Hour 3: Kentucky Derby-Winning Trainer Cherie DeVaux, plus ‘The Boys’ Star Laz Alonso In-Studio

23:44Rich Eisen:The Rich Eisen Show podcast. Not as the butt of a joke. Not as a punchline. Right. But to show that what they deal with on a day-to-day basis is anchored in true life trauma. And the interesting part about his character arc is that this season, when he finally let go of the need to control, the need to live, the need to survive, he's freer than he's ever been. And that's why he's living the way he is, smoking cigars. He's free to have a drink. He's actually enjoying the ride for the first time in five seasons. Mother's Milk, the man who plays him. Laza Lonzo is here on The Rich Eisen Show. We just saw a clip to our radio audience that just rejoined us.

24:29Rich Eisen:The series finale is just around the corner, May 20th. The Boys, which has been on for five seasons. You can catch seasons one through four on Prime Video right here on The Rich Eisen Show. I mean, there's so many different ways to go with you with your character here, since you're the ones that are trying to finally vanquish the soups, right? You're finally trying to rid the Earth of what the rest of Earth looks as heroic characters. You had a soup here last week, by the way. I already know. I know we did. I can still smell them. I should. Smells like fish in here. Well, we asked Chase, like, how many times did he have to tell his loved ones, don't watch this week?

25:11Rich Eisen:Have you ever had those? You know, I'm going to tell you, Chase has been one of my favorite, his character. Yes, the deep. Has been one of my favorite to watch, the deep. on the show, he's had a lot of scenes by himself. And it's just been so fun to see what he's done with them. Right. With me, I've had a lot of scenes with characters that are extremely large in certain parts of their body. My mom has seen those scenes. She was not terribly impressed with my work. But yeah, man, I mean, it's one of those shows that you never think when you're going after a role or in this business, hoping to one day get a job, that you're going to be able to do such crazy stuff.

25:58And I'm proud to say, you know, it's a check off my list to say I've been able to do that.

26:04Rich Eisen:You know, I'm fortunate doing what I do for a living. And, you know, my mom being a longtime Jewish mother from Brooklyn, she loves doting on some of the things I do. I've never once had a car up and say, Mom, I'm going to battle it out with love sausage. So, you know, beware. So my mom's an old Cuban lady. So you can imagine, you know, for her, it's Cuban sausage, salchicha. You know, she calls me mama leche in Spanish. That's mother's milk. Yeah. So, I mean, the jokes are never ending. But but yeah, man, I mean, listen, you got to be able to laugh at yourself. Sure. and uh and for us uh that's the one part of the storyline that takes the the air out of it yeah yeah to lighten up the subject matter otherwise this guy would just be tortured 24 7 now i i hear you on that front but you've been an avatar yes okay so you're used to performing in a way where you have to imagine what's happening the og avatar right avatar one avatar one correct exactly So what's more difficult to perform in Avatar or figure out what it's like to act in a fight scene with an individual nicknamed Love Sausage?

27:22Let's see. So I was fighting against the human race in Avatar. Yes, sir. And I have progressed in my career to fight against a large member of the human race in The Boys. I'll say they're both equally challenging yes sir I'm going to hold off on saying how satisfied how satisfying I was it was at the end of each fight I'll bet so but they were both very memorable unforgettable

27:59Rich Eisen:memorable did you pick up on that one? I saw that, the quotations, the air quotes the air quotes right there But this show is it really is, as I mentioned last week, not to repeat it, but again, you're here that there's no show that makes me laugh out loud and also scream and curse out loud because it's so shocking, gory. It's also funny. It's also scary. It's also frightening. It's also something that speaks of our times. And what can you tell people about how it ends that you're able to sort of drop a breadcrumb at all? because we just had on our show the lead baseball reporter for ESPN, the insider, Jeff Passan, when he saw he was sitting there for the show open for hour two and he saw that you're joining.

28:46Rich Eisen:And he's a big fan of yours and a big fan of your. He's basically, before we even talk baseball, he goes, he's afraid that your character is going to eat it. Yeah. And so you must hear that a lot. You know, there's a ton of also fan theories based on the clip that you just showed. Yes. On what I meant by that. At the end of that monologue, when I say what we both know I need to do, it's great to be able to see and hear all these different fan theories of what's happening. But I'd say the one thing that my character, I think, wants to communicate to the audience is that it's a superhero show, but you don't need to have superpowers to be powerful.

29:27You can be powerful just by using your voice, just by standing your ground and speaking truth to power. That's where our power lies. And never forget that and never give that up. So, MM, whether something happens, who knows? We'll see. We got three episodes to see what happens to him or with him. but the one thing that he's always going to be is powerful and representing the the people who on the surface may appear not to be powerful but when you're together and when you unite

30:04Rich Eisen:you're unstoppable i could see this affects you emotionally just even talking about it it does i mean you take this allegory very seriously listen i grew up in dc in the in the 80s and 90s didn't grow up with any you know a lot of money or anything like that yes and for me this show represents a lot of what I stood for and what I learned growing up and that's that you can achieve whatever you put your mind to you just can't give up you're gonna get knocked down but as long as you don't get knocked out get up keep fighting so who was your superhero as a kid Doug Williams Doug Williams was definitely my superhero as a kid.

30:44Who else? Commanders fan, John Riggins.

30:46Rich Eisen:Riggins. Number 44, the Diesel. Yeah. Used to run all over Dallas Cowboys into the ground. We would destroy them. Why would you choose that team in particular, lad? You know, I feel a little heat behind me on set. And I just had to cool the situation off a little bit. Sure. It seems like you're actually lighting it. A little bit. Okay. A little bit. But you know what? But it's fun, man. I mean, I still give props to Jerry Jones and that organization. The way they manipulated the draft and moved up and then got picks and let go of it. I mean, the guy plays the draft like he's playing John Madden.

31:24But I'm happy that we also have some adults in the room now with Adam Peters. Yes. Dan Quinn, who was here recently. Yeah, he was. Great interview with you and Dan. Thanks. And I feel like we're in good hands as well as an organization.

31:37Rich Eisen:Well, I mean, Jaden Daniels, he's got superpowers himself, it seems. He does. He does. Like, if he was a soup, you know, obviously Mother's Milk would want him untouched. But I think his superpower is his even-keelness. For sure. That you can't tell whether he's up or he's down. And for somebody at such a young age and at the beginning of his career, That is as much of his unicorn status as his physical play. Absolutely. He's always smiling. Right. And that shows a tremendous amount of poise in him, even at this young stage of his game. Right. What I am happy is that I feel like the team is making some very non-splashy but good investments in helping his long-term growth.

32:31Rich Eisen:Mm-hmm. his first season was a Cinderella season. Oh, my God. You had every right to think you were going to the Super Bowl that year. I mean, we almost did. I know you did. You know, but we were the cardiac commanders for a reason. Oh, that's right. You know, it was like the reason why we got that far were heroics. But you can't build a long-term winning strategy off heroics. Right. And I think we're making the right investments in our defense and help on the offensive line to protect them. Yep. He's not the biggest guy. Right. And so it's just things that I really feel secure in the hands that we're in with the leadership that we currently have.

33:12Rich Eisen:Well, Sonny Stiles being drafted in the first round this year. I'm a Michigan guy, so I'm biased as well. Mike Sanders still in the back end of that defense. He's a champion. He's a leader. Yep. And obviously, you know, they had Bobby Wagner last year, Von Miller as well. That's going to be some leadership if they don't come back. that's going to need to be somehow fulfilled. But just protect Jaden Daniels at all costs. Absolutely. Protect Jaden Daniels. And listen, what we may lack in experience will make up for it in athleticism and speed. Right. And I think with Dan Quinn, who we know is going to be a lot more involved this season with two new coordinators, he's going to have to be more involved.

33:54You know, I love the way Andy Reid coaches because he never lets his hand completely off the wheel. Right. And I think that is what Dan Quinn's going to have to be this season at least, is he's going to have to be very, very involved with these new offensive and defensive coordinators and make sure that he coaches everybody up. And he's done it before. So I trust him.

34:19Rich Eisen:And, you know, a fan of yours for quite some time, Southland was a terrific show. Oh, yeah. Had a lot of fun on that show. That's a long time ago. I understand that. For sure. Were you in the practice as well? I did the practice. I did Breakout Kings. I've been around for a while. I know you have. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's pretty cool that you're on the show and you're crushing it. I'll ask you the same question I asked Chase Crawford last week. What is your favorite scene from the boys that you were in as Mother's Milk? So I grew up watching this movie called The Adventures of Baron Munchausen. Of course.

34:51And I always wanted to one day end up inside of a whale. All right. And this show, season two, when I read that script and I realized that we were going to be crashing our boat inside of a whale, ridden by Chase Crawford, by the way. Okay. It was almost like God spoke to me like, you got your wish, kid. You know? And yeah, season two, you know, we're riding in a speedboat. We end up inside of this whale and we come out completely covered in blood. And that was some of the most fun I've ever had on a film set.

35:30Rich Eisen:Did nobody chase anybody else know that that was part of your growing up? We found out, like, it was like episode five, you know, and we get the scripts, you know, every month. Right. So we don't know what the next script's going to have. Right. And so when we got that surprise, I read it, and I was like, this can't be real. This can't be real. Right. Like, a whale, and sure enough, they had a 75-foot animatronic whale that they had built and dropped on a beach in Toronto in the middle of summer. And it was, you know, 95 and humid in Toronto and about 110 inside the well. And we had a blast, bro.

36:09We had a blast.

36:11Rich Eisen:And then you being into your character, as you clearly are, which soup do you, Laz Alonzo, want to kill the most? A soldier boy. Absolutely. So for sure. Yeah. Obviously, that's your character. but you and oh las you oh oh oh my man i was thinking mm no obviously we know mother's milk wants to take him out for sure but which one do you having watched and knowing this show from jump knows who deserves it it could still be soldier boy but who deserves it the most who would you want to say like when you didn't know at the time and you're reading the last few scripts You're like, I hope this one eats it.

36:51You know, because I've been playing this character for seven years of my life, he's my best friend. So I got to say Soulja Boy, just because I got to back him up. Does that make sense? Of course.

37:05Rich Eisen:I hear you. What he did to M.M., if anybody did that to one of my friends, they'd be my enemy too. I got to get Homelander out though. Yeah, I mean, Homelander's bad. but his dad's worst I get it I just I don't know I don't want to spoil too much but I still can't get over the airplane oh yeah that's true that was one of those moments where I'm like this show is off the rails but if you want to know like about how the differences between what people think of the soups and what they really are in real life, that moment right there, I'm like, he's got to eat it for me. Absolutely. Got to get him out.

37:51He showed us that just because you have powers doesn't mean you're going to use them for good. Oh, boy. Tell me about it.

38:00Rich Eisen:Another allegory for our time. There you go. It is great to see you, Liza Lonzo. Congrats again on everything with the boys. Thanks. You're welcome here whenever you want. Certainly if you're going to give TJ smoke, we'll take it. I appreciate it. I appreciate it. TJ, I will see you in November, brother. Let's do this. Well, I mean, I don't know. Could be sooner, right? Commanders and Cowboys open against each other. Yeah, I mean, opening week, a nice easy dub to start the season would be great. You need to settle all family business, okay? Me? Carl Anthony Towns loves to troll TJ because he's an Eagles fan.

38:30Oh, yeah.

38:32Rich Eisen:Who's the Giant fan that loves to take you? We don't have one, really. Is there a Giant fan on the show, a celebrity Giant fan that loves to take you on? Not really. You don't have one. Not really. Well, that's, you know, someone can apply for the job. Sure. They all appear when the Giants are winning. So they haven't appeared in a while. Okay. I like the commander's smoke that is being delivered right now by Mother's Milk. Hi, Moxie. Laz Alonzo, at Laz Official on Instagram. The final season of The Boys, new episodes releasing every Wednesday. The final one is on May the 20th. Seasons one through four can be streamed whenever you darn well please on Prime Video.

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40:47the rich eisen show the podcast return to the rich eisen show sherry devoe the kentucky derby

40:54Rich Eisen:winning trainer is joining us here on the rich eisen show after golden temple went from last to first and so again your reaction to it when when did you realize that this was feasible here like it was happening for you? Well, when he made his run, I thought he's coming, he's moving. He has a lot of a full head of steam when he's making his run. I picked him up at about the 316th pole, the top of the stretch. And, you know, he's a lightly race cult and he can get a little goofy. So I was worried when he came to Renegade and Irad that he might kind of idle or want to hang with his buddy. So, you know, it wasn't up until he got to the wire and had his nose out in front that I really could comprehend that he had won.

41:49Rich Eisen:Can you give a little bit more detail to that? Because obviously, you know, the story with Renegade and the jockeys is now more well known. But you as a trainer were thinking your goofy horse might just want to just turn the Kentucky Derby into a little joy ride with a pal. Like, is that what you're really thinking? No, no, it's just in the moment you're you're I was encouraging them on and excited because I hope, you know, I see them going. And this is all in retrospect, right? Like, please keep going. And there were a couple of times I had horses that had just missed this last week that just kind of came up or a horse got to them and the horse was maybe too far outside so they wouldn't engage and keep going.

42:32You know, because there's a lot going on and there's a lot of noise. There's a lot of cameras and the horses, you know, they are running, but they can be easily distracted by everything.

42:41Rich Eisen:And who were you with? Who were the people that were watching the race with you, Sherry? On my right side is Steve Bick, who's a career-long friend of mine, very close friend. My best friend, Elise Jacobs. And then my assistant, Olivia, and my stepdaughter, Reagan. My husband and I rarely watch races together. Why is that? Because if it goes bad, we need our space. So we can collect our thoughts instead of bouncing them off of each other when they're negative. Okay. And so the moment where you then see Golden Tempo, what was that like for you after it was all over and the roses were delivered?

43:26Rich Eisen:It was surreal. I started my career at Churchill Downs 22 years ago. and to think that I'm standing there in the hollowed ground on the infield of the racetrack was just overcoming of all kinds. You know, it's amazing. I'm so proud of Golden Tempo first and Jose helped, you know, he got him there and then just depth of gratitude to my staff, my assistant trainers, you know, all the ground help. and I was just so excited for the ownership group of St. Elias Stables and Phipps Stables. Well, this video that I also saw, because there's so many different videos over the last 48 hours I've seen, this one caught my eye.

44:14Rich Eisen:Your relationship with Golden Tempo, what are we seeing right now? I'm a hands-on trainer and I just love interacting with the horses. He's one horse, but I try to play with as many as I can every day. I'm a 44-year-old little horse girl at heart, but I'm just so proud of him. And he's got this wonderful personality where a lot of three-year-old cults will take your arm off if you try to do that, but he just takes it all in and kind of is a little bit of a ham about it all. Why is your profession so male-dominated, Sherry? That is a good question. and I'm not quite sure how to answer that. I don't feel it's a sexist thing.

44:58I understand that women trainers are underrepresented, but there are a whole lot of women that work in the industry and they are the backbone of a lot of staples. So, you know, I'm just not sure why a lot of females just are not at the next level. It's scary. It's overwhelming. It's a tough industry to break into, male or female. and I'm hoping that I did it and hopefully a lot more will follow suit.

45:28Rich Eisen:So is it because some horse owners are not trusting or what is it? Like what's the glass ceiling here that you may have just broken? I'm trying to figure that out. I'm the same as well. Again, when I started, I started back at zero. came from top training. I was the assistant trainer for Chad Brown. We were top in the country at that point. And I, I again, had to rebuild myself. Nothing was given to me. I started back at zero and rebuilt my stable and kept trudging along. I don't know. I, I don't want to, I'm going to address the elephant in the room. I don't, I have a stepdaughter, Reagan. I don't have any children of my own.

46:17So, and that was by choice, because I chose to put a career instead of having, you know, my own family. And that was early on, because I'm one of those people, I'm going to give everything my all. So I felt maybe if I, if I had a couple children, I would feel like if I, my career would take away from that. And if I were with my children, I feel like my career would take, it would take away from my career. And that's just my thinking. You know, I have a ton of respect for any working mother, you know, and I do, I have Reagan, she's my stepdaughter, but it's a bit of a unique situation. She's, David is very active.

46:58We're both very active, but you know, I also can travel and do without feeling like I have to be tied down to home.

47:05Rich Eisen:Well, congratulations on the Derby. You know, the next final question here is what about Pimlico? What about the Preakness? What do we have, Sherry? So we're tabling that for the end of the week. All of our runners get about five days of really easy days, three walk days. They go to the track and jog. And then we'll assess his energy level when he starts back galloping, which will be Thursday and Friday. So we'll make it, you know, we'll, we'll, the ownership group and I will talk between now and then, but we're going to let him dictate that decision. Well, I appreciate you taking the time here.

47:38Rich Eisen:Thank you. Cause I know you're really busy and And in advance, you know, we produce Women's Sports Now in conjunction with a whole bunch of our partners. I know you're on that show Thursday. I look forward to seeing you getting a little bit more time there. Thank you. Appreciate it. Thank you for having me on. You bet. That's Sherry DeVoe. She's one and all. Ladies and gentlemen, before we go, just letting you know about the Hyundai Palisade Hybrid. Up to an EPA estimated 619 miles of range on select trims, advanced tech, class leading interior space. Because when you're hauling kids, gear, snacks and backpack space matters.

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