Hour 3: ‘Overreaction Tuesday,’ Knicks Dynasty Debate, plus ESPN CFB Analyst Josh Pate

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1:14Earlier on the show, MLB insider Jeff Passan. NFL Network insider Tom Pelissero. Coming up, ESPN college football analyst Josh Pate. And now it's Rich Heisen.

1:30Rich Eisen:Hour number three of the Rich Heisen show is on the air. It's been a very Brendan Soresby heavy program with the Texas Tech quarterback apparently getting set to tap out on his legal path to playing in the NCAA this year and go to the NFL and say, I'd like to join you now and have a supplemental draft. and we talked about it with Tom Pelissero from the NFL perspective of things, Josh Pate, who he spoke about, who I think we last spoke with two Mondays ago when Sorsby first got a ruling from a Tarrant County judge there in Texas saying you could just sit out two games and play because the NCAA didn't support you in your battle with mental illness in the form of a gambling addiction.

2:27Rich Eisen:Josh is going to join us with his two cents on that. 844-204-RICH is the number to dial. Jeff Passan showed up, and we had a very entertaining and informative and enlightening chat with the Baseball Insider in Hour One. If you missed any of our show, there's our YouTube channel. Over 1.1 million subscribers slash followers there right now. Um, and there's also the Disney plus page that, uh, you can watch us live through and check out all of our archive material, including this episode today, as soon as it's over. We appreciate you doing that. There's our podcast. You can listen to us as well. Uh, 844-204-RICH is the number to dial on the program.

3:06Rich Eisen:We're about to have a, an overreaction Monday on a Tuesday in a moment, but just want to revisit what we spoke about quite a bit yesterday. and that's the New York Knicks winning a championship. This is day three of my life where I can recall waking up in the morning and say my Knicks are NBA champions. I still can't believe it's happened. It really is unbelievable. I'm enjoying watching them go through the media car wash, if you will, all over Jimmy Fallon's program. I think every Knicks showed up on Jimmy Fallon last night. I love all that stuff. I can't wait for the parade. The parade is on Thursday.

3:37Rich Eisen:I like championship parades. I just love, you know, everything. Everybody's kind of endearing. Mike Brown is endearing. The fact that he sings, who let the dogs out because that's what his flag football team that he coached when he was in San Antonio as an assistant under Popovich. That's what they were. They were called the dogs and that was their chance. So he mentioned that from the podium before game one of that series. And I'm like, this will be used as a moment after the finals to point out that either Mike Brown was not ready for prime time or was keeping everybody loosey-goosey and is a champion head coach.

4:12Rich Eisen:Thank goodness it's the latter. and you're seeing him and Brunson saying he's got to stop doing that. And apparently they didn't know the background to this. Oh, okay. Baja men twist to the story that I did not see coming. Yeah, he was with Cat and Brunson last night. I forget what show. Yes. They looked utterly embarrassed by him. Well, you know what? It's fun. It's endearing. It's great. Even I believe Brunson and Josh Hart's podcast put out a video of James Dolan talking to the team before the playoff run. Did you see this? I've seen clips of this. And his speech was inspiring. Like, I was totally blown away by it.

5:00Rich Eisen:For real? Yes. I'm not kidding. I watched it. I'm like, way to go, man. What a message to deliver to this team. And the thing that really hit me, the thing that really hit me is he said to all of them, when we win the championship, he basically said, I believe you can win this. You've just got to sacrifice. You've got to, you've just got to, for these next 10 weeks, place everything else aside and focus on this. and he said at one point when we win the championship not only will you get a ring but i'll give a ring to your significant other or spouse yeah i always thought wondered about that and he goes i think most of you in this room have one but if you don't pick out whoever's the most important person in your life to help you get to this point and win it all that person will get a ring that's pretty dope he turned into oprah like you'll get a ring you'll get a ring and your wife will get a ring and your girlfriend will get a ring or your mom will get a ring or your dad will get it like it was unbelievable and i'm like where the hell has this guy been you know the only other way i've seen him face forward is toxic or at least that's the way i read it i i was i was looking at it i'm like this is unbelievable have you changed your thoughts a little bit listen man winning helps and and and he is he got it done and the knicks got it done and the front office got it done and the players have gotten it done and i'm gonna go here uh-oh i'm going in this direction because all of this stuff about how hey the knicks are likable and i like these guys and this is amazing and look what the city feels like and look what they've done for the city and look what they've done for themselves because james dolan did tell them if you win a championship it will change your life it will change your life it will change all of our lives he said it will change my life and and everybody's talking about this about how great it's for the city and great for this and great for that and i'm getting texts from people congratulating me and it's great it's awesome and it's brought people together there's a little bit of a subtext of this is a one-off little bit of a subtext that this is a one off.

7:21Rich Eisen:This championship? And I'm saying what if this is the start of a run for the ages? Not just this six week, ten week playoff run that what they did is one of the most impressive runs ever in many metrics. But what if Brunson and his performance is actually now going to make him a Jordan-esque closer that you can't stop at the end of the day? What if they raise the banner and the Knicks are a clear-cut, front-running team, and even if not, even if not, even if they are the two-seater, the three-seater, and they're going to have some regular season issues like they've had, where they're not a 60-win team, they're not blowing the doors off places, but they're good enough and they're going to get a home court advantage spot in the first round and then comes next April.

8:27Rich Eisen:And it's like, okay, good luck beating them again because they know how to close. They've got the rings. What if this is the beginning of a run in a back-to-back championship for the New York Knicks? Why can't that happen? Because there hasn't been a repeat champion in, what, nine years? Denver thought it. Milwaukee thought it. Boston thought it. Oklahoma City thought it. I understand. There's a lot of parody in the league right now. But why not? It's awesome. Just outside of that, talent-wise, coaching-wise, team-wise, chemistry-wise. Why not? I mean. I got it. I hear you. Are you on the Franco plan today?

9:08Rich Eisen:What does that mean? I call her Franco. In Texas saying that the Raiders are going 12-5 next year? No, I think this is far more realistic of a possibility than that. Drug testing at work? No, no, no, no. Why not? Yeah, sure. Why not? Hey, he's a Knick fan. I meant that in support. Why not? Why not indeed? Because they're young. They're good. There's no contractual re-signings that are going to bust this thing up in the immediate horizon, I don't believe. Now, but Brunson's got a contract coming up, what, next year? Yeah, but guess what's not going to be a problem, I think, at the end of the day.

9:47Rich Eisen:If he's already taken a buck 13 less. You think he's going to do that again? I don't know. Let me tell you what he's not going to do again. Well, how do you know that? How do we know that? How do we know that that's going to be required anyway? Well, maybe not. We don't. But you already got the deal, and it wasn't like a 10 million, 100 plus million. I'm just saying. His wife would slap him if he did that. It feels to me that the subtext of everything is like, nice run you had there, man. Hold on. Mitchell Robinson is a free agent. Great. Okay. Jose Alvarado is up after next year. Cat is in two years.

10:21Cat's owed a lot of money. He's owed$118 million over the next two seasons. Let's see how it goes. OG is signed through the next three years. Same thing with Jalen Brunson, but he is on the cheap, cheap now around$40 million over the next three years.

10:35Rich Eisen:I'm just saying, why not? a run why can't they be the front runners why can't they be that team you know and they're inspiring everyone else dan campbell's talking about it in detroit for crying out loud to finally get there uh with a pretty loyal fan base um you know it's pretty special uh to watch what they did you know and whether you like it or not you respect it you know you respect what it took to get through all that and to overcome and, you know, and to will it to happen, to make it happen, you know. So I think there's something to that. And look, that's what we're striving for. I mean, just doesn't, it does matter, but it doesn't.

11:20Rich Eisen:And man, it's about winning. And it's about winning a championship, whether you did it last year or you hadn't done it 50 years or 30 years, you just, that's why we're in this business, man, to be the best of the best. and that's what drives you. Well, obviously the Pistons winning or the Tigers winning or the Wings winning or the Lions winning. I think the Lions in particular though would be similar to what the Knicks have engendered for New York City. Detroit's not a two-sport team town. Right. Like New York is. But I'll tell you this. I know a lot of state fans up there in East Lansing that can't stand me and I can't stand them, that if the Lions won, they would come together just like the Yankee and Met fans are right now in New York.

12:12Rich Eisen:And that's why I'm thinking maybe a light bulb's gone over the head of Dan Campbell over this sort of thing. Why the hell not for the Knicks to go and be dynastic? Yeah, baby. I'm saying it now. I'm saying it before the parade. Yeah, good luck. But Al and Dallas, you hear what I'm saying, Al? Are you picking up what I'm putting down, Al, on this front? Yeah, I think it's great. I mean, this is unbelievable. I mean, I'll take a big hit of what Franco took, too, if it takes this happening. Absolutely. But I'm not saying Franco's saying the Raiders are going 12-5 after. No, I'm just joking. No, I know.

12:53Rich Eisen:I think that's what I'm talking about. It's a far more realm of a possibility. Brunson, you heard what I had to say yesterday, right? Brunson doing to the Spurs is, you know, on par of Jordan, on the par of Michael Jordan, 45 points in a closeout game on a road of an NBA Finals. You know, like, why can't he be that guy again and again and again? And now suddenly he has ascended even greater to the heights that he's currently at. Why not? We'll put it past him. I'm not. I mean, he has just shooshued the doubters forever. This has been an amazing, amazing run. You know, I don't know what it's like.

13:41You know, I have the experience of all four of my teams winning championships while I'm around. It's been fortunate. This is like Giant-type-esque stuff. You know, not 86 Giants, not 86 Mets, not teams that were expected to win. You talk to us in January, you know, we've been here kibitzing for years, right? We never, you never would have thought that this was possible in January. And then when the Celtics got hot, you know, we still even doubted it going into the playoff side. I'd probably lose to Detroit, the public Celtics. This is the greatest playoff run since, you know, my Giants. And I think it's even better, you know, to be honest with you.

14:19I agree. Because the sheer dominance. I mean, it's unbelievable. But it and it all starts, Rich, with if you go back and just look at, you know, I hate to be New York centric, but I'm going to be. You look at that when when the ownership finally makes changes to management that gets it and knows what it's doing. Yes. I mean, I think we all kind of dismiss Leon Rose and World Wide West unless you're really kind of new, you know, and the basketball connections that they have. I mean, you see what the Giants did with George Young. You see what the Yankees did with, you know, Watson, Michael and Cashman.

14:51the Mets with Frank Cashman, for God's sakes, and David Shekens. I mean, it all starts there. He tried. Phil Jackson, he tried. Didn't work. But this has been an unbelievable month, right? Guys like you and I are brought back into the fray. People like you're a Knick fan, I'm like, I bleed blue and orange, and so do you. but we just got, you know, like any other fan, we just got disenchanted with a poor product.

15:26Rich Eisen:Yeah, and I bleed blue and orange for basketball. That's, as you know, Al. The other one, not so much, which is why I just give you an example here for the Knicks. That's a Met fan on the phone. I'm a Yankee fan. We're rooting for the same team here. And then after that, I got to turn my back on you. You know what I mean? The only team we root for, I guess, right? I mean, you know, to be honest, I mean, Rangers, but you're not really a big hockey guy, you know, but like, I guess, you know, you're not an Islander fan. Al, I appreciate the call. I got another problem. I got one more problem, Rich.

15:52Okay. The discount code DELTUFO is not working. I don't know.

15:58Rich Eisen:I got to work on that. I got to work on that. I don't know. We'll send you off to his bots to handle it. Thank you. I also got to push back. This is not as good as the 07 Giants. I mean, the Knicks had the fourth best title odds entering this season. The Giants were 15th heading into that year, and they were the sixth seed in the playoffs. I hear you. I hear you. And you're in a one-and-done situation. No, I hear you. But I don't know, man. The Knicks. And they beat a team in the finals that was going to be the best NFL team ever. I will accept your pushback. They didn't beat a bunch of rookies.

16:41Rich Eisen:Well, I mean, we were overreacting. I know what I'm just saying. It's the overreaction Monday on a Tuesday. Go ahead and hit it. Hit it, please. That was terrible. That was crap. That was garbage. It just, like, sucks. Overreaction. Mondays. Monday. On a Tuesday. What do you got over there, Chris? Hey, guys, everybody. Happy Tuesday. Good to see you. Hey. I'm coming out hot, Rich. You're riding high. All of New York is riding high. I know. I usually ride high in April and get shot down in May, and now I'm riding high in June. You're back up again in June. It's a whole new lyric for That's Life, you know?

17:16Rich Eisen:But here's the thing, guys. The Knicks didn't win the NBA championship. The Spurs lost it. Come on. What are we talking about? The Spurs were such a better team. They led for 72 % of the minutes played in this whole series. But basketball games last for 100 % of the time. Come on now, man. Don't be ridiculous. Don't be ridiculous. The Spurs lost it. The Knicks still had to make shots. They still had to put one. I'm not even going to dignify this with the conversation. And you're doing this just to, you know what my answer is going to be. And you're doing this just to rile me up to start. It's absurd.

17:54Rich Eisen:By the way, tonight would have been, I believe, the analytics game six between the Cavs and the Spurs. I don't know who would be up three games to two. But we dominated the whole, you know, we dominated most of the time. The other time we sucked and we lost. That's what happened. When is that Cavs analytics parade? Is that tomorrow or Friday? I don't know. I think it's virtual. It's a Zoom parade? Yeah, it's a Zoom. I think so. All right. I just had to get that out of the way. Okay, good. But here's the thing, and I think this is a good point. Hear me out on this one. Okay. The Spurs would have been better off losing Game 7 to the Thunder.

18:36Why? Why? Because here's the thing. If they would have just lost Game 7 to the Thunder, right, it would have been, oh, great plucky Spurs team. They're really fun to watch. They're a year away. They're going to get there. Wemby's not the villain. He's not hated by everyone across the world right now for his alleged cheap shots and see you never. Everyone would have still liked them heading into next season. They would have been a happy, plucky group. And, you know, you could have beat the Thunder. That would have been a really fun, entertaining series. But now everybody hates the Spurs. What are we doing?

19:07Rich Eisen:It would have been better off losing game seven to the Thunder. This is why you're so good at overreaction Monday and Monday on a Tuesday or Tuesday on a Wednesday, whatever the hell day is with the Y that we do this. It's because this is always. No, no, no, no. It's because a lot of the topic bars and topics that are put out there are based on what people are saying about a team. Okay. Unlikable Wemby, for instance. All this villain talk. No, I know. We loved Wemby two weeks ago. How many people know? Do we know? Did anybody? Hopefully everyone saw the video of Wemby and I believe Champagny went to a children's hospital in San Antonio.

19:44Rich Eisen:Guy is just young, immature at that moment in time. And like I said, in the same way that I love how games 45 and 63 and 72 matter to him in the regular season, him losing in game five of these finals where everything was going well enough for most of the games, I think is a lesson for him and how to be professional in moments where you're not playing your best and you get a result that you're upset with. And one of the things he also said that he learned is how mistakes get magnified in these situations. So I believe the five games in which they played against the Knicks will be highly valuable for them moving forward to make them a better team and better in crunch time and better here and better there.

20:36Rich Eisen:And it will better serve them than getting knocked out in game seven. Regardless of what people are saying about Lemby. Let him go hang with the monks and get over it. If that bothers him. I don't think it's weird. What else you got over there, Chris? You know, we talk a lot about Jalen Brunson, his path from Dallas to New York. And I'm looking at, analyze that. And you combine letting him go with Luke, the crazy ass Luca trade. It's the biggest roster blunder in NBA history, TJ. It's worse than Bowie over Jordan and Darko over Mello and the Dirk trade on draft night. Kobe to the Lakers. Sonics trading Pippen.

21:17It's worse than all of those combined.

21:20Rich Eisen:It's tough to argue. They had them both. They had both of them. Same draft. I know we're playing the result. Same team. We're playing the result. but you knew Luka being traded in the manner in which he was traded was absurd Brunson at the time yeah but now I know combined with what would you what would you have paid him a hundred million dollars to stay put in Dallas and be the backup until Kyrie was done or whatever is that what what it was backup no they got Kyrie after that's right I mean whoever he was backing up at the time he would eventually played his way you don't think I mean I know I'm trying to push back here obviously inartfully and inaccurately.

22:01Rich Eisen:So I can't push back. I don't think this is an overreaction, Chris. It's so bad. Sorry, Mavericks. It's so bad. What else you got over there? You know, there's a young guy in San Antonio and he had a rough finals. You know, Mitch Johnson had a rough NBA finals, but he's a young up-and-coming coach. However, TJ, old Mitch better worry he doesn't get Doug Collins. I think they like him and i think he's got the same way that they're hey you know who else was a young promising coach coaching a young superstar doug collins well what happened to that guy i got it he got more than one year though i don't know i this is this is i'm worried for me he got reinsdorfed and he got i'm worried for me he got croused you know what i mean i i don't think you should i think it's just as much of a learning curve for him what if steve kerr wants to go back home to san not Oneo.

22:51Okay.

22:53Rich Eisen:That's a different story, but you got a young coach. He's going to grow with these young players. Can I say this is an overreaction now, but put a pin in it. What else you got, Chris? I'm still fired. I'm, I'm world cup high. I'm still riding high from the U S win on Friday night. They're playing again this Friday. It's a Cape Verde overreaction Monday topic. No, not Cape Verde. It's us. We're winning the group and we're making the semifinals. Oh. Semi-finals for this team. Riding hot. So we are winning multiple knockouts. Multiple knockouts. Just like Greg Burt Halter said. Just like the coach predicted.

23:31Rich Eisen:Semi-finals. Final four. I'm with you. Let's go. I'm with you. Come on. I'm not going to be sitting here on tape saying this is an overreaction. No. This is absurd. And then it gets played back when they do it. No. I'm not doing that. This is happening. I'm not doing that. All right. Last one. I'm not being that guy. No. Why would you want to be that guy? Look at those uniforms. Yeah. Fantastic. Yeah. You don't want to end up on the video that comes out after when it's in black and white with the sad boys in the hood sax music. I don't want to do that. I don't want to be the one being the algae in the reflection pool.

24:05Rich Eisen:No. No, it's going to get fixed. Oh, okay. The World Cup. Here's the last one, guys. Yeah. The World Cup and all these NFL stadiums, it's proven that they should all have grass fields. What are we doing? It looks amazing. I don't know. I mean, but it's just for six weeks. Figure it out. I like it, too. They do look amazing. They look so good. They do look amazing. And you know that's what the players want. Give it to them. I don't think that's an overreaction either. Is that a Sarah Tiano one? I know she's all about that. No, she likes it. No, I came up with that. Oh, you did? This was all me this week.

24:42Rich Eisen:Okay. No outsourcing. You've got a professional writer to punch up your material in your house, buddy. Good stuff. That's overreaction Monday on a Tuesday right there. While the world watches the stars at the FIFA World Cup, Hyundai has its eyes on the next generation of talent, the future stars who are already turning heads at age 14 because next doesn't wait for an invitation and neither do we. Hyundai has always moved the future within reach. We did it when we made advanced safety standard on every vehicle and engineered EVs with ultra fast charging capability. And we're still doing it every day.

25:14Rich Eisen:The future isn't some far off concept, people. It's already here. Next starts now. Hyundai, an official partner of FIFA. Josh Pate is next. This is The Rich Eisen Show.