Hour 3: Paul Finebaum Talks Arch, Rips Belichick + Kelce Takes Blame & Lions’ Mindset

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1:40Rich Eisen:Earlier on the show. Pro Football Hall of Famer, Kurt Warner. Comedian, Frank Caliendo. Coming up. Host of the Paul Feinbaum Show, Paul Feinbaum. And now, it's Rich Eisen.

1:58Rich Eisen:Our number three of the Rich Eisen Show is on the air. 844-204-RICH is the number to dial. Frank Caliendo just tore this place apart last hour. If you missed it, don't worry. You can go to our Disney Plus page. As soon as this show is over, click on the, I guess, the tile that is representative of today's show. And boom, you can watch it whenever you want. That was a very Caliendo. 17-0, man. That's our new drop. Very good. Appreciate that. Kurt Warner came in and said, I know more about football than you do. He really did. No, he didn't. No, no, I shouldn't say that. But he does. He does. I mean, for him to sit here and go, hey, I watched the Justin Fields, Aaron Rodgers tape, and neither really blew me away.

2:49Rich Eisen:And then he's like, Caleb had tougher things to do than J.J. McCarthy based on the tape. I mean, he sees stuff you don't, we don't, to be honest with you. Kurt's YouTube channel is just unbelievable. QB Confidential. Anyway, he came on an hour one. He's going to be on every single Wednesday. And if you missed it, there's our podcast version of the show, all three hours, where we can get your podcast through our friends with ESPN, distributing our podcast now along with this show every single day. Stream it live on Disney +, ESPN app everywhere. And, of course, listen to us on either SiriusXM or terrestrially, the ESPN Radio family of networks, presented by Progressive Insurance.

3:26Rich Eisen:ESPN Radio always is. 844-204-RICH, number to dial. Let's take Daryl in Virginia's phone call. What's up, Daryl? Hey, Rich. Good to talk to you. I've been trying to get through this for three days. That's awesome to be able to talk to you. I apologize if it's taken this long. No, no, don't apologize. You're popular. And first off, I want to say I'm a big fan. And, you know, I grew up, I was a teenager in the late 90s and early 2000s. so used to with Scott. And, of course, I love Chris Berman and Tom Jackson. Oh, yeah. You know, you all really helped me form my sports opinions and kind of shaped the sports fan I am today.

4:03Oh, good.

4:04Rich Eisen:Who's that in the background, Daryl? Is that a child? That's my three-year-old. We're making pizza right now. Yeah, buddy. It's not the edible kind of toys. Fantastic, Daryl. Look at you juggling, pizza making, being a dad, calling into the show. So let's – One of the biggest struggles and struggles of what I deal with is being a Raiders fan. Okay, look at you transitioning. Okay, what do you got? Yeah, so anyway, my question – Oh, my God. Do you think – Okay, yes. No, you dropped out, which we thought was terrible that you waited three days to ask me this question. Go for it. Go for it. Oh, that's okay.

4:43Do you see Jacoby Myers as the number one receiver in Vegas? And, you know, I think he personally is. But, you know, they went and got Amari Cooper back, and, of course, that didn't work out. And, you know, my younger brother keeps telling me he's not. And I'm like, man, I've been, you know, I really think he is. I've seen all the ups and downs throughout the years. And, you know, I see something in him that a lot of other people lack, Even Devontae Adams, after the first year, he has passion. And after he gave that, you know, after he talked to the press after the first game, you could really tell, like, you know, he cares about his teammates.

5:22Why would you not want to give this guy an extension? But, you know, there's a lot of people out there who doesn't think he's number one and that the Raiders should go try to get Tyreek Hill.

5:29Rich Eisen:Oh, by the way, how about this? I think Jacoby Myers is excellent and they should get Tyreek Hill. How about that? I mean, how about that? I mean, both can be true. And thanks for the call, Darrell. I'm never going to sit here and say Jacoby Myers is in the one. He can't be a one. How do I know? You know, deep down, I mean, listen, Jacoby Myers had what? Mac Jones is his guy. And then Mac regressed. Yep. Okay. And then he goes to Vegas. And last year was just a revolving door. And now here he is with Gino. Let's see what he can do with Gino. So far, game one. Check that box, man. But if Tyreek Hill's available and you want to send a jolt through your locker room and go, okay, we got Gente, we've got Myers, we've got Mayer, we've got Bowers, we've got Geno, we've got Tyreek.

6:27Max on the other side.

6:28Rich Eisen:Pete. Now you're sending a jolt through that locker room saying, we believe it's time. Am I reading this right? I mean, again. That's pretty fun. you're also hearing that the Chiefs would be interested in Tyree Kill again because now in terms of the Chiefs okay in terms of the Chiefs Xavier Worthy Andy Reid says today they're not going to short term IR him like the Niners just did for George Kittle yesterday they also said they're not going to have surgery so the alternative is to list him as questionable and see if he can make Sunday against the Eagles and put a harness on him? I don't know, man.

7:15Rich Eisen:Travis surgery ends the season. That's the problem. Right. Travis Kelsey had this to say about what happened in Brazil. I call the game. I just look down. I'm like, Xavier Worthy fell down. Make a mental note. Always say the words. Not fell down. Always say the words. He's on the ground. And then let's look at the replay as to why he did. Because he didn't fall down. he was crossing paths with Travis Kelsey who took um on his podcast with New Heights New Heights pod with his bro um he he he took I guess responsibility for what happened and and it affected the way he was trying to get through that game in the first half on Friday night I'm supposed to be running my route at depth for for Worthy so it's uh it's frustrating for me I was trying to kind of set up my guy to be able to get in a position to, and it all just happened pretty quick.

8:08And I just got to be better, man. I'm 13 years in the league. There's no excuse for me running into my own guys like that and being able to play fast and, and help him out where they had his guy beaten. We're out the gate and that game starts completely different. Right. You know, instead I, I'm not sure where he is exactly in terms of health wise, but I'm hoping that we get them back as fast as possible because he means so much to this team. And I was his biggest. You've been hyping him up. Not just fan, man. I can see that guy and how hard he works, and I can see his game getting better. And I know he's going to take the league by storm when he gets back.

8:47The biggest thing is that he's one of our best players. Right. He's going to take that step into being one of the best wide receivers in the National Football League. And I run into him, and all of a sudden, one of the biggest pieces of the game plan is out of the game. For sure. You know, one of the fastest guys in the league, and speed kills in this league, is, you know, now they don't have to worry about that. Thankfully enough, we had Traquan Thornton and Hollywood Brown to, you know, be able to step up in those situations. Not that they weren't already in the game plan, but obviously you need to fill those spots.

9:25Guys got to step up. Juju Smith-Schuster had a freaking great game. Oh, my God, big time, man. X knows it. I felt like I could barely even play the rest of that first half, man. But we geared it up once I found out that he was, you know, in better spirits than I imagined.

9:43Rich Eisen:That's some honest talk there, man. That also might explain just the way Kelsey looked in that first half if he's feeling that emotion about doing that to his teammate. I wasn't thinking about that. And I feel like I should have been. You're calling a game. You're in the middle of everything. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But making this about them, about me, that's some honest talk right there. And it just shows you again about the human element of the game that you can't get out of your head. Yeah, throw them off for the whole game. But it's also the point, they had a chance to win that game anyway, which is why I'm not throwing the towel in on the Chiefs to win this division, even though they're in sole possession of last place in the division for the first time in three years.

10:30Rich Eisen:They won 12 games, won the division, and hosted the AFC Championship game, lost to Burrow. It's last year they didn't make the Super Bowl. It was the last year that they were not. They were in last place, sole possession. So, listen, I'm not throwing the towel in on them at all. I am concerned about Xavier Worthy's health. And what his point is, again, they were not able to win the game after losing a crucial member of one side of the ball and a crucial part of a game plan three snaps in. And the Eagles lost their crucial guy on one side of the ball zero snaps into the game and came out with the win.

11:13Rich Eisen:Maybe the difference is one's home, one's on a neutral site technically. in Brazil, there were more Chiefs fans there than Chargers fans, I can tell you that.

11:25Rich Eisen:And, you know, it's unfortunate. But Worthy is not just going to come back in week two and then all of a sudden start running like a deer. I mean, like, this is going to be, is this lingering for the year? And should they, at some point in time, look at each other and go, do we get Tyreek back? I mean, if it's that serious. Or you just get through the next five weeks, go 500, if you can, or four and two, obviously better than that if you can, and get Rasheed Rice back in week seven and go to work. And then all of a sudden things get better and Worthy starts feeling better. Do you short-term IR him once maybe Rice gets back?

12:03Rich Eisen:If he's giving you five weeks of less than Worthy type snaps? These are all options for the Chiefs right now, but I'm not going to throw them out of the mix. You said Odell was down there in Brazil. I'm surprised they haven't had him in for a workout. I don't know. I don't know what their plans are. But I know they were talking about wide receiver rooms, best wide receiver room we've had in a long time, where he's going to take the top of the defense off, this whole grinding down the field. We're going to have to do that this year. And three plays in, Kelsey and Worthy collide, and it totally changes.

12:41Rich Eisen:And they almost won the game. I mean, again, if Chris Jones took a better path to Herbert, On 3rd and 14, I do believe they get the ball back, and then we'll see what happens. We're having a different conversation. 844-204-RICH is the number to dial on the program. Jason in Phoenix, Arizona, is waiting to chit-chat before. Hello. Hi. Thanks for taking my call. What's going on? I had a question for you guys, a thought I had. And I just came about it yesterday, But I was kind of curious what you thought about possibly Aaron Glenn being like the guy that perhaps may have been the most responsible for the culture in Detroit.

13:23Looking back now after this week and seeing that he had the best offensive output, which was surprising to me, especially with the cast of characters that he had to work with in comparison to what we thought was going to happen with Caleb and what I was definitely hoping would have happened with my Lions. It looked like he had the best offensive performance out of all three of the guys. And then looking back at what he did today, you see how much he's holding guys accountable. So maybe it looks like he might have been more responsible than I guess he was given credit for, especially by me.

13:57Rich Eisen:I don't know if you heard in the first hour of the show another Phoenix resident connecting with the show. And Kurt Warner, when I asked him, was the Lions performance in Green Bay indicative of the narrative that they're going to miss Ben Johnson? and he said he thought they missed Aaron Glenn more. That was his response. I caught in late. I did not hear that. That's what he said. I definitely agree with Kurt then. I don't know. Jason, did you get your job last second and go on a magic carpet ride as well? Because maybe you and Kurt Warner have more than just that in common. I don't know. Thanks for the call.

14:29Rich Eisen:I wish. If Jason and Phoenix, there he goes. Let's take this one at a time. The Aaron Glenn holding people accountable. Did you see he caught Xavier Gibson? Yeah. Who fumbled on a massive fumble on a return that flipped that game. The Jets had it. And they caught him. He is definitely letting people know about accountability when you do that. And he said it wasn't just one incident. I'm sure. We say it all the time. There's an iceberg. We only see the tip. And the tip was a pretty big fumble. Yeah. That was the end of that. see you later so he's he's bringing that to the equation in New York and we will see how that stamp works almost pulled that one off again the defensive guy coming in the offense looked really good and now here he is holding that accountability and I'll tell you this whole thing with the Lions missing their coordinators I bet you Dan and Campbell is sick and tired of that already.

15:39Rich Eisen:Week one games either salt a narrative or erase them when you've got six, seven months to talk about it in our world. And players hear it. I mean, Joe Burrow, before the season, was asked about having to start fast and prove something, just something to prove. And he basically said, you know, the narrative has shifted around our team. He says that. so players know about narratives they hear about narratives and they're either bothered by them or can erase them and then when they don't erase them they get bothered by it further and hear about it more and that's why winning week one is is big right then we have somebody said yesterday i think the jets loss can actually help them show what they have to improve a lot of teams have got to improve on on a week one performance but they're one and oh you'd rather be that way But I bring this all up to say of all the weeks for Ben Johnson to stroll into Detroit, right?

16:40Rich Eisen:Coming off of that week one performance in Green Bay that salted the narrative. Didn't erase it. They could have come in. If they had come up with another win in Lambeau, would have given them four in a row of those. I think first time ever or first time since, you know, the New Deal or whatever. and then it would be, see, we don't miss Ben. Here comes Ben. Let's show him what he left. Now it's like, oh, we miss Ben, we miss Aaron Glenn because look what we just did in Lambeau Field. And now all the weeks for Ben Johnson to stroll in, here he comes. And Dan Campbell at his second press conference of the week.

17:23Rich Eisen:He was asked about this, correct, Mike Hoski? Is that what I'm throwing to right here? is losing week one and all the noise surrounding it. After week one, after a new offseason, I'm not sure if you're familiar with all the opinions out there, but they are loud because they seemingly always are. How much will that fuel your tank? How much will that fuel your message, if at all, this week? No one fuels my tank is losing, all right? That fuels me because I don't like losing. Our players don't like it. And you go back to work, man, and you get back to the basics of what you do, man, and you hit it head on.

17:55There's nowhere to run, nowhere to hide. We're all accountable. And if we want to win, we've got to do the little things right and prepare that way. And then we've got to play that way. So that's what gets me going.

18:06Rich Eisen:And it's a great answer. Let's give the family feud a good answer. Because this narrative can be very corrosive. Because, again, he's in the film room motivated by the losing. So are the players. they're on the practice field starting at this point in the week feeling good about themselves we just had a great practice we're feeling good about ourselves this is it we're turning the corner, we're turning the page and then you hear the questions about hey man, the guy who you miss the most is coming into town with the Bears or hey man the guy you miss the most just cut some player the accountability of Aaron Glenn you know miss that and then maybe it creeps in and you're like, that good practice doesn't matter.

18:56Rich Eisen:So we don't have the guys. That's what they think. I'll show them they're wrong. I got to do that in week two. And I'm telling you, they got to be sick and tired of this narrative already. Just one week in. And I understand shows like this one, my position as well, that we think narratives matter. Maybe they don't. Maybe they do. Maybe not to those guys, but what we do. But doubts can creep, and that's why the coach is just like, you know what matters? You know what motivates me? You know what really gets me going? Not the narrative. Just losing in general. It doesn't matter who we lose to. Just losing in general.

19:38Rich Eisen:It's not what we do around here. It's not what we've done around here. And we're going to talk about this next week, but if you're 0-1, being 0-2, it's less than 10 % chance to make the playoffs. certainly if you're in a division where you're going to start picking everyone's going to pick each other off like that and then you play the AFC North too being 0-2 is a huge deal you've got to win division games at home that simple Lions know it, Bears know it Bears didn't do it, they'd love to stick it to the Lions and say you now have a division loss and as a matter of fact, you don't just have a division loss we can create a situation where the narrative that you're already hearing gets worse because guess who beat you?

20:21Rich Eisen:Your old guy. Kid's alright in Chicago. He was the one who turned the page from week one. You didn't. You're now 0-1 at home in division just like us. But we're 1-1 in division. You're 0-2 in division. And you lost one on the road where you don't like to lose. And you lost at home. And guess what? Now you're going to Baltimore on a Monday night at 0-2. Okay. It's a big game. It's a big one for narratives and for standings and for reality. It's a big game because after a home date with Cleveland comes a two-game roadie at Cincinnati and then at Kansas City. And then you're home for Tampa on a Monday night.

21:04Rich Eisen:And Tampa could have passed you in that HOV diamond lane of the NFC already at that point in time. 844-204-RICH, number to dot. We'll talk college football with Paul Feinbaum when we come back right here on The Rich Eisen Show. Don't you dare move. A fellow ESPN radio and ESPN man coming up.

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