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22:35Rich Eisen:we know each other's wives and we know each other's friends. Gabby's the greatest. Correct. On the planet. Yeah. And, and so Susie became good friends with Gabby Reese and Gabby put me through a workout once upon a time in her pool and I damn near drowned. Yeah. Okay. So, you know what I mean? Well, that's the greatest. She put, did I ever tell you about this? She puts weights on you. Yeah. Oh, it throws me in the pool. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I just Googled Wim Hof. Yeah. This guy is something else. Yeah, he's a whole famer. Wow. His nickname is the Iceman. Yes. Dutch motivational speaker. So, Hot House and the Ice Tub.

23:13John C. McGinley:Yes. Okay. I was in there about an hour ago. I'll be back there tonight at 7.

23:21John C. McGinley:My hair's not on fire for nothing.

23:23Rich Eisen:Dude, man. Rooster available on HBO. Got to check it out. What's your favorite Steve Carell story you learned? or you've experienced, you're willing to share here. What do you got for me here?

23:33John C. McGinley:I had to reintroduce myself to Steve because I took an extra role on his Bobby Riggs, Billie Jean King movie, just because I admired him so much. Scrubs had been wrapped. Battle of the Sexes. Big pardon? Battle of the Sexes. Battle of the Sexes. And I am the third guy on the right. And so I told Steve, you're not going to remember this, but we've actually worked before. And of course, he didn't remember it. Why would you? But I took that film simply to be with Steve. No kidding. Yep. And I was third guy on the right. Third guy on the right. And now here you are, front and center with him on this program.

24:10John C. McGinley:It's as good as it gets. I've never seen anybody as nimble, cerebrally, and as agile and able to pivot and turn a joke. So in other words, when you're on a set, you do the joke that's written, and then five guys are pitching you new ones. Right. And it's called turning a joke. If you can take those syllables and make them yours, you're the Mac Daddy.

24:30Rich Eisen:And what's it like just switching to scrubs here, being back? I mean, was it out of body when you showed up for the first time on the set, everybody's back together? What was that like?

24:41John C. McGinley:So up in Vancouver, that's different. One of the 20 ,000 foot soundstage and the hospital, which was right over in Valley Village, over towards Burbank there for nine years. It was recreated to the tone of the paint. So that's what was out of body. But if you do 200 episodes of a show, if you're lucky enough to, and you can't regenerate that, the question is, what were you doing? It was like riding a bike, man. And Bill Lawrence wrote the pilot. So that syncopation, which is Martin Scorsese-esque that Cox has, you just fall right back into it. The only strange thing was just how fast the rhythm of the show is.

25:25John C. McGinley:You really got to go. And when you don't, you can feel you're not in it. That rhythm is fast. And if it's not, you'll be on the cutting room floor.

25:36Rich Eisen:You got a favorite line? Dr. Perry Cox, where you're like, that is my favorite line that I was able to deliver.

25:44John C. McGinley:I like that I can remember a long phrase of Latin. That means broken heart syndrome. And it's Tokusubo cardiomyopathy. I have no right remembering that. Because I'm not smart enough. Right. But for some reason, that's stuck in the clutter. That's the line? Broken heart syndrome. Tokusubo cardiomyopathy. But what about, you know, a button or a singer? When Cox turns to Carla, Judy Reyes, my dear friend, and goes, Wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong. Wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong. You're wrong. You're wrong. You're wrong.

26:23Rich Eisen:That's money. When you read it on the page, though, do you not know they want you to sing it? They didn't know they wanted me to sing it, but I sang it. That's TV history, baby.

26:37John C. McGinley:It doesn't grow on trees. You've got to bring your A game.

26:40Rich Eisen:Or are you just around like a grandfather clock one day, and you're like, if you put two and two together?

26:44John C. McGinley:It's the magic of Johnny C., Rich. I can't explain it.

26:48Rich Eisen:Johnny C. McGinley.

26:49John C. McGinley:It's like Felix the Cat with his bag of tricks. I got it.

26:53Rich Eisen:Okay, I got you. You're not old enough to remember that. No, I remember Felix the Cat. You're young and firm. Dude, I... You said earlier, and I don't blame you for saying this 100%, okay, that Bill Lawrence affected you more than anybody else in your adult life. Sure. I would have thought Oliver Stone would be that person.

27:14John C. McGinley:I did sex with Oliver. Nobody else has done six films with Oliver. But that's not the big deal. But Billy's loyalty to me and circling back with, we've done three together. We did Scrubs for, now it'll be 10 years. We did a three or four camera called Ground Floor over at Warner Brothers. And now for him to circle back with Rooster is next to my wife and my son Max and Billy Grace and Kate. No one else has impacted me that way. Not even close. You're right there.

27:45Rich Eisen:Oh, stop. Stop. You're ridiculous. But I mean, so when did you meet Oliver Stone? When did that happen for you?

27:52John C. McGinley:Right before we did Platoon. I went into audition for, again, third guy on the right. John Spencer was rest in peace, was going to play Sergeant O 'Neill. And he got a Broadway play called Execution of Justice about Harvey Milk and Dan White. And so he pulled out a platoon and Oliver called me and I was doing a very tiny part in Kevin Kline's Hamlet at the public, which was, you know, you get in that fraternity slash sorority, you never leave. And so Oliver calls me. I was living in a funeral parlor at the time on Sullivan Street. What? The New Chironi Funeral Parlor, five-story walk-up. LaGuardia was born there.

28:32John C. McGinley:And Oliver calls. I don't know how you get my number. And he goes, McKinley, I want you to play the fourth lead. I'm like, I'm doing Hamlet. I get the keys to the kingdom. I'm in with Joe Papp. Yeah. And so he goes, tell Joe that I'm doing it. Like first name basis, I'm sure. So I go in and I ask Mr. Papp if I can go to the Philippines. Right. And he goes, without burning that bridge. Right. And he goes, yeah, sure. We'll do Hamlet again, which was his way of going. You're okay to go. Right. And so as soon as I pulled out, there was a revolution in the Philippines and we were delayed about nine months.

29:04John C. McGinley:And so I watched Hamlet open and somebody called it the most important Hamlet on these shores. And I'm sitting in the in the funeral parlor just biding my time. Cher walks in to do the one exterior in Moonstruck. And I'm like, I'm not in any of this. And so finally, we got to go to the Philippines when that revolution was quieted down a little bit.

29:27Rich Eisen:And we were there for four months. Is that when you, because we had Charlie Sheen in here a couple of months ago, and we talked about a boot camp where everybody stayed in character and you were absolutely treating each other based on rank. It was the real deal. Were you part of that, too?

29:43John C. McGinley:Yeah, it was about three weeks out in the, it's called Triple Canopy Jungle. So, in other words, there's three layers of jungle, and it's dark, and things go wrong, and you get lost, and we got lost. and everything that could have gone wrong in that boot camp did, but it brought everybody together. It was a genius move on Oliver's part. And so what you want to do, my friend Keith David decided that great acting, he plays King, and he decided that great acting is when you can reduce the profundity of the lie. And what he meant was, I'm not Sergeant O 'Neill, Charlie's not Chris Taylor, but that boot camp let you get a little closer to that.

30:25John C. McGinley:And so the trick with the camera is that, oh, maybe he is Sergeant O 'Neill. And so now the lens suffers that as great acting because Oliver reduced the profundity of the lie. And it's the cleanest thing I've ever heard to describe, especially in front of a lens, great acting. On stage, you can fudge it a little bit with tricks, but not in front of the lens. You have to find some way to approach what is true. And the lens is a lie detector test. And if it senses you're lying too much with some stupid accent that really doesn't belong to you, it's going to go like, wow, you're lying. You're not anywhere near the truth.

31:05John C. McGinley:And Wall Street was next after that? Yeah, a year later, we got back from the Philippines, and I was already doing a play, talk radio with the public, so I was welcomed back. Joe was good to his word. You didn't have to tell him I'm leaving again to do Wall Street. No, I didn't. I told Oliver, unless we can work this out, and Oliver said, I'll have you done every day. We were right up Lafayette at the Woolworth building downtown, straight shot up Lafayette. And Oliver kept us later and later, Charlie and I, every night. And I like to get to half hour. When you're doing a Broadway or off-road you play, the actors are to be there a half hour early.

31:41John C. McGinley:It's called you're to be there at half hour. And you do a vocal warm-up and get present. And so Oliver was keeping us still. So a half hour at an 8 o 'clock curtain is 7.30, and we kept being kept later and later and later. And finally, I showed up, and the actors were at places, and I told the kid in my wardrobe, I'm like, and the first day the stage director came over and said, John, you can't go on. I'm like, well, then call the police because I'm going on. And I did, and about eight or nine minutes into the play, a pin spot hits me. I'm on stage with Eric the whole time in the context of the play, and I come down in one and down in one, a lighting cue is the closest you can be to the audience in the center of the stage.

32:27John C. McGinley:And so I go down in one, a pin spot hits me. This is an actor's dream. And I tell a seven minute story about how I met Eric Boghossian's character. About two minutes in, when you forget your line on stage, it's called going up. I went up. I'm getting nervous telling the story and I'm there and I can't see the house when a pin spot hits you you know this you can't see anything yeah and so I'm just looking at the white light and it must have been fascinating for the audience to see a someone dying in front of you and I I I breathed a few times and all I could think about was Oliver yelling at me and Charlie and what we did the night before and and I didn't I couldn't get the next line.

33:11John C. McGinley:And so I turned around and I went back to my seat. And, you know, they called the next light cue and Eric started again. And he came to me. He's the biggest mensch of all time. And he goes, you can't do that. And Oliver kept me until a quarter after the next night. My understudy went on. And guess what? The play was fine. But it's the first and only time I've ever gone up on stage. And it's the single most terrifying thing. Next to losing your child for 30 seconds in the grocery store. Right. which every parent has done. This is the scariest thing. Oh, God. You're nervous telling a story.

33:45Rich Eisen:Exactly. You need your cold tub. And so that's how deep you were into the Wall Street role, right, as well as going back and forth. But being a young guy in a platoon, going back and forth to this remarkable theater in New York City, Yes. What's it like to be in a movie with Michael Douglas at this point of your life? I didn't have any scenes with Michael. I'm just on the trading floor. So you didn't meet him. There was nothing. You didn't have any any connection with Michael Douglas.

34:16John C. McGinley:I met him in Looping afterwards, ever so briefly. What about Sheen then? Well, Charlie and I spent two years of our life together in the Philippines and then in lower Manhattan. Right. And we we both live in Malibu and there's a inseparable bond there. That was a big deal being in those two movies at the time and even in retrospect. Because people believe the hype, too. So you get work off of those things. Even though they were both, they were distinctly Oliver's pieces. Yes. And I was very much a peripheral character, but people believed the hype. And so that was good for a couple dozen films.

34:53John C. McGinley:I bet it was.

34:55Rich Eisen:No stories, you and Charlie, that you could tell? We just memorized lines and hit our mark.

35:07Rich Eisen:oh man the the nicks and chicks line was that in the script that was oliver's that was oliver's buddy buddy i got nicks and i got chicks that is yeah that was oliver's yeah just trying to think what flavor i threw in there but i can't remember okay god bless it but oliver wants your flavor

35:24John C. McGinley:i bet he wants you to do it the way it is on the page and then he wants your flavor man

35:29Rich Eisen:and then just this is another one i just want to hit you on before i let you go man office space is a classic

35:38John C. McGinley:best thing about office space was that I got office space and then which was for nothing money wise to go down to Austin and shoot it and they had me there a day a week over three or four weeks and right before I left for Austin I got this film up in Toronto with Matthew Perry rest in peace and Nev Campbell and it was a big Warner Brothers movie and it was for a lot of cake and so I called my neighbor Mike Judge who had cast me in this yeah and I said is there any way we consolidate three weeks into uh like three or four days and he did it and I flew down on Monday I had wardrobe on Tuesday I shot Wednesday Thursday and Friday and I was in Toronto to shoot uh to do wardrobe on Saturday the only reason that's interesting is because when actors can put blinders on and just stay in it stuff starts to happen when you can't come up for air and you just stay in the bobs in that room interviewing all those jackasses who came into the room and just uh you know whether it's the michael bolton stuff all these great actors coming in and you just stay in it and you start to find a rhythm and mike's all for those characters were roughly drawn and so you could bring all the flavor you wanted to and i did.

37:01John C. McGinley:And I know there was an executive, there was a making of, uh, of office space and that the people over at 20th century are losing their minds. The amount of film I was burning because I had a lot of different ideas, including what would you say you do here? Yes. Yes. Most of it was mine. And that actor is so great. And he didn't know what was coming. And, and, and, and, and, uh, Dave Harmon, who plays Michael Bolton, I'm just, I'm telling him I'm a fan of the whole guy's whole catalog. And you know what's going on? And so that's what I mean. The actors weren't acting. They were just, they were behaving.

37:41John C. McGinley:So it reduced the profundity of the lie. I'm not a downsizer, but I can take the piss out of anybody. And so that's what I started to do with those actors. And so it starts to resonate. Before we go, what are the Giants doing at five? Yes. And I know we already signed a D-back. We spent two D-backs and that linebacker, which I like. Do you go to Ohio State and get one more D-back?

38:05Rich Eisen:No, no. You go to Ohio State, you get that receiver. You get the receiver. Yeah, yeah. You get the receiver. That's what I think the Giants should do. But taking receiver at five is always dicey. But, I mean, it – Not Stiles? I don't know. That defense is not what – they need to – They need to get Jackson Dart some weapons. They just lost Wondell Robinson. Can I ask one question?

38:29John C. McGinley:I know you guys broached it the other day, but when I was listening, I wanted to ask you in person, why not put Cam and Love in the same backfield? I know, Chris, you had some ideas on that, too.

38:40Rich Eisen:I like that a lot. I do, too. He's not going to be there, though, maybe. He might go four. If he's available, the Giants are going to – if the Giants have their choice, which is possible, where, let's mock it out. Look at us. It'll be Fernando Mendoza-1. Of course. The Jets will take a defender. It could be Reese, Bailey, or Stiles. Three, it's Arizona could do anything. They could go Love. I doubt it. They could also go Stiles or whoever the Jets don't take on defense. Or they could take the Miami left tackle, Mauna Noah. That might be their move. Okay?

39:18John C. McGinley:What if the Miami tackle's there for the Giants?

39:25Rich Eisen:that's not a bad choice either but it i think they have to go offense man they have to they have to and and again i am a uh michigan wolverine and that kid carnell tay is a beast he is an absolute beast and if you want to take something from the fruit of a football vine you take a wide receiver from ohio state you're not gonna it more often than not you are not going wrong you're just not and then so um love's there you don't take him if love's there you got to think about it but scadaboo is going to come back hopefully just as strong as ever i just don't like you guys were talking about the other day you want him carrying 28 i don't think so no i don't think so and so you could do you could do a lot with both of them you could really go to town with

40:13John C. McGinley:both of them i love when i love when uh you know when uh jimmy khan rest in peace uh calls the his front line, the seven blocks of silly putty in Brian's song. Are the, do the giants have the seven blocks of silly putty? I don't believe so.

40:28Rich Eisen:You do not. Seven blocks of what up front you're talking about? Up front. I don't know that. I just don't think a lot. I think you can get more bang for your buck at a quote unquote skill position than alignment in this draft at fifth overall and never pick up there again. Don't do it again. You got the right. I love the coach. My God, do I love the coach? And he's going in there basically saying the way you've been doing things since the Duke on the football, you need to rethink a couple things. And the Giants are like, okay, floor is yours. So he's really changing some things in that organization.

41:02Rich Eisen:I think it's going to be a whole culture shift. I think it is too. Our mutual friend, Joshy Charles, was dying. Oh, he's not. When Harbaugh. But I think your G-men are going to be better for sure. And I would go with a big player, a big time boom. That's what I would do. What constitutes a big player? Carnell Tate. Jeremiah Love. Those are the two. Those are two guys who can really alter your...

41:26John C. McGinley:Not the Ohio State defense people.

41:29Rich Eisen:You got enough of that, though.

41:30John C. McGinley:You got enough of that. Don't you think? You just bought two guys plus the linebacker.

41:34Rich Eisen:You got enough of that. You already got the front seven kind of handled, I feel. And then there's the rest of the draft, too. You know, it's great to see you. Let's do this more often. I'm not afraid of you.

41:50Rich Eisen:I love you, John C. McGinley. Rooster airs Sundays, 10 p.m. Eastern on HBO. Check it out. New episodes of Scrubs back again on Wednesdays on ABC, streaming the next day on Hulu, just to name two. Great to see you, John C. McGinley. You the man. Nice to be included. Awesome. John C. McGinley here on The Rich Eisen Show. Back to wrap up this program. Send you to the weekend in a moment. The Rich Eisen Show, the podcast.

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44:01Rich Eisen:Already been going back and forth with some of my Wolverine friends during the commercial break. I bet. You know, about biting nails against the Ohio State, and I just wrote survive and advance. It was that time of year. A little close for comfort, though, right? Page already turned, sir. Who's up next? Wisconsin or Illinois, which is the game that's going on right now. Zero. I admire your professionalism because I know you were peeping the score as the second hour was going on, and you never let on. Well, I mean, I know my The Ohio State friends had a text all ready to hit the send-on, and then they deleted it.

44:41Rich Eisen:That I know. Nothing would have made Ohio State fans and my friends that much more happy. Nothing's more delicious to them than to take Michigan out in the first shot at the Big Ten tournament. Were the bubbles up in the group chat? I didn't notice. They hit him with five shots and he's still alive. That's right. He's still alive. There's a lot so. The bubbles were up. The bubbles were up. I didn't notice. Doesn't matter. But they're not on the bubble. They should make it. They have 21 wins and they're good, man. Yeah. Lenardi's like the SEC's going to have the most teams. Get out of here. Get out of here with this nonsense.

45:21Rich Eisen:The Big Ten is the best basketball conference, hands down. Wait a second. Are you questioning Mr. Brackett? I am. Dr. Brackett? I know I don't have a lab coat. I'm not questioning him. He knows the bracketology. He knows college sports is a southeast bias. End of story. It's an east coast bias in professional sports and a southeast bias in college sports. Give you that. That said, the Big Ten has not won. I think Michigan State's the last Big Ten champion in college basketball. Oh, whoa. I think Izzo's last, I think Mateen Cleaves. 25 years ago? Yeah. Really? I think so. I think Mateen Cleaves and Izzo's Spartans were the last Big Ten team to win it all and cut down the nets.

46:10Rich Eisen:Florida, UConn a couple times, Kansas, Baylor. Keep going. Virginia, Nova, UNC, Nova. Yep, yep. Keep going. Connecticut, Louisville, Kentucky, Connecticut, too. Keep going. UNC, Kansas, Florida, Florida, UNC, Connecticut, Cuse, Maryland. Well, Maryland wasn't in the Big Ten. Not yet. Nope. That's right. Yeah, Michigan State lost Big Ten. That's it. 2000. There you go. Wow. I know. It's been a long time. Dang. It's been a long time. They started off the century going, hey, this is going to be a great century. A quarter way through, nothing yet. By the way, and before that. Are they wrong? I don't know.

46:47John C. McGinley:Wrong, wrong, wrong.

46:48Rich Eisen:Oh, you got it. Wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong. Great new drop from John C. McGinley. I love it. And before that, Indiana. You're trying to work it in there, Jay. Well done. I was like, we're up against it. Before that, Indiana was Keith Smart. In 87, Keith Smart. So that's two Big Ten champs in 40 years. It's time, man. Dang. It's time. See, everyone in the Big Ten, just root for Michigan. Your best chance. Yeah. Wrong, wrong, wrong.

47:16John C. McGinley:Wrong, wrong, wrong. Wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong.

47:21Rich Eisen:Nice new drop. Way to take that for a new spin. Yep. That new drop for a spin. That drop's only 20 minutes old. That's funny. Not even. We work quick around here, G. All right, everybody. Survive an advanced weekend as finally arrived. We'll chat with you on Monday. Nice. Thanks for listening to the Rich Eisen Show podcast. You can watch and listen to the Rich Eisen Show live weekdays from noon to 3 Eastern on ESPN Radio, Disney Plus, and on the ESPN app. The Rich Eisen Show, the podcast.

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