Hour 3: Ravens RB Derrick Henry, plus Delaware State HC DeSean Jackson In-Studio

20:00Rich Eisen:Well, again, I just remember when you came in the league. I remember your career as well, Deshaun. And I remember, you know, when we first started talking about you with Chip Kelly, there was a full conversation about you not knowing the full playbook, that you didn't know, you know, outside of just what type of receiver. You didn't know the X, Y, and the Z. You didn't know routes. You didn't know that stuff. Was that a fair? I think it had points in being because, like, being a receiver, sometimes you don't really have to know the whole offense. But in Chip Kelly's offense, he had plays where one play you could flip.

20:37Like if it was to the right, you would have to know the right side. Now that same play could be called to the left, and that puts me in a different position. So it's like me having to learn two different positions. So I never really had to learn that until I got into his offense. So, I mean, I think it played a part in, you know, some things I didn't know and I had to like study extra, you know. So I think somewhat of a play that played.

20:58Rich Eisen:Do you think you would have been a first rounder if it wasn't for potentially what you've been referring to over the last few minutes? I think, you know, just the crowd. Obviously, my dad, family-oriented. I mean, they all wanted it. Like, it was a clip in the documentary. My dad said, like, why wouldn't his dad want me to win the Heisman? Like, you know, I think he was crucified for, like, wanting me to be so successful. And, like, as a father, you want your kids to do right, you know? So I think just really the people around me, like, everybody poured into me. They wanted the best for me. So I think sometimes that came off as too aggressive.

21:29And, you know, for Jeff Teffer, who we kind of got over our heartaches of our relationships. My dad really had a bad relationship with him towards the end. We was able to move past it. But I think the documentary shows the temptation that everybody wanted the best for me. And sometimes that wasn't the best sake for the team at the time. So I think that played a big part because everybody wanted me to go to the NFL. We're going to do three years. We're out. We're going to the NFL. And, like, I think Coach Teffer was like, you know, it was a little too much for him at the time.

21:56Rich Eisen:What was your draft like, Nat? Again, I know this is all part of the documentary, and it's all been documented again by your brother, who was a director, right? And he's been training his camera on you ever since it basically came out of the womb. Definitely. But what was draft night like for you? Man, that draft night was hard. I think being projected anywhere from 15th to the end of the first round and then sitting back, that year was very unique because there was no players, I mean, no wide receivers took it in the first round that year, which I don't think has probably ever happened. Not anymore.

22:27I know, right? Yes, a lot of electrifying receivers. So for me, it was hard because it was one of those things where I kind of knew that my grade was a first-round pick. And I know I was smaller. I didn't really weigh as much. And then the characteristics of saying, oh, he wasn't a team player. He was selfish. Or he didn't work as hard as he could have worked. I think all that mounted up to, and then they said my dad was a problem. I think it was some talks that got back from Tefford to Coach Reed. So just to sit back and the first thing I hear after they say you're drafting me is I don't want to have to deal with your dad like that.

22:59That was hurtful. That definitely was hurtful.

23:02Rich Eisen:What was it like with Reed? What was Coach Reed like? Coach Reed was a father figure to me. He understood. He was from California, so he knew the temptations. He knew the different ways I was being pulled and coming from my upbringing and stuff like that. So he was able to say, man, look, I know you're going through stuff home. I know you got a lot of people pulling on you. They want this. They want that. But at the end of the day, when you come here and you're on this football field, you got to be focused all on football. But it was just something different about Coach Reed because he understood.

23:29And I think, you know, he's like a second father to me for sure.

23:32Rich Eisen:Yeah. And what was he like for you when you lost your dad? He was there. I mean, he definitely played a big part because I didn't like when I lost my dad, I was like me losing my backbone. You know, I didn't have that voice to, you know, stray me back from, you know, when I wanted to go do the knucklehead stuff. And Coach Reed, like, was one of those guys. he was understanding but at the same time he made me feel like I can go to him and talk like you know those things that I was going through at home losing friends you know people going to jail you know going going to jail for life and for murder so it was hard for me man like I was I was strayed from different positions and being a professional after I tell people all the time you got to be locked in because NFL is hard like being a professional athlete you got to work hard you got practices you got meetings like it's it's hard so if you're one foot in one foot out man You could definitely be drawn down the wrong strings.

24:17Rich Eisen:Best quarterback you ever played with is? Can you tell me? Who you think I would say first? Who would you say first? I don't know who you would say first, but you've got to put Vic in the equation. Yeah, Vic's my all-time favorite. Some of the plays that me and Vic have done together, obviously Donovan Manab is up there as well too. But yeah, I would say Vic for sure. Well, Vic put everyone in the Hall of Fame that first night, right? Against Washington, right? Everyone's in the home family after that game. For sure, 80-yard bomb, first player of the game, man. Leron Landry was talking all that stuff before the game.

24:50Was he really? He told me he was going to kill me. I'm like, man, this is when football is, like, you're talking, like, I'm a human being. Like, I get it. You know, some of them dudes, man, some of the stuff is saying on the field, but, like, I think it was very personal. He was like, I'm going to hit you so hard I'm going to kill you. And I said, man, what? I went in the locker room. I said, Andy, I said, Marty Mourning, I said, going to dial it up. Because that play wasn't called at first. But all that happened before the game. I said, yeah, dial that player for the game. Bombs over back then.

25:16Bombs over back then.

25:19Rich Eisen:Did you say something to him after? Yeah, for sure. I said a whole lot to him. I said, man, you better watch what you ask for, man. He's like, you fast. Because he tried to dive at me and tackle me like midway through. And I'm looking. I'm so, yeah, this is over. But Vic, man, he was one of them guys. Like, he threw it so far, but he never overthrew me. Like, he would put enough touch on it where, you know, he would put it like where I could, you know, run under it. There were some guys that could never, they just thought they just had to throw as far as they could. But I'm like, man, you got to put touch on it.

25:45You got to give me a chance to go run underneath it. And Vic, he was the best doing that. If I told you that night, you're both being coaching in 2020.

25:52Rich Eisen:I would have never predicted that. I couldn't have told you. There was nothing on God's earth, planet's earth, that I could have told you I would have been a head coach. Like me? Come on. No. I couldn't have told you that. Well, I want to dive into that in a couple more minutes here. Go deep. The Deshaun Jackson story available for streaming Thursday, September 24th, exclusively on Prime Video. Let's dive into the miracle of the Meadowlands, too. Again, I know this is part of the documentary. Yes, sir. All right. Walk me through your moment as you were visualizing it. Man. What was happening? You know, it's crazy.

26:25I visualized a lot before I went on the field. Like, even the night before games, I used to just always visualize. I just closed my eyes and just think about, like, me scoring. And I think people don't really, you know, take initiative to how much visualizing plays in sports. And, you know, it's crazy. I just left from doing an interview with Victor Cruz, who was on that team. Okay. And he was like, man, I never got to ask you. And we've been friends for a long time. He's like, I never got to ask you that. But he was standing like 10 feet away from Coughlin. He was like, whatever you do, do not kick this ball to him.

26:56And Matt Dodge, for some reason, I didn't think he was kicking it to me. I thought he was going to kick it outside the stadium. So when he kicked it to me, I couldn't believe he kicked it to me because I was antagonizing. I'm like, yeah, come on, kick me the ball, like pumping him up. I was trying to trick him. But at the end of the day, it worked to my advantage.

27:11Rich Eisen:So ball in the air, you're thinking, I cannot believe this ball was coming. I couldn't believe it. There's nothing in life you could have told me he was going to kick it to me. 13 seconds, 14 seconds left. So when he kicked it to me, it was like a line drive. I could tell he tried to kick it out of bounds, but he tried so hard. It shanked and came right to me. It was like a direct punt to me. And when I actually received it, I fumbled. I tell people all the time I did it on purpose. Because if you see, when I fumbled, it went like two to three yards to the right of me. If you know punt return and kick return, the teams are supposed to be in certain lanes.

27:41Everybody has a lane you have to be in. So when I fumbled, it took them out their lane. So they all shifted two to three yards to the right. So I stuck my foot, picked it up, stuck my foot in the ground. I tell people, my dad passed away. It was like a year and a half after that. And I just feel like he grabbed me on wings and just guided me to the end zone. No kidding. Real talk.

28:01Rich Eisen:What's it like when you walk around New York City? Oh, they can't stand me. There's two teams that when you talk about Deshaun Jackson, they can't stand. New York Giants and the Dallas Cowboys. They're like, we cannot stand Deshaun Jackson. But, I mean, still to this day, man, people are like, man, you just upset at everything that we had going. Because, you know, that year they was going to go back to the Super Bowl, to the playoffs, obviously, can't say the Super Bowl. I think in 2009 they won the Super Bowl. So that was like their second year to go back, and we shattered that. Well, not to look past you, but the gentleman over your right shoulder, I need to get confirmation he's a T.J.

28:35Rich Eisen:Jefferson who you met before the show. Diehard Dallas Cowboy fan. Can you confirm Deshaun's theory? About the Cowboys? Yes, sir. Yeah. Because here's the deal. When Deshaun Watson, who we had to suffer through with the Washington football team and the Eagles, if the man would only have two catches a game against us, there would be two probably 75-80-yard bombs, and one of them he'd take to the house every single time we played him, it seemed like. So, Deson Jackson, I really did not like to see you on the other side. You know, I was going to say, too, so my all-time record is four catches for 210 yards versus the Cowboys.

29:14Four catches for 210 yards, that's crazy. I know it's some crazy statistics that you could probably find, but it's probably like in the 70s or 60s. So that four catches for 210, that's like a hurdle.

29:25Rich Eisen:Yeah, it's an average of over 50 yards a catch. Even I could do that math, and I'm more verbal than math. That's, you know, that's me. So you can confirm, and we're getting confirmation all around. So Washington, because you played for them, you get a pass? Yeah, I killed them pretty bad, too. It's crazy, though. I do feel like I get a pass because when Chip Kelly and the Eagles released me, then I went to Washington and I gave the Eagles a handful of BTAs, as they call it, built to you know what. So I feel like it was crazy, though. Those years, I think three years when I was playing for the Washington, at the time they were the Redskins.

30:02I had like the most yards versus the Eagles. I think I had like over like 1 ,400, 1 ,500 yards in like four or five games. It was crazy. And I was mad as heck. I'm like every time I get a chance to play versus Chip Kelly, I can't say what I want to say. That was my thinking.

30:16Rich Eisen:Yeah? That sort of thing against Chip, huh? I used to go to the sidelines. I used to see him on the sidelines. I used to be talking all types of kids. He'll probably, if you ever talk to him, he'll probably say, man, what did Deshaun Jackson tell you when he walked by or when he was on the field. I was so mad at that dude. But you know you let me learn. You forgive people. But yeah, that was hurtful. Maybe you should schedule Northwestern on your Delaware State schedule because that's where he is right now, coordinating the offense there. They got a lot more resources than us, though. But I ain't turning down no faves.

30:49They resources. I don't think you put on a pedal stool, man. That's kind of far-fetched. But yeah, maybe the next stop.

30:56Rich Eisen:um let's talk about coaching right now who came to you with the idea and did you need did you were you were you flattered surprised like what was your emotion about being offered a coaching yeah so how it came about was actually my first year when i retired after the 2022-23 season i sat around for a whole year and didn't do nothing i took my kids to school just enjoying the life because i feel like you know i deserve that but after that year i was like man i've been sitting on his couch, I got to get off my butt and go figure something out. You know, my brother at the time was a head coach in high school for 30-plus years.

31:30Travis Clark, who's my assistant head coach and defensive coordinator at Delaware State now, just got off the couch and I went to go coach for him. That was my first year of coaching, and I just fell in love with it. After the first week when all these guys were starstruck and all the players like, oh, my God, Deshaun Jackson's coaching me, like I could just see like everything I was pouring into him, how much it made a difference. And, you know, I just really fell in love with coaching. And in our first year or in my first year of coaching, we took a team that's never been to the championship in the first year.

31:58We took them in over 100 years. We took them to the championship game, and we lost in the championship game. And then, like, literally two weeks later, I get a phone call from Delaware State. Hey, we're looking for a celebrity, big-time NFL retired coach to be a head coach. And Deshaun just came up, and I was like, nah. Because, you know, all those years playing, like, in the NFL and college, like, I saw how much time my coaches spent at the facility. I'm like, I played 15 years not to retire to go be in the facility for 12, 15 hours a day. So I was like, nah. So the first two, three times they asked me, I declined it.

32:30Then I called Coach Reed, Sean McVay, and Deion Sanders, and I was like, man, what do y 'all think I would be as a head coach? And they gave me nothing but positive influence. And I said, you know what, I'm going to give it a try. And that's how this came about.

32:42Rich Eisen:By the way, to call Andy Reid, Sean McVay, and Deion Sanders as an ability for you to pick people's brains, that's pretty blessed, don't you think? I mean, honestly, it just shows the relationship I have with them. And all three of them actually talked to the athletic director and the president of the university and basically wrote me a recommendation letter because they was asking because I didn't have no experience coaching. So I had to get something from them, and they all basically gave me nothing but flowers. And it was just appreciative to be able to call on those type of guys with the caliber of their names.

33:14It just made me feel great.

33:17Rich Eisen:I love it because while you were playing, you know, I was working on NFL Network with Prime. Yes, sir. And, you know, he would know the game inside and out, obviously. Marshall Falk, too. Now they're both coaches, right? But Deion would, and you saw it, Chris, when you were watching games with him. Oh, yeah. When somebody would make a bonehead move, he would scream, cut him. Cut him. Right? That's what he would scream at the screen, Deshaun. Cut him. Before he gets back to the huddle. Before he gets back to the huddle. I would cut him before he gets back to the sideline, is what he would say. And then when he starts doing his truth, you know, he starts coaching, you know, in Texas.

33:58Rich Eisen:I'm thinking to myself, all right, that's interesting that somebody that would scream, cut him. Right, it's coaching now. Right. And look at him now, you, Marshall, Eddie George. Is Ed Reed doing it? I know he was talking about it. Yeah, he was. I don't know if he took a role. So what do you say about people like, oh, well, you're not paying dues or you're just getting a gig, right? But what do you say about – because you see it in basketball where players can get a coaching gig kind of faster than football players. I just think it's really a great opportunity to be able to give guys that have a lot of credibility.

34:31And when I say credibility, it just knows the games, the ins and outs from being a player to being able to relate to a player. You know, you have no disrespect to coaches that hasn't played, but you have coaches that don't know what it's like to take a hit, that don't know what it's like to go on the field and, you know, build those relationships and be in positions where, you know, like, you know, in this scenario, I might have to do this because I played the game. And I think for me, that's to relate where I have with my players, where I'm able to connect to them and I'm able to get a little more out of them because I'm telling them things that I know for sure.

35:01Like, I did this wrong or I did this right. Like, you want to go to the NFL, this is what they're looking for. So for a player, man, and for me, there was a lot of coaches. And I ain't going to say names, but, like, I didn't like and I didn't.

35:12Rich Eisen:Oh, I think you already said that. But there was ones that I couldn't relate. Just check the tape. I'll throw a red challenge flag on that one, but keep going. You know, there's just certain coaches that I couldn't relate to. And it was for a reason. But the coaches that I did relate to is because they understood me as a player, as a person. And some things don't have nothing to do with X's and O's. It's just like what you're going through at home. You know, I may have lost somebody or I may have got a phone call that I'm going through and I'm stressed out. But here it is. I got to go to work.

35:40And some coaches that could read you may know. I may not be able to yell at him today because he just received a phone call. He's going through something at home. So to peel back layers and it be in this position where I can relate to my players. And I feel like I get more from them because they understand that the things I'm telling them, I'm not just yelling and shouting at you because I want to. Like, I'm doing this for a greater cause. And being able to get or hire coaches that have been able to go through all different types of walks and now you're able to motivate at an HBCU is just like, I think that's where you've got to start at.

36:13And, you know, for me, I'm just blessed to be able to have this opportunity because it's not even about going to the NFL. Like, if I can help these kids be fathers, sons, you know, walk across the stage and get a degree, I mean, that's bigger than anything in life, I think.

36:26Rich Eisen:what would your dad say if he just heard you say that man he would probably be teeth tossing and turning probably and he's not in the grave because he was cremated but i think he i think he's proud man i think you know just to see everything we went through to me me being a father now somebody asked me earlier like like how would i feel about my dad and like it it don't i ain't gonna say it hurts but like it gives me a sore spot because my kids weren't able to meet him i just feel like man if they would have been able to meet him and you know how much he would have been able to love because my dad was a lover, man.

36:57Like, he took so many kids up under his wing that didn't have fathers, and he was always open. Like, you want food? I'm going to give you food. If you want that hard, that tough love, I'm going to give it to you. And, you know, my dad was one of those guys. That's why I'm so – it was hard for me to say no to people, and it's hard for me to turn my back on people because of that.

37:12Rich Eisen:So when you're coaching, have you caught yourself and say that sounds like somebody? Myself, yes. Oh, okay. I'm trying to tell them to not do certain things, and I see myself doing everything they did. So it's like a twofold, but I feel like it's great because now I'm able to say, you know, if I would have did this different, I probably would have had that much more success because I had a successful career. But I still feel like it was a lot of things that I probably didn't get credit for because I did things my way. And, you know, some coaches probably felt like they couldn't control me or I didn't listen.

37:43But, you know, looking back at it now, it's like, man, maybe if I would have just listened a little more, maybe if I would have worked a little harder and working out or lifting weights. But, I mean, you can't go back in time, but you can tell the youth. You can tell the up-and-coming future that, like, look, I did this wrong. If you could do this right, just imagine what you could be.

38:02Rich Eisen:All right. Last one for you, Deshaun Jackson. We already heard you love beating the Giants, love beating the Cowboys. Yes, sir. And you loved laying it on the Eagles when you were with Washington. You also laid it on when you were with the Eagles. For sure. I think I got that all right. Yeah, you got that right. Who wins the NFC East this year? That's a good question. I only ask those. Wow. It's hard for me. I can't say the Cowboys. I feel like they have a good team and they've struggled. He was probably alive when they won the Super Bowl, but he was young. That was a long time ago. That was like in the 90s.

38:35I still remember him. It was great. Man, I can't go against my Eagles, man. It's going to be tough. We lost A.J. Brown and Makai Lemmon's got to step up.

38:43Rich Eisen:Well, everyone lays everything. It hurts his feet. He's a heck of a quarterback. He's a winner, man. People can talk all they want. He's a proven winner. I can't say he's more winning percentage. I mean, he probably has winning percentage more than Dak Prescott right now. You want to look that up, Chris? Listen, the bottom line is, I just love how Hurts has been betting on himself, right? His whole journey is unique as it gets. He loses his gig to Tua, sticks around, still gets Alabama where they need to go before he leads to Oklahoma. He puts himself on the Heisman podium there. He gets drafted in Philadelphia.

39:18Rich Eisen:Everyone's wondering why the hell he's there. Then he goes there. Two biggest games of anybody's lives, he balled out. He could have been the MVP of the Super Bowl. He lost. To Andy Reid, I was going to say that for sure. You know what I'm saying? He had a heck of a chance. I mean, they was up in that game. What is with Philadelphia? It's a tough place. You know that. Come on. It's a tough place to play. Don't act too far. You know, Philadelphia, you got to have thick skin, man. Even when you're doing well in the game and you do something wrong in the game, you're going to get booed. I've never been in a part of a game where you're getting cheered and then you're getting booed in the same sense.

39:52It's like crazy to me. But I would just say this, man. The Eagles are the Eagles, and I think they're the best team in the NFC East. I don't think Washington, I don't think the Giants are going to be able to win that. If anything, I would probably say the Cowboys, but I can't say the Cowboys, but that's why I wanted to know the question. Dak is a winner, but guess what? He's not a winner in the playoffs. Yeah, Dak wins 59 % of his games. Jalen Hurts, 69%. Hey, so there you have it. You could say Dallas, though. No, I could. I could, but I'm not because it's just me and my heart. Like, you know, I bleed green.

40:26Like, if you was to cut me right now, you're going to see green coming out my veins. I respect that.

40:29Rich Eisen:But your guy McVay seems to have the best team. Would you agree with that? Yeah, man. Yeah, McVay, man, he figured out a way to always do it. But coming back, Aaron Donald, like, that's tough, man. Miles, Garrett, and Aaron Donald, like, on the same team. Like, how are you going to block that? Like, you ain't got enough blocks. You're going to have to be a heavy set formation every time. Pretty much. Pretty much. What a pleasure to catch up with you. No, for sure, man. It's been a while. Can we race? I want to race you in a 40, man. I would love that. You think you can beat me right now? Absolutely not.

41:03What if I gave you like a 10-yard head start? No. Great question. Great question.

41:06Rich Eisen:Yes. So I run a 30, you run a 40. Yeah. Let's go. You know, Dion once ran, as Leon, remember the Leon Sandcastle character that he played for the NFL Network commercials with the afro and everything like that and the mustache. He once, stride for stride, ran with me doing my 40 backwards. Wow. And then he turned around and beat me for the rest of the way. And that's the... Backwards, that's crazy. How long ago was that? Oh, gosh. Like 10 years ago? 10 years at least? It's been a while. It's been a while. Yeah, so I run a 30, you run a 40. Let's do this next year for charity. Let's do it. I will reach out to you.

41:37Rich Eisen:I would love to get you involved. Let's do it. What's your time? We're out of time. Hell, what? Look at the clock. Oh, we got to go. Lots to go. Let's get out of here. We ain't going to ask that, man. Look at us. I think we can find it if we want to go on Google. Well, it's called Go Deep. Deshaun Jackson's story will be available again, streaming Thursday, September 24th, exclusively on Prime Video. Best of luck to you in Delaware State, sir. Sure, man. I appreciate it. Great to see you. That's Deshaun Jackson right here on The Rich Eyes Show. We're back to wrap it. Oh, there you've got the poster right there.

42:08There you've got the poster. Let's get it, man. Do I look the same?

42:11Rich Eisen:Check it out. Oh, got to have you sign that. Leave it here if you don't mind. Yes, sir. Sean Jackson right here on The Rich Eisen Show. The Rich Eisen Show, the podcast.

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44:25Rich Eisen:Join the 2.7 million small businesses using LinkedIn to hire. Get started by posting your job for free at linkedin.com slash eyes and terms and conditions. Apply. O'Shea Jackson Jr. here. Get ready for a no contest wrestling with TK Jefferson. Hey, you're not a tennis guy? You are a tennis guy? You are? Yeah, I mean, I know it be on. Well, it's on. Okay. Yesterday was one of the greatest days at the U.S. Open I can remember. It had an amazing feel to it. The women's matches were intense. They went deep. Sabalenka survives. Pagula survives. The Pagula match lasted so long, Ben Shelton and Carlos Alcaraz did not get on to the court.

45:09Rich Eisen:They got pushed over two hours. They got out there shortly before 11 p.m. Eastern. Oh, yeah, I don't like that. And they played a five-setter, an absolute classic. Ben Shelton is the first American to beat Carlos Alcaraz in a major. First time. Carlos Alcaraz was 13-0 against Americans in major competition. And he came out, and he won that first set in a tie break. And then Shelton won the next two. And I'll be honest with you, that's when I hit the sack. I hit shut-eye. Well, it also looked like Alcarez, you know, this is his first tournament back after missing months with the injury. And it looked like he had kind of hit the wall and that, you know, it was kind of Shelton's time and his moment to really take him down.

45:58And then, you know, he's the best player in the world for a reason. He's won all those majors for a reason. Alcarez dipped into the bag, won the next two, and then we get an epic fifth set, 5-5, 6-6, tiebreak, goes to the tiebreaker. man and Ben Shelton finally came out on top serviced won the last two points to win 10-7 his last serve was 146 miles an hour

46:22Rich Eisen:unreal at 3.30 in the morning spectacular spectacular and then one of the points I believe it was in the in the second set first set tie break it was something for the ages unbelievable see the highlights and the the call of Fowler and McEnroe as great as it gets. And so Ben Shelton is going to be taking on Francis Tiafoe in the semifinal, which means an American male of color is going to play in the U.S. Open Finals for the first time since Arthur Ashe did it in the 70s and it's going to be in the stadium named after Arthur Ashe. It's awesome. Very cool. It's going to be unreal on Sunday. Friday night, by the way, is when the semifinal.

47:18Rich Eisen:Yeah. Ben plays such a violent, powerful game. He's almost sitting$1.50 on his serves. It's just I've never really seen somebody play tennis with that type of just power. I mean, he's 6 '4", 205, chiseled. Trinity Rodman's there the whole night cheering him on. So great. So great. So cool. it was just dynamite. 3.33 in the morning is when it ended. All I could think was Rich really thinks he could get a point off of this. That's what I thought. Literally, that's the way I was going to finish this segment. I looked at him. I think Alcaraz is as vulnerable as ever. Just take him to 3.30 in the morning.

47:55Rich Eisen:I can do that. Oh yeah, I can do that. Easy, I can do that. Thanks for listening to the Rich Eisen Show podcast. You can watch and listen to the Rich Eisen Show live weekdays from noon to three Eastern on ESPN Radio, Disney Plus, and on the ESPN app. The Rich Eisen Show, the podcast.

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