In short
NFL “No Fun Police” fines for touchdown celebrations, plus a celebrity interview with actor Malcolm McDowell about his film Last Train to Fortune and his career (including Clockwork Orange).
Guests (in this episode segment)
Malcolm McDowell, actor (known for A Clockwork Orange and many films/TV; promoting Last Train to Fortune). No other named guests appear as interviewees; earlier show mentions include Seahawks WR Jaxon Smith-Njigba and The Athletic’s Matt Schneidman, but they are not guests in this hour’s interview.
Key claims
The NFL is fining players for celebrations that resemble drinking or other gestures. Kyle Juszczyk was fined about $14K for “juice” (drinking juice in celebration) despite saying he wasn’t drinking beer and that his nickname is Juice. George Kittle says Juszczyk’s nickname is now “beer,” implying league misunderstanding. Jamar Chase and T.J. Hockenson/others are referenced as fined for specific gestures (e.g., “people’s elbow,” arm-pad/elbow celebration). Malcolm McDowell discusses Kubrick casting and production details.
Notable examples
Juszczyk’s “juice” touchdown chug; Jake Ferguson’s “shotgunning a beer” celebration (possibly non-alcoholic); “people’s elbow” fines; McDowell’s Clockwork Orange lid locks (eye anesthetized; lid locks run down cornea when sitting up) and his improvised “Singing in the Rain” homage during filming.
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VONFL's No Fun Police Returns
2:21 to 4:26
Discussion on NFL players being fined for celebrations and celebrations policing.
“Live from the Rich Eisen Show studio in Los Angeles.”
Celebration Fines and NFL Reactions
4:26 to 8:19
Rich and the crew react to various fines and discuss players' celebrations.
“because you never know where the tackle's going to come from.”
Listener Call: Chicago Bears Fan Perspective
8:19 to 14:00
Listener Brett shares his thoughts on the Packers and his sports experiences.
“By the way, Jake Ferguson did get fined for his celebration where everyone was shotgunning a beer.”
NFL Talk and White Sox Celebration
14:00 to 18:34
Discussion about NFL injuries, White Sox clinching, and humorous sports memes.
“Although, you know, the fact is they're not feeling Caleb being on IR.”
Interview with Malcolm McDowell
21:13 to 28:00
Malcolm McDowell discusses his film Last Train to Fortune and reflects on his career.
“And this relationship, you know, which they both learned something from.”
Football Rivalries and Ownership
28:00 to 29:20
Discussion about football teams, rivalries, and ownership dynamics.
“It's like, I think maybe like being from Boston or Pittsburgh or something.”
Celebrity True or False Segment Introduction
29:20 to 30:26
Introduction to a fun segment about Malcolm McDowell's career facts.
“Malcolm McDowell here on The Rich Eisen Show.”
Working with Jack Nicholson
30:26 to 33:08
Malcolm shares stories about his interactions with Jack Nicholson.
“and Jack was always there, and Harrison.”
Behind the Scenes of A Clockwork Orange
33:08 to 34:54
Malcolm discusses filming the re-education scene in A Clockwork Orange.
“Do you still maybe in real life get sick to your stomach hearing Beethoven being played?”
Improvisation and Kubrick's Direction
34:54 to 37:36
Malcolm talks about his improvisation in A Clockwork Orange and Kubrick's reaction.
“He was swinging around that lamppost and splashing, splashing in the gutter and had a smile on his face.”
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Star Trek Fans and Celebrity Encounters
37:36 to 39:58
Malcolm shares experiences with Star Trek fans and stories involving William Shatner.
“And he stuffed his handkerchief in his mouth.”
Death Threats and Internet Fame
39:58 to 41:49
Malcolm discusses receiving death threats from fans due to his role in Star Trek.
“On the internet, which was rather new, I didn't know anything about the internet, But my nephew called me and said, Uncle Malcolm, you've got a death threat on the Internet.”
Experiences on Entourage
41:49 to 42:03
Malcolm shares his experiences working on the show Entourage.
“So, you know, they only shoot for four or five days or something.”
Malcolm McDowell's Directing Anecdotes
42:03 to 44:02
Learn about Malcolm McDowell's humorous experiences on set with co-stars.
“I was playing this corrupt lawyer or something.”
Discussion on NFL and Jets
46:59 to 48:33
Rich Eisen and a caller discuss the Jets' performance and future prospects.
“but didn't have Malcolm McDowell finishing up his appearance by slagging all over David Caruso on my bingo card.”
Transcript
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2:40Rich Eisen:Earlier on the show, Seahawks wide receiver Jackson Smith and Jigba. Coming up, actor Malcolm McDowell. Plus, latest news and more. And now, it's Rich Eisen. Hour number three of the Rich Eisen Show is on the air. 844-204-RICH. Number to dial. We take your phone calls in a matter of moments. Malcolm McDowell, for crying out loud, is in our green room. We've got an outstanding celebrity, true or false. that I'll be straight up as very clockwork orange heavy. That is just, so we're going to go down a nice Kubrick wormhole. By the way, not a bad fantasy name, right? That's not bad. Okay. 844-204-RICH, number to dial.
3:25Rich Eisen:First two hours already had some great chats. Jackson Smith and Jigba of the Seattle Seahawks. Matt Schneidman of the Athletic talking about the Packers getting smoked on Thursday Night Football by B. John Robinson, Drake London, Michael Penix, and the Atlanta Falcons. I mean, that thing was a wrap just after halftime. And your phone calls have been in support of talking about that and getting ready for the weekend. What's more likely, an hour or two? First two hours, if you missed it, you can catch all three hours on our Disney Plus page when we're done. Our YouTube channel is also a great way to stay attuned to what we're talking about here.
4:06Rich Eisen:There's also our audio podcast, Overreaction Monday, and No Contest Wrestling, or also other shows that you can get that way and on our YouTube channel, youtube.com slash RichEisenShow. Fair warning to NFL players. It's not as if they need the warning to have their heads on a swivel as a National Football League player. because you never know where the tackle's going to come from. You never know when you're going to be taken down. Head on a swivel. But I'm not referring to what's going down on the field in terms of their physical safety. I'm talking about what's going on with their wallets. Fair warning, NFL players, there's apparently somebody new in that office.
4:52Rich Eisen:I don't know if it's literally someone new or there's a new directive or something. But there's somebody with a keen eye of what they think is appropriate celebrations. And they're fining players. We're back again with the no fun police that I thought we were done with, to be quite honest. I mean, Kyle Juszczyk getting fined for chugging in celebration of scoring for a 10th consecutive season for the San Francisco 49ers. Ten straight seasons. Him just like Kittle in this game. Ten straight seasons catching a touchdown for the San Francisco 49ers. Very few have done it. Only four before Kittle and Juszczyk joined that group.
5:43Rich Eisen:And he's swigging in celebration because his nickname being Kyle Juszczyk is juice. What is juice? What is juice? Okay. Well, maybe some people refer to their alcohol as juice. That person might be the one that finds players for inappropriate celebrations. Because they popped them. How much did they pop them? 14 grand? 14K, yeah. Yeah, change. Insane. Weird number. And do we not know he does this when he scores touchdowns because his nickname is the juice and or he's juice Kyle use check well now according to George Kittle his nickname is now beer because I guess somebody in the league office thought somebody could misconstrue that as a drink shot gutting a beer who the drunk fans in the stadium I don't know.
6:48Rich Eisen:What are we doing? Juice, by the way, is his nickname. Juice is what he celebrates. He's drinking juice.
7:00Rich Eisen:Had this to say about the fine. I don't know how else to say it. I wasn't drinking beer in my celebration. I think you guys all know my nickname is Juice. I have juice on my pads. The stadium yells juice when I catch the ball. When I celebrate, I celebrate by drinking juice, and it's been that way for years. So I was surprised as anybody when I got a fine this week. That's the other side of it is I don't even drink beer. I maybe drink like five times a year in the offseason, and it's usually with George because he peer pressured me. That's usually a pretty good argument. Kyle, I think what he should do from now on is if he scores, a touchdown because juices sometimes are served in a box.
7:47Rich Eisen:Maybe you should take like both straws are wrapped in this cellophane that's tough to you know what you pop it right and you pop like but that could be construed as a very different hand gesture and he could get double the fine. He better not pay this fine. Apparently because he also got fined for helmet use in week one. He's having both of those fines in what he calls a double header hearing on Tuesday. Excellent. A double dip. Absurd. By the way, Jake Ferguson did get fined for his celebration where everyone was shotgunning a beer. This is beers, right? Well, it's air. They're not actually drinking.
8:33Rich Eisen:Well, I mean, they're acting as if they're shotgunning beers. Could be a Coca-Cola, root beer, Sprite. Jamar Chase fine for the people's elbow TJ What? You didn't see this? You didn't see this? Oh man And T. Higgins They both got fined He was pulling off the arm pad The elbow pad Yeah that is not what this means I don't think He said it's the people's elbow he was doing Yeah Well you know how the rock pulls the elbow pad Oh I know That's not what I thought he was doing He said it Oh we got Jamar on it? He said it yeah Jamar hit it superstars have to get in with the nfl pa and and fight for our money because if if he's getting fine for doing a drinking gesture a juice gesture then i mean i'm getting fine for an elbow and doing the first down thing i mean i can't really do much about it i mean we can complain i don't even think we can tweet about it because we get fined for tweeting about it so like it's really players got to keep their mouth shut and deal with it.
9:37Rich Eisen:But we got to have a superstar on the NFL PA to do something about it to help us along the way. So this is did they think they were doing again like, because again, growing up in Staten Island, if you take your other arm and go here and go that way. That's different. Okay, that's what, is that what this person He's holding the bottle. All I'm thinking all I'm thinking is
10:07Rich Eisen:saying in response, if I'm if I'm use check, right? And I know Kyle, I did text Kyle today asking him, why is he destroying the youth? Ruining. Ruining everybody. And he wrote back, yeah, I'm such a monster. And I said, listen, that appeal didn't work for Hannibal Lecter, so you better come up with a different one. And so my response would be, what's going through your mind that you think that what I'm doing is offensive to potentially something? Like, what prism are you watching the celebrations through? Exactly. Like, what is your job here? Who could possibly be offended at these? the league should get out of the policing business unless it is totally like over the key and peel multiple pumps like that one I can get you only get two three is a penalty you know what I mean there's a reason why that was a skit you don't want to be a skit like who's in charge like the the the dad from footloose yeah right is that what's happening now let's go the church lady is a church lady in charge of of of looking at who's appropriate or not like what are we doing what game would you watch it there it is exactly that's the was this still again i'm not an nfl network employee anymore normally i do get these videos from the league office about what's good and what's not.
11:56Rich Eisen:Are they sending this out? Is this point of emphasis? Like, why? I don't know what it is. I don't get it. And clearly, they don't. Like, Kyle Juice Juszczyk. Ten years. So, Kyle, again, don't do that anymore. Do the juice box thing. Just try to. Capri Sun couldn't quite. You know what I mean? Yeah, that's tough, though. Yeah. Because now it looks like you're making a different motion. You see how, again, it's just theater of the absurd. Absurd. Let's go to Brett in Sioux City, Iowa. What's up, Brett? City. Oh, yeah. Hey, Rich. Long time, first time. Appreciate you taking me on the air. You got it.
12:45Rich Eisen:There's been a lot of people talking about the Packers today, and I want to offer a little bit of a different perspective on it, okay? I think the Packers are doing perfectly. I don't want them to change anything. Now, for context, I am a Chicago Bears fan. Okay. So that's why they changed things. I think they should have extended Matt LaFleur longer and Brian Kutikun longer. Look at you. Look at you. Look at you with your one division title, right? Look at you with Ben Johnson, good, better, best. Look at you, Brett. Look at you. And you're like feeling it, feeling you. Oh, my goodness. Look at you.
13:31Rich Eisen:Bears didn't perform well either. Are you a Cubs fan too, Brett? Brett, are you a Cubs fan too? Oh, yeah. Shout out PTA 40-40. Dude. So how about this? How good does it get, right, when the Cubs clinch? on a day that PCA goes 40-40 and then the Packers look like that at night. Is that a good day in your sports life, too? It could get much better. I mean, the President's Cups in Chicago. Bill Murray is drinking from the President's Cup, right? Yep. President's Cups in Chicago. The Bears are feeling it. Although, you know, the fact is they're not feeling Caleb being on IR. It could be worse. Brett in Sioux City, Iowa is talking smack and now he's only out week to week man, anyways they need to keep Brett in Sioux City, Iowa and the White Sox clinch the White Sox clinch thanks for the call Brett, the White Sox clinch and then the Packers just step on their you know they they step on their Ben Johnson you know what I mean oh the memes last night they caught one fan of the Packers this lady she was checking her neck pulse she's a meme today she's breathing oh man hey sorry to that fan I'm calling her out listen nobody's memed more than a Michigan Wolverine football fan sitting in Michigan Stadium watching the teams go down the tubes That's Sad Cobra.
15:12Rich Eisen:Oh, man. And did you see the celebration? Murakawa of the White Sox, you see this one? Have you seen this one, TJ? This guy's incredible. Hit it. Bune, your first clubhouse celebration rated on a scale of 1 to 10. How's it going so far? How's it going so far?
15:37Rich Eisen:100. Now 10. 100! Yeah! How many champagne bottles have you opened so far? 100! Just what does it mean just to be able to celebrate with this team?
15:59Rich Eisen:I'm Japanese!
16:06Rich Eisen:I watched that like 10 times last night. Wait, you only watched it 10 times? It's funnier every time you see it. Oh, we have a drop? We got it? 100! So when we're telling the truth, we're keeping it... 100! How many yards did Pijan have by halftime? 100! Oh, my gosh. He's the drop king now. Shout out to the interpreters. Even the Pope getting in on it. On the Pope plane. The Pope plane. Pope Leo. who was at the White Sox World Series, right, years ago. Yeah, 05. He was asked about the White Sox making the playoffs. What do you think happened in Chicago? Holy Father, I'm sure you're pretty aware that last night the Chicago White Sox made the playoffs.
16:55Rich Eisen:Two years ago, they just had the worst record in baseball's history. Years in a row. Sometimes call it a miracle. Do you have anything to do with that? No comment. Hey, listen, everybody back off the Pope because we may be calling upon him when the lockout hits. We may need his help then. With all due respect to the White Sox. Okay? It's true. We might need his intervention at that point in time. I just like to keep it, you know. What? Handle him! You always have to keep it. That's great. Kudos to the reporter as well. Yeah. Susie has been on her run with the Lakers and the Angels. Oh, part of the championship.
17:37Rich Eisen:Oh, yes. Celebrations, yeah. Yeah, I think Erstad emptied an entire bottle of Veuve Clicquot. Yeah. Whoosh. Like her first time there, I think she wore like a white suit in there. Bad news. Next time it happened, she was fully prepared. Because you know how much it costs to clean that suit? One hundred. On a scale of one to ten. One hundred. One hundred. It just gets funnier and funnier. Oh, my God. I'm Japanese. I'm Japanese. All right. How many games did the White Sox lose the last two years? One hundred. Yeah, now look at them. Oh, man. Oh, gosh.
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21:21Rich Eisen:The Rich Eisen Show podcast. Worthless. He goes, no, no, wait a minute. And of course, the whole thing starts. And this relationship, you know, which they both learned something from. And that's called Last Train to Fortune. Our radio audience has just returned. That's the voice of Malcolm McDowell, who is here in person in support of this Western Last Train to Fortune, available now in select theaters, available on digital November the 6th. How many Westerns have you been in in your career? Oh, so many. This is the only one. And this is the reason I really wanted to do it, because I'd never done a Western.
22:01I was about to ask. As a child, I love Westerns. And, of course, we all saw the Saturday morning pictures, you know, Hopalong Cassidy and Roy Rogers and all that. So to do a Western, I think every actor really wants to do one. But, you know, when I started, it was revolutions and, you know, big revolution in a boy's school or Clockwork Orange kind of thing. Bangs. So the Western sort of took a back seat for a while. They became unfashionable until I think Clint did Unforgiven, which was absolutely – What an incredible movie. One of the great movies ever made. I agree. Certainly one of the great Westerns and incredible performances.
22:46And a beautiful film. And I think then, you know, there's hopefully starting to come back because they are moral tales. It's not just about the West. It's about very things that are going on right now. So it's, you know, they're really, and they're wonderful to do. I mean, but really to do the first one when you're 80, crawling around in the dirt and being thrown, and I was cold cocked and on a horse. I don't ride a horse. James rode the horse. But I sat on it backwards. That's enough. There you go. Really weird to see nothing except a tail. Sure. Especially if they're a bit windy.
23:31Rich Eisen:You don't want that. Again, Last Train to Fortune is the name of the film, available in select theaters right now. How did you meet Stanley Kubrick for the first time? How did you meet him? he called and asked to meet me that's it yeah simple yeah okay now i subsequently learned from his widow christiana uh after stanley had passed away she told me she goes do you know how you were cast and i went well no actually i don't she said well stanley wanted to see your first film really badly. He'd heard all about it. He had Paramount send over the cans to watch it. He had a projectionist. He was watching it.
24:17Apparently, I made my first entrance. He hit, he watched the scene, hit the intercom button, and said, relace that. Go from the beginning, go back. He did it four times. And then he looked at Christiana and said, we found our Alex. And which film was he watching you he's watching if a great film i mean uh it won the palm door can it's one of the top rated english films of all time it's it's a i'll say it a masterpiece and that was your first film that was my first and as lindsey anderson said he directed it well malcolm it's all downhill from
24:57Rich Eisen:here well stanley kubrick pauses and says we found our our main droogie here and then obviously that's a massive moment for you on that. Well, of course, the weird thing is that the biggest change in my life came after the first film because, you know, doing theater and scraping by and desperate to pay one's bills in a tiny apartment, you know, in London. Right. And then suddenly, boom, everyone knows you. You know, everyone knows you. And you're being offered like$100 ,000 to do a movie. And you're like, what? Oh, God. I mean, this is great. You know, incredible. And you're from Liverpool? I'm from Liverpool.
25:45Rich Eisen:That's where you're from. Okay. Now, did your fame, and again, I want to dive in a little bit more into this film in a second. I'm just going to take this shot. Normally, I like to ask questions. I know the answer to it, but I'll just say it. Your fame being from Liverpool, did you ever cross paths with the Beatles? Oh, yes. How so? Well, I had a girlfriend who took me to the cavern and watched her favorite group, the Silver Beatles. And they were great. They were the Silver Beatles. So I went back every Friday night with her. And, you know, they were all in the leathers with the DA haircuts and all the green, the burl cream, the whole deal.
26:27and then one of the last times I went they were all in suits and washed their hair and they looked like a whole different and they'd whited out the silver on the drum. And it just said
26:43Rich Eisen:Beatles. Beatles on it. Yeah. So I guess what George Martin had got a hold of him and said this is the way we're going to Not George Martin no, Brian Epstein. Brian Epstein, pardon me that's right Brian Epstein got a hold of him. So he had a record store around the corner, and people kept going in there and saying, have you got this by the Beatles? And the Beatles, they'd done their 10 ,000 hours in Hamburg. Right. They really, and when I saw them, of course, I can't say I would go, yeah, they're going to be world, but I did think, wow, these guys are good. You have to dance to this. And they were doing rock.
27:26I mean, let's face it. They had two of the greatest pop singers of all time as their front men. Also three probably of the greatest songwriters. With George. Absolutely, George. He still wrote. George is still the title holder of the most played Beatles song, Here Comes the Sun.
27:48Rich Eisen:Here Comes the Sun. Yeah, yeah. Right. So there's this little city that was kind of shoved aside from the main. You know, people from Liverpool are kind of different. They've got a great sense of humor. It's like, I think maybe like being from Boston or Pittsburgh or something. It's very blue collar. It's divided by the red side and the blue side, Everton, Liverpool, whichever. Yes. I was always red. My father took me to Anfield to see it. But weirdly, now we're owned by... The Red Sox owners. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah, you are. And LeBron James. And you even mentioned now Bezos is now getting a piece.
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28:35Rich Eisen:So that's your side, Liverpool? Yeah. That's your side. Oh, God, yeah, yeah. Okay. They've always been since I was a boy. And, you know, now my boys are all Liverpool, Liverpool. We don't like Manchester United. We call them manure. You support them. Instead of manure. Well, you heard the news, right, that they're apparently. Firing their manager. Oh, where did they pop for cheating? Is that? Man City. Man City got popped for cheating. Is that official? Apparently it is. Yeah, it is. Well, we'll be looking forward then to getting a few more championships because if they're cheating, we came second to them three times.
29:12And one with a one point. So we'll just take those championships.
29:18Rich Eisen:Yeah, you'll take those banners right now, sure. Malcolm McDowell here on The Rich Eisen Show. All right, so some questions about your career. We have a segment called Celebrity True or False. Oh, great. See if these things that we've read about your career, if they are true or not. Malcolm McDowell, Celebrity True or False. Hit it, please. Celebrity True or False. You can't handle the truth. See, that's our production. I love that. Did you ever work with Jack? No. Never? I met him a few times. You had any good stories about that? Well, you know, he is the one who gave Mary Steenburgen, my ex-wife.
29:57Who's in this film as well. She's in the film, yes, absolutely. He's the one who cast her in her first movie. So she was very close to Jack and just talked to him about him in the most incredible way, which he is. He's a great guy, you know. And we'd have dinner occasionally, namely at Toby Raverson. Okay. At her house, she used to have dinners in the old days. We used to go, and Jack was always there, and Harrison. I remember Harrison. I remember Harrison going, I don't know whether I want to do another one of these Star Wars things. He goes, I don't even know the director. I don't like him. And I went, well, who is it?
30:39He went, it's this guy, Irving Kersh. And I went, kush do it he's a great guy i love that guy and it was true i had never worked with him but i knew
30:49Rich Eisen:him i knew him in london so harrison ford was wondering does he want to keep being han solo and you're like do it yeah i i i just on the strength of the director yeah i mean that's his was his kind of um indecision was because he didn't know the director so and i just went in and said, hey, he's a great guy. I love stories like that. All right, first up, true or false, Malcolm McDowell, true or false, you actually had your eyes clamped open during the re-education scene of a clockwork orange for real and suffered a scratched cornea in the process. True. So that's, they really did that to your eyes?
31:29They, those, they're called lid locks. Yes, sir. They're used in delicate eye operations, but normally the patient is lying flat on their back. Yes. Not propped up watching videos. And in a straitjacket to boot. So what they did was anesthetize the eye. The guy who's, you can see his hands, he was a real doctor from Moorfields Eye Hospital. And he assured me everything would be fine. But of course what happened was when he put the lid locks in because I was sitting up, they would run down my cornea without me knowing. I couldn't feel it. and they would fall out and then we'd have to put them back in and it was a real pain in the ass.
32:14Rich Eisen:Were you legitimately terrified going through this? Legitimately? Like that didn't get too much for you to act terrified? I wasn't thrilled by it. And when he showed me the picture of a patient, and I went, yeah, great. You know, not thinking he was meaning me to do it. And I went, oh, I'm not doing that. Stanley, and I'm looking at it, I went, These things are in the eye. They're not even, he goes, yeah, I've got a doctor coming this afternoon to reassure you. And so that's the way he did it. And the doctor said, no, you won't have a problem. We use these all the time in eye operations. But so, and it's the real doctor in the shot.
32:57And he had to keep my eye moist with artificial tears. because if you leave it 14, 15 seconds, it could dry up and you'll lose your sight.
33:09Rich Eisen:Do you still maybe in real life get sick to your stomach hearing Beethoven being played? Love Beethoven. Okay, so you're good. That did not ruin. Okay, very good. Only in the film. I have to ask the backup question, the follow-up question. Here's another one. True or false? After learning of your deep fear of reptiles, Stanley Kubrick used an actual snake in a clockwork orange to generate true fear from you. No. That's false. It's sort of semi-true, but not really. The real story is that I had a pet snake. And I went, oh, I'm not that keen on snakes, Stanley. He goes, well, neither am I. Jeez.
33:50But it was a python. It wasn't a poisonous snake. Okay. And they put it in a drawer under my bed. And he goes, when you take your boots off, get off the bed, open the door, take the snake out and kind of pet it or whatever. I went, okay. So I did this. I took my boots off, open the drawer, no snake. And I went, the snake's gone while the whole crew just bolted out the door. And I went, wow, thanks, guys. And the snake had wound up in the springs of the bed. Oh, my God.
34:25Rich Eisen:Now that's terrifying. Yeah, that's a bit of a nightmare if you don't know it. Okay. Wow. All right. True or false? You singing in the rain as you are beating everybody up in this film, totally improvised by you. You improvised that. That was your right. Yes. Well, I improvised it from the great Gene Kelly. Well, but he wasn't beating people to a complete pulp. No, but he was very happy. He was in a euphoric state. He was swinging around that lamppost and splashing, splashing in the gutter and had a smile on his face. And so my character was euphoric. and without even thinking, I started straight into singing in the rain as an homage to him, of course.
35:19And Kubrick loved it? Kubrick absolutely loved it because we were stuck. He hadn't turned the camera in four days. We had nothing. What do you mean? We'd sat there for four days, because, you know, in the book, they break in. The film had a certain style. It was a heightened style, which the book did not have. When you're filming it, you've got to find something that you, you know, you can use to sort of propel what the book is sort of saying. And so we couldn't just be realistic or naturalistic, come in, throw bottles through the window, and beat the guy. And it just didn't work. It wasn't clever enough.
36:09It was just boring. It was just not going to work. And we all knew it. And I kept saying, well, this is not Stanley. We've done, we just shot the end of the movie. And the end of the movie was great. We got it. It just was brilliant, you know, all this going on and the transformation and everything else. I was cured, all right. And so he actually passed me. I was sitting on the stairs. He passed me and he just out of the corner of his mouth said, can you dance? That's all he said. I was so bored with sitting around i jumped up and i went can i dance i'm singing in the rain right boom on the beats and it's brilliant because it's horrific yes but it's also darkly darkly funny it's and totally what a disassociative yeah that you are singing and dancing yeah a song that is
37:17Rich Eisen:normally associated with singing and dancing in the rain, right? And instead you are raining misery on these people. Yes, yes. And, um, wow. And so when I saw Kubrick out of my periphery vision, he was laughing so hard he had tears. And he stuffed his handkerchief in his mouth. What is your favorite Kubrick movie outside of the one you did? strange love i wouldn't have that that's that's not usually on people's radars really yeah well it's strange dr strange love is what you're saying yeah okay oh yeah which before yours okay yeah it was uh two before the rom immediately before which i think is a masterpiece too yes 2001 yes but for very different reasons i think his technical ability of taking the you know a science fiction story and putting it on a millennium jump.
38:19I mean, before Stanley, it was basically Flash Gordon with cardboard sets. Yes, sir. And there'd be no Star Wars without Stanley. There'd be none of this, you know. But Stanley's genius was, you know, doing this. And, of course, you know, what about AI having this, the howl turns against them?
38:39Rich Eisen:Yeah, exactly. I mean, 2001 Space Odyssey already was about technology run amok and that you couldn't control. That's right. Don't do that, Dave. A couple more for you, speaking of outer space. True or false, you and William Shatner were once mobbed by Star Trek fans at a Rolling Stones concert in Las Vegas, Nevada. Is that a true story? He was more mobbed than I was. Oh, is that right? And I'm very fond of Bill. I've got some funny stories about him. You know, he's a funny character, but he is able to laugh at himself, which is saving grace. We were going sort of back corridor kitchen things, and we were getting into the service elevator when fans spotted him, came running down and tried to get in the elevator, and William Shatner was kicking them out of the elevator.
39:34It was such a memory to be savored. With the bottom of his foot? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Get the f*** out of here. I'm going, good God, they're your fans. I mean, it was hilarious.
39:50Rich Eisen:That said, the fans, true or false, once gave you death threats because your character killed Kirk in Star Trek. Is that true? That is true. Yeah. On the internet, which was rather new, I didn't know anything about the internet, But my nephew called me and said, Uncle Malcolm, you've got a death threat on the Internet. I went, what? What moron is that? Don't they know we're actors? We just do what we're paid to do. Yeah. Anyway, no, they were death threats. So I had these retired police officers come with me to New York and wait outside the hotel in the corridor and then outside the hotel. They took it really seriously.
40:33I bet.
40:34Rich Eisen:Do you have a good story from Entourage? You want to lay on us at all in your years of Entourage? Well, I love that show. I mean, I was always butting heads with Piven. Yeah, in real life you're talking about. A ridiculous character, you know, just too full of himself by half. Brilliant in the part. But, you know, be a little magnanimous. The other one was Caruso. Those two, I got both of them. Yay. I mean, Jesus Christ. And, you know. David Caruso you're referring to? Yeah, of course. So I got a call from Rob Zombie who had done, you know, those two movies with. Not, oh, God. Halloween. Halloween, yeah.
41:22And my mind's going from it. Oh, good. So, yeah. So he said, Malcolm, would you, look, I'm trying to get away from the horror thing. would you do this TV show with me? And I went, yeah, of course. What is it? He goes, CSI. And I went, ah, okay. Yeah, okay. Yeah, that's a good show, right? He goes, I said, which one? Knowing. Because of reputations, you know, go before. And he went, Miami and my heart sank. And I went, okay, sure. So, you know, they only shoot for four or five days or something. and I was two days late coming in. I was on the third day. I was playing this corrupt lawyer or something.
42:07I don't know. And Rob met me in the parking lot. And he goes, look, I want to apologize right now. This guy is an absolute. I went, you are kidding. He goes, I said, don't worry about me, Rob, because, hey, I can deal with that guy. So the first scene, I swan in a limo. The window goes down. I have dialogue with him. He's on his phone texting. And I went, cut, stop. Okay, move the actor off there. Can you put a piece of tape on the camera box? And could somebody just read out the dialogue? I don't need the actor. I don't want him there. It's disruptive. Okay, let's go. Here we go. and so he walked off in a huff i got the shot and then the next day i had a big scene with him and um so he had to come into my office and um interrogate me yeah and rob said never say this to an actor he goes malcolm just be on the phone okay hello yes what are you wearing come on no are you serious i love it yeah yeah well are we good he comes in and stands out yeah no what get off the phone i totally ignited no no his camera's on me i'm going on and then i go oh get off the phone he screams again and he didn't exactly say it that way And I said, I think I've got a disgruntled customer.
43:50I said, I'll see you later. Quick. And steam coming out of his ears. It was hilarious. And they kept it in the show. Ladies and gentlemen, Malcolm McDowell, Talent Stories.
44:05Rich Eisen:The Last Train of Fortune available now in select theaters and will be available on digital November the 6th. And for those in the Los Angeles area from September 25th to the 27th in Gardenia, you're going to host a rare live appearance of a clockwork orange. Yes. Awesome. That is going to be must. A few tickets left, right, Dave? Yep. That's right. On September 25th. But pretty full. It'll be fun. I always have fun doing that. Get in right now. Thanks for coming here. Rich, thank you. Right back at you. Malcolm McDowell, everybody here on the Rich Eisen Show. Back to wrapping us up.
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47:15Rich Eisen:How's it going? What's going on? Hey, so I just wanted to talk about the Jets. And, you know, it breaks my heart earlier that, you know, you said the Lions are going to restore the roar this Sunday. But deep down, I know you're still cheering for the Jets. And Brocklin said the other day that they're feeling a little frisky. You know, we tied the Packers going into overtime, playing out of gas, beat the Titans pretty convincingly, which, you know, is what good teams do. They beat bad teams consistently. And I think you know as well as I do, the Jets don't do that very often, so I think it's time to get a little delusional.
47:43Rich Eisen:And, you know, I know we've been playing for 2027 since 2025, but I don't know if I should be cheering for the Jets to win games right now or if I should be cheering for the Archer Dad Bowl. Man, that is the ultimate conundrum, that the Jets always, when they need the quarterback of their future, win too many games to get them. At some point, they're going to win games, and somebody's going to drop to them in the draft, and it's going to hit. I just don't know if I'll be on this planet for something like that. You know what I mean? I don't have the answer to it, Nathan, but hang in there in West Virginia, home collegiately of their current quarterback, Gino Smith, everybody.
48:18Rich Eisen:That's right. I don't know if that's the connection. Again, I would have had more time if we didn't hear Malcolm talk about his tenure on CSI Miami. Yeah! That was something. That was something. We're back to wrap this show on Disney+. Take you to the weekend in a moment. Thanks for listening to the Rich Eisen Show podcast. You can watch and listen to the Rich Eisen Show live weekdays from noon to 3 Eastern on ESPN Radio, Disney +, and on the ESPN app. The Rich Eisen Show, the podcast.
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Rich and the guys react to the NFL handing out TD celebration fines to Bengals WR Ja’Marr Chase, Niners FB Kyle Juszczyk, and Cowboys TE Jake Ferguson, and to the 100% awesome celebration by White Sox slugger Munetaka Murakami after Chicago clinched a spot in the MLB playoffs.
Actor Malcolm McDowell joins Rich in-studio to promote his new ‘The Last Train to Fortune’ western, and shares some great stories about making ‘A Clockwork Orange’ with Stanley Kubrick, getting hounded by ‘Star Trek’ fans while attending a Rolling Stones concert in Las Vegas with William Shatner, dining with legendary ‘Citizen Kane’ director Orson Welles and more in a round of ‘Celebrity True or False’ and reveals why working with Jeremy Piven on ‘Entourage’ and David Caruso on ‘CSI: Miami’ will NOT go down as career highlights for him.
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