Hour 3: Texans-Seahawks Reactions, plus Tupac Shakur Biographer Jeff Pearlman

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2:53Rich Eisen:That's great. I like that idea. I love that idea. That's great. So does that mean we need to hire a keeper of the plaque? Yes. I mean, it's slightly less valuable than the cup itself. Liz is the keeper of everything. Liz can be a keeper of the plaque. Oh my God. That would mean she'd have to travel with you wherever you take it. You know she won't want to do that. Without Liz, we would know how to tie her on shoes. Well, that's not true. Mike has Velcro. That's good one. I don't bring slip-ons today. No, I don't have Dunkle anymore. Good one, everybody. The Bengals signed somebody? No. That's my shoes.

3:28Rich Eisen:That's normally what we play whenever the Bengals sign it. Blackassants, baby. Blackassants. Oh, yeah. Okay, man. Blackassants. Oh, that's who the Jets are taking on. Oh, yeah. Oh, God. It'll be Tarod Taylor versus. Hello, 0-8. Stop. Yeah, sure. Why not? Let's go to Colby in Georgia. We were just talking about a poor Jet fan. It was a teenager. saying he hates the Jets, but he was born into it. This is a giant fan. Colby, how old are you there in Georgia? I'm 14 years old. All right, Colby. Is there no school today in Georgia? Colby? I'm not fair. I'm not schooled. Oh, you're in school right now?

4:09Rich Eisen:That's Colby, bro. He can use his phone. I'm like your son, Rich. Right now? I'm not fair. Say that again? No, I'm not fair. School only today. Okay, school's over. What's on your mind, Colby? I wanted to say that Kim Scadabo right now is really looking like he could be like an MVP compensation. No, no, no. Sorry. I'm at rookie of the year. Definitely offensive. The way, like, his style of running, like, especially when he's done against the Eagles, like, it's amazing what he's doing at now. Are you a Giant fan in Georgia? 14 years old, Colby? I'm not saying I'm an Dolphins fan, but I can't talk about them right now.

4:48Rich Eisen:Oh, Colby. Did you see the video of that young man who was probably about 14 years old himself saying he hates the Jets, but he was born into it? Yes, sir. Okay. So you're a Dolphin fan who just now loves Scadaboo, is what you're saying? Oh, yeah. Okay. Very good. I'm a big Scadaboo fan. All right. So hold on a second. What about Quinchon Judkins being offensive rookie of the year? What about him? What about Jackson Dart? What? What about him? I mean, Jackson Dart is already looking like he could. Quinchon Judkins. Quinchon Judkins and Jackson Dart. definitely in the conversation, but I think it's going to be Cam Scott about.

5:21Rich Eisen:Colby, who's that? Whose voice am I hearing other than yours? Who is that? That's my brother, Riley. Riley? How old is Riley? He's 11. Okay. I like it. Colby and Riley coming here. You guys should have your own podcast, Colby. What do you think? I mean, maybe. Colby, do you play football? Yes, sir. What position? I play cornerback. Okay. Listen, all I know is that Scadaboo is a great guy to be a fan of, but if you're playing football, just see what you hit. That's all I'm asking. Keep your head up. Just keep your head up. Bend it, you know, dip at the hips. Don't bend. Don't lead with the hips.

6:05Rich Eisen:Colby, say hi to your brother Riley for me, okay? Okay. Okay, thank you. Call back. That was great. Call back. Okay, Youth of America. Scadaboo, again, the odds are really confusing me lately. This guy who has the seventh best rookie of the year odds. He's behind Ashton Gentry and Ted McMillan, who have done nothing. Jackson Dart is your favorite. Even odds. Listen, Gentry. He's destroying my fantasy team. Well, I know that, but he still has over 500 yards of offense that he's done. Three rushing touchdown games this season. Jonathan Taylor week three at Tennessee. Jonathan Taylor week five against Vegas.

6:45Rich Eisen:Yeah. Cam Scadaboo week six against Philadelphia. Quinn Sean Judkins week seven against Miami. And then Jonathan Taylor week seven at Los Angeles. That's it. That's your list. 844-204-Rich is the number to know. What a delightful chat with Colby. And how about Riley in the background? Jonathan Taylor, Offensive Player of the Year. There's no question about it. Because as you know, that's the MVP award for non-quarterbacks. Right. As I just christened it. The other running backs, four MVPs this century were running backs. Last one was Adrian Peterson in 2012. LaDainian Tomlinson in 06. Sean Alexander the year before.

7:26Rich Eisen:And Marshall Falk started off the century with one in 2000. 844-204-RICH, number to dial. Hey, listen, wasn't pretty for the Seattle Seahawks. They're the first team to win a game with 10 or more penalties and a negative three or worse turnover margin. and a sub-25 % third-down conversion rate since at least 1991. And when you see a stat like that, that's because the researchers are like, we're done going further back.

7:53Rich Eisen:Since 1991, including the playoffs, teams that had those dynamics in a single game were 0-49. So it's not pretty for what the Seahawks did last night, but I'll tell you what's pretty. Jackson Smith and Jigba is unbelievable. This guy is like the new 7-11, right? Dude, always open, man. And eight receptions. He does wear number 11, doesn't he? Sure does. And he scores seven points, doesn't he? Six. Well, six, seven, right? One of those things. Isn't that what the kids do these days? Look at me. Six, seven. I don't get it. I need that explained to me. Okay. Eight receptions, 123 yards, and another touchdown.

8:34Rich Eisen:Fourth most receiving yards in a Monday night football game by a Seahawks player. The others are named Largent, Rice, and Metcalf. He's got five games now with 100 receiving yards this season. That's the most in the NFL. Tied for second in a season in Seahawks history. One behind Steve Largent's sixth 100-yard game season in 1979. He's unbelievable. In the Super Bowl era, with 75 or more receiving yards in each of his first seven games of the season, Jackson Smith and Jigba is the youngest ever to do it at age 23. He and Sam Darnold have a connection. and Charbonnet is running it, Kenneth Walker can move it, and the defense can hit you.

9:17Rich Eisen:And they're 5-2, and everyone's sleeping on them. Quite frankly. Everyone's sleeping on them. We may be one of them, too. I mean, I just said they were the most complete team in the West. No, I know you said that in Overreaction Monday. Do you really believe it? Do you really think they're the most complete team in the NFC West? I think we're sleeping on them a little bit. Sam Darnold is throwing a little too many interceptions for my liking to consider them as a possible Super Bowl team right now. But they allowed fewer than 90 rush yards in each of the last six games. The issue is here is...

9:51Rich Eisen:Can we give Ken Walker the ball too? I think they like giving it to both of them. And they don't care. They don't care about your fantasy team. I get it. They do not care about Kenneth Walker fantasy team owners. They just don't. Darnold's now 19-5 as a starter since 2004. four the only ones better are Mahomes at 19 and four and Goff at 20 Goff at 20 and four he wins football games the defense is lights out and all they got to do is just get a couple of touchdowns the question is is like if if is isn't Jig we're going to do it every game right what if he you know has a hammy or a little knee sprain one week that then who good question I don't think I firmly believe that Cooper Cup is still that dude, Torrey Horton's still a rookie Bobo let's not sleep on Bobo Aroyo and Barner did you just go high register I did go a little high register on the tight ends but they're rookies they're 5-2 man and you are what you are and they're on a bye week and then they come out they're at Washington on a Sunday night home for Arizona and then here okay the rams that's it rubber's gonna meet the road they finish up at san francisco they started the season at home watching brock purdy beat them with jake tongas with pretty much at the final gun you know um so you know i i i think the seahawks are a playoff team the way that we're looking at remember they won 10 games last year and didn't make it right so um defensively they covered up for some offensive issues.

11:30Rich Eisen:And I'll just tell you the Houston Texans. I don't know the way through here. I don't know the way through here because they're starting Woody Marks, Nick Chubb, and Woody Marks are their running game. They keep on deactivating Damian Pierce, who went from a couple years ago as the workhorse to they don't even dress him now. I don't know. Joe Mixon, they keep talking. I don't think he's returning. I don't know where he is, but boy, would it be helpful if they could just, because certainly when the defense that they have, you know, Will Anderson sacking Darnold in the end zone and then recovering it himself, their defense is really good.

12:12Rich Eisen:And if they are, like, they've got a defensive-minded head coach and they've got a defense that can play, they need an attack where they can run it 25, 30 times. Woody Marks had a little bit of a juice, but they just don't give him the ball enough. The line isn't good enough. The line isn't good enough, maybe. Nico Collins was dropping balls last night. It doesn't help that Christian Kirk can't stay healthy. And Tank Dell, still, I mean, one of the craziest things is to put somebody who's basically like five foot nothing and weighs 100 pounds soaking wet on a goal line play where he breaks his – that was two years ago.

12:49Rich Eisen:That was two years ago. The last shot caught a touchdown. In Kansas City. Didn't he score on that play? And it was dreadful what happened. Correct. outside of scoring. And, you know, 100 % C.J. Stroud is in need of some protection up front. It definitely seems to be affecting his game. Nico Collins got concussed last night. They got the Niners coming in next week. And the Colts are way ahead of the game as they enter week eight. This is a team coming off of a bye. and they looked like that last night. And you could sit here and say Seattle's a tough place to play. Understand that's more long history.

13:35Rich Eisen:This year, the Seahawks have already lost there twice. San Francisco in division. The Bucs in conference. Texans coming off of a bye week should be healthy and going up there and feeling good about themselves. And they just don't, on offense, they just don't have it. They do not have it right now. And I don't know where they're going to get it. Tyler Lockett is getting released this week would you be all over him if you're the Houston Texans I think you have to keep all possibilities open don't you think somebody because they're running out a couple of rookies you know after Nico and Kirk right they don't I know they got that kid Higgins who's totally different than like Tez Johnson but Tez Johnson's doing things that the Texans could use they don't have it Schultz is kind of their number two pass catcher right now.

14:26Rich Eisen:My word, he was number one last night on the call sheet so if I'm the Texans I am genuinely concerned because the run game's not there the protection's not there for Stroud who looks different again but last year he did in the regular season and they wound up being in the final four of the AFC anyway but I don't know about this year about even making the playoffs at all because they are just not, you know if they make the playoffs it'll be as a wild card and if they do that maybe it'll be the first time on wild card weekend they're not the first game that's true come on rich you know better yeah i don't know i never know maybe the techs are gonna probably maybe maybe the cults we'll give the alex are we penciling in the cults right now for saturday no no for saturday first I don't think so.

15:17Rich Eisen:It depends on who they might face. It feels like we're penciling them in. What if it's Colts Patriots? They're not going to stick you guys in an early window. What if it's Colts Bills? I'm throwing it out there, meaning the Patriots win the division. I'm just putting the red meat out there for you. What if the Colts have the bye? They're not playing for first Saturday. They could have got the bye. Now it'll be the first time where the bye team has to play Saturday. wild card weekend. Colts, you have to play Saturday. New rules. The AFC South must have the first slide. Wait a minute. The AFC South has the number one overall seat in the AFC?

15:53Rich Eisen:It does not compute. You see smoke coming out of the ears of everybody in the front office of the NFL? Like, what is this all about? It's possible. George Kittle was a guest on No Contest Wrestling, sir. This was an O'Shea Jackson Jr. booking, was it? Well, no. It was he and I. We were sitting around talking about like, you know, just you and Kittle. No. Oh, Shay and I were talking a couple of weeks ago about just like getting more views and how we can expand the pod. And I, you know, I'm like, well, obviously like our football videos do the best here on this show. So I'm like, we need to kind of dip our toe in there and that, and both of us at the same time, we're like, all right, George Kittle.

16:34Rich Eisen:And Shay was like, I think I can get his number. So he worked on getting his number. He hit him up a couple of times. By the way, you know, I have Kittle's number too. I get it. You know, just reach out to me since, you know, I mean, I'm part of the process. And I actually put my thumb on the scale prior to the taping, sending you guys a, you know, a text to say, ask him some football questions, please. Now, while we got the muscles. Yes. You know. Respectfully, and I appreciate it, but we were going to have to do that. Is what you're saying? No, TJ. Okay, very good. TJ's dying over there. You're getting some water over there.

17:08Rich Eisen:actually perfect time to throw to the soundbite because i did say hey you know ask him some football questions as well of course because i mean the wrestling world already picks up what you guys talk about right and i i just knew that if you ask him a football question then hey maybe that gets picked up and says on no contest wrestling i like the way you think that's the way i think so i just you know i just didn't think o'shea would just walk in through the front door the way i mean i think that maybe you should have known better okay roll it now our dude rich eisen wants me to ask you about your quarterback which one i got two right now i need no no we need he wants to know about purdy man how's everything looking with him how's he doing uh how i understand it is just like with the turf's toe stuff right um it's basically like if you trigger it at all before it's like healed i think he it's like a square like you just back up in the recovery process so uh my thing what i just tell brock like just get to where you feel fantastic and then play football again like we know what brock can do we're excited to see brock purdy play football i just don't want him to come back too soon and then it goes and the same thing happens like when he played against jacksonville then he's out for a couple more weeks because brock's a phenomenal football player that is the best orchestrator of this offense that i've ever seen uh what kyle shanahan has done he's just so efficient at it and so i just want him to be at his at 100 % before he tries to take the field again.

18:34Rich Eisen:And I think he's aware of that, and I think he's going to do a good job with his recovery, and he'll come back when he feels like he's ready. Tell us about how Matt Jones is out there, man. He's holding the fort down. My favorite thing about Matt Jones is that he has the personality of the tight end. Oh, really? He is goofy. He likes to have a good time. He's friends with every single position. He can talk to anybody. And then you see him in walkthroughs, he's kind of goofy. And then the second he gets to practice for a game rep, everything is just so locked in and dialed he brings good joy brings good vibes to the huddle and then like like i said when we're out there like this is my first time playing with mac jones and like he still has fun but he's just so dialed and he's so calm like he just calls the play goes yeah yeah go do that i'm like that's sick sounds good i'll see you after the play in the huddle again he's just so calm and cool so it's been very nice to uh be in a huddle with that awesome great he's got two quarterbacks did you pick up on that so you want to keep on pounding this table I think there's some real conversation to be had.

19:33Rich Eisen:There isn't. Brock Purdy's healthy. He's the starting quarterback of this team. You already just heard him. He said he's the greatest orchestrator of this offense he's ever seen. He did. And he's been in this offense for almost 10 years, right? And we also talked, you know, we talked a lot about his injury. We talked about McCaffrey. We had a big discussion about turf toe. Okay. With George, he told us what God's favorite play was, according to a play that McCaffrey ran. and we got a lot of good stuff. And then halfway through, he realized he was talking to a Rams fan and a Cowboys fan and we wanted to end the interview, but he stayed professional and kept rolling.

20:08Rich Eisen:And all of his wrestling takes were as entertaining as you had hoped? Absolutely. It was, George, yeah. You know, I put on Twitter a little bit ago, I'm like, I can't believe after Dwight Clark ruined my childhood that I actually like a Niners tight end, man. He's as great as they could. Yeah, he's everything you'd want him to be. Super cool guy. He, O'Shea, and I, we made a pact between the three of us. is? Well, WrestleMania next year, well, the year after next, is going to be in Saudi Arabia. So I just made a suggestion that if one of us is able to go, then we all should make a pact that we go together.

20:41Rich Eisen:So we're kind of hoping somebody invites - In 2027? Yeah. We're kind of hoping somebody invites George. Oh, okay. I don't know, man. I mean, keep growing No Contest Wrestling. You're going to - Well, I mean, if that's a PLE on ESPN, maybe you'll be broadcasting from Riyadh or whatever it is. From your lips to God's lips. Hey, man, you did a great job before Wrestle Palooza. Yeah. Let's go. I still can't believe I'm sitting at an ESPN desk. I was tripped out. These are all dreams that are reality, sir. Yeah, true that. Keep it up. See, from now on, I'm not going to give you any suggestions or just let you go.

21:16Rich Eisen:Stop it. I'm sorry. I mean, I can't turn it off, TJ. I'm just making sure everybody's successful. We appreciate it. Oh, do you really? I see. Do you? Do you? Thank you. The best thing about us, though, is it's about us. I forgot about that. Thanks, Russ. ESPN Radio is presented by Progressive Insurance. Keep your career moving forward with growth opportunities, great pay, and benefits, and one of the country's top workplaces. Go to careers.progressive.com and apply today. A new book on the life and times of Tupac Shakur by one of our favorites, Jeff Perlman. We'll talk about the Cowboys and the Lakers and more with him.

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23:28Rich Eisen:my radio audience is back here on espn radio presented by progressive insurance only god can judge me the many lives of tupac shakur from a man who's brought you books on multiple dynasties of the los angeles lakers and the dallas cowboys and also the life and myth of bo jackson called the last folk hero. The author, Jeff Perlman is back here on the program. Um, why this book, why did you choose Tupac Shakur as your latest subject for your writing? Well, you know, all my books have been sports. My career has been sports. Correct. I've always been fascinated by Tupac. And for years I was waiting for someone to write the Tupac book I wanted to read.

24:06I mean, literally for years. And I acknowledge I'm a very unusual person to write a Tupac book. I'm a sports writer. I'm a white guy from rural New York. Like it's not who you would think would write a Tupac book but i just kept waiting and waiting and waiting and i always thought like write the book that you want to read right write the book that you want to read and i just if i dive in and i interview 600 people and i retrace his steps maybe that's the tupac book i would want to read so i just figured i'd like to break from sports do something different yes why not tupac what were

24:35Rich Eisen:you curious about that you wanted to learn about the most was it his manner of of death or was it his life his upbringing like what was it i feel like what most people know about tupac are the base level things all right thug life uh i get around you know uh death row i just saw knowing that his mom had been a black panther fanny shakur knowing that he was raised with the ethos of a black panther not really knowing the depths of his poverty but knowing he went through something yes i just really wanted to dive in and see what and one of the best things about this job i'm sure feel this way too like we get to sit and ask people questions that most people wouldn't ask we can i can sit he lived in marin city there were a lot during the crack epidemic of of in america and i was able to go to marin city and literally sit in a car with the mean crack dealer from marin city back in that time and say i don't know your world i'm from rural new york my dad stanley was an accountant i knew i was going to college but no one has ever been more fascinated to know what you went through and what it was like to deal crack in marin city back in the 90s i just i just love that stuff i do i love that stuff so much well i mean where did you encounter some people who didn't want to talk to you sure like who i mean um i didn't get dr dre or snoop dog but they're kind of hard to get anyway i did find most people the vast majority classmates people who worked with them in music even death row employees were pretty open about talking and And I had two things going for me actually.

26:04Number one, Winning Time gave me some cred where I would just say, you know, I wrote this book that became, oh, Winning Time, I love Winning Time. On HBO. Yeah, and that helped a lot. It did. Number two, I had a breakthrough very early on. I think you probably read it if you've read it. Where there's a song he wrote called Brenda's Got a Baby. Oh, tell this story, please. Yeah. The song Brenda's Got a Baby came out for his first album, Tupacalypse. Now, and Tupac before that came out was working on the movie Juice. And he's in New York filming Juice. and one day he every day at his trailer he gets a new york daily news he was red reading the newspapers his mom would read him the newspapers his kid had to quiz him on it and there's an article called cries in the night and it's about a 12 year old girl in the noble drew ali public housing in brooklyn who was raped by a cousin didn't tell anyone delivered the baby on the bathroom floor wrapped the baby in an odd lot plastic bag open the trash chute threw the baby down the trash chute just getting rid of the baby it's the day the trash compactor is supposed to go off and someone downstairs hears the baby crying and i interviewed the guy who found the baby and he remembered about seeing the baby and the baby had a little blood on blood so this the baby's taking the hospital there's an article in the daily news about it tupac reads it he says to omar epps his co-star i'm gonna go i'm just gonna go write something and he writes his song inspired by brenda's got a baby brenda's got a baby brenda's barely got a brain a damn shame the girl can hardly see about her name it's great great writing for a young rapper and I was always actually Tupac had a an associate manager confidant named Leila Steinberg who I interviewed for this book and Leila said to me early on I've always been wondered what happened to the baby if that was even real so I work with the genealogist named Michelle Suley who's an amazing genealogist and I said to her it would be amazing if we could find the baby from Brenda's got a baby and she said give me a couple give me a couple days one day she gives me a number and she goes I think this is him and she gave me a name Davon Hodge and I text his number because nobody answers phones anymore and it was the crudest out of nowhere text ever hey my name is Jeff Perlman I'm a longtime writer I'm working on a two-block book I attach the article and I say by any chance are you the baby in this article mm-hmm and he writes back holy crap let me call you tomorrow two days later I'm in Las Vegas at a Starbucks sitting with Davon Hodge basically a couple years he was adopted after this happened his parents moved to las vegas he was raised much of his life life in vegas his adoptive parents died a few years ago he does an ancestry.com search all these names come back noble drew ali public housing brooklyn new york he reaches out to them they're like holy crap holy crap we've been looking for you for years he goes there he has this beautiful reunion people are hugging him there's food all these relatives he never knew and they say do you uh do you like tupac he's like yeah i love tupac like do you know the song brenda's got a baby of course we think that's you so he has this moment where he's like this holy crap moment but he hasn't seen his mom since he was wee little because she threw him down the trash heap and vanished i said to michelle suley the genealogist of the gods find the mom can we find the mom give me a few days she has a number and she reaches out to this woman She's texting back and forth basically and then she calls her and she said I'm working with this writer Jeff Perlman about a book about Tupac.

29:22Did you have a baby when you were 12? She starts screaming Do you know where my baby is do you have any idea? Oh my god, I've been looking for my baby for decades Do you know where she's crying and screaming? And Michelle says yeah, we were in touch with him. She goes oh my god. Oh my god. Oh my god I need to get home. I need to get home. I live in Newark, New Jersey. I need to get home. Well, where are you? i'm at a red hot chili peppers concert oh where's the concert it's in las vegas and they meet that

29:51Rich Eisen:night and reunite yeah and this is the story by the way in the introduction of the book yeah this is not in the body of the book it's the way the book starts and it is amazing thanks and you've put them together yeah you found them both and put them together and if tupac had never really read in the new york daily news about it and said you know what i'm gonna go write something and he's so brilliant that he's able to just step away from the set and just tell Omar Epps, hold on a second, if he didn't do that, these people would never have met and you were the one who put them back together. Unbelievable.