Hour 3: NBA Expansion, Michigan Wolverines Coach Head Dusty May as a guest, Author Dave Ogleton

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0:54Rich Eisen:This is the Rich Eisen Show. Hey, everybody. Can't get enough of the Rich Eisen Show? You're in luck. You can find us everywhere. Watch us weekdays on Disney Plus from noon to 3 Eastern. Miss the show? We've got a podcast so you can listen anytime. But here's the best part. Our YouTube channel. Subscribe at youtube.com slash Rich Eisen Show and you'll never miss a moment. Now, on with the show. This is the Rich Eisen Show. It's time for baseball. The pitch to judge swung on and hit in the air to deep right. It is good. Live from the Rich Eisen Show studio in Los Angeles. Earlier on the show, TNT college basketball analyst Jamal Mashburn.

1:42Senior writer for the MMQB, Albert Breer. Coming up, author Dave Ogleton. And now, it's Rich Eisen.

1:55Rich Eisen:Our number three of the Rich Eisen show is on the air right here on Disney Plus, the ESPN app, 844-204-RICH. Number to dial. Take some calls in a matter of moments. Dave Ogleton, whose new book, So Dad, It's Good, is available now for pre-order. He is a diehard Eagles fan in Philadelphia. I don't know if TJ's hearing me right. I heard it. I heard it. Okay. I rolled my eyes at first. he's uh known as a powerhouse dad fluencer so um look forward to chatting with him um and so you know chris you and i will be able to relate you uh i love jay you've got you've got you've got got some step kids step kids right that right and um he this is be great for you tj and the fact that you know you don't have any children but he is uh roots for the eagles who is your daddy, right?

2:53Rich Eisen:Pretty much. Wow. Really? That's good. That's good. That's good. That was a poised comment. She's like, huh? He heard you that time. Is that why I'm poised like this? Right? You know, I try to be on your side a lot, man. I don't know, man. You know? Poised counts! It does count. I see how you get down. Poised. It's my day today. You know what I mean? It is. Oh, part of it. Let's see. Who knows? What do you mean, who knows? I don't know. We know. What do we know? As in Palouse? We know nothing. Oh, is it Ohio State Pro Day Day? Oh, isn't that lovely? I thought it was my day. Now it's ruined.

3:47Rich Eisen:um oh by the way congratulations to the cities of vegas and seattle the nba board of governors say we're going to start talking about expansion oh to those cities yeah what do you mean you're not gonna excuse me doesn't do it for me you wouldn't go to an nba game in las vegas nevada Why are we adding teams? Las Vegas had zero teams. How long ago? Okay. And now there's football, hockey, baseball's coming. Is it working? It's the entertainment capital of our United States, would you not say? Are they just like the Chargers where it's just all away fans at these games? What do you care? I don't know.

4:34Rich Eisen:Honestly. Go to the sport. You know, first of all, it's great for the people of Las Vegas, Nevada, and the surrounding area. There's already too many games during an NBA season. Now we got more teams? Well, maybe we should get more teams and fewer games. I hope that's... How about that? That would be great. And also, how about... Guess what makes that happen? So there's two NBA stories that are really going around right now outside of the actual competition that's happening. This is one of them. Seattle fans deserve to get the Sonics back. End of story. So let's move Memphis to Seattle. Like, let's relocate.

5:07Rich Eisen:Why would you take that from Memphis? Let's move New Orleans. We're watching March Madness get deeper and deeper and deeper every year. Okay? And it's a money thing as to why some of these mid-majors don't get any further. But you don't think there's enough to fill out an NBA roster of players? I understand that there's, you know, some terrible franchises right now. but that that i think is just born out of poor management poor coaching on top of the ability that there's incentive to tank so how many better how many teams are currently tanking in the nba a third of them so now we're going to add two more to that list or we have to change change things around so it's not as easy to tank and that it might be easier to roster build can we do that I don't know.

5:57Rich Eisen:The NBA has not deserved me to think that they pulled it off. Okay. They have not proven. I don't know, man. I would definitely go to an NBA game in Las Vegas, Nevada. Yeah, I'm sure it'll be cool. Okay, so what's your problem? You hate the tanking so much, and now let's add teams. So now half the league is going to tank each year? I hope not. Let's figure that part out. How does that sound? We're smart enough. Again. We're smart enough. Let's figure it out. I do not have faith. an NBA game in Seattle is going to be lit. Fans are going to be out of their skulls. They deserve it. They do. And let's move New Orleans to Seattle.

6:34Rich Eisen:Okay. Let's go to Matt in Scranton, Pennsylvania. Matt, you have two cents on this subject matter? Yeah, my question to you, Rich, was kind of going off of what you were just saying. Do you actually think it's a good idea for the NBA to expand when the problem right now really is that teams are tanking? Do you have, I think, 10 or 11 teams right now that are below 500, the Pacers and the Wizards were on a 16-game using streak. You're adding two more teams that are not going to be that good that are probably going to be tanking also. Do you honestly think that's going to be good for the league?

7:09Rich Eisen:Obviously, more tanking is bad for the league. We just need to figure out there's smart enough people in the room. There's smart enough people in the room to try and figure out, let's come up with a different economic model where tanking isn't viewed by teams as the quicker way to rebuild. Let's figure out a different way of aprons and caps and player contracts and trades to try and figure out a better way where tanking isn't option one for a ton of teams. And from all the NBA people that I have come across, they feel like there's going to be a model for that sort of thing. Let's figure that part out.

7:53Rich Eisen:Certainly now that we are, thanks for the call, Matt, awash in more television partner money, you know? And while we're at it, let's fix the whole load management thing too. I don't know how we do that. Well, they thought they had an answer to that by changing the rule, that you've got to play 65 games to be eligible for all these awards. But that's the conversation I want to have, too. Cade Cunningham has 61 games played this year, and then a freak hit punctures his lung, and now he might not be eligible in a career year. Yeah, in what world is he not a second team or maybe first team all-in?

8:37Rich Eisen:Right! It's ridiculous. And so because other teams can't be trusted to play their stars or other players or stars can't be trusted to want to play. Although everybody keeps telling me the players want to play. It's these teams and doctors and analytics and sleep studies and all this sort of stuff that causes players to be sad. Right. That now Cade Cunningham is going to bear the brunt of not getting the kudos he deserves. Another sign that your season is too long. Because why would he come back for five games just for that purpose? Right. unless he does, it would behoove him to play five games before the playoffs to get his sea legs and lungs back in the mix, unless that's not what he should do to get ready for the playoffs.

9:41You know?

9:42Rich Eisen:It's too bad. We found a loophole, and it's this man's lung. What the hell? That's not right. So why can't we have an exemption that somebody just uses common sense and goes let's give this guy an exemption it's clearly not him sitting his ass down on purpose right in a weird way maybe his injury will be the you know the cause fix this which was an unfortunate that that's what launches this thousand ship situation right that's not right it's not right but there's enough smart people in the room to figure out all these issues here and and i i know expansion isn't the you're diluting and also diluting but who's asking for it well seattle fans have been asking for it dude they have been asking for it since that team went to oklahoma city that's a fact that's true now you might say vegas is a different story but seattle fans one million percent have been asking they've been asking it seems to me this is a way to get the bid fee is 7 to 10 billion dollars of course guess what happens that gets cut up and goes right to the owner's pockets like that's what this is about i think we need to be honest that's and this is not part of the um revenue sharing there's no there's no sharing oh it's literally 10 billion divided by 30 right to their pockets well it's now divided by 31 i guess right i hate it i i i i I understand.

11:08Rich Eisen:I understand. Because Dolan needs the money. By the way, Dolan probably doesn't have a problem with this. Hey, go to Vegas, see a game, go to the Sphere. You know? Yeah, that's true. I honestly think it's great for Vegas to have a sports team in every major North American sport. It's awesome. It's great. I think the draft should be there every two years. There should be a draft or a Super Bowl there every four years. Totally agree. I mean, the draft was insane. The Super Bowl was great. Right. But the draft was incredible there. It was great. There's hotels everywhere. There's restaurants everywhere.

11:51Rich Eisen:There's entertainment everywhere in Las Vegas. They were great in terms of rolling out carpets for the draft and the Super Bowl. Unreal. You know, the traffic on Super Bowl weekend was nuts. I mean, it's Vegas. I don't know. But Vegas locals don't love when F1 comes. And so now you're just adding a fourth team. Where are the actual fans of these teams? Well, Sully in Las Vegas is here on the Rich Eyes and Show. What's up, Sully? Sully's already mad at me. Yeah, he's mad at Chris already. Why? Oh, we got a text message. This is our boy. Hello, fellas. What's up, Sully? Hey, Sully. What's up, man?

12:34What's up, Sully? Dear friend of TJ and Brockman's, Rich, and I have a bone to pick with my dear friend Christopher Brockman.

12:42Rich Eisen:Okay. Because that guy loves coming to Vegas. And when he comes to Vegas, we have to have a good time. Allegedly, maybe we play blackjack. Maybe we bet on some games. That's fine. Maybe we can do some dinners. But listen, I need all four major sports teams. I agree with you, Rich. I don't care who comes. I live here. I love going to a Raiders game when it's, you know, maybe 60 % visiting team. It's the spectacle of having pro sports. I can't wait for the A's to get here. I don't know if I'll go to that many games. I love going to the Vegas Golden Knights games. They're an all-time favorite. Bring the basketball team.

13:21Bring it all.

13:22Rich Eisen:Bring it all. Bring it all. Bring the draft. Yeah. Bring the Super Bowl. That's right. Anytime I get an excuse to hang out with TJ and Brockman, bring it all. What about Carrot Top? I don't know why Brockman's so angry. Carrot Top, too? Is there room for Carrot Top? I haven't seen Carrot Top, but he's got a 30-year run, so I think he's doing okay. It's all the other stuff. It's like, let's go to dinner, fellas. Get out here. Let's go to dinner. That's right. All right. Sully's bringing the thunder above under. Well done. Yes, sir. Thank you, Sully. Vegas, ladies and gentlemen. I'm a big fan of the show.

13:56Rich Eisen:Thank you, sir. Thank you guys for all the positivity in a major part of my life. I love you guys. Keep doing the great things. Thanks, pal. Back at you. Bye, G. All right, there's Sully in Vegas. Dude, come on. So let's not add, let's move someone. 30 is such a great number for the NBA. Okay. That's my point. We'll find out, right? Because I think this is just going to happen. I tell you what's not going to happen is the number of games. They're not going to change it. They're not going to have less games. Yeah, I know. They're not going to tell the television partners that just gave all this money that there's fewer games to be shown.

14:27Rich Eisen:I don't know what the answer is, though, man. It doesn't make sense, right? We talk about all these DNP coaches' decisions and people taking these breaks. Guys back in the 70s used to play 82 and more games wearing Chuck Taylors. You ever try to play a game of basketball wearing some Chucks? No ankle support. They're flat. They went out there and played 82 to 95 games. Coach airline tickets. They also were smoking. They were heaters at halftime. With all the advances in technology and training, these players should be out there way more than they are, man. They have every advantage. Yeah, that's why also Kareem used to welcome rookies to the league by haymaker and Kent Benson.

15:14Rich Eisen:You know what I mean? Well, Kent Benson elbowed him in the gut. I understand that in the gut. I remember that. I mean, different times. Different times. But I do pick up your spirit of what you're saying. I'm with you, too. i feels like we can get to a happy medium well i don't know how do we do we get everyone together i don't know we get everyone together and figure like have an nba summit adding two teams let's then let's play 70 games like that seems like such a perfect number they're not going to take fewer games we cut two and a half weeks off the season i don't know load management maybe would go away at that point if you're legitimately injured sure i get it but i think we have to start with the economic model and the way that you can roster build and figuring out that to keep the competition as as level as it can possibly be between haves and have-nots if those really do exist and and at the end of the day um disincentivize tanking somehow some way i don't know how that is i think from that everything can ripple effect in a positive way because i do look at the March Madness tournament.

16:22Rich Eisen:I'm thinking there's a lot of players who can play very well. There's a couple guys, yeah. You know? You've got a few on your school. I don't know who you're talking about. Which team is this? The team you work with. Oh, okay. I'm going to book Dusty May this week. Are you really? Let's reach out to him. Reach out to him. I could text him right now. No. But it's just saying hi. Like, way to go. I sent a little way to go. We don't need that. Hey, Dusty, we had Izzo on. We figure that you might want to represent the other side of Michigan. That's fine. That's fine. I don't feel I'm putting a Ziggy on anybody.

16:54Rich Eisen:Hey, Dusty, do you got 10 minutes? Could you imagine I have him on and then two days later they lose? Yeah, what's that like? Having a coach on and then your whole season falls apart after? What would that be like? I guess he doesn't want to find out. You're just the mush, though. That's a you thing. That's not a me thing. Not a me thing. in the history of our show the Patriots have won three Super Bowls it's not a me thing and the Red Sox won the World Series it took years for Belichick to call into this show Celtics won it we had Cora on and you still won it we've had Brad Stevens on they won it I know it's just that one time I'm going to do something for your birthday let's have Dino Babers on and then we had your current coach on last year did they win a game after that We were really bad.

17:42Rich Eisen:Why would I bother this man? He's unbothered by everything. Exactly. So you think you can get into his head? Yeah. I'm not getting into anyone's head. I know. So let's have him on. It's a me thing. It's not a him thing. It's a me thing. Oh, okay. If I have him or any Wolverine on and then suddenly they lose, it's definitely me looking in the mirror and saying, what the hell did I do? I should have just, like, I've stood back. We haven't had him on all year. None of them. You don't think I want to talk to Yax and Lindeborg? I would love to. And then it's out of their day. I'd love to talk with him and John Morez.

18:14Rich Eisen:I'd love to talk to Cadeau. You know? If you make the Final Four, will we have them on next week? Why would I do that then? They got a whole week. Think about this, Rich. We had Dusty May on when he was at Florida Atlantic, and he went to the Final Four. You know what happened after that? He lost. I lost. That was probably Florida Atlantic. Rich, look at it like this. You are a notable Michigan man. I am. Thank you for saying that. I agree with that. Talking to these kids would hype them up, take them to the next level. We're like, oh, now it's on now. Rich Eisen had this on. What a third home.

18:46Rich Eisen:That man over there. That man knows when I was given the honorary captaincy, he watched me talk to that team, to Jim Harbaugh's Michigan Wolverine team in 2016. I have the video on my phone still. He watched me. When I was done with that speech, he said to me, I think you blacked out. Yeah. okay correct correct right and then i got then i got on the field yeah and then and then i i i was given instructions jim told you what to do and what to say and then i blacked out completely forgot because i thought the captains would be the ones to do it and jabril is like what i would think no it wasn't pepper it wasn't pepper that's that and you know and and a handful of others i'm going out there thinking i don't know where i am right now i have no clue and then when it came time to which way are we going which direction are we going jake butt looks at me goes what what is it and i realized holy crap i had one job this honorary captaincy and i'm blowing it right now 100 000 people i gotta say it was overwhelming it was overwhelming on the field and just polite applause times 100 000 when i got introduced i did my only thing that could possibly think of i took my i tipped my cap like i just pitched five scoreless coming out of the game your curtain You take a birdie on 18.

20:06Rich Eisen:You're like, hey. Hey, I didn't know what I was doing. I had no idea what I was doing. I was there. Right there. I'm tipping the cap. It was amazing. Honestly. Like you just hit a walk-off home run. Yeah. It was so cool. I didn't know what I was doing. I had lost my mind. And I remember going back to Harbaugh. Already had his hands on his knees. Locked in on the day. Locked in. Locked in. I think to myself, he's going to kill me. And then all he looked at me was, hey, nice ovation. But the reason why I bring all this up is then the game started. Yeah. And you, dude, you were there. I was there.

20:38Rich Eisen:It was awesome. Didn't UCF like ripped off a 70-yard run to start? Kind of early. And I thought to myself, what if we lose today? I will never be able to come back on campus here. So I'm sorry. You know how I feel about you and how I feel about this program. It is so paramount to me professionally, personally, spiritually. but when it comes to this we're not having the coach or the players on no way no how until a net is cut what if they're like man not at all jason was our boy like he won't even that's no that's exactly what i say they are not thinking that at all how do you know i don't know man they are not thinking that at all i appreciate you trying to get in my kitchen here i understand that jeez i thought he loved michigan you know what i would say i'm like oh he put he put the Spartans on this show, but he won't put us on this show.

21:32Rich Eisen:Got Sparty on there. You know what they're thinking? Let's beat Alabama. That's what they're thinking. And if I'm like, hey, Dusty, you want to come on the show? That could be 15 minutes where he has a eureka moment on how to beat Alabama. And then all of a sudden I'm watching that game. They're down a possession. I'm like, it's because I took him away from the meeting rooms for 15 minutes. You sound insane. You sound crazy. Do I really? Or do I sound kind of like you would? my name's not on the mug i know that your name's not on the mug it's not in the tournament but this is the crazy thing is this is the way you feel not about syracuse or the celtics or about the red sox or it's it's how you feel about any old team you bet on well okay see now i'm talking his language you know you don't have there are only three teams that emotionally affect me i get Yankees and both Michigan basketball and football.

22:28Rich Eisen:That's it. Everything else in my life, I am unbothered. You know, do I want them to win when I watch them? Sure. Teams of my youth? Sure. But at the end of the day, if it all doesn't work out, head on the pillow. Night, night. These three teams will keep me up. So no Dusty May, nobody on the team until it's all over. You could have helped put them over the top. No. No. That is not the way I choose to look at it. Whack. I'm just saying. All right. The phone lines are lit right now. This is amazing. Our fans in Vegas are just absolutely ready to roll. Brockman, you should turn off your mentions.

23:05Rich Eisen:All right, let's bring our guest out. Dave Ogleton is about to join us right now. The dad fluencer in chief coming up. The Rich Eisen Show podcast.

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25:30Rich Eisen:dave ogleton is here just talking about his diehard philadelphia eagles fandom um and just told tj he's his daddy hold up hold up now so dad it's good it's the book and so that's uh by the way the one star for dallas is like a rating for the team i've never heard that one yeah yeah it's not new but i like to bring it up every once in a while you know just to remind them where they are kind of five to two dig it oh five to two stop carl anthony towns was here on this program he He showed up in his Jalen Hurts shirt. Okay. And then kind of, you know, took a liking to TJ. I wish he hadn't. Why is that?

26:10Rich Eisen:Because I didn't eat flowers. He kept on with every single Eagles win over the Cowboys after that. See, Carmelo's one of those guys that, like, is, I love his Eagles fandom because he was a Knick. Yeah. I just, I love him. But then I'm like, he played for the Knicks, and I know you're a Knicks guy also. That is correct. that one is correct for sure uh you have flowers balloons uh kept on sending them over and over again to tj there you go there's the flowers balloons that's beautiful that is a beautiful that's a nice arrangement the best one was i mean it was after the eagles won the super bowl uh he sent a mariachi band here to play fly eagles fly that's just a case of someone having too much money he wanted he wanted he wanted to send a chorus here though to sing it and we just couldn't get it on if you saw me pop up and oh i see it i see it yeah the mariachi it was amazing that they always have to see dallas colors yeah great too as tj uh tj is still down yeah that was a good day let's talk about uh your title of uh dad fluencer how does one become a dad fluencer how did this happen for you i don't even know how i became one uh i think it was just kind of like thrust upon me um by accident but no i started doing content back in 2020 like a lot of other content creators did.