Hour 3: Overreaction Tuesday, plus Mark Schlereth Talks Giants, Chiefs, Jeanty & More

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1:39Rich Eisen:This is the type of game that was needed. Earlier on the show. Bill's running back, James Cook. Actor and host, Rob Lowe. Coming up, three-time Super Bowl champion, Mark Schlereth. And now it's Rich Eisen. Our number three of the Rich Eisen show is on the air. Rob Lowe just left our studios. What a delightful, as always, funny, engaging appearance with the host of The Floor on Fox. Season four debuts tomorrow night at 8 Eastern time. And we kick off our number three that also includes our overreaction Monday on a Tuesday segment, as well as your phone calls, as well as TJ, steal yourself. Okay.

2:21Rich Eisen:Jerry Jones' latest from his 105.3 The Fan in the Metroplex appearance. Get right. That's who he's talking about. Is he going to say something like we're still in playoff hunt or something? Because I don't think I can take it. No, I don't know. Just be on the edge of your seat. Just sit tight. I don't have the patience to jack with you today. There's lots of ways that Jerry Jones chat can go. I just want to get another drop. By the way, I am just a couple of bites into the James Cookies. It's delicious. Yes. My God. yeah hoskins wants way in the back will somebody get mike one in the back if you if you yeah i'll go take him on yeah john and john hoskins and john both are while i chat with our next guest back here on the rich eyes and show the host of the stinking truth podcast and fresh off of calling raiders commanders on fox is our friend mark schleurth good to see you mark how are you i am doing great i've never had a chance to meet rob low but my college buddy still call me big fat rob oh so uh yeah that was my nickname in college was big fat i had a okay i had back in the day you know i had this uh mullet and uh i was pretty fit and ripped and so they used to call me big fat rob low and so anyhow i've never had the chance to meet him always wanted to because uh you know of the moniker that was uh bestowed upon me but i never had that opportunity i would imagine being called any size of Rob Lowe is good.

3:44Rich Eisen:You know what I mean? Any hearkening to his looks, you'll take. Big fat, little, you know what I mean? Like all of it. It doesn't matter. You know what I mean? As long as it ends with Rob Lowe, then you're good. I never had an issue. Big Bob. They call me Big Bob Lucky, Big Fat Rob, whatever it was. I'm like, I'm in. That's awesome. Mark Schlereth here. All right, let's just jump right into it, Mark. your level of concern for Ashton Gentry, having seen what you saw, having talked to the staff, as I'm sure you did, leading up to the broadcast of Raiders and Commanders, what is your concern level for Ashton Gentry, even though it's just three games for him?

4:30My concern level for him as a player, you know, when I hear people say, oh, he doesn't have it or he's not the guy, that's foolishness.

4:37Rich Eisen:Okay. That kid is, I think I've heard you say it before in regards to Mo Jones-Drew, a bowling ball of butcher knives. He is going to be a really good player. I think one of the things you have to understand is for running backs. And I watched in my career, you know, playing with Terrell Davis as a rookie, go for$1 ,100. And then as a second-year player, go for$1 ,400. And then as a third-year player, go for$1 ,700. And then as a fourth-year player, go for$2 ,000. And part of that understanding is it's more than just knowing what you're supposed to do. It's knowing what the defense is doing. What is the strength of the defense?

5:18What is the weakness of the defense? And how do I adjust based on those things pre-snap? So let me give you a for instance. All of a sudden, you're playing what we call a 25 front, meaning the wheelbacker is off the ball. The mic is off the ball. But the Sam is lined up on the edge, outside eye of the tight end. Well, when you get that, if you're calling that, let's call it strong right, and that Sam linebacker is lined up on the line of scrimmage, outside out of the tight end, that guy's job is to set the edge. So as you press that, you want to get the backers running. But at the same time, you know, hey, man, there's probably almost 100 % certainty I'm going to cut back on this.

5:56and so you have to understand kind of based on that defensive front what my responsibility is and what the likelihood of me being able to take that ball outside or having to cut back and you've got to learn those things part of it's trial and error part of it's just having a better understanding a better feel for what's going on now the concern is the Raiders couldn't block their way out of a wet pepper sack and like like I've got a couple of guys on there Deron Payne for Washington's a really good player. And I think they've got a bunch of really good players, but they don't have anybody other than Deron Payne, who's an absolute war daddy on that line of scrimmage.

6:35And their offensive line was awful. It was purely awful in this. So the combination of not being able to block anybody and then Ashton learning exactly what he is supposed to do, that's a bad combination right off the start. And I thought the right side of their offensive line with their right tackle and their right guard was just subpar at best. I mean, that's probably an insult to subpar things, but they were subpar at best.

7:07Rich Eisen:Wow, that's saying a lot. So it's like you're not concerned about the kid's ability. He's just got some stuff to learn about playing running back in this league. And, you know, that kind of tracks with him coming off the field on third down and not being part of two-minute drills as well, Mark. or when talking to the coaches, did you pick up on that? Yeah, I think, you know, talking to both coaches with young running backs, it's not so much when they have the ball in their hands. They'll figure out what to do with the ball in their hands. It's how do you affect the game when the ball is not in your hands?

7:40How are you in blitz pickup? How are you with spatial awareness when you're running routes? Do you set guys up? When you find man versus zone, can you find a soft spot in the zone? Can you, you know, run away from guys that are playing you in man? It's learning how to play the game without the ball in your hands. And you think about it as a college player. When you're that gifted as a running back, you don't ever have to worry about not having the ball in your hands. You're always the primary. You're always involved in the pro game. It's a little bit different. You know, it's like that third receiver that you ask to run, you know, routes that we call them for the love of the game routes.

8:19your job is to run that route at full speed even though you're number three or four in the progression you're probably not touching the ball but you're running that full route speed or that's that route at full speed and you drawing coverage and you holding coverage so we can get something behind you those things are dramatic they're dramatic and they're so important and I think the average fan just doesn't understand the value you have in doing the dirty work so other people can succeed. It's one of the things I love about football, Rich, is that it is the ultimate team game. And if you've got selfish guys who are running half-assed routes because, oh, I'm not getting the ball and I'm going to pout, well, then everybody fails on the offensive side of the ball.

9:00Rich Eisen:Mark Slareth here from Fox Sports, just called Raiders Commanders. You have Patriots and Panthers this week right here on the Rich Eisen Show. The Stinkin' Truth is his podcast. What'd you make of the Lions win on Monday Night Football, Mark? Man, they are, you know, they are so talented, especially offensively. And that first week of the season, you know, we talked about the lack of continuity, new coordinators, all those different things. And, you know, it looked to be what happened week one. But since that point, man, they have been on point offensively. And, you know, just a tip of the cap to Jared Goff.

9:39And I've done so many Detroit games over the years and had such a relationship with not only Ben Johnson, but, you know, obviously Dan Campbell, their head coach and talk to Jared Goff many, many times. Jared Goff, when you talk to the powers that be in Detroit, they rave about his accuracy and just his toughness in the pocket. And there's a guy that can't run away from anybody, right, but can slide in the pocket, manipulate and how he throws the ball into traffic as good as any quarterback in football. And if we're breaking down top 10 quarterbacks in the league, I don't know that he makes the top five, but he's somewhere between six and eight, six and nine.

10:22He is that damn good at what he does. And they've surrounded him with great players. But his ability to operate that offense, be accurate with the football. Yesterday, it was the run game that really set them apart. And, you know, as much as we talk about Detroit, you look at what's going on with the Baltimore Ravens here, lost that game to the Bills where they gave up over 40 in week one. And then here again, close to 40, what, 38 points they gave up again just three weeks or week three. So, like, the Ravens were a team that I think we all thought, hey, man, this is Super Bowl contender. if you don't figure out what's going on on the defensive side of the ball and two really good opponents to be sure but you know the Baltimore Ravens right now you're kind of wondering what's

11:10Rich Eisen:going on there yeah 96 points they've allowed through three games that's the most in franchise history through the first three games of the season now it's the Chiefs they're visiting the Chiefs come off of that win against the Giants we'll talk about them and their decision that was announced moments ago, or at least reported moments ago, about Jackson Dart. But it's Chiefs-Ravens in week four, bud. And that's for the loser goes one and three. And I'm wondering which one would you be concerned about going one and three the most, Mark? That'd be the Chiefs. And, you know, offensively, we've seen what they've been able to do.

11:51They've been a juggernaut for the last, what, seven, eight years. I mean, they've been incredible. They're not incredible. And if you ask me to point one thing out offensively, they've done well. I can't give you one thing that they've done well. They haven't blocked anybody well. They don't run the ball well. I mean, going into last weekend, Patrick Mahomes was their leading rusher. So they don't really block anybody. Andy Reid has never really wanted to win by running the football. That's never been his thing. you saw the blow up on the sideline with Travis Kelsey and Andy Reid and Travis just does not look like he's got the same burst top of his route that hasn't gone well and you don't have a go-to you don't have a go-to guy you know you don't have one thing that you do and I always say this you know just throughout my own career of playing offense it's important to have one thing that you can hang your hat on people always say well how do you fix this team's running game or this, whatever.

12:48And I go, find one thing. It's like Curly from City Slickers. Remember Curly from City Slickers? He goes, the key to life is one thing. And then he drops dead, right? Well, for me, football, the key to life is one thing. Find me one thing that we do well. And then we can change it up with formations and motions and shifts. But we just run that one thing, make it look like six things to the defense. But give me that one thing. Let me build my identity in that and then all of a sudden i say hey man let's run some play action off that let's learn play pass off that run action play action whatever but all of a sudden i can start building on something that i can hang my hat on you know a tenant that i can hang my hat on and right now i look at the can't see chiefs i go there is not one thing i can point to that i say hey man they're really good at this well two things first of all of course i remember curly from city slickers the

13:42Rich Eisen:actor Jack Palance he won the Oscar for that role and by the way spoiler alert give somebody a heads up if you're going to talk about somebody saying a line in the drop of dead Mark I mean let's you know I understand we're talking football here but still I mean you gotta you gotta you gotta have your head on a swivel here if you're listening to Mark Schlitter my gosh right um so okay so you're concerned about the Chiefs more than the Ravens I would get that too especially because the Chargers are sitting there three you know having beaten every single team in the division um and now here comes the Chargers going east I'm surprised the Giants say let's hit the Jackson Dart button now I know Owen three doesn't look good didn't look good in weeks one and three you could chalk up week two looking the way it looked for us because the Dallas defense is less than but I mean to say to the kid all right go get him and that Chargers defense is on the other side that's a tall order Mark I'm wondering what your thought is on the Giants decision here to start Jackson Dart in week four?

14:38Well, I said it probably on the Stink True podcast. I said it probably 10, 12 weeks ago. I'd have benched and cut Russ and started Jackson Dart right off the bat. And one, I don't think the Giants are a really good football team. And like, I'm looking at the future and the future is not Russell Wilson. The future is Jackson Dart. So I don't blame them. And I look back to Sunday night football and you get first and goal from the four yard line. and in several consecutive plays, you throw an incomplete ball that you threw so far out of bounds, I think you got an intentional grounding call on that to make it second and goal from the 14.

15:18You close your eyes and you bury your head in the middle line of scrimmage on a designed QB run and you get four yards and then you throw two more balls eight yards out of bounds. And I'm sitting there going, at some point, you got to quit worrying about your legacy and, hey, I've already thrown two interceptions, I'm going to throw another one. At some point, you've got to put it on a receiver, you've got to throw it into traffic, and you've got to give yourself a chance to score. At that point, it was 22-9. I mean, that in and of itself, to me, was a benchable offense of your quarterback. That's a quarterback that's, what are you doing throwing the ball out of bounds in those three situations?

15:54On fourth down and goal, fourth down and goal, you threw it out of bounds eight yards deep, eight yards over the head of anybody else on fourth and goal. You tell me what you're doing. Other than saying, hey, man, I don't want to have, you know, a legacy breaker by throwing one more pick. I mean, for crying out loud, I've already thrown two. Like, what are we doing? What are we doing? So that, to me, is the ultimate selfishness. That's selfishness.

16:22Rich Eisen:Mark, I understand what you're saying, but this is still the future, and you've got to give the kid a chance. And he might come out and look great, and this could be a cold take, right? But you've seen the Chargers defense. There's some grown-ass men. And they were the top-scoring defense in the NFL last year. They looked just as good this year. And, I mean, to basically say go get them, I understand it's a benchable offense from Russ. You got the Saints the next week. I don't know. I guess this way you get two starts on your belt, one on the road, one at home. before you take on the Eagles twice in three weeks.

17:03Rich Eisen:And then the Broncos are in the middle of that. And you know how good that defense is as well, Mark. Yeah, there was no easy situation. And that's one of the reasons I said I'd start it from day one, because their schedule is brutal. It's absolutely brutal. And so everybody, you know, had talked about that New Orleans game, maybe being that as the headliner. But, you know, maybe you go get a feel for this against the Chargers, and then you've got an opportunity to win at New Orleans. But it's not going to be easy. And then you mentioned it. You got San Francisco. You got Philly twice. You got the Packers, who up until last weekend were the best team in football, in my opinion.

17:45And then, you know, Chicago. And hey, Matt Eberfuss, by the way, finally figured out how to get the best of Caleb Williams, didn't he? Congratulations. He finally figured out. You know, it took him all last year. He never quite got it. But, hey, listen, man, now he finally got it. Congratulations to Matt Eberflus and Caleb Williams for figuring it out together, man. What an unbelievable opportunity and what an unbelievable showing from the quarterback.

18:16Rich Eisen:Now, Mark, I called a game last year in which Caleb Williams threw four touchdown passes against the Jaguars for Matt Eberflus. Okay. But I know what you're saying. It's the second time. It's the second time Matt has had him play well. That hurts. That hurts. All right. But so, I mean, that is the one thing, you know, and then I'll get close to letting you go here, Mark Schlereth. The Cowboys back end of the defense without Micah on the front end of the defense is a bad recipe right now. And with CeeDee Lamb being out, I am genuinely concerned for the Cowboys. Tell me if I'm right or wrong here, Mark.

18:52Yeah, no, you've got every right to be. And ultimately, I mean, the Cowboys defense has given up explosive plays on the defensive side of the ball like it's their job. I mean, it's one after the other. It's a 20-yard gain. It's a 40-yard gain. It reminded me, watching that tape, it reminded me of, you know, one of those Christmas shows that Oprah Winfrey, like you get 40, you get 20, you get a 20-yard gain, you get a 20-yard gain, you get a 40-yard gain, you get a touchdown, you get a touchdown. it's just been mind-boggling the amount of breakdowns they've had, the amount of missed assignments they have, and then ultimately you look at a guy like Diggs who just isn't right.

19:33You can tell that he's not 100 % coming off the ACL. He's been getting I mean, they just run by him like I mean, it's just unbelievable to watch that stuff. So their defense is struggling. They're giving up all kinds of big plays, and I'm with you, man. I'm really concerned about the Dallas Cowboys because I thought But with Dak back, if they had that defense squared away, a little bit better running game, they'd be okay. But Dak's not going to be able to overcome, you know, 8, 10, 12 big plays a game, explosive plays a game.

20:04Rich Eisen:All right, before I let you go, Eagles, Bills, Chargers, Colts, Bucks, Niners. I believe I'm getting all the 3-0 teams right here. There's some 2-1 teams like the Rams who almost made sure the Eagles weren't on that undefeated list. And you've got, again, the Lions we saw last night, 2-1. There's another handful of two-on-one teams that I'm not talking about right here, I'm sure. Which is the best team in the NFL through three weeks now, do you think, Mark? Yeah, I would probably pick the Bills for what they've done. The Eagles right there, the Eagles were so impressive because they really didn't look very good for three quarters.

20:40And then it was like, we know how to win. We know what we're doing. Let's flip the switch and let's go quit messing around. and that's an impressive victory over the Rams, but I'd probably give it to the Bills number one, probably Eagles number two.

20:55Rich Eisen:Okay. What do you think of when you see Jordan Davis at 336 pounds do what he did as a big man, Mark? I think, thank goodness I don't play this game anymore. Come on now. Look at a big man with football. Fourth heaviest man in the history of the National Football League to have a thick six of 50 or more yards, period. Can you imagine being that big and fast and strong? I can't. He scooped it, too. You can't imagine that, but I can because I was that big, fast, and strong. I actually covered kickoffs as a rookie for the Washington Redskins. R1, running down, busting wedges at 285. I was only 285.

21:37I was a skinny guy back then.

21:39Rich Eisen:Nice. The man, the myth, the legend, Stinking Truth Podcast with Mark Schlerer. Thank you. Or big, fat Rob Lowe. I believe Smitch is Look at that Look at that guy Hello sexy That's you Who calls you big fat When you're looking like that This isn't from Idaho That was in high school I was I think 17 You were in high school Yeah at about 220 Damn that doesn't even seem fair The other 17 year old It wasn't fair that's not fair it wasn't it's not fair no all right big fat rob low um i will have to push back on that okay all right mark great to chat with you man you too take care there he goes check him out um on uh fox for patriots and panthers panthers coming in with some momentum off of that one i feel bad that mark has to watch that game and the stinking truth podcast all right espn radio is presented by progressive insurance they offer auto home and commercial auto insurance visit progressive.com when we come back guess what overreaction monday on a tuesday and jerry jones talks cowboys with his local radio show audience oh boy oh and it's micaw week as well

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25:18Rich Eisen:Back here on the Rich Eisen Show. ESPN Radio presented by Progressive Insurance. We're back on the air. Here we go. Ready? Ready, TJ Jefferson? You ready? I'm not. We're going to play it anyway. It's Tuesday. It's a Tuesday. And it's Jerry Jones appearing. And it's Packers Week. and Micah Parsons is coming to town. We'll get the candlestick. Jerry, on 105.3 The Fan, any competitive drive, Jerry, to beat the Packers with Micah Parsons coming to your house this week? Your answer, please. Jerry, do you feel any extra competitive drive to win this week with Micah Parsons coming back? Yes. Yes, I do.

25:58I have said this time and time again. I thank the world to Micah. And as an individual, and of course, knowing well, and I might say I wish him well, except it's obvious I don't this weekend in terms of Green Bay winning the ball game. And so it makes for an exciting time, and I'm anxious to see if over the years when I saw Michael mitigated, when I saw teams playing pretty well, which he's going to make some plays no matter how you play. but when I saw people play us well with Micah in the game and it did happen, then obviously we'll be looking to try to run those kinds of plays. Micah.