Hour 3: Overreaction Tuesday plus QB Guru Jordan Palmer Talks Broncos, Bills & Darnold

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1:19Rich Eisen:Our YouTube channel. Subscribe at youtube.com slash Rich Eisen Show and you'll never miss a moment. Now, on with the show. Here's the snap, Beck looks, throws it down the field This is the Rich Eisen Show And it is intercepted by Indiana The Rich Eisen Show Touchdown, Fernando Mendoza I love you guys, let's f***ing go Earlier on the show Greenlight Podcast host, Chris Long ESPN Play-By-Play broadcaster, Chris Fowler Coming up Quarterback consultant, Jordan Palmer And now, it's Rich Eisen. Hour number three of the Rich Eisen Show is on the air. 844-204-RICH is the number to dial. Overreaction Monday on a Tuesday coming up.

2:07Rich Eisen:Phone lines are lit. Jordan Palmer is going to join us shortly here on the program as well to tell us his two cents about the quarterbacks getting ready to show up and show out at the combine and the draft, as well as Fernando Mendoza last night. We were talking a lot about Indiana football in their national championship game. uh with chris fowler last hour we also had chris long in the first hour if you've missed any of that don't worry there's our uh youtube channel there's our podcast all three hours there's also the disney plus page that we have there all three hours this show can be watched back whenever you wish 844-204-RICH is the number to dial right here in the program let's head to the phone lines um and uh keep rolling on is this mardi gras in new orleans is that how we're supposed to uh Mardi Gras Bob.

2:53Rich Eisen:What's up, Mardi Gras Bob? Mardi Gras Bob in New Orleans. What's up, Mardi Gras Bob? Oh, yeah, gentlemen. Pleasure to visit with you. Yeah, Mardi Gras Bob. It's actually carnival season. Carnival is a season. Mardi Gras is a day. Okay. We know. Excellent. Excellent. Just for definitions. Okay. What's on your mind, sir? I think the Indiana Hoosiers have saved single-handedly a lot of people's opinions on the current state of college football, where it just seems to be a bunch of itinerant mercenaries that travel from one team to the next for whoever's going to give them the most money. What we got this year, now first let me frame this by saying I'm in New Orleans, but I did not go to an SEC school or Tulane right down the street.

3:46Rich Eisen:I went to Arizona because I like basketball. it's not the only reason I went, but it didn't hurt. What we saw last night, I think we saw the best team, not necessarily the best team money could buy, Mark Cuban's billions aside. I think it restored faith in a lot of fans that are outside of the SEC or not rabid college football fans that, you know, this is a sport worth watching because there are good stories to it. not necessarily just who's got the biggest payroll. Exactly. And, you know, again, Mardi Gras, Bob, I'm not going to sit here and talk about somebody else's payroll. Michigan's got Larry Ellison bankrolling a lot of what Michigan's doing.

4:32Rich Eisen:I'm sure we could sit here and we with Phil Knight's bankrolling what Oregon's doing. Everybody's got, you know, it just it just used to be Buddy Garrity at some local Chevrolet that was putting it in paper bag. You know what I mean? Like, that's the way it was when we were growing up, to be honest with you. True. And so it's just different now, and you've just got to know what to do with it. I just want to see rules. I just want to see rules. You know what I mean? That's all. These are not elite players on Indiana's team. Good players, committed players, but these are not elite five-star guys.

5:08Rich Eisen:I don't think they have any five-star recruits on the team, and yet by becoming a team they did it over much more well-funded teams i don't know cuban gives them a lot of money but he's not putting in as much money as as uh oregon gets i don't know i mean you and i don't know you and i don't know mardi gras bob but and thanks for the call it's just again we just need to know uh what happens elsewhere or wherever where where the money is given to a player and then the job is gone and then the money's gone or somebody decides to go in the portal because the money's supposed to be there and then they show up and the money's not there or they're supposed to go in the portal and um because an agent says the money will be there and then they go in the portal the money's not there and they can't go back to their other spot i mean we had josh paid on this program last week he said there were 10 000 kids in the portal with two days to go with almost 4 000 kids in the fbs alone and i'm like what happens to the kids who don't land somewhere.

6:10Rich Eisen:Can they go back? And he goes, if their coach will have them back, Mottor will be gone. What happens then? What are the rules for that sort of thing? Let's go to Georgian in Florida. What's up? Is it Georgia or Georgian? Georgian. Oh, Georgian. How are you, Georgian? Good. How are you guys doing? Okay. What's going on? Well, it's a first-time caller for me, So I just want to say thank you for the years of entertainment and everything along the way. So I'm just so glad to hear you back on the radio, at least on ESPN radio. With the news of a few coaching hires in the NFL that might have been skipped over because of the playoffs and the game last night is Halfley leaving Green Bay to Miami.

6:59Rich Eisen:Who do you guys think would be a good fit for defensive coordinator in Green Bay?

7:07Rich Eisen:Interesting question. Jonathan Gannon. I mean, there's a bunch of guys. We'll see who lands with a head coach. We're assuming Sean McDermott lands as a head coach somewhere. What if he doesn't? Yeah, and there's been a lot of talk that Raheem Morris might be a top pick and maybe Al Harris since he was a previous Packer. It could be. So I just wasn't sure who would be a good fit for Micah and X. Sure. The bottom line, though, is that don't you think they're going to get it right? Because the Packers frequently do. You know what I mean? Like there's certain teams that just get it right a lot. They've got to, considering all the money on the defensive side.

7:49Rich Eisen:And all the free agents coming. I hear you. But there's going to be, at some point, all the pieces land, and there should be some really good defensive-minded head coaches who don't get another head coaching job somewhere else. That might be a perfect spot for Green Bay. The only thing, though, is that you bring them in, and you know that you're going to be looking for a new defensive coordinator in a year. That's true. Thanks for the call, Georgianna. I appreciate it. They're in Florida. you know like that's why chris long was talking earlier about a cheat code by a cheat code he means having a coordinator that you know you're not going to lose to a head coaching job somewhere else because either a they've aged out of the role or b they've had too many opportunities and aren't going to get another one because of how poorly it's gone and their opportunities to be a head coach before exhibit a josh mcdan that's what he mentioned He also mentioned how Dennis Allen with the Raiders and the Saints will somebody else knock on his door again.

8:51Rich Eisen:And so Ben Johnson has got that handled. Andy Reid has had that handled for Steve Spagnuolo. Nobody's been knocking on the door to raid Andy Reid of his defensive coordinator and 100 % Super Bowl worthy sidekick. Nobody's done that. and so you know you you figure all those pieces out with the green bay packers at the end of the day you know you need to listen if you're going to hire a ceo head coach meaning two coordinators that go along and he's not calling it plays on either side of the of the football you know what happens when you have to then go back into the market and find somebody new because they keep moving on.

9:41Rich Eisen:Case in point, what's happening with the Philadelphia Eagles offensive coordinator? And then you wind up with a quarterback who constantly gets a new voice in his head. You know, that's what ends up happening. We'll take one more phone call. We'll take a break. And then, pardon me, Jordan Palmer is going to join us here on the program. Let's go to William in Topeka, Kansas. What's up, William? Hey, thanks for taking my call. I just wanted to bring up, well, since a lot of things have been happening in the football world, I think one thing that's gotten overshadowed a lot is the fact that the Chiefs are going to bring Eric Biennium back.

10:27and the fact of the matter is the moment he left the Chiefs offense went from number one

10:35Rich Eisen:during the year we defeated the Eagles to middle of the pack like 15th or 16th and it isn't necessarily about his play calling ability because that's not what the OC in Kansas City does I think It has everything to do with his manner of discipline and how he holds players accountable. And Travis Kelsey was talking about it last night in Miami. And I think, assuming Mahomes can come back at full strength before late September, the Chiefs are going to go right back to the Super Bowl because of Eric Biennium. Well, we need to see what they also do with their roster, William. And thank you for the call.

11:14Rich Eisen:I think Eric Biennium coming back, we will find out if he was, in fact, some of the missing special sauce. They did still win 15 games last year, make it to the Super Bowl. But we do need to see what they're going to do with their roster. Does Kelsey come back to? When does Mahomes come back? What do they do with the line? You know, there's still a lot of questions about the Kansas City Chiefs. All right, we're going to take a break. We'll come back. We'll get Jordan Palmer on the horn and then overreaction Monday on a Tuesday. That's still to come here.

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14:04Rich Eisen:Here on the Rich Eisen Show on ESPN, the app, as well as ESPN, the radio, and Disney+. We're all streaming and listening together. Good to have Jordan Palmer, our quarterback guru, quarterback coaching consultant back here on the program. Good to see you, Jordan. How are you? I'm doing great. Sorry for being tardy. I appreciate you guys just being absolute pros. You're the man. And then, Rich, always finding a way to connect it back to how you're the centerpiece of NFL history, major moves. Yeah, you have an amazing way of tying it all back to... I'm going to show it to you on my mug. I never disagree either, though.

14:39Rich Eisen:I never disagree. There's an I in my first and last name, Jordan. There you go. There you go. There's no me in it, I don't think. Nope. Nope. That's what you've got. That's what you've got. All right, Jordan. I give you the floor on Jared Stidham, what you know and what you think. Yeah. Boy, I hate the way that he's getting his first start. You know, I've known Bo Nix since he was a little guy, since he was a sophomore in high school. and I'm such a fan of what Bo's done. But, you know, for the audience, I texted Rich and go, hey, I got some thoughts on this. Because I think Stidham, not right now, but for the last two or three years, is one of the best kept secrets, most unknown, high-quality player, insert other line that makes sense and is congruent with those statements.

15:30But I don't think anybody knows until this weekend how good Jarrett Stidham is. and not because I've known him since he was little and spent a lot of time with them. But I think there's some data here. You know, you go back to those two starts that he had in, well, let me go back earlier than that. So he was drafted in the fourth round in New England to back up Brady. And that offense at that time, it was not just Tom Brady being a great player. That was like year nine, I believe. It was year nine or 11 of Josh McDaniels and Tom Brady running that offense together. and Brady at that time was in year whatever, 16, 17, something like that.

16:09So when you have a fourth-round pick rookie come in and win the number two job, it is not because you throw it good. It's because you learned the offense. It's because we can actually put you in a game, and you can run our offense. Well, let's go back before that. What colleges did Jarrett Stidham play at? I'll save you the airtime here, and so I'll let you guys guess. Auburn. Yeah, he went to Auburn, but he started at Baylor. So if you think about the offenses that he learned before he got to the NFL, he ran, I draw a blank on his name, the guy that got in, Art Bryles. He ran that system, which was a high, Art Bryles came from high school.

16:45So that was a high school offense, no progressions, no responsibility to the line of scrimmage, no protection accountability. Then he played for Gus Malzahn, who outside of Cam Newton, I haven't seen that offense explode. so he entered into the league and i did jared's draft prep and i would say as far behind anybody as i've ever had in terms of understanding offense okay he went from that to making the new england patriots comfortable with him being the two with tom brady in his ninth year of i mean that is like that's like walking into calculus but you're only in fifth grade and then learning calculus okay so that's how he entered the league yes um he played a little bit didn't play well in New England, but what happened when Josh McDaniels got the head coaching job with Raiders?

17:30The first transaction was trading for Jarrett Stidham. Okay. Not really known about. Then when he goes to Denver and he's there and then you got Russell kind of sliding and then you got Sean Payton coming in. I mean, they paid him 15 million bucks to go there. I don't know, but I think he's like one of the highest paid backups in the league. And then last year, I can't say who, but there was a team that offered a pretty good ransom for him to trade and they wouldn't trade him. So they know what they got there. And I think the guys on the team know what they got there. And outside of making predictions in the game, I think if Drake may and Jarrett Stidham both play at their best, I don't think it's much different.

18:08And I don't really see Jarrett having a floor because the two starts that he did have in the Raiders, we can say are irrelevant, but he shredded the Patriot. He shredded the chiefs and then he shredded the Niners. And those are the two teams that played in the Superbowl that year. So I actually, I hate the way this has happened, but optimistic is an understatement when I think about how well Jarrett Sidney might play this

18:28Rich Eisen:weekend yeah because Drake May is an MVP maybe you know what I mean like what you just said yeah I mean that's a high highs and the low lows how many tournaments they have in the last two weeks and I am a huge Drake May fan right huge Drake May fan so I'm just saying the high high if they're both you know if you take the ceiling and the floor I think their ceilings are sort of commiserate and Jarrett can run too um I just don't see Jarrett in this point in his career or the floor being that low in this big of a game. What do you think Sean Payton's doing with him right now and for this week? I think they're running their offense, getting timing with certain guys that you don't get during the season.

19:04Then flip it over. If I had to pick one guy to come up with a game plan and call a game this weekend, and I was getting my first start in three years, I'd pick Sean Payton or maybe one other guy.

19:16Rich Eisen:Well, McVay did it with Baker in just 48 hours, right? Shanahan, the same people you guys would pick. I'm just saying he's on a short list of people that you would go, all right, if I'm getting thrown into that situation, I want this person coming up with the game plan and this person calling it. Do we need to have you pulled over and sobriety tested right now, Jordan? Because that's what some people are thinking. I'm only giving voice because you're really, I mean, you are really painting a rosy picture of something that normally would not be. I mean, I've got all sorts of stats here about somebody with his lack of experience, not just career-wise, but just in recent memory, getting a start like this, not performing well.

19:56Rich Eisen:Against, by the way, a Patriots team that made C.J. Stroud look very, very, what's the word for it, bad. It's the only other way to put it. Yeah, you know, I think I just, I'm in this so deep. I just don't look at stats and history as much. There's a ton of stuff I don't know anything about. There's a bunch of players I don't know anything about. When I got guys that I do know a lot about, and you start to go, okay, how could I predict success this weekend for Jarrett, which is what I'm doing in the comment section is going to be awesome. But I'm going to go back and read it on Monday. I'm not going to go in your comment section now.

20:30I'm going to go back on Monday. And I go, okay, what would lead me to believe and have that confidence? And I even go back to college and I think about like, well, he's a fourth-round pick and he was at Auburn. They didn't win a national championship. If you go back and look up his best games at Auburn, it was like winning the Iron Bowl and beating Georgia. and they were both the number one team in the country when he beat them. And so his history of doing this and going back and being around these types of situations, this is a massive situation. This is a Disney movie if this guy goes 2-0. But he's got the makings.

21:03He's got to go out there and play well. I just don't have concerns with him handling the moment, running the offense, throwing the ball accurately, or getting himself out of bad situations. And honestly, you've got to go 4-4-4 if you're going to play well this weekend in those categories. Okay.

21:16Rich Eisen:What do you think about Darnold and Stafford in that game, Jordan? Man, this is, I think it's the two best teams playing. Sometimes it plays out that way. But this is a, there's the chess game between McVay and McDonald. You know, when you got Shanahan and McVay in that division, you got to have somebody who can, you can't hire a coach who's just going to try and outscore him and hope that you get the next Shanahan or McVay. So John Schneider did an unbelievable job with the hire of McDonald, somebody who is not going to back down to scheming against those guys and not going to try and slow down those offenses, but going to try and attack those offenses, and then to get the personnel that they've gotten the last few years on defense.

22:02The last defense in the league I would want to play against right now is the Seattle Seahawks in Seattle. And both quarterbacks have showed that when they're at their best, they're MVP candidates, and they both have had games where they've turned it over. They both have four interception games this season. Sam's was against L.A., but I think we're going to see the two best teams in the league play their best, and I think this comes down to some similar situation that we saw the last time they played. I don't know if it's the two-point conversion walk-off game winner, but I think this is going to be an absolute duel to the end, and I like the Seahawks here.

22:38I mean, I drink the Kool-Aid. Sam's a client of mine, but I still like the Seahawks, and I think even without Charbonnet this week, That's going to be tough, but they've had a two-headed monster running back by committee all year. So it's just going to be on Kenneth Walker to step up. And then for them to scheme in more high percentage throws so that they would replace essentially another five to six carries. and I trust Kubiak to design that and have some quick passing game kind of replace, call it 5-10 % of what the running game would have been in this game but they've got to be high completion percentage throws with opportunities to get yards after the catch so I think this is going to be one of the most fascinating games to watch I've seen in a while because both defensive coordinators, both offensive coordinators are A-plus in every category and they both have teams that are really disciplined do the right thing, play selflessly it's not the superstar playmakers that are on the field this weekend.

23:40It's just the execution that we're going to see by, I think, the two best teams.

23:43Rich Eisen:A couple minutes left with you, Jordan Palmer, so you can get at least the feeling back in your hands. You've been holding your iPad this entire time out there in the practice field. I appreciate that. He would never say it. So if you don't mind speaking on his behalf, which I'm sure you don't really want to do, but I'm going to ask you to do it. What would it mean to Sam Darnold if he's the first quarterback of his draft class to play in the Super Bowl? What do you think? I think nothing. Really? I think nothing. Come on. Going to a Super Bowl would mean the world. Winning a Super Bowl would mean the world.