Hour 3: Live from the NFL Combine with Caleb Downs, NFL Insider Ian Rapoport & Andrew Siciliano

13:24Rich Eisen:Okay.

13:24Andrew Siciliano:Well, he's only going to sign a one-year deal for nothing because he's already getting paid by the Dolphins. So they can use you, and you can use them. Go out, play well. However many games you win, you win. Jets have plenty of picks, plenty of picks. So they can get up and get whoever quarterback they want next year, win as many games as you can with Tua. If he rebuilds his stock, then he could be a starter for someone else next year. Same with Kyler, same thing.

13:48Rich Eisen:Right. Who are in the few minutes I have left with you here, sir? Franchise tag. from uh let's let's let's talk about it pickens one of them brees hall one of them

13:58Andrew Siciliano:brees hall my guess would be more transition tag than franchise tag okay um and kyle pitts we already know i don't know that there's going to be that many more the colts have a situation where they're going to they're either going to sign daniel jones to a long-term deal or they're going to franchise tag him. If they franchise tag him, then Alec Pierce is probably gone. And that's probably the most interesting, dramatic one. Because you got to keep your quarterback. Because if Daniel Jones is out there, that's a real starting quarterback for somebody. So the Colts got to keep him. And then Alec Pierce probably becomes receiver number one in free agency, said to make a lot of money.

14:43Yeah.

14:44Rich Eisen:You were saying on the show last week when you zoomed in from a ski chalet.

14:49Andrew Siciliano:Cannot believe that works.

14:50Rich Eisen:No, by the way, it sounded great. And I appreciate you doing it. That you said, get ready for Pierce to make a heck of a lot more money than you would think somebody.

15:02Andrew Siciliano:He's going to be, those are the best things in free agency, right? Well, best is when I break it.

15:06Rich Eisen:Nice. Just be clear.

15:07Andrew Siciliano:Or me and Tom. Also good. Yeah.

15:10Rich Eisen:Your Avenger friend.

15:11Andrew Siciliano:Yep. My Avenger friend. Yep. But the guys who, you know, it's hard to be a free agent. It's really hard. You got to not sign a deal that seems kind of good. Right. Lightning has to strike to get a great player to free agency. Yes, sir. And those guys who get to cash in, it's the coolest. It is life-changing money, and it is the coolest. And so, like, I'm looking forward to seeing some of that this year.

15:34Rich Eisen:Okay. And what's the one aspect? Give me a free agency surprise that we're not thinking of right now. No, God. What do you got for me?

15:44Andrew Siciliano:I do think there'll be a bunch of trades. You do? lot of trades for involving who involving you know there's 10 new coaches and so usually we see trades like we did today where you have a new regime and a new scheme yes and they're like all right you have this guy he didn't really fit you have this side didn't really fit let's just trade

16:02Rich Eisen:and similar to what we just saw with the titans and the jets yeah okay exactly and you know it's

16:08Andrew Siciliano:like you try to find guys that fit so 10 new coaches means a lot of players will probably to get traded and there's not that many good free agents. So trades will probably be the market.

16:16Rich Eisen:Okay. All right. Let's send you along because I'm just only a few minutes behind you. I don't want - Yeah, you got to come too. I know. I don't want the producers to say, wait a minute, one third of our on-air staff for the five-hour combine coverage is sitting in the convention center right now.

16:32Andrew Siciliano:To be fair, they know where you are. They can just turn it on.

16:34Rich Eisen:And they know where you are right now too. Okay. So let's go to work, shall we? I got Caleb Downs first, but thank you for being here, buddy. Absolutely. Thank you for having me.

16:44Andrew Siciliano:Sorry I crashed your own Tom's hangout.

16:46Rich Eisen:Don't apologize to Tom. That's what the comment's about. I don't apologize to Tom. Tom's fine. Tom's doing fine. Because Tom would be like, come on, man. The Fonz. Be careful. He might tell you to sit on it. Hey. Ladies and gentlemen. All right, we take a break. Caleb Downs of The Ohio State Football coming up next.

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19:07Ian Rapoport:I mean, I made a commitment in high school to try to push myself to be excellent. And Coach Saban is the most decorated college football coach ever. So that was a way for me to learn from somebody like that. And that meant a lot to me. So when did you first meet him? Did he come to your high school?

19:24Rich Eisen:Did he come?

19:25Ian Rapoport:I took a visit there after my sophomore year. That's when I got the offer there. So I took a visit, met him for the first time at the camp. And, yeah, he's good.

19:35Rich Eisen:And so when he retired, that's when you were?

19:38Ian Rapoport:He retired, and that was kind of a gut punch for me. I took a couple days to learn about the new staff and everybody they hired at Alabama. Ended up deciding it was the best thing for me to leave. Sure. So went with Ohio State. They were probably my second school out of high school, so it wasn't like I was picking randomly.

19:56Rich Eisen:Right, and it was pretty much same staff, Ryan Day.

19:59Ian Rapoport:So a lot of people that I knew, a lot of familiar faces. And I wanted to learn another defense, a different defense. So that's what Coach Knowles offered me, and it was a great opportunity.

20:10Rich Eisen:Well, I spoke last year at the Combine in the draft to some of your teammates from that team, and gut-punched was a way that they might have used to describe learning that Nick Saban was retiring because nobody saw it coming, right? You had no idea? Yeah. Even on that Rose Bowl day, you had no idea that he might be?

20:28Ian Rapoport:No, not a clue, honestly. That was probably the Rose Bowl was like the first or whatever, 31st. I think that was like the eighth or so. Went through eight days. I was actually looking for, because I was staying in the dorms of Alabama, I was looking for an apartment or a townhouse there. And then we had a meeting, came in and retired. So it was like, oh. Okay. The freshmen were asking me, like, is he serious? I was like, he doesn't joke. No, he does. He's not joking. He's not joking.

20:56Rich Eisen:Well, unless it was a joke or something like that, right? Yeah, something like that. Okay. All right, so interestingly enough, I asked this question also of many Alabama Crimson Tide, from Tua to Matt Jones. what's the most angry you made Nick Saban at any point in time?

21:14Ian Rapoport:Honestly, if you ask like Tarion Arnold and Kule McKinstry, they'll probably tell you he didn't really get that mad at me, honestly. So I was one of the lucky ones. Wow. I mean, I try to do things right for the most part. Okay.

21:30Rich Eisen:So never one, like even some of these, Tua said the angriest he made Saban was him joking about throwing that. the interception than a touchdown to win it all.

21:45Ian Rapoport:Honestly, I would say maybe after we played Texas my freshman year and I gave up a touchdown, but it was also kind of like he didn't want to scare the freshman in the middle of the game. So he needed me to play well. So it wasn't like, I don't think he was trying to scare me at that point. Maybe sometime in fall camp or something like that. But it never was, no, I never had that situation. All right, let's talk about the here and now for you.

22:11Rich Eisen:I've seen you, Mel Kuyper had you in his mock draft, drafted second overall. The concept that NFL teams would love you, know what a difference maker you are, you're just a safety, and you can't be taken that high. How do you respond to something like that, Caleb?

22:27Ian Rapoport:At the end of the day, it's not safety. It's who affects the game. So it's who affects the game on defense, and you can affect the game in a lot of different ways. And I think if you watch my film, you see that I'm affecting the game in the box, in the deep part of the field, sometimes on special teams, whatever it takes. So, yeah, I feel confident in my abilities at any point, in any situation. So whatever position I get put in, it'll have to work out.

22:54Rich Eisen:Right, but have you mentioned this to teams? Have they asked you about what I just asked you at all?

23:01Ian Rapoport:No.

23:02Rich Eisen:Not really?

23:03Ian Rapoport:No. They just have a conversation with me. All right. Talk about ball and then go from there.

23:07Rich Eisen:Have you met with the Raiders?

23:09Ian Rapoport:I'm not.

23:09Rich Eisen:You're not going down this road?

23:11Ian Rapoport:Yeah, I'm not going down that road.

23:12Rich Eisen:How many teams have you met with here then?

23:15Ian Rapoport:I have over half a dozen. I mean, over a dozen interviews. Got a couple more today. So, got to finish it off today.

23:21Rich Eisen:So, have you met with all the teams in the top ten? I've met with a couple teams. Okay. Why don't you want to say who you met with?

23:30Ian Rapoport:I don't know if we're supposed to, honestly.

23:31Rich Eisen:It's not like Fight Club. It's okay. Yeah. It's okay. Listen, I don't think your draft stock would be affected by teams that have reached out to you.

23:40Ian Rapoport:I mean, I would just rather keep it in misery. Not do it.

23:42Rich Eisen:Sounds very good. And so at the end of the day, when you're there on a draft night, what will you be thinking about when you hear your name called at an NFL draft, Caleb Downs?

23:59Ian Rapoport:I mean, it's never been something that I didn't necessarily think was possible. I mean, my family's had a lot of success in terms of playing this sport. So I always thought I could do it. But the emotion that comes out will be honestly very, even just thinking about it right now, I don't know what it is. No kidding, huh? I don't know what it'll be. But it'll be honored and a blessed feeling to be in that situation. Do you plan on being there in Pittsburgh? Do you have that conversation? No, I think me and my family are going to decide in the next couple of days especially after this event. Talk about it and go from there.

24:37Ian Rapoport:Are you doing all the drills? We're working out of Pro Day.

24:40Rich Eisen:Oh, so you're just here for interviews? I'm here to talk to you, man. That's what I'm here to do. Until you found out where I went to school.

24:48Ian Rapoport:Yeah, I mean, somebody should have told me that. Why?

24:51Rich Eisen:I mean, listen, it's okay. It's okay. It's fully okay.

24:55Ian Rapoport:We won this year, so I'm great. I got my gold pants. I'm good. Okay. I'm good. All right. That's okay.

25:01Rich Eisen:I can hear that, too.

25:03Ian Rapoport:Yeah, it's okay.

25:04Rich Eisen:But you're a guest, so I try to be as accommodating as I possibly can.

25:07Ian Rapoport:See, I mean, they try to, I mean, for me, honestly. Who's they? First of all, who's they? Who's they? Everybody. Okay. Everybody. Honestly, like, the game is just a game. So when we play them, it just turns into a regular football game. Can you say their name?

25:23Rich Eisen:Can you say my school's name? Michigan. Okay. See, you're an adult.

25:27Ian Rapoport:I'm a regular, yeah. You're an adult. You're a mature individual. It just doesn't need to be said sometimes. I mean, sometimes it does, sometimes it doesn't. Okay.

25:36Rich Eisen:So you did not choose Ohio State because Michigan beat you at Alabama. No, not at all. And you wanted another shot at them. I don't know. That wasn't the reason.

25:46Ian Rapoport:I don't hold no grievances for losses or anything like that. It is what it is after the fact.

25:50Rich Eisen:Okay. And you have your ring, too. Yeah, it is what it is. You got your ring. You've won it all. By the way, three years in a row for the Big Ten. Who's the SEC? Nobody. Very much so. You know what I mean? Like, I understand you're from SEC country. You got that on your resume. You know, I got it.

26:06Ian Rapoport:I understand. Everybody always asks me that. But, I mean, they won the past three years. Can't really say anything else. That's right. You know, and it all started with, you know, one school. Yeah. Michigan, they started off that year. That's right. I mean, that game, they beat us. So, it is what it is.

26:20Rich Eisen:It is what it is. Well, thank you for coming on here, Caleb Downs. I really can't wait to see what you do in the NFL. And I do hope you hear your name as soon as you'd like on draft night. And then at some point, you and I can have a conversation. You'll tell me who you spoke with here. Okay.

26:36Ian Rapoport:We'll go over that. You can, we'll have a conversation after the fact.

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29:28Caleb Downs:The Rich Eisen Show, the podcast. It's the Rich Eisen Show, everybody. As Rich said, he's going to run down the hall and do another television show. My name is Andrew Siciliano. Happy to be here. Hey, buddy. What's up, man? You guys know everyone at home, obviously, Chris Brockman and T.J. Jefferson. We are getting the band back together. We don't have a name yet for this band. And we were messing with, like, the replacements, the replaceables, the... Three times dope. Three times dope. There you go with your old school hip hop. That's totally fine with me.

29:58Ian Rapoport:Okay. You like that? I mean, I was going, you know, we were talking about the Avengers earlier. We can go Guardians of the Galaxy. Am I Groot? I am Groot. I mean, you can be Star Wars since you're sitting in the top chair. I mean, yeah. It's fine with me. But Groot's the smallest of them.

30:11Caleb Downs:Well, Groot is the... He's a tree. Right. I don't know. We're off the rails. already. I just want to say this. It's Disney Plus. Yeah, watch Avengers and all the programming

30:22Ian Rapoport:on Disney Plus. Very well done. When you're done with us.

30:24Caleb Downs:I commend Rich because, look, it is a long walk to Lucas Oil Stadium down the hallway here at the convention center. He was ready. He was prepared. He finished up with Caleb Downs. He stepped over there off camera. He was into a suit. Yeah, real quick. I mean, usually Superman goes into the phone booth and goes from suit to the cape and the costume. Sure. Rich went from the sweater, I believe, and the slacks. Yep. To tie. To tie. Jacket out. He goes off set and bam, like that. Yep. He's into a suit and he's flying down the hall. And now he's going to do about seven hours of TV. Seven hours. Yeah.

31:04Caleb Downs:Fantastic TV.

31:04Ian Rapoport:Talking about defensive linemen and edge rushers. Let's go.

31:07Caleb Downs:All right. So we're here until the end of the show and we're kicking around ideas what to do other than discuss old school hip hop. Hip hop because no one cares about that other than us. And we stumbled upon Mel Kuyper. Not actually Mel, but his most recent mock draft.

31:21Ian Rapoport:That 2.0.

31:22Caleb Downs:I want to make certain and make it clear. We are not here to mock Mel's draft. No, no, no, no, no. We're not mocking drafts.

31:30Ian Rapoport:We're going through Mel's mock. You know, it's like this is Mel's 2.0. I want one every single day. Like tomorrow is 3.0. And Friday is today, Thursday. What's today? Today is Thursday. Saturday, I want four. I want draft mocks every single day until the actual draft starts. You're going to mock people out, though, bro. That's going to be too much mock.

31:48Caleb Downs:No, it's mock draft season. This is what I want. Feed it to me. You do realize that every ESPN.com and every NFL.com editor has pitched that to their draft people? To have it every single day? And all the draft people collectively push back? No, no, no, no, no. I don't want that. That's why you have a lot of NFL.com mock drafts that are pushed out by people in the newsroom that even when we worked in the newsroom, we'd go, well, I don't know this person. Wait, this person has a mock draft online? That's right. Because I would get a call from people in Cleveland or wherever going, hey, can you get me in contact with this person?

32:21Caleb Downs:Because our local sports talk radio show wants to have this person on because I can't believe they had us taking this guy at 24. I'm like, I've worked here for 13 years. I don't know who this person is. But evidently they have a mock draft on NFL.com. I was there five years. No one asked me to do a mock once. That's a shame. Maybe that was a sign.

32:41Caleb Downs:What's that tell you? Anyway, let's do a mock draft. We're not. We're going to look at Mel Kuyper's most recent mock draft. Yeah, let's do it. Mock draft. Do we need to do Fernando Mendoza at one?

32:52Ian Rapoport:No, it feels like that's a foregone conclusion at this point. But Caleb Downs, too. There you go. That's spicy.

32:57Caleb Downs:So let's discuss that. Caleb Downs was just sitting here. I loved his glasses. Yeah. I loved his answers. He kind of looked like Bryce James a little. Did you pick him on that? I can see that. Yeah, right? I also think he is the safest pick in this draft. Jeremiah Love maybe would be the other. But I think Caleb Bounds is by far the safest pick in the history. Why is that? Well, you saw the guy. You heard the guy. He's impressive in all aspects. Now, might he – we might get out of here in Indianapolis and you go, because he's only doing the meetings. Why didn't he do the drills? Is he afraid of the – forget about that.

33:34Caleb Downs:Put on the tape.

33:34Ian Rapoport:I'm with you. It felt like when he was one of those kids, if he could have went in the first round after his freshman year And then after his sophomore year, he would have went in the top 15. But, you know, rules dictate he's got to do the three seasons at Ohio State. And, yeah, now after his third season, he's a top five player. Mel's got him two. You agree. You say safest. I've just talked myself into it. I'm with you. Okay.

33:58Caleb Downs:I don't think there's any way on earth he goes two. Probably not. The Jets need a lot, right? And that's not a slam on him. Right. I just think that at two, you need impact, impact, impact players, and they are going to talk themselves out of a safety, and they're going to go for an edge rusher or an Arvel Reese or whoever.

34:21Rich Eisen:You see people trading, pushing back a little?

34:22Caleb Downs:Maybe you could do that if somebody really wants him, but I also don't think that this is a draft, after being here all week, where anybody truly wants to trade up, and if they do, you're not going to get the price that you would have in years past. No one wants to give up 2027 picks. We talked ad nauseum, and we will for the next eight weeks, that nobody wants to trade out of next year's first round. I like Caleb Downs. I think he's the safest pick. I was having this conversation earlier today, and somebody pushed back and said, maybe they do take him because he is the safest pick, and because, hey, just hit a double.

34:58Caleb Downs:We have five first-round picks over the next two years, so just hit a double. I don't have to hit a home run. So maybe he is the guy. He seems more than a double though, right? Right, but he's safe. But a double is the floor. You know what I mean? Right. Doubles the floor. Okay.

35:15Ian Rapoport:I'm good with that.

35:17Caleb Downs:David Bailey at three. I'm good with that. Arvel Reese or Vel at four. I'm sorry. Bailey at three. Arvel Reese at four. The first tackle doesn't go until five. And then you have Carnell Tate at six. I like Carnell Tate at six. Everyone in Cleveland would love, I'm talking Browns fans and Buckeye fans, would love the weapon. You need people that can score the football, but they badly need offensive line. If Fano and Tate are there, like if your number one wide receiver and your number one O-linemen are both there. That's the Bengals conundrum from a few years ago

35:56Ian Rapoport:where it was Jamar Chase or Penesul.

36:00Caleb Downs:Or if you have two out of three between Fano, Maui Noah, the right tackle from Miami, and Carnell Tate, I honestly don't know what the Browns do. And if you don't know... We're two months away. We're not going to know because you've got boots on the ground, man. You're in the building.

36:19Ian Rapoport:Can you say what it's like there, what people are thinking?

36:23Caleb Downs:I know you can't give too much away. They need an offensive line. They still don't know if Joel Batonio is going to play another season. They have a deadline of March 10th right at the start of the new league year. Free agency is two weeks away for Betonio to decide, and they've given him that time, whether or not he wants to come back and play another season. And if he does, it doesn't take offensive line out of your draft at all because realistically, even if he comes back, you have only three and a half starting positions you need to fill. There's this idea that all five guys are gone. That's not true.

36:56Caleb Downs:You have DeJuan Jones coming back from injury. And he has been a starter for parts of three seasons, but has had trouble staying healthy. So one way or the other, he's going to be your left tackle, more likely your right tackle. The problem with this draft is that the best offensive lineman in this draft, the guys, Fano, Maui Noah, at the top of this draft are right tackles. They're not left tackles. Right. And you have to decide, can I take a guy in Maui Noah and maybe play him at right tackle or right guard? or can I take Fano, who played left tackle early in his career, and flip him back over there?

37:32Caleb Downs:If I don't take my old lineman here, do I like my old lineman at 24? That's when they have to figure out.

37:37Ian Rapoport:That's when you're like, okay, Carnell Tate's there. I know he's a number one wide receiver. Let's just go for it.

37:42Caleb Downs:That could be it, right? Okay, so they're going offense one way or the other. At seven, the commanders have Sonny Stiles. This is Mel Kuyper's mock draft here. Love that name. The linebacker out of Washington. Tom Palacero, who was in this chair earlier today, Tom was on NFL Network this morning and said that Sonny Styles, and I've heard the same thing. No relation to AJ. No relation whatsoever. Thank you. Is that a wrestling reference? Yes. Yeah, you know he does. I have no idea what you're talking about. Fury Styles? It's all good. We got it. Let's keep him moving. He's related to Lorenzo Styles.

38:15Caleb Downs:Oh, there you go. Okay. We're talking football here. Okay. They are related? Yes. Who's AJ Styles? The Phenomenoi, he's a wrestler. Wasn't the greatest of all time. Just retired. I know not of the actors you speak. Andrew has this weird thing with wrestling. We don't get it. Keep going. It was just an aside for TJ. It's a fun show.

38:33Ian Rapoport:I was literally making a joke for one person. And it popped.

38:35Caleb Downs:Sonny Stiles is going to be the talk tomorrow morning. Write it down. Friday morning, your headline will be, Sonny Stiles destroys the combine. And Sonny Stiles is going to go ahead of Caleb Downs. Doesn't mean he's going to be a better football player. but he is going to destroy the combine. This is my two cents and we are two months out. He is going to be that good. So you think he goes in the top five? Yes, I do. He is 6 '5", or maybe he goes in the top six. He's not going to go at six. He's going to go in the top seven. I think he goes ahead of Caleb Downs. He is 6 '5", he's 240 plus, and he is going to run and jump like nobody at his size at linebacker that we have seen in a long, long, long time.

39:25Rich Eisen:So for people watching, Andrew, who would be your Sonny Stiles comp?

39:29Caleb Downs:That's a great question. I don't know what a comp would be for him. He was a safety, and they moved him two years ago up to linebacker. As a sophomore at Ohio State, he's playing at that size. Now, he's put on some weight at safety. He's a freight trainer. He's like Mel Blunt out there. No, thank you. Yeah, he's a nightmare. No, thank you. He's football legacy, Buckeye legacy. He's going to be great. Mekhi Lemon at eight. Mel has Mekhi Lemon at eight. Jeremiah Love at nine. You know what's interesting here? Because we all know the Chiefs need a running back. Jeremiah Love with Patrick Mahomes, I mean, that would be ridiculous.

40:04Ian Rapoport:Yeah, we can't let that happen, Andrew. You know what I mean? That's Brockman's worst nightmare. I think I speak for just about 31 franchises when I say, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Jeremiah Love, no, no, no. You can't go to the Chiefs, bro.

40:15Caleb Downs:There are a lot of people that think the Chiefs will be very active in the free agent running back, Mark. So if Brees Hall comes free, they jump on him. If Kenneth Walker gets out the building. He's going to get paid, right? They jump on him. Might have some competition from the Texans for the latter, for Kenneth Walker. But if not, Jeremiah Love to the Chiefs? Oh, baby. Man. They've been shopping in the discount aisle for the last five, six years at running back. If they go out and they get the blue chip back, look out.

40:54Ian Rapoport:Dynasty continues. Yeah, because, I mean, you talk about the Saints being a good spot there with Alvin Kamara's future unknown. Do they jump ahead of New Orleans and go to seven just to ensure that they get him? Is it that type of situation? Or does someone come from the back end, middle, late teens in that first round and jump ahead of Kansas City knowing that everyone thinks that he's a great spot for them. You can see some action here for Jeremiah Love. Absolutely.

41:21Caleb Downs:And after Carnell Tate, is there a wide receiver that you love so much? There are a bunch of 5 '11 wide receivers in this draft. I'm 5 '11. I'm not drafting you top ten. Thank you.

41:35Ian Rapoport:That's kind of my point.

41:36Caleb Downs:How are your hands?

41:37Ian Rapoport:You know, not bad. Okay. Not bad. He was a quarterback, not a receiver.

41:41Caleb Downs:I'm a little older these days, but, you know.

41:43Ian Rapoport:He threw the ball. Oh, you didn't catch it. No, exactly.

41:46Caleb Downs:Continuing with Mel Kuyper's mock draft. Yeah. He has Reuben Bain, and this was two days ago, Reuben Bain at 10 overall.

41:54Ian Rapoport:Yeah, this was before the arm length size reveal today. You down with the short arm kings?

42:01Caleb Downs:It absolutely means something, and people can laugh at it. I'm not tall. I don't have long arms. I'm not mocking anyone's arm size. Reuben Bain can rip my arms off right now. It would be Kevin Nealon in SNL. It's got to be disappointing for the big Russian, and I would be standing there with no arms. But let's give the context here from Matt Miller, ESPN's Matt Miller. At 30 and 7 eighths for Reuben Bain, he would be, he would have the shortest arms for an edge rusher drafted in the first round since at least, in other words, that means as far back as we can go, at least 1999. So you can say it means nothing, and I believe Ruben when he says that nobody brought it up in his meetings.

42:51Caleb Downs:Right. Right? We had him on yesterday. Right. Reweighed as much. Historical context, and I'm here for people breaking molds. Historical context tells you. He'd be the first. He'd be the first. Yeah. Now, is that a Bengals thing to do? That is a Bengals thing to do.

43:09Ian Rapoport:Now, is that you as radio voice of the Cleveland Browns saying that, Andrew?

43:14Caleb Downs:There's some snark there. Okay, great. But remember, last year they did exactly the opposite. They drafted Shamar Stewart out of A &M, who was height, weight, speed, built like a Greek God, with zero production. He had three and a half sacks his entire college career, or the last year, whatever. Right. In two years. He had no production, and they took him. So this would be the exact opposite. This is the amazing production guy with very poor measurables. Doesn't fit the measurables.

43:39Ian Rapoport:But is he the type of guy that you take those measurables and you kind of ball them up and you Kobe them into the trash? Kobe them in? Yeah, you know when you throw in trash, you're like, Kobe!

43:49Caleb Downs:I've never done that, no. Actually, it's a running joke in the Browns radio booth that whenever I turn around during a break to try to throw something, to try to Kobe something, if you will, into the trash. You miss? Oh, it is Brick City. What is this, a Masonry's convention? It is Brick City. And when I do hit one, let's say right before kickoff. That's a good sign. It's a good sign. Yeah.

44:14Ian Rapoport:So from now on, you only hit like two or three shots during the season.

44:18Caleb Downs:There were five. There were five. There were five wins. Come on now. There were five. If it were only two, the Browns would have the number one overall pick.

44:27Ian Rapoport:Right.

44:27Caleb Downs:That was the funny thing about the end of the season. Those two wins at the end, which were very gratifying. Of course. Against division opponents. But you know. Without those two wins. You know what I mean. We'd be having a Mendoza party right now. So in Cleveland, you'll probably yell Elo instead of Kobe. Craig Threelo. You know, just show that. Much like Tom Pellicero here, amazing mullet Craig Threelo had.

44:48Ian Rapoport:But yeah, Andrew, is he the type of guy that you take those measurables and you go, all right, we're going to put those aside. We see what this man can do. Yeah, I've watched this dude play football.

44:54Caleb Downs:I know that he's a game wrecker. I would like to think so. But do you do that at 10? And that is the question. Yeah. It seems special enough. is this draft the draft? Because, and Matt Miller, I had him on my Yahoo show a couple of days ago. Matt Miller said he only had like 11. He has his story at NFL, I'm sorry, ESPN.com. He only has like 11 first round grades. So do you do it here? If he's one of those players you have the first round grade on, sure. Why not? Yeah, okay. I don't think so, but maybe. We're two months out. Maui Noah, Mel has him going 11. Is he a tackle or is he a guard? I don't care.

45:33Caleb Downs:He's good. Delaying the corner from the Cowboys at 12. Gerard McCoy to the Rams at 13. That's the pick they got for James Pierce when they traded out and the Falcons traded up last year. McCoy is not working out. He blew his ACL out early last year. If he had not been hurt, he's probably the number one corner in the draft. The question is, will teams be able to see him work out at Tennessee, at a private workout, and truly see him up close to know if they're cool on the medical after coming back from the ACL? Jordan Tyson, you know who his brother is? Richard Tyson from 3 o 'clock high. That was good.

46:15Caleb Downs:Thank you. His brother plays for the Cavaliers. Oh. You know the other Tyson? Nope. First-round pick from last year? Not a Cats fan. 15 points a game? Really? That's his brother? That's his brother. Okay. You didn't know that? No. Okay. I hadn't even thought about it. Maybe he would go seven. Oh. I don't know. Keep it in the family. And then C.J. Allen, 15. Peter Woods, who's not working out today, at 16. Zion Young, who's hysterical on the podium yesterday. He had people cracking up at 17. Dylan Thienemann at 18. If you go back to Purdue three years ago, they had Tyrone Tracy, Nick Scorton, Dylan Thienemann, and Deion Banks, who could go bottom one, top two.

46:56Caleb Downs:and the team was not good. But they had all that first round, second round talent. Tyron Tracy, I believe, third round. Falk, Mesidor, whatever. You get my point. How many of those do you think are right? That's not anti-Mel. It's just we're two months out. No, no, no.

47:11Ian Rapoport:We still have lots of time. I still can't get enough of this. It gives you a good idea of who you're going to be looking out for, who we're going to see on Thursday and Friday in Pittsburgh this year. I love this time of year when the Mocs come out. So I can't get enough of it. Like I said, every day, new mock, give it to me. I mean, Monday, the mocks are going to look totally different, though, right? Once all this stuff gets done. Yeah, yeah, for sure. For sure.

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