Hour 3: Live at the NFL Combine with Nick Sirianni, John Schneider, plus Overreaction Wednesday

16:29John Schneider:Brian Fleury, really cool background. His dad was a seven-time state champion in Maryland. He played quarterback, called defensive. He was a defensive coordinator, calling defensive plays at Sacred Heart when he was like 24, 25 years old. Yeah. He's primarily been on the defensive side. Really cool background. Mike Pettin. Shoot, a bunch of guys. And then defensive side of the ball with Robert Sala and that group in San Fran. And then Kyle moved him to the offense. He's never called plays before, though. Just a really... But you're good? Defensive plays, yeah. Talking about offensive plays is what I'm saying.

17:10John Schneider:Yeah, no, no. And you went out of house for it, too? Yeah, it was really more about... Like, yes, Brian did an amazing job in his interview, but, you know, like the collective of the whole group, trying to keep that whole group together, it's difficult. You know, when you lose an offensive coordinator to be head coach at that time of the season.

17:27Rich Eisen:Well, you couldn't take enough from the San Francisco 49ers? You take the division, you take their one seed, you take their stadium, you took their locker room. Jeez. Come on now, man. Jeez, man. You know, you completed the dream for the Seahawks fans, right? Are you aware of that? Which is you take care of the Niners. You take care of the Rams. You avenge the Patriot loss. And you do it in the home of the San Francisco 49ers and celebrate in the locker room of the 49ers.

17:55John Schneider:Those two Rams games had to be some of the best games of the season. Dude, that week 16 game?

18:00Rich Eisen:Yeah. Unbelievable. And your coach was kind enough to join my show the day after. Oh, awesome, yeah. Which is good. And I'm glad you guys don't hold grudges. No. No, no. Because I remember I was the guy. I was sitting there on my set. took all the Pete stuff down and he's creating his own thing. I'm like, I don't know about that. I was wrong. That was a little overrated. I know that. You told me that and I'm mea culpa. Clearly, this guy knows exactly what the heck he was doing. He didn't erase the whole thing. Pay a little bit of homage to the past.

18:31John Schneider:We moved him upstairs. No, I got it. We put together every Seahawk win. That's a pretty neat deal. That is a pretty neat deal.

18:39Rich Eisen:By the way, that sounds like a Pete phrase. Pretty neat deal. Yeah. It sounds like. Cool. People ask, cool. Cool. That would be cool. Hey, man, pretty cool watching you do your thing. Congratulations to you. Thanks a lot. You know how I feel about you. Same. Same, brother. Thanks for having me. And thanks again. Congratulations on winning the Super Bowl, sir. Thanks, man. You got it. That's John Schneider right here on the Rich Eisen Show. Don't go anywhere. We're back with more in our second day. Nick Sirianni, speaking of hoisting a trophy, is coming up next. The Rich Eisen Show podcast.

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21:04Rich Eisen:Your home may be worth more than you think. Find out how much at airbnb.com slash host. Plus our ESPN radio audience is returning. Nick Sirianni is here hanging with us. So I'll ask you the question I asked Howie Roseman on Tuesday's show. Do you like the drama in Philadelphia? Do you like it?

21:29Nick Sirianni:Like, you know, there's so many things that you have to be able to block. You have to be able to block out things in this league. I don't care if you're in Philadelphia, Buffalo, wherever it may be, Indianapolis, it doesn't matter. There's always going to be a distraction, whether it's – and there's always going to be ups and downs within your life. There's always going to be ups and downs within a football season. And your job is to – I always say to the players, like, our job – what were we taught as – me and I got done talking about Michigan basketball. Yes. But when we were young in the game of basketball, we were taught to when we went to the free throw line and there was distraction here and a distraction there and a distraction there and the game was on the line and you had to make your shot your job was to focus on the process your job was to focus we were taught hey focus on the dribble what was your dribble routine mine was one breath let's shoot I don't know what yours is do you remember

22:25Rich Eisen:no I didn't have a routine I've never had a routine in my entire life about anything but keep going

22:32Nick Sirianni:What was Ramil Robinson's? I want to actually know that. That one was definitely something.

22:37Rich Eisen:He was focused on the process. Oh, my God. He was hoping, at least in that one.

22:41Nick Sirianni:And so your job is to focus on the process in the midst of everything. And it is a good, you know, whether you're going through good times or you're going through bad times, you've got to focus on the process because that's what gives you the best opportunity to win each week. Well, it's the same thing when the crowd's going crazy and you're in the midst of a Super Bowl game or an NFC championship game. your job is to focus on the process and what you can control and go after that yeah i did but i

23:06Rich Eisen:mean for this analogy it seems like in philadelphia you know certainly in the last few years it's like a distraction when you're shooting a free throw when you're shooting a jump shot when you're trying to sit on the bench when you're trying to hear your coach it's it seems to be non-stop and do you sometimes sit go i just wish it was just a rocking chair here you know what i mean

23:28Nick Sirianni:You know what? We've won a lot of games with it being ups and downs. And I wouldn't trade our success for anybody. We've had a lot of success. We've been able to get to the top of the mountain in my first five years here and an opportunity to play it in the game and another portion of it. And so it works for us. It works for us, and our job is to be able to block out everything, focus on the process, and be able to go to work and do it.

23:57Rich Eisen:It just seems that there's always, like I said, something going on with your team and that there's always a question of like, what is going on there?

24:07Nick Sirianni:And I think that, you know, you can only again, as you listen and like my job, again, is to focus on what we're doing there and the relationships that you have and not what is perceived of what's going on. Right. I think there's that can happen a lot. Like, hey, here's what we think's going on there. Well, you know, people in the building are the only ones that really know, you know, day in, day out. And so you can only judge the interactions that you have with your guys on a daily basis. Like I said, we're able to block out everything and be able to truly focus, zero in, and focus on the process to be able to put ourselves in best position to win each Sunday.

24:47Nick Sirianni:Now, we weren't able to do that this year. At the end of each year, there's one team that's happy at the end of each. And, you know, our opportunity to be happy was after last year. And now, you know, we're back at this. And, you know, we're like everybody else coming in and hungry to do it again.

25:02Rich Eisen:Well, again, I say on this show all the time, I think your quarterback is the perfect guy for Philadelphia and for a situation where there's always something up because he never adds a drop of fuel to the fire. Like ever once. And it can kind of frustrate fans like to want to know why was there a struggle on offense here? Why was it so difficult to get A.J. Brown the ball? Why didn't Saquon get the ball? And he'll just say the same things like he did after winning with four touchdowns. And he never adds any fuel to the fire. He's consistent. Is he that way behind the scenes as well?

25:40Nick Sirianni:He comes to work every single day completely locked in on what he needs to do to help his team win and bring the team together each and every week. And so, yeah, he just so locked into doing his job and to continually to get better at the job. And that's what you want. I mean, that's what we're looking for in players here. These guys that love this game so much, that are tough, that have high football IQ, and that's all the things Jalen has. And that's why you continue to see him win football games and play good football as a quarterback for the Philadelphia Eagles.

26:17Rich Eisen:Well, I mean, in the number of times that I've gotten to meet him and interview him, the one time he let anything slip, the one time, was when I was interviewing him for NFL Network game day morning prior to your Super Bowl win last year. And I said to him, you know, you've got another offensive coordinator this year, and it was Kellen Moore, and I'm like, everyone knew that he was walking. He was going to get a gig. I'm like, you're going to get one next year. And he said, tell me about it. is what he said and it kind of like just a little bit of a glimmer of like here he goes again now sean mannion's another offensive corner i'm sure you've seen this like i think shane steikin is the only coordinator he's had in back-to-back years of his entire career since high school and I'm wondering how you try to help handle the the constant change at the offensive spot how do you handle the consistency aspect you know obviously the consistency is Jalen and I right

27:22Nick Sirianni:you know and so being able to you know kind of when Jalen's not in there you know throughout this time right now to be able to say hey here's what he's we've done well in the past let me take you through some of these things because that's the consistency part and just because an offense changes like there's some things you can do too to try to keep some verbiage as similar as you can year in year out i think i read about that with with coach saban who went through a lot of different you know different coordinators were like hey his his his theory one of the things that i've always remembered seeing was hey we're going to keep terminology as as close to as possible as we can when it's when it's eight where you're able to do that so you try to do that with that right you try to keep elements of things like of what you've done well in the past and sprinkle that into some of the new things um you know because we've had a lot of success uh you know with jalen uh behind the you know behind the center and and being able to mix some of those things into some of those things that we're bringing in and and uh with sean and um continuing to evolve i think it is like hey man this is what we want to do we want to change because we think this is going to be best for our football team but you still have elements of hey this is what's worked well and you try to add and keep those consistent is he gonna you got the same terminology is what you're saying there's going to be a lot there's going to be things that are similar terminology because at the end of the day sean and our the new coaches have to learn it because in the heat of the moment when jalen's going up there to maybe check a play right you want him to bam right at right at the thing so terminology again it's just a matter of what you call three by one what you call three by one with this guy in this position what you call three by one with a bunch and then changing these guys around so you try to keep things as systematic as possible and and for our offense keep it you know being able to keep some of the things similar terminology

29:09Rich Eisen:wise if you don't mind me going down this road of narratives here about what is the case and what isn't it was there gear grinding with jalen hurts not wanting to run the offense that kevin petulo was putting in there or he just didn't want it he didn't like it he was doing his own thing he was

29:27Nick Sirianni:going rogue i mean we're jalen it will always do whatever he needs to do to win each and every football game and i think you've seen him like do things like in you know let's say 2022 or you know he's passing for all those yards running for a lot of yards um you know scoring a lot of touchdowns and then in 20 you know go to a super bowl and then that that system and that style looks completely different. I wouldn't say completely different. There were still elements of that offense that were still there. But Jalen took a backseat to Saquon and made plays when handed the ball off. Saquon made a lot of plays.

30:05Nick Sirianni:When Jalen needed to make plays, he made plays. I think all I've ever seen from Jalen Hurts is to do everything he can do to win each and every football game. It kind of bothers you when there's a narrative out like that. It bothers me. let me rephrase that sure yeah when there's a narrative out like that it's like well he didn't want to do this or he didn't want to do that that's that kind of be more further from the truth jalen is a great team player and all again like i said one just wants to win um and not worried about anything else other than winning and i respect the heck out of that and so you know that's why i'd be able to kind of fight back on that narrative right here because my interactions with jalen on a daily basis for the past five years is a guy who's a winner who will do anything to win and and you know for his teammates and his coaches and aj brown the number of times that he

30:54Rich Eisen:would post something and then take it down and then be at his locker and saying i didn't have anything that that's not the way i feel then you would have to go on your radio show and you go in front of the podium and the media media is asking you is there anything wrong with aj brown's relationship what what can you say about i can say yeah i can say i love aj brown okay i love him

31:17Nick Sirianni:and I love the obviously I love the talent that he is as a player but I love the person I love the teammate and man he's contributed so many big time plays and big time moments and big time seasons I think he's the first eagle for 4 ,000 yard receiving years in a row and so again you can only base their speculation from the outside And that's why it's so important that we focus on our process and not the things we can't control. Because all you can control is your daily interactions. And all my daily interactions with these guys have been positive. Now you have your ups and your downs as any season and any brother or any family goes through.

32:03Nick Sirianni:Even in Super Bowl winning seasons. Even in Super Bowl winning seasons. I know what do they do, the show on NFL Network. Yeah.

32:11Rich Eisen:The recap of the year. Every single, there will be one in Seattle and there's one for you. Sure. I think you highlight the good things. America's game, it's called. And there's always a moment in a season where things are falling off or to pot or whatever, and it's not going well. Every team has that. I totally understand. It's just we're constantly trying to fill a void in your world of why something isn't going as well as it should in the estimation of people.

32:42Nick Sirianni:And this is a tough league. It's hard to win. it's hard to sustain success. Right. And so I'm really proud of the fact that we have set this expectation of, hey, they should win the Super Bowl or go to the Super Bowl every year because we've won and we've done a lot of these good things. You know, but again, it's about the journey. It's about the process. And it's about being able to block out anybody's expectations. Our expectations for ourselves is higher than anybody's expectations can be for us. And so our goal is just to focus on the process as we go through it and be able to block out anything because it is.

33:23Nick Sirianni:Throughout a year, there's going to be ups, there's going to be downs. And each week within the NFL, it's talked like, hey, they won the game. Hey, they're the best team in the world, the big game. Hey, you lost the game. This is the worst team. How many times did I hear about the Patriots in 2010 to 2018? They'd lose one game and be like, they're done. They're done. I mean, a million times. Yeah, and it's like, and so you try to learn from those experiences, and you learn from the ups, and then they won, and man, they're the best team they're going to be ready to go. So it's, again, just being able to, through the marathon of a season and through the ups and downs of the season, and if you let yourself get outside of your building and your interactions with your guys, it will feel like a roller coaster because it is a roller coaster outside there, and our job is to stay locked in and focused on what we're doing.

34:09Rich Eisen:Yet you made a headline on Tuesday with your podium where you said you couldn't guarantee whether A.J. Brown's back next year.

34:14Nick Sirianni:Yeah, it's funny how when someone asks you a question sometimes, like, is he going to be back? And it's like, listen, I get it, guys. So I know what we're trying to do here. And it's like I can only say I love A.J. Brown. Right. He is a great teammate. He is a great football player. And, like, you don't go in. I don't, like, when is that? Have you ever heard me say, I guarantee we win this game. I guarantee we do. You don't do that in this league. And so when it's kind of put that way, you're just like, I'm getting asked an impossible question whether I answer it this way or that way. And so you just go and, again, all I'll say is I love A.J.

34:51Nick Sirianni:Brown and I love the player. I love the person. Man, I'm really grateful for the relationship I have with him. That's why you get into this. You get into this for the relationships. You get into this to help guys achieve goals that they want to be able to achieve as a coach and be a servant leadership for them. And so, man, I can't say I love that relationship that I have with them.

35:19Rich Eisen:Yeah, you almost, in your answer at your podium, went full Kyle Shanahan, which is like, hey, Sunday we could all be out and we could all be dead. You almost went full Kyle Shanahan. Like, I can't guarantee anything. We could all be gone by the weekend. So do you still like doing it? I love it. You do? I love it. Like you're energized, you're ready to roll?

35:39Nick Sirianni:Yeah, you know what? The moment I don't have the energy that I have to wake up every day and to say, man, I get to be a head football coach in the NFL. I get to coach football in the NFL. I get to coach. Really, it comes down to I get to coach football. I love this game. Right. This is the moment I shouldn't be doing it anymore. And, man, I love it. I love the process. There's nothing like being able to set a vision for a football team and be able to try to, you know, kind of iron through that each and every day for an entire year to see if you can accomplish the ultimate goal. And you just try to get better every day within it.

36:19Nick Sirianni:And I love that because there's always it's a constant growth thing. The moment you think, man, we're pretty good is the moment you're going to be humbled. and it's just constantly trying to find ways to get better so you're playing your best football by the end of the year. I love it because I think at the end of the day, I'm 44 years old and I'm still a part of a team, right? I got a team at home with my wife and my kids and I love that team. But I'm still a part of a team at 44 years old and that's pretty awesome because I love being a part of football. I love football and I love being part of a team because you're all going after the same goal.

36:57Nick Sirianni:And that's pretty special.

36:59Rich Eisen:And I don't take that for granted. Awesome. If we finish up this conversation with just a bit of quiet, you might... I don't hear it. I don't hear anything coming out of the competition committee room about banning the tush push. Isn't that interesting? That is interesting, yeah. Did you take notice of apparently nobody's pushing to get rid of your play here? Yeah.

37:21Nick Sirianni:You know, we have to do some things to coach it better. We have to do some things to execute it better. But it's been a fun play. I mean, they're making commercials about it and stuff like that. I got T-shirts and sweatshirts for it, you know. And so it's an exciting play. And why do you think it's exciting? Well, first of all, it happens always on a time where it can be third and one or fourth and one. That's a turnover on downs. or in the red zone where it looks to be a touchdown. There hasn't been many times we've run it on first and goal, or first and 10. And so it's kind of an interesting time of when it comes up.

37:58Nick Sirianni:Stakes are high. Stakes are high. And, man, it's like this team knows what's coming, and that team knows what's coming, and let's go. And I think there's a beauty to that. And so, yeah, we'll see how it goes. I'm not counting that it is in. I'm not counting that it's not in. We'll play by the rules that are whatever it is.

38:15Rich Eisen:But why do you think there's less of a problem with it this year than apparently left?

38:20Nick Sirianni:I don't know. I'm not going to speculate on anything. I can speculate for you. I'm not going to speculate. You can speculate as much as you want. Okay.

38:30Rich Eisen:I mean, you're not beating people up with it and hosting a trophy this time around. If you do that again, maybe people will start complaining about it. We'll see. Yeah, we'll see. Okay. I don't want to get you in too much trouble. Thanks for taking the time here. Yeah, thanks for having me. Do I say go blue to you? I had no idea you were a Michigan basketball fan.

38:45Nick Sirianni:I mean, I don't know if I could, like, my wife's like, you didn't get, she went to Missouri, and she's like, you didn't even go there. You can't be like, but this is what, like, I don't watch Mount Union basketball. It's the same Block M.

38:54Rich Eisen:The Block M looks similar for Missouri and Michigan.

38:56Nick Sirianni:There you go. Yeah, so you can say that. I guess you can say that to me during basketball season. Hopefully I reach out to you in April and we can celebrate something. Well, it's an Indy. It's right here. I don't want to put expectations on, you know what I'm saying?

39:06Rich Eisen:I'll do it. Great to see you, Nick. All right, yeah. Nick Sirianni, the head coach of the Philadelphia Eagles, right here on the Rich Eisen Show from the Scouting Combine. Back in a moment. The Rich Eisen Show, the podcast.

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42:15Rich Eisen:Yep. Hour 2. Yep. And Hour 3. Hey, now! Sean Payton, Mike McDonald. And now we just said goodbye to Nick Sirianni with our Super Bowl winning general manager in between with our friend John Schneider. No contest wrestling coming out later on today. Overreaction Monday came out on Monday. So it's now time to finish up today's show with Overreaction Monday on a Wednesday. That was terrible. That was crap. That was garbage. This place sucks. Overreaction. Mondays. Monday. On a Wednesday. Oh, no. On a Wednesday. On a Wednesday. On a Wednesday. Not as great. Okay, here we go, guys.

42:56Nick Sirianni:Let's run through this pretty quick. We're here at the Combine. The most popular, famous thing that the guys will do is the 40-yard dash. Correct.

43:06Rich Eisen:Rich Eisen, the 40-yard dash would be so much better if it was a race between two or more. Yes. Let's make it happen. I've been saying that, man. It would be great. the problem that i think that they the scouts and everyone has is it's it's not an olympics it's just you versus the 40 yard dash line it's not a race that they think they'd be afraid that there might be more injuries why because guys are trying to push it a little bit yeah come on exactly it's like you always say golfing you're you're playing against yourself these guys are out here competing though come on i i this is not an overreaction records would go down i like it chris it's just not gonna happen what a bummer well i hate that rich make it happen okay you have the power like you'll just have to you'll just have to settle for me being samuel cam on top of actual i mean i'd love that it's a nice consolation prize uh all right so much talk about the quarterbacks and what the carousel and the market is going to look like yes uh in free agency and and we'll have you coming up right a backup quarterback from this past year yes is going to win a playoff game next year okay well i mean i'm talking about malik willis mac jones Tyson Bajant might get moved.

44:18Rich Eisen:Everyone's talking about how he, you know, the Bears have admitted that people are reaching out for him. I think he's proven in the time that he's gotten in the preseason that he can play in this league. Okay. One of those guys is going to want to play against him. I'll still call this an overreaction. How does that sound? I like it, Chris. Is Kirk Cousins a backup quarterback? No, we're going to talk about Kirk in a second. And when he leads the Vikings to the playoffs. Is Kirk Cousins a backup quarterback? Can you just wait a second? All right, sorry. Am I overreacting? Nah, give me two more topics.

44:47Rich Eisen:Okay, way to get it. Okay, so we're always looking for Malik Willis. He's the hot name in free agency. Correct. You know, people are saying he's going to get$30, maybe$40 million a year in his next deal. I hope so for him. Who is going to be the next guy, right? The next Sam Darnold. Okay. Right? And we think it's Malik Willis. Who's going to be the next Malik Willis, though? And I think that guy is going to be Anthony Richardson. Is going to be the next Malik Willis. at me. Why not? Which means what? He's a backup somewhere else? He might be a backup on his own team. I think he already is. Someone's going to make a move for him.

45:22Rich Eisen:By the way, he's going to end up being a follower. I've already said I think Mac Jones is the next Sam Don. He's already played for three teams, including the one that is credited for rehabilitating things and helping Donald reset San Francisco. Now, so he'll go to his fourth team at some point. Yeah, buddy. But wait a minute. That's where I'm going to go. So, Danny, it's crazy. Indiana Jones is not going to be ready for the beginning of the season. So, Anthony Richardson needs to go to Green Bay. Won't he be the starter, though? Why not? All right. What else you got over there? All right. Get to your cousin's one.

45:55Rich Eisen:Well, I want to get to the Cowboys first. All this talk about George Pickens and the franchise tag. We're going to talk to these guys the next couple days. You know what? The Cowboys, TJ, you know what they should do? They should roll the dice and pay George Pickens a top market contract. None of this one-year franchise may can prove it. He did prove it last year. Pay that man his money. I would not do that. I think that's an overreaction. How does that sound? Everyone from Pittsburgh is telling you that this thing is on an interesting ice. Let's put it that way. That guy just showed you what he could do as the number one.

46:29Rich Eisen:You saw when C.D. Lamb was out. To pay two receivers WR1 money, I just don't know. Both WR1s. Well, again, we've got Brian Schottenheimer tomorrow. He'll pass. He's just the coach. Stephen Jones is on Friday. We'll get the latest from him. We're kind enough to accept our invitation. Rich, I might sit in for that one tomorrow. All right, let's talk about Kirk. Kirk Cousins is going to make the playoffs next year, and all of his former teams will not. The Vikings won't. The Falcons won't. Washington won't. Get out of here. That is a hot one, man. That is an overreaction. No Washington. No Washington.

47:09Rich Eisen:And we don't even know where Cousins is going. I think we do, but anyway. The only former Kirk Cousins team that we know for sure is not making the playoffs next year is Michigan State. I knew you were going there. Wow. Oh, baby. What a spinning curve in the zone that was. That is no surprise. Hold on a minute. Let me see. Let me watch that tape measure. Yeah, there goes little brother. You like that one? I like that one. Uh-huh. I like that one. What else? So you got one more? Let's finish with this one. You saw what the UFL is doing, guys? Oh, yeah. They banned the tush push. They banned the tush push.

47:41Rich Eisen:You know what they also did? Well, yeah, the field goal. The NFL should follow the UFL's lead and make 60-plus-yard field goals worth four points. No, that's crazy. Why is that crazy? It is a weapon. It's getting too crazy. Why? Because it's too easy? It's getting too crazy. Listen, Dallas is going to end up paying Brandon Arbery$10 million, so you might as well. He wants more than that. This is the NFL, not the UFL, pal. this is a good idea I like it we'll dive into it a little bit more but I think that's an overreaction well good job guys thank you good job I appreciate you coming out the gate thanks for having no contest later today no contest wrestling later today thanks for listening to the Rich Eisen Show podcast you can watch and listen to the Rich Eisen Show live weekdays from noon to 3 Eastern on ESPN Radio Disney Plus and on the ESPN app the Rich Eisen Show the podcast

48:57Rich Eisen:We'll be right back.