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Episode Title
Hour 3: NFL Insider Tom Pelissero Talks Coaching Carousel, plus Actor Dylan O’Brien In-Studio
Episode Description In this episode, Rich Eisen is joined by NFL Insider Tom Pelissero to discuss the latest developments in the NFL coaching carousel, focusing on the Baltimore Ravens' new head coach Jesse Minter, and the head coaching searches of the Buffalo Bills, Pittsburgh Steelers, and Cleveland Browns. Actor Dylan O’Brien drops in to promote his new film, *Send Help*, and shares his thoughts on his favorite team, the New York Jets. The episode also includes predictions for the AFC and NFC Championship Games.
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Key Segments
- NFL Coaching Updates with Tom Pelissero
- Jesse Minter's Hiring by the Ravens
- Minter was previously the defensive coordinator for the Chargers and has a prior connection with Ravens' head coach John Harbaugh.
- He was interviewed while in Miami for the Raiders' head coaching position, indicating his desirability.
- Other Coaching Searches
- Buffalo Bills: Discussion on potential candidates including Joe Brady and Cliff Kingsbury, with emphasis on the dynamics involving quarterback Lamar Jackson.
- Pittsburgh Steelers: Anthony Weaver emerges as a candidate along with Mike McCarthy, noted for his experience in developing quarterbacks.
- Cleveland Browns' Unique Hiring Process
- The Browns are reportedly not Rooney Rule compliant and face scrutiny over their selection process.
- Their candidate assessment involves extensive data analysis, personality tests, and written assignments, which may deter some applicants.
- Dylan O’Brien’s In-Studio Appearance
- Promotion of *Send Help*
- O’Brien describes working with Sam Raimi, highlighting Raimi's humorous and disarming approach to directing.
- Discusses the film's psychological thriller aspects, including survival dynamics and unexpected twists.
- O’Brien's Optimism for the Jets
- Despite the Jets' poor season performance, O’Brien expresses hopefulness due to upcoming draft picks and potential rebuild strategies.
- Championship Game Predictions
- Rich and the crew share their predictions for the AFC and NFC Championship Games, highlighting the unpredictability of this NFL season.
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Key Takeaways
- Coaching Carousel: The NFL is experiencing significant changes with several high-profile teams searching for head coaches, each with unique challenges and considerations.
- Talent and Leadership Development: The importance of quarterback development is a critical factor for teams like the Steelers in their hiring decisions.
- Cleveland's Distinctive Approach: The Browns' method of utilizing data and psychological evaluations in their hiring process reflects a modernized approach to team management.
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Final Thoughts The episode blends insightful sports analysis with light-hearted celebrity interactions, showcasing Rich Eisen's ability to engage with both sports and pop culture. The discussions around NFL coaching dynamics and the prospects of the teams emphasize the constantly evolving landscape of professional football. ```
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOPrevious Show Highlights
1:30 to 2:15
Recap of previous guests and topics discussed on the show.
“Live from the Rich Eisen Show studio in Los Angeles.”
Introduction of Tom Pelissero
2:15 to 3:00
Rich introduces NFL Network insider Tom Pelissero to the audience.
“Dylan O 'Brien, whose new film coming out next week called Send Help is sitting in our green room.”
Coaching Changes in the NFL
3:00 to 6:00
Discussion on the Ravens hiring Jesse Minter as head coach and his background.
“You look like you're hunkered down, man.”
Joe Brady's Potential Role
6:00 to 10:00
Exploration of Joe Brady's potential as an offensive coordinator and his interviews.
“Those types of guys who run those offenses, all different shades of it, but all potentially could be a fit for where they want to take Lamar in that offense in Baltimore.”
Philip Rivers as a Coaching Candidate
10:00 to 14:00
Analyzing Philip Rivers' potential candidacy for a coaching position in the NFL.
“There's a lot of other things that go into that head coaching job.”
NFL Coaching Carousel Insights
14:00 to 18:49
Gain insights into the ongoing NFL coaching changes and McCarthy's standing.
“They could make a decision as soon as tomorrow.”
Browns' Unique Coaching Search Process
18:50 to 22:24
Learn about the Browns' unconventional approach in their coaching search.
“That said, we're sitting here the Friday before championship weekend.”
Dylan O'Brien's Directing Experience
25:36 to 28:01
Hear Dylan O'Brien share his experiences working with director Sam Raimi.
“He's almost kind of like a, you know, he fashions himself like a comedian, you know, and he is.”
Dylan O'Brien on Filming in Thailand
28:01 to 29:19
Dylan shares his experiences filming in Thailand and working with his co-stars.
“Yeah, half and half, like six weeks, five weeks.”
Career Decisions and Family Support
29:20 to 30:26
Dylan discusses his decision to pursue acting over sportscasting and his family's support.
“I follow your exploits and everything going on because, you know, I feel like you and I share a kinship.”
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The Journey to Acting
30:27 to 31:31
Dylan recounts how he transitioned from high school to pursuing acting.
“We'll basically like, we can pay your rent as long as you're in school.”
AFC Championship and Jets' Struggles
31:32 to 32:55
Dylan and the host discuss the Jets' performance and their struggles since the AFC Championship.
“I'm trying to, I'm trying to find the watershed moment here.”
NFL Draft Talk and Future Prospects
32:56 to 34:08
The conversation shifts to the upcoming NFL draft and potential players like Arch Manning.
“Sorry to laugh, but this is the only reaction you can possibly have.”
Win-Loss Predictions for the Season
34:09 to 36:49
Dylan participates in a win-loss prediction game for the NFL season.
“And the Jets are like, no, we'll take 27.”
Reflections on Optimism and Delusion
36:50 to 38:10
Dylan reflects on optimism regarding his team's performance and personal experiences.
“That's what happens in the win-loss game.”
Dylan's New Film and Send Help
38:11 to 40:50
The discussion wraps up with Dylan promoting his new film 'Send Help' and reflecting on his career.
“more delusional yeah it's uh it's wild but again you know listen you gotta own a bad call and i i I've never been one to not own my bad calls.”
Super Bowl Predictions and Coaching Carousel
43:26 to 45:24
Join the discussion on Super Bowl predictions and the NFL coaching changes.
“And that's why your neighbors trust them.”
NFL Landscape and Team Performance Insights
45:24 to 47:10
Explore insights on NFL team performances and the unpredictable nature of the league.
“Wasn't a full on coin flip about the way things could have gone.”
Transcript
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1:39Tom Pelissero:They love this guy. Rich Eisen. Earlier on the show, Dolphins head coach Jeff Halfley. New England Patriots cornerback Marcus Jones. Coming up, NFL Network insider Tom Pelissero. Actor Dylan O 'Brien. And now, it's Rich Eisen.
2:02Rich Eisen:we've had a first delightful two hours if I may say so enjoyed chatting with Jeff Halfley and Marcus um Marcus Jones for the first I almost said Marcus Smart uh Marcus Jones for the first times um the new head coach of the Dolphins and defensive slash special teams captain of the New England Patriots in the first two hours we had a what's more likely top five list all went down about people whose career narrative changes the most with the Super Bowl appearance all of that is available through podcast form or watching it back on Disney Plus or soon to be placed piecemeal on our YouTube channel, youtube.com slash Rich Eisen Show for those who may have missed it.
2:42Rich Eisen:Dylan O 'Brien, whose new film coming out next week called Send Help is sitting in our green room. He's gonna come out in less than 20 minutes time. He's a diehard Jet fan. So ironic that his new film is called Send Help. He'll be out here shortly. But joining us in his usual Friday spot from NFL Network, my fellow inside man, is ladies and gentlemen, Tom Pellicero. Good to see you, Tom. How are you? Good to see you, Rich. Doing great. What's up to my boys in the studio? Tommy P. What up, baby? What's up, Tommy? You look like you're hunkered down, man. You're killing it. That's what you look like to me, that you got all your supplies, the cold snaps out there right now.
3:21Rich Eisen:That's what you look like to me, Tom.
3:23Tom Pelissero:I have never seen it before. Checking the weather app last night. I wonder how cold it is. Feels like temp minus 41 here in Minneapolis. That's the record, I think, anytime I've ever checked it.
3:36Rich Eisen:If you weren't such a hardworking, lead pipe-wielding professional of your own right, looking at you in the sweats and seeing you, I'd think you'd given up. You know, like Seinfeld style. You've given up. This is it. But it's okay. Lots going on. It says catastrophic ice and heavy snow. Ladies and gentlemen. Yeah. Catastrophic. I mean, it's like frozen. Wow. All right, Tom. Let's get into the sports here and the naming of Jesse Minter. It didn't surprise me, but walk me through the Ravens process that wound up with the DC of the Chargers as the HC.
4:12Tom Pelissero:When we were doing the breaking news on John Harbaugh being fired a couple of weeks ago, one of the first names that came out of my mouth as a logical replacement was Jesse Minter. He had been in that building for four years. We all know about the Baltimore to Michigan to the Chargers-Harbaugh connection. Minter has checked all three of those boxes, spent his time in Michigan, then was the defensive coordinator of the Chargers. Didn't get any head coaching interviews last year, but certainly had a bunch of opportunities. You know, really this came to a head a couple of days ago. He was down in Miami interviewing for the Raiders head coaching job, then flew to Baltimore to interview for the Ravens job, had a second interview schedule with the Browns.
4:53Tom Pelissero:He let them know if they weren't going to make him an offer, he wasn't going to come and go through the second interview. And everybody, including the Raiders, believed Minter was probably going to end up back in Baltimore. The interesting part of the timing here, Rich, was they essentially knew they were hiring Jesse Minter on Wednesday night. The issue was they had a Thursday interview with Joe Brady. Well, they wanted to go through with that interview in part, I believe, because Joe Brady now, depending on how some other things fall, could end up being the offensive coordinator. Another logical name that came up way back at the start of this is a potential candidate to take over.
5:28Tom Pelissero:When you're talking about Lamar Jackson, his skill set at this time in his career, he's not built like Josh Allen, but there are some similar types of things that you can do in terms of the run threat, in terms of the vertical passing. Joe Brady would be a fit. Now the question becomes, does Joe Brady get the Bills head coaching job? Does he potentially get the Cardinals head coaching job, which he interviewed for a couple of days ago? Is there even a scenario where he goes back to Buffalo as the OC? That seems like the least likely of the options right now. We'll see how some of these things fall, and it might take a little bit of time.
6:00Tom Pelissero:But if you're talking about who the likely candidates would be to take over the offense now in Baltimore, with Minter coming from the defensive side, I would put Joe Brady, along with the likes of Cliff Kingsbury, as a potential option. Maybe Matt Nagy could be an option. Those types of guys who run those offenses, all different shades of it, but all potentially could be a fit for where they want to take Lamar in that offense in Baltimore.
6:21Rich Eisen:So I guess, as you know, it's a what's more likely Friday. Who's more likely to be back in Buffalo next year, Joe Brady or Keon Coleman, Tom?
6:30Tom Pelissero:Keon Coleman, through no fault, really, well, I guess his fault because of various things and, you know, not showing up on time for meetings, dropping footballs in the end zone. He kind of did put himself in that position, but fairly rare for the owner to jump in and let everyone know exactly who was at fault for a pick that to this point doesn't look like it's worked out very well. There were a lot of different things in that press conference. You think, Tom? Any of us who have spent any amount of time, though, around Terry Pagula, no. He doesn't speak publicly often. But when he does, there is no filter.
7:03Tom Pelissero:You don't quite know what he's going to say. He is extremely blunt and honest. And you got a lot of honesty through the course of that press conference, whether it was about Keon Coleman, whether it was about him defending Brandon Bean. Somebody in the crowd asked Bean about various things in terms of the idea that he ran a power play, and Terry said something that maybe shed a little bit of light on things beyond the scenes, which is if you're running a power play, you're out. I'm not saying Sean McDermott ran a power play, but certainly McDermott had voiced his concerns and frustration with what he perceived to be not having enough talent on the roster.
7:41Tom Pelissero:Obviously, Pagula so strongly disagreed with that that not only did he fire Sean McDermott, he promoted Brandon Bean, who now is going to be over the top of the new head coach rather than both reporting to the owner. And Bean, along with Terry Pagula, along with Josh Allen, who they made abundantly clear in that press conference is going to be sitting in on everything here. They are now running a unique coaching search that depending who you ask, this might be the best job of all 10 that we are filling in this offseason cycle.
8:09Rich Eisen:Yeah, despite the bluntness or the emotions that we saw spilled out by Terry Pagula in that conversation, he did hold on to a coach for nine years and he does have Josh Allen. And that is something that I think a lot of people would love, along with the fan base and the new stadium and lots of reason to be excited. Otherwise, in Western New York, is Philip Rivers really in line? Like, I know we were talking about him as a possible coaching candidate down the line. And he did say in front of his locker before going back to Alabama prep school coach that absolutely he thinks he could coach in the NFL.
8:49Rich Eisen:Is this real, Tom?
8:52Tom Pelissero:Well, let's go back for a second here just in terms of the parallels. And I'm not going to bring up Jeff Saturday because nobody wants to be put in that sentence in terms of how that worked out when he came back for the Colts. But you remember several years ago, Josh McCown was coaching high school football. all of a sudden the Houston Texans brought him in and interviewed him for the head coaching job. There was a feeling there were some people in the organization at that time who wanted to hire Josh McCown as the head coach immediately because he had all the traits, because he had played close to 20 years in the league, because he had some experience even if it was at the high school level, had been in that seat.
9:29Tom Pelissero:Phillip Rivers is certainly a Hall of Fame caliber player. He's a better player than Josh McCown. The question is, is he a stronger coaching candidate based upon the credentials that he would bring into the building? If you're looking at somebody who's going to bring energy and leadership, certainly, you know, Philip Rivers, by virtue of him, you know, playing a football game after three practices at age 44, looking like he had not passed on dessert a whole lot during his four plus years outside of the league. If he can go back and do that with his brain, what could he do if he's out there just calling plays for a quarterback?
10:02Tom Pelissero:There's a lot of other things that go into that head coaching job. I know in the NBA it's more common for former players just to step right in. It's a much more complicated job, frankly, to come into the NFL. Not impossible. They're interviewing him for a reason. Maybe like Josh McCown, it could end up being all right. He's not ready to be the head coach now, but can we convince him to come in and be the quarterback's coach or even the offensive coordinator? I would tell you this. They're wide open in terms of this search. I know that people initially said, well, it's Joe Brady versus Brian Dable.
10:32Tom Pelissero:Those guys both have interviewed for the job. Both are possibilities. I would say probably Joe Brady a little bit more strongly than Brian Dable at this time. But they want to go in with an open mind. This is something very open-minded to bring in Phillip Rivers. They're doing these interviews down in Florida. He lives in Alabama. It's a short trip over. If nothing else, you're going to be entertained by a few hours in that room. But they didn't want to take a hard line of, we've got to have an offensive coordinator be the guy that we're promoting. It can't just be, we need this specific profile.
11:01Tom Pelissero:They don't want to be doing another search for another nine plus years. And the fact that Josh is in those meetings, you know, they're very seriously going to take into account what he wants. You know, he played against Phillip Rivers. The two of them have a relationship. We'll see exactly how real this becomes. I would just tell you, Rich, I don't get the sense that, you know, you're going to wake up tomorrow and Phillip Rivers is the new head coach of the Bills. I believe they are going to be patient through this process. They quite likely are going to do some additional interviews next week.
11:27Tom Pelissero:But because of the rules, anybody who wins their games this weekend, they can't talk to next week. They have to have the coaches, those teams lose in order to talk to them because they didn't do an initial round back while Sean McDermott still had a job because they were in the playoffs.
11:43Rich Eisen:Tom Pelissero here on the Rich Eisen Show. Where does the Steelers head coaching search sit, Tom?
11:51Tom Pelissero:They're with Anthony Weaver right now, Dolphins defensive coordinator. Ever with Anthony Weaver, and he's been in the cycle now three or four times. everywhere that Weaver interviews, I remember he interviewed in Atlanta at one time, he interviewed in Washington. Everyone who interviews him says he's unbelievable. You know, he's a former player, you know, has coached in the league for a number of years, but also played, including with the Ravens, who interviewed him for their head coaching job. Very, very engaging, has strong leadership traits, will need a strong staff around him. But you can say that for a lot of young coaches within the league.
12:21Tom Pelissero:If you think about what the Steelers' historical hiring patterns have been, Weaver's a little bit older. He's in his 40s. usually they've hired guys in their mid-30s to be the head coach and then try to keep them for 15 to 20 or more years. But Weaver fills a lot of those things that generally the Rooney family has been looking for. But I would also say Mike McCarthy remains a serious candidate. He had his interview in person for the job on Wednesday. Pittsburgh guy, this would be his dream job. He grew up rooting for the Steelers. Mike McCarthy brings something different to the table than I think virtually any other candidate for any job in this cycle, which is the quarterback development history.
12:59Tom Pelissero:If eventually you are needing, whether it's Will Howard or somebody you're drafting, you're going to have to develop a young quarterback. And everywhere Mike McCarthy has been, from being in Kansas City and bringing along Rich Gannon into the second act of his career, Brett Favre, who had had a down period in Green Bay, and he was a Super Bowl, or excuse me, MVP runner-up in 2007, Aaron Rodgers going from a guy who did not look good in his first preseason in the league to being a four-time NFL MVP. And Dak Prescott played the best football of his life under Mike McCarthy. I'll never understand where it's the slight that Mike McCarthy takes in terms of not being put in that same category as the guys with almost identical resumes to him, the Tomlins and Sean Paytons and John Harbaugh's of the world.
13:43Tom Pelissero:McCarthy's a very serious candidate in Pittsburgh for a reason. And they still may choose to go on longer because, again, Art Rooney has not presided over a coaching search yet. And given how rarely the Steelers do one, this may be the only one that he does before he passes it down to the next generation of the family. They may take their time here. They could make a decision as soon as tomorrow. I would think, if I were guessing, this goes into next week, which would allow them to go back and spend some in-person time, potentially with, for instance, Chris Shula and Nate Sheelhaus, two guys that they interviewed in that first virtual round.
14:15Rich Eisen:Well, answering the question you just had moments ago, Tom, you know, about why McCarthy's not placed in a much higher level of respect by media members or owners for another job outside of Jerry Jones. There was that damaging article after he got fired midseason by the Packers that Rogers was calling plays on his own because he didn't trust McCarthy's play calling anymore. There was all the crazy stuff about how prepared McCarthy was for games itself, whether that's right or wrong. That's a narrative that's tough to to to break up to the point where we have time for it now. You kind of surprised us on a Monday conversation.
14:53Rich Eisen:We were out of time when you said that that Rogers could potentially come back to Pittsburgh if they hire McCarthy. So those two are copacetic, Tom.
15:02Tom Pelissero:those two have a relationship that transcends um the professional relationship which i think like plenty of them if you're around anyone long enough you know you become so comfortable that you can be contentious with them at times i mean with aaron rogers he knows what mike mccarthy has done for his career he has spoken publicly uh about that and you know when mike was like go encourage people in green bay to give him the type of send-off that frankly he didn't really get from the Packers organization when they fired him an hour after a game at Lambeau Field. Those two spent time together the first time that Mike with the Cowboys went back and faced Aaron.
15:42Tom Pelissero:They've always had a longstanding positive relationship. I do believe that if Aaron Rodgers were coming back to play for one coach in 2026, it would be Mike McCarthy. But I think the people may have misconstrued when I mentioned that on the show the other day as, well, this is the Steelers trying to lure back Aaron Rodgers. That's not it at all. If they hire Mike McCarthy, and that's not a given, if they hire Mike McCarthy, they are doing it for the totality of what direction they think that they can go right now. They've got a very, very veteran roster. Art Rooney has said publicly he never wants to rip it to the studs and go full tank mode and just take a season off.
16:19Tom Pelissero:He doesn't, he feels like every season is too important for that. So if you were sitting there going, what do we need to like push this roster forward? Yes, there's going to be some changes. There are some longtime Mike Tomlin guys who probably aren't going to be back on this team, but why not get a guy whose track record has been winning everywhere that he has been? McCarthy's been to the playoffs 12 times in 18 seasons. He's developed quarterbacks. You know, if you look at the offensive numbers, he's had very good offenses throughout the course of his career. The potential of an Aaron Rodgers return is just, it's kind of a bonus.
16:53Tom Pelissero:It at least keeps that door open where if there's another coach who has no relationship with Aaron Rodgers he might just say you know I've had enough and I know that you know there was there were several different things that were written at the time I think that any time that you have these long time relationships that begin to go south you know there's people who you know may have access to grind or they you know simply aren't happy anymore Aaron has always been somebody who you know he'll say certain things and he'll take his little shots and that's that's just his personality, but in terms of where their relationship is now, I think that that, you know, in itself speaks to how overblown, you know, the frankly hate toward Mike McCarthy has gotten.
17:34Tom Pelissero:I mean, I don't know what more you want to get out of your head coach than, you know, being in the mix every single year. Yeah, you want to win playoff games. Mike McCarthy's won more playoff games than any active coach, except for Andy Reid and John Harbaugh. He's got more playoff wins than Mike Tomlin, then Sean Payton, then the younger guys like McVay and Shanahan, who obviously have a long way to go. Mike McCarthy's been a highly successful coach in the NFL. The Cowboys, since their last Super Bowl win, Rich, have exactly six seasons of 12 wins or more. Three of those were by McCarthy in a five-year span.
18:10Tom Pelissero:It's baffling to me how Mike McCarthy gets put into this bucket of not being in the same tier as those other coaches, which, you know, frankly, Mike's not immune to it, and it's one of many reasons that he'd be highly motivated not to mention the fact that you know he grew up sweeping the floors at his dad's bar and grill in in pittsburgh and cheering for the steelers on sundays to go back after coaching the packers and the cowboys and take on maybe the third most iconic franchise in all of football would be pretty cool nfl insider tom mccarthy here on
18:40Rich Eisen:the rich eisen show all right uh in the uh couple minutes i have left here tom um let's go here Jimmy Haslam bristled at the Browns front office and operation being termed dysfunctional. That said, we're sitting here the Friday before championship weekend. The job is still open from the first Monday of the coaching cycle. Word is they are not Rooney Rule compliant. They cannot hire somebody right now. The Bills might be looking at somebody that they want to hire. the bills are already Rudy rule compliant their jobs been open a fraction of the time and we're reading about people pulling their names out of consideration for the Browns head coaching job what is happening there Tom Pelosero first of all I would say Andrew Barry is the last person who is
19:33Tom Pelissero:just going to interview somebody solely to fulfill the Rooney rule if he's conducting an interview he wants it to be with someone who's a real candidate Mike McDaniel would have fulfilled that. He decided that he just didn't want to follow through on that job coming off of his initial Zoom here. So that's one factor. You're right. They're the only team that has not conducted a single qualifying interview. That'll change or is scheduled to change next week when they have a second interview with Nate Sheelhaus from the Rams. I would just say this. The Browns search process and interview process, which they have run a number of times, is unlike any other in the NFL.
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20:10Tom Pelissero:And it plays to certain types of candidates. They are a data-driven operation in Cleveland. And so they spend an extraordinary amount of time gathering data on their coaching candidates. You're talking about taking a personality test. You're talking about writing an essay. You're talking about completing homework assignments going into both the first and the second rounds of interviews. it plays toward the types of candidates that they have in the mix, which is very, very smart people in a lot of cases that just often happen to be tall, thin guys who came from Ivy League schools, so that's certainly not a requirement.
20:51Tom Pelissero:That's the type of candidate generally that is going to fit into a data-driven environment. There's a written test?
20:58Rich Eisen:There's a written test, huh? Really? Like they want you to write an essay? This is why I want to be the coach of the Cleveland Browns?
21:04Tom Pelissero:or questionnaires um a multi-part essay a personality test and then additional homework assignments if you get through the first round to get into the second round and you can imagine
21:16Rich Eisen:then the answer can't be google me like you can't go signetti i'm sure i know i'm being flippant tom but that that to me i i don't know you're you're you're hopping around the country interviewing for jobs kids spouses boxes because you've hit the road and you're going to sit down
21:37Tom Pelissero:and write an essay you know you could imagine then when certain candidates decide not to follow through on interviews part of it may be that it's more than just show up in a nice suit and answer questions in the room and that speaks to how the browns organization operates paul de podesta got there 10 years ago. He built out a massive data and analytics department. Those people have a strong voice in everything that the Browns do. There's a lot of time that is consumed once you're on the job with those conversations. And so the interview process is kind of a preview of that. So we'll see what direction their search goes.
22:16Tom Pelissero:Again, Grant Udinski, Nate Sheilhaus, two big brain dudes who you know again happen to be tall thin guys um uh they both are in the mix udinski's there now she has expected interview on monday if it's not one of those two then the other the other candidates that we know of as of right now are jim schwartz who's the defensive coordinator who they want to keep regardless and todd monken who does not fit in any of the categories that i just mentioned other than he's a very intelligent guy who's run successful offenses in the NFL I would tell you Rich the sense is the Browns are very intrigued by the Udinski and Sheilhouse possibilities because they're both guys who are I mean Grant just turned 30 he's in his first year as the Jaguars OC but he's unbelievably brilliant Sheilhouse is in his mid-30s you know was at Iowa State most recently with the Rams those guys fit the pattern uh if they are not if they ultimately the Browns on their scorecards that they collect do not decide that those guys are the best candidates, then the default, the belief within the league is the default would be Jib Schwartz.
23:21Tom Pelissero:Then you're trying to figure out, all right, well now what do you do on offense to pair him? Who is willing to take that offensive coordinator job? There's just a lot of steps in the process, Rich, but the Browns, this is not new. They have done this for a long time. And it's just, as one high-powered coaching agent said to me the other day when we were going through the list of all the openings the browns are the browns their process is different than everyone else's and
23:44Rich Eisen:we'll see where it leads them this time tom thanks for the time i'll see you on nfl game day morning 9 a.m eastern time six hours on nfl network see you buddy can't wait tom pellicero everybody right here on the rich eyes and show let's beat it we're late for dylan o 'brien bring him on out the star of sent help with rachel mcadams coming up if you're like me and my family you're all about creating amazing memories while on vacation. And for me, many of those have involved a home we found on Airbnb. We had such great experiences that whenever we travel somewhere new, we always check Airbnb first to find a place that fits our needs.
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26:01Rich Eisen:What was that like for you? He's very silly. Get out of here. Yeah, he's a very silly guy. He's very funny. All right. He's almost kind of like a, you know, he fashions himself like a comedian, you know, and he is. He's very funny. He's very physically funny. He does very committed bits. the first time I ever met him I walked into his office and he had a paper bag on his head yeah and like he's like hey pal how are you okay and he kept it on for like 8 minutes and the whole time I was just going like alright I'm out of here like and it's incredible he does things like that yeah two holes cut out and then he started kind of he had a lack of oxygen going on so we had to get it off his, he's like, all right, actually, and then it was like, he's like, it swelled a little bit in the heat and he's trying to get it off his head, but it's very disarming.
26:55I would say so. You know what I mean though? Honestly, like you walk in and it's like, you know, I've known who the guy is my whole life. Of course. You know, so, you know, you can be a little nervous and wondering what he's going to be like. I already had like a little idea because of weird texts that he would send me and the time I met him over Zoom, but that moment is very like welcoming. It's very like a sort of disarming way to start off the creative professional relationship. It sort of goes a long way in terms of how he operates, which is really wanting your contribution, you know, and your ideas.
27:28You know, he's not like a dictator, you know, and that's that breeds a good environment.
27:32Rich Eisen:Well, again, you play Rachel McAdams's boss. Yeah. And you're on a, you know, private flight and disaster hits. and then all of a sudden, you know, the dynamic of your relationship changes because, you know, you're now in survivalist mode. Yeah. And a psychological thriller breaks out here, you know? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, and there's a lot of, they set that initial dynamic, but what they've done a really cool job of too, all the while getting the movie out there, is they've really preserved sort of the, there's a lot more like twists and turns and it becomes like a battle of wits and a very chess matchy kind of, the movie takes on so many different shapes, like the ground's constantly moving underneath you, so you never kind of know where it's going to be.
28:13Rich Eisen:And you shot this in Thailand, right? Yeah, Sydney and then Thailand. Yeah, half and half, like six weeks, five weeks. Damn. Yeah, it was wild. So were you just setting up camp on this island, essentially? Like Survivor shooting this thing? No, it's so much more glamorous than that. Okay. I mean, it was like a dream job, you know, just like with Sam and Rachel's amazing. She seems really nice. She's the coolest. Is she Canadian? She is Canadian. That makes sense. Very good. Yeah. I mean, they all are. They all are nice and or have crazy road rage. It's one or the other. You know what I mean? It's one or the other.
28:50They're either just like, oh, yeah. Are you driving in a golf cart with her to set and she starts yelling at people? No, no, not Rachel. She's the best. No, just I know from being in Toronto. Oh, okay. To be fair, though, that traffic is so crazy. So it does something. It must do something to them.
29:05Rich Eisen:Okay. All right. Well, again, this looks pretty sweet for you, and it's coming out on January 30th. And, you know, again, Twinless, which you were here for the last time, congrats on being nominated for a Spirit Award for that, dude. Thank you. Thank you, dude. You saw that? That's so cool. Of course. I appreciate that so much. I follow your exploits and everything going on because, you know, I feel like you and I share a kinship. We do. And emotional scars. We do. We do. Drama bond. Drama bond. Yeah, it's sweet. It's sweet. Is it true you were set up to go to the Newhouse School in Syracuse to do sportscasting and decided to go acting instead?
29:40That is somewhat true. Okay. Yeah. I don't know how set up it was. I did have scholarship money from, weirdly enough, YouTube videos that I had made in high school that actually were the funny little things that I had out there that ended up getting me into acting. um but yeah that was the Syracuse was the only uh four year at the time when I was graduating that that I that I was uh considering doing and then I um I kind of asked my parents how they felt about me staying and and hitting community college and trying the auditioning thing which had just very um uh overnight been presented as an opportunity and and how'd that go over with my parents yeah i mean very luckily you know i mean my dad's a camera operator so uh he's you know he's worked on sets my whole life and um and my parents both are big movie lovers my mom was uh an actress when she was younger she acted in high school went to performing arts high school in new york you know like so i have two like movie lover parents and uh yeah that went a long way in in understanding that conversation because uh especially at the time you know i graduated high school in 2009 it was very much so still like four year was the track i think community college and transfer was even just sort of um but my father had done that route uh in new york he had went tost john's and then uh community and then transferred to nyu uh so and you know they just yeah my mom was very encouraging about the acting thing too she was very kind of like always thought i might be good at it if i tried it out but i never did growing up and then um So yeah, they were like, listen, community college, here's the deal.
31:22We'll basically like, we can pay your rent as long as you're in school. And that's the deal. And so that's kind of how we did it.
31:31Rich Eisen:Okay. So, and so ever since you made that decision. Yeah. The Jets haven't made the play. Dylan, you knew where he was going. Yeah. Yeah. I'm trying to, I'm trying to find the watershed moment here. Sure. Literally. No, they went to the AFC championship in 2010. Okay. Okay. Very good. Very good. They did. And then ever since then. And then ever since then. Yeah. It is. It is. All right. Let's get into it. What's going on? Well, the Patriots are on the doorstep of the Super Bowl. Stop it now. Bring it up. Yeah. Could you imagine, again, like what's worse? The Patriots zoom past the Jets in that diamond lane, you know, and you thought like they were just, they were even worse.
32:13Rich Eisen:No, in the NFL diamond lane, like you zoom straight past. And then. and then may have to face Darnold in the Super Bowl. Sammy D? Yeah. Darnold makes the Super Bowl, and the Patriots make it. I would love it for him. Listen, I would love it for him. Of course. The Pats, come on. It's just not fair. I get it. Drake May, it's just not fair. They keep hitting. They keep hitting. You know, we just never hit. Even when we hit, they got to go somewhere else to hit. That's right. It's actually fascinating. Robert Sala might be the next one on that list, too. Let's see. We'll see. We'll see. but it's just another organization that's like, okay.
32:49Rich Eisen:I know. I see what you got, Robert Sala, that the Jets just decided in midseason. Didn't work out. Yeah, yeah, it wasn't for us. Yeah. It wasn't for us. You know? Sorry to laugh, but this is the only reaction you can possibly have. It's how we got, what do you think? It's how I even developed a sense of humor. Because again, now it's being asked of you to believe in a rebuild again. Now it's being asked, like, now we've got the GM and the coach combination. Sure. To trade away sauce and Quinn in and amass all these draft choices. Five first rounders next two years. And at some point go back into the draft and find the guy.
33:24Rich Eisen:Like, trust us. Yeah, we'll get those guys again. Right. Yeah, yeah. And make sure they're in good hands this time. Oh, yeah. We'll get them again. Sure. Here's what's embarrassing. I'm excited. Don't be embarrassed. You know what's funny? It's like that's the sickness. That's the sickness. I'm like, man, we got three first rounders next year. We got two this year. I'm just like looking at the, you know, I'm already getting into the. And Arch Manning's going to be in that draft with the three firsts. That is true. That's, I do hear that that's the year, if you're looking for a QB, wait until 2026.
33:55Rich Eisen:Well, they purpose, they did that on purpose. Like they had a choice to say to, well, yes. Do you think we did that on purpose? No doubt, no doubt that the Cowboys, I'm sure, were willing to, like, let's get the firsts out of the way. They had an extra one next year because they, Micah, they could flip one. And the Jets are like, no, we'll take 27. We'll take that. Yeah, okay. I think 100 % that happened. Yeah, the 2027 draft is supposed to be the deep QB draft. Yeah. Arch, what do you think about Arch, though? I mean, there's a lot of... Well, you're asking a Michigan Wolverine who watched him blossom and bloom.
34:26Rich Eisen:Yeah, it all happened right in front of you. Yeah. Right in front of me. He found it. He did. And TJ's got one of his rookie cards he's waiting to cash in for, what, a yacht? Oh, wow. What do you imagine? Buying a boat, Dylan. Arch is going... Like Elmo G. Fudd millionaire over there? He's got the bus, the jacket, about six of them. That wasn't exactly siphoning a diamond that nobody was on. You know what I mean? But I did this four years ago. Oh, okay. These are high school. I would have gotten an Arch Manning card when he was seven. No one did. Just hearing that he was born. No one did. No one did.
34:57He's like, yeah, but I'm the only guy who did it.
34:59Rich Eisen:That's awesome. Well, that said, and this is why you're such a good sport, that you're like, you had the foresight. Let's review your work. Uh-oh. I've been told you requested this. Am I wrong? That's why I came back on the show, baby. Well, that and send help is in theaters nationwide next Friday. The timing was immaculate. I only did a movie that came out at this time so I can wrap this back around. You were last on this program in September. Not sure what you're talking about. To talk about Twinless again, which is available on Hulu in the Disney universe. Oh, yeah. Okay. It's coming back to me.
35:30Rich Eisen:So you were. And here you are. We pick it up mid win loss game of you choosing your win losses. All right. yeah let's see what is it hit it what happened home for the falcons wait i'm screwing this up it's okay just say it surprise beat the falcons six six for the dolphins miami god i'd love to beat miami twice is it gonna happen do it uh i think at this point miami's a mess and we uh we win seven and six seven and six am i insane um keep going keep going you got it feel it this dude looks almost exactly i think i have to give us two more out yeah yeah we beat jacksonville beat new orleans that's four wins in a row now you're home for the patriots do it do it do it Do it.
36:29Do it. Do it. I took that loss in New England, so let's give us the win at home.
36:33Rich Eisen:Yes, at five wins in a row at the Bills. You know the Bills arresting people. Do it. We go to Western New York, and we take it from the Bills. Yes, six wins in a row. One, two, three, four, five, six. What's happening right now? Eleven and six, says Dylan O 'Brien. Yeah. What's your chest? How did I end up there? That's what happens in the win-loss game. You see that freeze frame of this? Yeah, sure. Here, go. My cousin memed that himself. Did he really? The day I did this episode, and he would send it to me all season. No way. And he'd send it to me. And it's also, by the way, this person that you just showed, it does look like strikingly like me.
37:14It's crazy. It's very close.
37:17Rich Eisen:Doppelganger. Hey, you were right. They beat the Falcons. I did. Which, by the way, cost the Falcons a division title and maybe ultimately their coach, their job. Spoiler, baby. Miami wasn't you know was close to a mess although maybe not when you saw him no the New England one you know Drake May didn't play in the second half because he had five touchdowns before halftime that one's incredible that one's a little off to look back on yeah yeah and the Bills were resting they were resting and uh uh and and it looked pretty easy for them still um did I get yeah so I did get I did get one it's wild here's what's here's the here's how deep the delusion goes please i still think they got a shot like this season coming up yeah no no no it's current one how how does that manifest itself it doesn't it's impossible but but i'm just like they still who's more delusional dylan o 'brien here or dylan o 'brien in his new movies listen more delusional yeah it's uh it's wild but again you know listen you gotta own a bad call and i i I've never been one to not own my bad calls.
38:24I famously, in my own life as well, do you know the app Uber? Like, have you ever heard of the Uber app? Sure.
38:32Rich Eisen:Yeah, so it's a ride share. Yeah, anyway. So when this first came out back in the day, my girlfriend at the time, she was like, hey, I'm going to go meet my friends. And I was like, oh, how are you getting there? You want to drive me? And she's like, no, there's a new app, you know, and it's called Uber. And I'm like, Uber, what the hell is this? And she was like, oh, it's like an app. And so a guy is coming to, you know, pick me up. And I'm like, in what? What guy? Who is it? What are you talking about? And I was like, so a stranger is coming to pick you up in their personal car and take you to the bar.
39:15And you're telling me that? And I was like, yeah, this has got no legs. Also, I was like, Uber? It's a terrible name. It's never going to catch on. And guess what?
39:30Rich Eisen:I thought the story was going to go where you had an opportunity to invest in it and turned it down. So you thought that was going? Yeah, that would have been awesome. No, but I wouldn't have. I would have bet everything I had against it. and you know listen i got it wrong dude i got it wrong to you it happens so you've heard of optimism your glass glass half fullness is inspiring i appreciate it's inspiring to me i appreciate that to all jet fans it's inspiring another quick is it a jet thing because you're like that too everything's glass half full except that because we're 14 year old who said i hate this team you saw that video right the 14 year old kid oh oh he's the man he's the man i hate this team yeah yeah i i love that kid uh because that is that's listen he's going through the motions by the way i guarantee you he doesn't feel that way now he's excited about the 320 first rounders he's excited he's already he's already scheming at who we're going to take two in the first round this year he's building he's building on his madden video game i know what he's doing it breeds i know what he's doing.
40:35It breeds optimism. It breeds not just relying on winning. You got to find some other resource for happiness.
40:47Rich Eisen:Again, his new film is fittingly called Send Help. Yeah, really. Send it. Send help. Can we bring back the jerseys, by the way? Can we, can we, they finished the, our old, you know, the 2000 era. Oh, like the Klecko. We finished week 18 against the Bills. Remember? There you go. Bring them back. Bring them back. I'm so sick. They just, it looks like a... They're running it back. Looks like a Canadian Football League team. It looks like an Arena Football League team. And maybe we are. No, no, no. I want you to stay positive. Stay positive, please. Stay positive, please. Send help is in theaters nationwide next Friday, January 30th.
41:23Rich Eisen:Again, congratulations on a Spirit Award for your work in Twinless, which is currently available. I appreciate that very much. You bet. to stream on Hulu, which is what you should do once this show is over. Great to see you, Dylan O 'Brien. Great to see you always. Anytime. This spot is available for you, sir. Appreciate you, man. Thank you. Certainly since when the Jets next schedule had to be. There it is. There it is. There it is. My cousins.
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44:09The Los Angeles Rams.
44:11Rich Eisen:Who makes Super Bowl 60, TJ Jefferson? The Inglewood Rams. The AFC participant? oh i only asked him who do the patriots because i'm assuming he's not taking denver you know what man why not the afc participant unfortunately rich i hate to say it is what team do you think would hurt me the most to say i i don't know i mean the patriots really hurt you what does it that means he's gonna be happy and talking a lot not with none of them well i mean but unfortunately I think the Pats are going. Okay. I'm leaning in that direction too. I'm not happy about it. I'm leaning in that direction as well. Rams, Patriots, or?
44:51Rich Eisen:Well, I mean, I had the Rams winning it all. So I know that sounds like a cop-out in something like this because why wouldn't I now look at the way the Seahawks have been playing, what happened the last time they played, what happened the last two times they played, it could go in any direction. Their team's kind of trending in the opposite directions, really. I mean, the Rams. I don't know about that. The Rams. The Rams. Should have lost last week. Oh, I mean, the Bears should have lost last week, too. I mean, the only team that you look at. Give me a division game other than the Seattle game where it's like.
45:24Rich Eisen:Wasn't a full on coin flip about the way things could have gone. There wasn't. You know, you your team should have lost last week, too. I mean, I don't know if I agree with Orlovsky that name any other quarterback in the league and they would have won that game. He did walk that back. I know he did, but I think he was just making a point as to how C.J. Stroud underperformed in a game that was winnable. They had a completely enough thought. Honestly, Seattle's the only division winner where the answer is clear who was the better team that day and deserving of moving on to the championship game.
45:59Rich Eisen:But I will also say, like, none of these four, either matchup, any matchup you come up with, I believe. Of course. Well, that makes sense in this crazy, mixed-up NFL world where it's been anything goes, anything can happen. Any coach can get fired out of the blue. One guy goes to the divisional round and gets fired two days later, and the owner says he's pissed about the way it all ended, but it's not the reason why that one ended. It's the way everything's ended. And it's tough to square that circle. and then you get two guys of tenure no longer coming back in a coaching carousel. You got one other guy, Mike McDaniel, who's fired in the middle of an exit interview.
46:43Rich Eisen:That's crazy. On a Thursday. So why can't anybody win on championship Sunday and make the Super Bowl? 100%. Wide open this year. No doubt. Chris, what was this, that 15 straight seasons, either the Chiefs or the Pats? Yep. Well, and if you go back two more seasons, it's either the Patriots, Chiefs, and the Jets. Okay, we're not going to do that. I'm doing that out of respect to Dylan O 'Brien. Enjoy the games. Enjoy the games, everybody. You see on NFL Network Sunday. Thanks for listening to the Rich Eisen Show podcast. You can watch and listen to the Rich Eisen Show live weekdays from noon to 3 Eastern on ESPN Radio, Disney Plus, and on the ESPN app.
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