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2:00Rich Eisen:Hour number three of the Rich Eisen Show is on the air. Great chats in hour number one with Hall of Famer Kurt Warner. And let's be honest, a catcher who might be on a path for such a thing with three rings and back-to-back all-stars. Three straight seasons as an all-star. Age 30, Will Smith of the Los Angeles Dodgers. He's on the path. Went down a little wormhole of one of the best World Series ever just last hour. If you missed any of it, there's our podcast all three hours. There's also our Disney Plus page where you can watch us back whenever you want. Skip the first 10 seconds of the show because I had my mic muted and didn't know how to unmute it.

2:37Rich Eisen:Not my finest moment. But that's what happened. Scared the hell out of me. I know it did. 844-204-RICH is the number to dial. Good fun stuff. Here on Disney Plus, the ESPN app and ESPN radio presented by Progressive Insurance. Hour number three kicks off with our friend from Pro Football Talk, ladies and gentlemen, the author himself as well the big shield is this a book that you can get where all books are sold certainly in time for it to be a stocking stuffer ladies and gentlemen mike florio good to see you mike how are you hey i think it would take a it take a big stock a stocking you could curl it up i guess like a newspaper but you know it'll fit it'll work and that's not a metaphor for anything uh no all right let's uh by the way we'll talk a little bit more about your book hello by the way good to see you yeah been a while it has i thought of you last week i said am i back on the pain no mind list and i wondered if it had anything to do with some of the criticism i've directed to your corporate overlords in recent weeks for reasons that have now been fully and completely resolved to the satisfaction of millions of consumers how many years do we have to know each other mike how many years do we have to know each other for you to know what you say about the national football league doesn't affect our relationship one single bit well you've got a different corporate overlord now ah you've got two of them oh i was referring to the other one oh oh okay the other one that wasn't able to watch for a couple of weeks that one oh that one i don't know what you're talking about that thing's over right i mean i'm checking my what no i'm just kidding uh listen but no of course not good to see you um what is the story entering week 12 of the season season long storyline arc and then we'll get to a week 12 story that that intrigues you but give me the first dozen weeks story of this season well i mean the subtext is what it always is no matter how much we think we have things figured out we realize one week at a time sometimes one game at a time that we don't but it feels despite the existence of several two lost teams and some three lost teams it feels like things are wide open and it feels like this rush to the postseason where some of these teams with inflated records are going to have more difficult schedules for example the bears they've got some tough games coming up it feels wide open and it feels like the chase for the playoffs will be very compelling those last few spots in the postseason field and maybe one of those teams that just sneaks in is going to get hot in january like the chiefs may and just this idea that it could be a very entertaining and wide open and anything can happen playoff tournament this year with no preordained favorite although with the eagles defense looking better and better all the time it may not matter that their offense continues to sputter yeah and the AFC I think um I think for the lack of better word personifies your point here um you know other outlets might have the teams on the outside looking in in the hunt we have it sniffing it here on the Rich Eisen show just to show you our level of maturity but the three teams currently in the sniffing it category eight nine and ten are the teams that have won the AFC South, AFC West, and AFC North more often than not over the last few years.

5:47Rich Eisen:And the two loss teams are teams that have most definitely not. Colts, Patriots are the AFC East leaders right now. One loss above the Bills, but really one and a half games. And there's the Broncos. So I guess that's to your point here as to how wide opened it is. But of the Texans, Chiefs and Ravens who do you think has the best chance to make the run that we're all accustomed to seeing from them well by the way I approve fully of the sniffing it moniker despite the fact that it it does it does call into question the age-old axiom whoever smelled it dealt it correct but I think the Ravens would probably be the most likely just because they have one path and that path as a practical matter I guess there's a way they can pull an inside straight and get a wild card berth I think for them, it's chase down the Steelers.

6:41And they play the Steelers twice in the final weeks of the season. So they will have opportunities. And the Steelers' schedule gets more difficult down the stretch. And we don't know if Aaron Rodgers is going to miss time. And if he does, if he misses one week, how many weeks is he going to miss? If that broken wrist keeps him from playing Sunday, well, won't it also keep him from playing the next Sunday until that bone heals? however many weeks it takes to get him to a point where he can check all the boxes that Mike Tomlin articulated yesterday. So I think the Ravens, just because they're one game behind the Steelers and they play them twice, and we know that that rivalry is compelling, but the Ravens have had the better of it lately.

7:19I think the Ravens have the best chance because they can still win their division. The others are going to have a harder climb to get there.

7:26Rich Eisen:Well, you just touched upon one of the week 12 stories and something that I'm sure Rogers had circled when the schedule came out. This is what we believe and I'm sure he deep down believes is his final visit to Soldier Field as an active player. I just can't imagine that there isn't some form of a cast that can protect him as well as give him the ability to hold on to the football and grip it when he needs to potentially to use that hand or certainly when he's got both hands on it and getting hit by a Bears defense to hold on to the football. I can't imagine that he doesn't play in this game we've seen quarterbacks play yeah we've seen them play with an injured non-throwing hand now it does change maybe the way they hand off it changes maybe there's more shotgun and less receiving of snaps under center but you know the key is and this is a point mike tomlin made yesterday if you fall down and you go to brace yourself and that that left wrist hand area takes your weight and that's how the injury happened in the first place he was knocked backward falling down with other guys on top of him what's going to happen there and is it going to be worse what's the risk of something more significant that would knock him out maybe for the balance of the season and then there's the question of the gap between Aaron Rodgers and Mason Rudolph some would say that maybe it's not as big of a gap based upon Rodgers performance so far this year and Rudolph came in went 12 for 16 127 yards and a touchdown in the second half against the Bengals on Sunday.

8:58And he's a guy that they supposedly were comfortable with. We don't know whether that was just bluster, but he was solid late in the 2023 season when they did the soft benching of Kenny Pickett. And he wanted too much in free agency. You know, he got paid more by the Titans last year than the Steelers paid to Russell Wilson, Justin Fields, and Kyle Allen combined. So he's back this year. He's played a lot of football for the Steelers. And I think it doesn't change the Steelers' overall vibe dramatically if they go Rodgers to Rudolph. But Rodgers is going to want to play. We reported on Sunday night he was trying to get back in the game on Sunday.

9:32Tomlin essentially confirmed that yesterday. He's going to want to play. And if he's got the final say, he's going to play. He's going to have to be talked out of it. But again, if it's bad enough to get him to stand down this week, how many weeks beyond that until it's safe for him to play

9:49Rich Eisen:without risk of a serious re-injury? Mike Florio here on the Rich Eisen Show, Pro Football Talk. Obviously, there's his legion of shows on Peacock as well as a book for you to buy called The Big Shield. We'll get to that before I let you go. Speaking of letting go, five coaches every year, at least since 2015, have been fired. We're already at two. Give me the names of guys or teams that you think are on the precipice to add to the list of the Titans and the Giants over the final few weeks of this season, Mike Florio. and this exercise rich it always makes me uncomfortable because i'm with people's lives it affects families yes sir it affects other coaches but but the most appropriate quote and jonathan gannon the cardinals coach who's now on the hot seat he used a version of it on monday when he was asked about it this is hyman roth to michael corleone and godfather too this is the business we've chosen and every time a coach is hired by an nfl team it is just a matter of time with rare exceptions before he's fired by that NFL team.

10:58That's the way it works. And I did something on Sunday while I was watching your excellent pregame show on NFL Network game day morning. I did a broad brush, like approaching it as a fan. If I'm a fan and I'm just looking at the league right now, which teams are the ones that I'm keeping an eye on the final eight weeks of the season? And there are 15 teams that I identified. Every coach in the AFC North, depending upon what happens the rest of the way, may be in some degree of danger, grave or otherwise. But Gannon, with two ugly losses the past couple of weeks, I think he's getting close. And we know that they don't need WD-40 on the revolving door at Arizona's headquarters.

11:40They fire coaches all the time. They've been around more than 100 years, and they've never had a coach for longer than six years. And he's in year three. So that's one that I'm watching very carefully. and you know beyond that what are the browns going to do what are they ever going to do did paul de podesta recently leave on his own or did he feel that the door is going to close on him will they clean house there in cleveland will mike mcdaniel stick around in miami they've won a couple of games will that help him what's a new gm want to do and you know i look at rich the and and i hate to put this out into the universe but i think it's malpractice for us as analysts and reporters to ignore this when you have josh allen still in his prime how many years of his prime does he have left if they don't win the division if they get a wild card berth and they're one and done at what point does ownership take a hard look at why why aren't we getting more out of josh allen is it an issue of talent which would tend to point toward gm brandon bean is an issue of coaching which would point toward coach sean mcdermott is it both is it neither but at some point you just wonder whether or not that conversation is going to be had within the building and and then you look at the falcons with michael pennix now out for the year and kirk cousins playing again and i think we'll all be reminded of why they shouldn't have given him 90 million dollars guaranteed over two years i think there's a potential for a full house cleaning in atlanta as well but there's a lot of different spots if you look at the entire league there's a lot of spots where if things go off the rails the rest of the way we could see and they used to call at Black Monday.

13:15Hell, it happens the day of the final games of the season. Gerard Mayo got the tap on the shoulder in the locker room for crying out loud after week 18 last year in his one and done season with the Patriots.

13:27Rich Eisen:So, a couple follow up questions. The first one, just for me here, because we have this drop at our disposal all the time. This is the business we've chosen. We have it. Did Jonathan Gannon really reference hymen roth or you're just using that did he didn't he didn't he didn't reference hymen roth but he used a version of that line okay good this is the this is the job we take or something like that but it was the same idea and he said we joke about it my response was don't joke about it it's real and this is why it's incumbent as we now start to wonder who the next wave of coaches will be there are certain jobs where you have to go in with your eyes open that the clock is ticking the moment you get there the moment you walk through the door Mona Lisa Vito is stomping on the wooden front porch you don't get a grace period because the owner is going to be quick to make a change and you know there are dysfunctional teams and dysfunctional teams do dysfunctional things but too many coaches think and this is I think a product of their success and its confidence that borders on delusion that sometimes becomes hubris I can be the guy to make it different but you don't have a whole lot of time to do it if you don't win right away i mean look at dan campbell in detroit if they didn't turn it around the second half of the 2022 season how much longer would he have lasted with the lions they flipped the switch and in hindsight it was good they did because they were on the front end of what's now a consistent contender but it went it did not go well the first year and a half for dan campbell so that that's the the next question where the coach is going to come from and who's going to want jobs with the teams that you should objectively look at and say why would i want that job well i mean the giants job is one that i think i'd be all over right i mean they're they don't want to one and done anybody again or two and done anybody again they're going to keep the general manager so you know you're the one thing is you know you can't bring your own person in um in that regard but jackson dart clearly is it scadaboo is just a bunch of fun and he's just he's really good and at some point Malik neighbors is going to come back you kind of you you got to like the bones that are there right and so who do you think the Giants would go college I mean Lane Kiffin has everything happening in his favor right now Florida's fallen all over him LSU's fallen all over him I guess what the the governor of Louisiana said he had a two-hour chat with with Lane um who says it's not true that he's gotten an ultimatum from Ole Miss to get an answer by the end of this month.

16:05Rich Eisen:And the timing, unfortunately, doesn't line up for a pro job. But why wouldn't the Giants at least want to even kick a tire and let's get the college coach of Jackson Darden here and give him another shot of the NFL, Mike? And I'm not doubting the accuracy of the report that there was an ultimatum, but what would the URLs be? Like, we want an answer by November 28, or what? We're going to send you home without dinner? Like, what could they even do? It's laughable. but it just shows you how the college system has kind of gone off the rails where you can poach coaches not just after each season but during the season and undermine the efforts of a team to try to finish strong when they've had the kind of season that makes the coach attractive if i'm the giants here's what i i would do and all giants fans should be very happy that i'm not the one making these decisions but i think that you desperately need an offensive coach who will join at the hip with Jackson Dart and develop him to his fullest.

17:01And the flip side is if you get a defensive coach and things go well offensively, the offensive coordinator becomes a head coach somewhere else. And you've got to go find somebody else to continue the career arc of Jackson Dart. So I think an established coach with NFL head coaching experience who is an offensive expert would make a ton of sense. You mentioned that the GM is going to stay put. That becomes a factor because Joe Shane is going to shy away from somebody who may want to come in and take over. That's a reality. We see that every year. There are coaches who have options and they use that to create leverage and they dictate the terms that want them.

17:36Rich Eisen:Okay. Mike Florio here. Mike Del Tufo just hit the wrong button. All good. I wonder what that was. I thought it was me. It's a drop of Dick Vitale saying that I'm awesome, which by the way, I can't confirm. So in the few minutes I have left with you, Mike Florio, um the team or situation that the rest of your sources or everyone that blows your phone up to talk ball is interested in right now entering week 12 what's the what's the what what team leads that pack mike i think the the eagles offense continues to be one of the both most overblown and underblown stories in the nfl if that if that's possible because a lot of people are talking about it but not enough people are talking about it and not enough people are really getting down to the root cause it isn't just aj brown being a diva because he's not we were talking about this today on pft live he he is sufficiently selfless that he is willing to come off as selfish by speaking out because we will react to someone like aj brown thinking he just wants more targets he wants more catches he wants more yards he wants more touchdowns no he wants the offense to be better and his point is you can't just say everything's fine because we win the game at some point the defense isn't going to bail us out special teams isn't going to bail us out we need to gain yards and score points if we want to win games when they matter most and there's this this this tension that continues to be unexplored and i credit the eagles for concealing it as well as they have there's something going on between jalen hearts and aj brown brandon graham said so last year before they gave him a mock and a bucket and said go clean go clean up that that mess that you made by saying there are personal issues between the two of them but you've got Brown saying winning isn't enough you've got Hurts saying winning is enough and you've got situations where AJ Brown is open and he's not getting the football and they forced it to him some the other night and Rich this was something Chris Sims pointed out on Monday and it makes a ton of sense the Lions going for it on fourth down five times.

19:41Sunday night was the night to punt. Sunday night was the night to kick off. Sunday night was the night to force the Eagles to show that they're functional on offense. You don't need to have, as Troy Aikman would say, big onions if you're the Lions. You just need to keep putting the ball back in the hands of a team whose offense is struggling and they're playing in front of their home fans and they would have been ready to let them hear it on Sunday night. So they won the game and the defense is looking dominant, but I think that offense is something that we need to continue to watch remember how it went two years ago they were 10 and 1 and the wheels came off what's going to happen the rest of the way for the eagles that one is very compelling and there's a lot of people around the league chattering about that

20:18Rich Eisen:mike florio okay and the cowboys up next and they look pretty good i don't care that the raiders are not performing well offensively they they looked as stout as ever man and a problem uh running in and throwing and with Quinton Williams and DeMarvy and Overshown, that strengthens a front seven that gets that back end of the defense a little bit shored up. They looked like a different team and I can't wait to see the first, you know, real test, if you will, against the Eagles coming up this weekend. That's great. And the Cowboys offensive line can block the pass rushers for Philadelphia, can buy enough time for Dak Prescott to get the ball to George Pickens and CeeDee Lamb.

20:58And if the Cowboys score early, and that's how it goes at home. A couple of years ago when the Cowboys were undefeated at home until they faced the Packers in the playoffs, you score early, you put pressure on the other team, and the defense does just enough. You get the ball back, you score again, and then you get into a setting where you can just go rush to the pass. Now they don't have Michael Parsons to do it, but Quinn and Williams really made a difference, and I don't think this is an easy game at all for the Eagles. And then they turn around and they host the Bears on Black Friday, and the Bears are a problem all of a sudden.

21:27So the Eagles are going to have their work cut out for them if they want to get back to the Super Bowl and win it.

21:31Rich Eisen:Speaking of what happens in Vegas not staying there, the Big Shield. You like that? Well done. I like it very much. Big Shield, everybody. And tell everybody where they can get this and just in time for the holidays. And I'm amazed I've yet to get a cease and desist letter either from the city of Las Vegas for misappropriating the sign or from the National Football League or as it stands, Rich, the NBA or Major League Baseball because there are multiple athletes who are being managed by this mobster type who is headquartered in las vegas but it's a lot of the stuff that we've since learned about the terry rosier allegations there's a character named jimmy king in big shield who is doing exactly what terry rosier allegedly was doing and the whole goal is to create a cautionary tale you know these leagues can send out memos and wag fingers at players about what they should and shouldn't do but if any of them read it and we are in very early stages of trying to develop it to be a series and the production companies are nervous because the sports leagues may not like it they should ask the sports leagues i know from talking to some of the people in and around the nfl they see the value in an educational tool that is far better than a memo you see it play out you see what the risks are you see what happens to the characters you become attached to when they chase easy money there is no such thing as easy money and big shield tries to display that through this combination of the mob gambling and a professional football league that is officially not the national football league but for the couple of spots where i accidentally refer to it as the nfl in the book right florio saying don't sue me not for the first time probably in his life um right here i want them to no no no no you want discovery or no i know i know i want the boost i want the boost i mentioned this to dan back in september when when uh only the good die young the billy joe song was out and the catholic church had a big fit about it and they oh yeah he he sent them a letter saying will you please do that to all my songs that's right that's right i saw the documentary it was awesome uh it was awesome and uh i guess this is like we we've got a drop for that we got you mentioned mona lisa veto earlier in the i learned a lot from um mona lisa veto that's not joe pesci no i mean that's not herman munster i didn't get it at first that's bill belichick man mona lisa veto uh and all that stuff uh okay thanks again mike by the way by the way the ebook's 99 cents on amazon 99 cents and it's only 14.99 for this very useful thing that can come in handy you know like if someone spits on you and you do what comes natural you can you can just give them a whack with this and protect your knuckles oh if only jalen ramsey had a copy of big shield instead of his own hand i'm trying I was trying to get one to AJ Brown to read on the sidelines.

24:13I was going to take one and slip it to big dog.

24:16Rich Eisen:You should have done that. He sometimes needs the reading material. Take care of yourself, Mike. Thanks, bud. All right. See you, buddy. Mike Florio, creator and chief of Pro Football Talk. All right. ESPN Radio is presented by Progressive Insurance. Progressive is proud to support veterans and small businesses with its annual Keys to Progress vehicle giveaway program helping our heroes drive their lives forward. Learn more at keystoprogress.com. 844-204-RICH-NUMBER-TO-DOLL O'Shea Jackson Jr. in the building I believe he is in the building which means this will be fun I think he's going to finish the show with us 844-204-RICH-NUMBER-TO-DOLL if you want to chat with O'Shea Jr.

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26:41Rich Eisen:back here on the rich eisen show on espn radio presented by progressive insurance uh we had will smith on this program in hour number two and radio audience you didn't hear this but we had will QC, Michael Del Tufo's Yankee slash Dodger hat. And he was outraged by it. As somebody as cool as a cucumber could be about it. And it's only fair that speaking of fair weather, Dodger fans, O'Shea Jackson Jr. Hello, friends. Back here in the rich extra. Don't you think that's a proper way to introduce O'Shea Jackson Jr.? Christopher? Yeah, absolutely. The disrespect is real. TJ, you've gotten to know O'Shea Jr.

27:29Rich Eisen:very well. A little bit. Would you think that's an appropriate way to introduce him? A bandwagon Dodgers fan. Bandwagon is crazy. Man, he's all things L.A. I got to give him that. So even though the Dodgers weren't at the forefront of his fandom, I'll call him a bandwagon when it's just he and I, but I can't throw him under the bus. That's my dog right there. Tag team partner. Best in the world, TJ Jefferson. That's embarrassing, TJ. You should be embarrassed. Why? He's not a family. That's my partner right there. Is this what you refer to when you call the Rich Eisen Show a hostile work environment?

27:59Absolutely. I came in here bright-eyed, bushy-tailed, you know, in my nice jacket. I love that jersey. But then, yeah, you guys came in here bashing me already, especially after it seems like LeBron James fit pretty well in that Laker team. Well, you did.

28:14Rich Eisen:O'Shea Jackson Jr., I shouldn't question your Los Angeles credentials. No. Especially since you're wearing a winter coat because the temperatures drop below 62 degrees. disgusting have you seen outside it was 42 in the valley this morning it was really cold okay yeah i almost needed an ice scraper really wow to get to work today yeah i mean okay maybe not i did use the seat warmer yeah come on man you can do a little hyperbole you know we're in the entertainment yeah hey listen uh i i finished the first hour of the show i know you didn't hear it because You're probably still sleeping. Oh, yeah.

28:50Thanks for that text.

28:52Rich Eisen:That text in the moment was like, there's no way Rich hit me right now. That was incredible. I had a LeBron appreciation segment on this program. Y 'all done came up around here. Much to the chagrin, dismay of Chris Brockman, who didn't want to join in. But we will never see a guy tip off a 23rd NBA season of a career with the credentials that LeBron has and the ability to continue to play basketball at a very high level. We just won't see it again. And on the Lakers. Okay. The key part. What do you mean? You guys trade for every superstar later in their career. So, yeah, I'm sure we will see this again.

29:36Rich Eisen:No, may I correct you? The Lakers don't trade for every superstar. other teams give them their superstars. Just like the Dodgers. Okay? You know what I mean? Other teams, like, get Obi-Wan Kenobi'd. Yes. These are not the all-time greats you want to keep anymore. You should just trade them to the Lakers in one of the worst pocket trades of all time. Don't you like the beach? You like that? That was my Alec Guinness impersonation. That's really bad. I thought he was in the room. See what happens to you? I agree with your point of view. As soon as I get an agree with your point of view once, and then all of a sudden, look at us.

30:09Rich Eisen:Beautiful show. It's a hostile work environment. It's a Michigan man right there. 11-4. And in game one, there's no question. I guess if I told you last night going into this game against Utah Jazz, the conversation would be the ones that we're having right now or LeBron, the Lakers weren't ready for him, that he's only screwed up their 10-4 start. Now they're 10-5. Instead of he double-doubles, Luka gets 37-10. And Reeves gets 26. Aiton's alley open. Yeah. And they score a buck 40. That's what's more likely for you, Chris. What would you say? It's November. Oh, my goodness. Do you know how much dread you tried to give me the last time I was here?