buddy? Is that you, too? Jason Feller meet Coach Rack. Hi. Coach Rack, that's Jason Feller. Yep. Oh, I have Rico Dotto? Well, geez, let me start him. Oh, he gets 200 yards rushing. Oh, okay. Nice and fast guys. That's the guy. That's my guy right there. Oh, so who did you auto-draft? Oh, man. So I got, let's see, I got Bijan. Yeah, you did. Yeah, I got Jalen Hurst. He's my quarterback. You know, I don't even know too many names, you know.

32:45I just.

32:47Rich Eisen:Oh, my God. Yeah, I just see this guy here, and I'm like, oh, he's projected for 13. All right, cool. Let's put him in the lineup, you know? Oh, my God. That's me. This is great. This Nationals home run is incredible. You get an American flag on your way to first base, and you're like running around the bases with this flag. You love that part. It's amazing. So that was the funny thing. Before the game, as we're rehearsing, they were like, okay, we're in D.C. One of our celebrations will be if anyone hits a home run, the celebration will be we're going to run the American flag out to you, and you run around the bases with it.

33:18And so, yeah, I mean, I hit the home run, and I start running to first base, and then my teammate Kyle runs up to me with the flag, and I was like, oh, yeah, I got to run around the bases with the flag. So, you know, Toby Keith's rolling, and I'm just running around the bases. It was probably one of the, you know, top five American moments in the past couple years, I'd say, self-proclaimed.

33:37Rich Eisen:The whole team comes down to home plate. It's a giant celebration. The only thing missing is you didn't hit it in a light tower with the natural, but the balls are flying down. I've seen that movie. I've seen that movie. Okay, good. I'm glad you get that pop culture reference I don't get too many I'm homeschooled You said that but you're also 27 and I didn't want to show my age here Oh my gosh that is so cool brother And part of that story too what's the most amazing part of that story is there were actual Washington National lids and Riverside lids What is that? For the Howard Kendrick fans? Pretty random The two Howard Kendrick fans who were from the Angels and the Nationals Is that what it is?

34:14Rich Eisen:I think those were those two. Some poor Howie Kendrick fan goes, why are we sold out of national hats? Because Coach Rack grabbed him for a viral video. You know, fun fact, my first ever professional hit was with Howie Kendrick's bat, actually, because he was in the Nats org. Yeah, man. I just remembered that. Yeah, I still have that bat. The only thing better is you got maybe one of Juan Soto's bags. Yeah, don't have that. No? Yeah. Well, he's a Met fan over there. He knows all about Juan Soto taking the bag. That's what that guy knows right there. Lover of the game, my ass. That's what we got this guy here.

34:50Rich Eisen:I was a Yankees fan right there, Rack. He's just upset. That's all right. I'm bitter. One thing I love about you guys, though, too, is can you tell me a little bit about the umpire? Yes. Oh, yeah. The umpire is the man. He's the man. Vincent Chapman, he can move a little bit. Yeah, the dancing umpire, the twerking umpire, I mean, he can move. There's no doubt about that. I'd say probably the fourth inning every game, he'll go dust off the plate, and then they play his song and chucks his mask way up in the air, and people lose their mind. They love that guy. Like Enrico Palazzo? I don't know who that is.

35:24I know, I know.

35:24Rich Eisen:I was like two for two before that, though, so I'm still batting like 667. I don't think he'd know who Enrico Palazzo is. You've never seen the naked gun is what you're saying. No idea what you're talking about. Two things. Two things. First of all, shot at Dodger Stadium. Okay. Okay, so that's number one. Pretending to be angels. Pretending to be the Angels. Reggie Jackson comes out of right field. Okay. No, this doesn't ring a bell. I know Reggie Jackson. Okay, good. I know right field. He's part of a plot to kill the queen of England. Okay. Let me see what else I can do. See, I feel like you're just making this up.

35:54Rich Eisen:This doesn't sound real. No, no, no. Lieutenant Frank. No, no, no. Lieutenant Frank. This is one of my favorite parts in the history of this show is explaining police squad to Coach Rack of Savannah Bananas right now. Now, Lieutenant Frank Drebin, our police squad, goes undercover as an umpire to try and uncover the plot in time to save the queen. This does sound good. And he is a dancing umpire at one point in time. Really? Yes. No. Trust me on all of this. I trust you, but like, kind of. I feel like this isn't a real thing. I am not. Am I trolling? No, no, no. This is great. This is great. This is real?

36:30Rich Eisen:It's a great movie. It's like one of those spoof movies. Have you seen Major League? Yeah, I have seen that. Okay, you've seen Major League? Yes, that's a classic. Field of Dreams? Field of Dreams, yeah. I've seen that. Sam Lott, yeah. Met Ham Porter in the batting cage at the Angels Stadium, actually. Hambino played in the game. Yeah, he did. It was a miracle that he made contact, because I'll tell you what, I was giving him soft toss in the cage down before, and brother could not make contact on underhand. And then he gets in the game and made contact. I was like, there's no way he just did that.

36:56It's amazing. It was a miracle.

36:58Rich Eisen:Any special new rule changes? Because that's kind of one of the unique aspects of Savannah Ball or the unique rules. Anything new for 2026? Yes, this is not confirmed. But we tried this out in playoffs a couple months ago, and I kind of like it. So the one element of banana ball that was not competitive is the trick plays. There was no incentive to do it other than it looks cool. I'd do a backflip catch in left field, looks sweet, but it doesn't really give us any competitive advantage. If we're like the game's on the line, generally speaking, I'm just catching it normally. Okay. They added this rule where you get an extra point.

37:34They call it an equalizer point if you have more trick plays than the other team. However, the home team often has, I don't want to get too into the weeds here. The home team often has more opportunities to make outs on defense because they can walk off innings. Correct. So let's say in the first inning, leadoff batter hits a home run. The away team didn't get a single out because the home team walked off the inning. So what they added was this equalizer point. where if the visiting team gets more trick plays than the home team, then they get one point. And it's very simple, but we tried it in playoffs, and it made it so that people were trying trick plays in pressure situations because you wanted to make sure you had more trick plays than the other team so that the visiting team doesn't get the equalizer point.

38:15So that's like the one rule change that is up in the air. I don't know if they're going to do it for next year, but I think it'll add more of a competitive balance, I guess, to the game. and give incentive for people to do trick plays and innovate.

38:30Rich Eisen:How many points for the trick play in a championship game by having a ball hit directly into the crease of the fence and the warning track? How many points would the Blue Jays have gotten? Right, right. I don't think they would have gotten any. If, you know, Quique Hernandez would have done like a backflip catch or something, then maybe. Were you jealous? Were you jealous with that moment? Like, I could do that. I could do that. Oh, yeah. Mookie goes around the back on the game winning double play. I could do that. I can have Pahez come and hit me. How many points for that right there on the screen?

39:05Rich Eisen:How many points for that? Yeah, I don't think any personally. But, yeah, gosh, that was such a fun World Series. That restored my faith in playoff baseball. Really? Well, it was just so fun. It was incredible. It was cinema. Like, I was sitting there, like, watching. And my wife was like, what's going on? I'm like, Gigi, Gigi. He just hit a home run. Of all people. Unreal. Rojas making the play at second to home plate. Oh my gosh, but I like this much. You're a Dodger fan, so you were probably living and dying. I was. The season was for an instant in an instant replay machine. Yes. Did Will Smith's toe hit it?

39:43Rich Eisen:And then the Pahez moment catching the ball over Kike Hernandez. Yeah. That was a Savannah Bananas moment right there. You got me nervous just thinking about that again. Dude. Yeah. Hey, what a pleasure to meet you. Congratulations on everything going down with you and your baseball career. And I love that you confirmed that the competition, the competitor, outranks the entertainer when the game's on the line. You're not backflipping. Oh, yeah. You're going to make the catch. I'll backflip if I know I'll catch it. Ah, I love it. Sometimes that's the case. Coach rec, everybody. And you're the co-founder of the Not Your Average Baseball Camp.

40:19Rich Eisen:Tell me about that before I let you go here. Sure, yeah. Yeah. My friend Ange and I got that idea in 2022. I was making content online and I was like, you know, I want to make a difference in these kids lives. Yes. So we hosted a camp. We actually had it out here in Orange County and and we loved it. What we learned there was like, OK, the coaches might have had even more fun than the kids. And, you know, you said this earlier. Kids want to see adults act like kids. And so at these camps, we got one of our coaches, Coach Ballgame, and he'll put a coach against a kid in an attaboy challenge where you have to yell attaboy louder than the previous yell.

40:55So you have a coach yelling attaboy at a kid's face and a kid yelling attaboy back. We have so much fun. We play banana ball. We teach baseball and the fundamentals, like the legitimate stuff. But more than anything, we want the kids to have permission to be kids again. We had our most recent camp in Texas, and between our two camps, we had 1 ,000 kids out. So we're planning next year's right now, but we just want to make the game fun and really pour into the next generation. Attendance through the roof.

41:25Rich Eisen:You have a spot here any time you want to come in, man. Congrats. Honestly, normally I'd like to make sure I'm beyond locked out, 100 % prepped. I had no idea that was you in that video with your dad, but I do remember seeing it when it came out, And I'm like, this is just what it's all about. Yeah. And it's such a pleasure to meet you and hearing your stories. And congrats on your baby on the way. Yeah. Oh, thanks, brother. Praise God. You won't be acting like a kid anymore. Coach back here on the Rich Eisen Show. We're back to wrap this up in a second.

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43:43Rich Eisen:Ladies and gentlemen, O'Shea Jackson Jr. Thank you. How annoying that literally the next October it was Dodgers versus Yankees in the world. I know. And then Dodgers, Blue Jays again. I've won every single time since I had that argument with that guy. Praise O'Ton. Praise O'Ton. In the streets of Studio City. Good to see you. Good to see you, man. Can you see me through those? Oh, absolutely. They're cheap. But, you know, you're a certain echelon. They make everything look expensive. Listen to me. Who's on no contest wrestling? Oh, it's just me and TJ yapping away. But we got a lot to yap about.

44:29Rich Eisen:And we have our fan base that likes us yapping. So thank goodness for them. We like that. We like that. Also, today is my big brother Daryl's birthday. So I want to give a shout out to my big brother Daryl, the coolest man on the face of the earth. Okay. Happy birthday, man. I love you. Outstanding. My favorite Daryl story of all time is one day he told a 13-year-old O'Shea Jackson Jr. you're, hey, you know Dad was in a group before West Side Connection, right? To which he replied, no, I didn't. Is that right? And tell me about NWA and all of the shenanigans of young Dad, which is scary. You should guess 13.

45:07Rich Eisen:You had no idea. I mean, I'm very biased still to this day. I got a favorite member. But, yeah, I mean, like I knew whispers, but, you know, you don't really care. You're a kid. You know, I didn't realize how cool my dad was until my teenager. Well, it's a credit to your dad. Yeah, actually. Yeah, because if I was in NWA, my kids would know it. That's it. They would know it. Yeah, man. That's a credit to Pops. That's awesome. You know what you should get your brother for his birthday is a huge-ass tortoise. You can find one of those? Oh, man. Bro, he's the tortoise giver. Oh, you mean, oh, he doesn't need one.

45:46Rich Eisen:No, no, no, no. He's got that on lock. He's about to have a baby in 17 days. 17 days? The tortoise? No, no, no. My niece will be here. So he's stressed. Not like me, though. Is it his first? No, it was his second. It's like a year apart. What's he stressed about? Because now he's going to have the two-year-old with the brand-new baby, and it's going to be crazy in there. I'm around kids all the time in this studio. Yeah, look at him. I mean, you know. Seriously. We don't need change, though. What? He just called us a family, guys. Relax. Everybody relax. Whoa, he got so tense. I know. It's the holidays.

46:30Rich Eisen:It's the holidays, man. People get stressed. I guess this work environment is hostile after all. I heard you guys had a, the chair feels like a liar was sitting in. The host of the liar, liar, pants on fire edition of the Rich Eisenchair referring to Seth Rollins. Yeah, man. We'll be discussing that. Okay. In a few hours. Okay. There's a wrestler looking for you, but I wouldn't let him find you. All right. Well, we're out of time. That's a cliffhanger. Okay. We're going to have to talk about that on the Disney Plus only segment. The radio. And hopefully, to wrap up the show, you'll see me tomorrow.

47:08Rich Eisen:I got to have my head on a swivel. I had no idea. Thanks for listening to the Rich Eisen Show podcast. You can watch and listen to the Rich Eisen Show live weekdays from noon to 3 Eastern on ESPN Radio, Disney Plus and on the ESPN app. The Rich Eisen Show, the podcast.

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