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23:45Rich Eisen:Mike Florio here on The Rich Eisen Show. turning the page best I can here. There's no artful way to do it. Now that we are a week into National Football League training camp, Mike Florio, what is the item that's at the top of your list that you think will have the most impactful win loss result in the playing season that does start a little over a month from now? I mean, to answer your question, literally, the one thing that we're all monitoring with the players on our favorite teams, the players on our fantasy teams, and you never know when that notification is going to come across your phone that someone suffered a serious injury.

24:31We're in that zone where you're kind of holding your breath for news that your favorite player is going to be out for the year. And who's been carted off here and who's been carted off there and how bad is the injury? The Cowboys had a scare yesterday with Tyler Guyton. at first they thought he had a torn ACL it turns out it's a fracture that'll keep him out four to six weeks but that will impact the standings and that's the thing we spend seven months talking about what could happen what will happen what may happen who's closed the gap on whom who are the super bowl candidates but the one thing that we don't talk about because we don't know who it's going to happen to when it's going to happen to them and how long they're going to be out but we know it's going to happen people are going to get injured and one injury changes everything one week one injury just completely potentially reverses a team's fortunes for that season look at the 2008 patriots that lightning strike bernard pollard low hit on tom brady he's out for the year and even though they went 11 and 5 they didn't make it to the playoffs and that was the first game after the loss to the giants in super bowl 42 that would have been the perfect 19 and 0 season so anytime any place there can be an injury that changes everything and i think that if you're covering the NFL, if you're paying attention to the NFL, that is the thing you're kind of holding your breath for as training camp becomes joint practices, becomes preseason games, and we work up until week one when we know there's going to be that list after every weekend of games of guys are going to be out one week, one month, or the rest of the year.

26:00Rich Eisen:And then in terms of holdouts, right, one ended in Cincinnati, and it was the rookie Shamar Stewart. where we've been talking for weeks about what can be done to bridge the gap, what was done to bridge the gap. Well, it was something, Rich, that could have been done a long time ago. And this is basic negotiation. Yeah. When you come to Shamar Stewart and say, we want to use language that will void your guarantees, that is different from the language we used on last year's first round pick, Amarius Mims, different from the language we used just a few months ago with Jamar Chase and T. Higgins. We've got new language we're going to use, and you're the guinea pig.

26:39You're the one that's going to have this. Oh, and we're not offering you any other concession in order to get you to do this. Ultimately, what do they do? They offered a concession. They paid more of his signing bonus up front than they otherwise have paid to first-round draft picks. That was it. That's all it took. A simple little face-saving quid pro quo. But there's a stubbornness to the Bengals, and it's rooted to a certain extent in money. but I think the deeper issue, Rich, is power. The team wants the players to understand who's in charge. We own the machine. You are just a piece in the machine who inevitably will be removed and replaced with someone else.

27:17The machine will survive for decades, if not centuries beyond your existence. That is the message. So we are not bending to you. You will bend to us. And that's why I think the pressure, the urgency to get a deal done that comes from a normal holdout isn't going to affect the Bengals. They don't care. Hey, Trey Hendrickson, you want to pay us 50 grand a day to hold out of training camp? Fine, we'll take your money. Hey, you want to give up your game checks of nearly a million dollars a week? Fine, we'll keep your money. We don't care. We're not going to panic. We're not going to blink. You stay home until you decide to show up.

27:55And that's why I said back in June, Rich, before mandatory minicamp, if he goes down this path of staying away, he's potentially going to be this year's Sasan Reddick, who missed everything, missed regular season games. And then there was some awkward face-saving deal when he showed up that really didn't give him anything close to what he'd lost. And by the end of the day, you lose millions. And what do you prove? What do you ultimately prove if you're Trey Hendrickson? So who knows where that stands? But my guess is they are not nervous because they ultimately don't care. They'd rather have the message sent to the player than have the player in training camp getting ready for the season.

28:35Rich Eisen:Mike Florio of Pro Football Talk, the host of PFT Live on Peacock, which is something you can get right here on Roku, right here on the Rich Eisen Show. I'd like you to interpret Stephen Jones' comments for me, Mike Florio. This was Stephen Jones over the weekend when he was asked about the pay Micah chants that were coming from the stands of the Cowboys faithful towards Jerry Jones in Oxnard. He was Stephen Jones in that regard. Did you hear the fans yelling, pay Micah, yesterday? And what do you think when you hear that? Doesn't change anything. I mean, we want to pay Micah too. He's got to want to be paid.

29:20Rich Eisen:What does that mean, do you think, Micah? Why will you not take our offer, our lowball offer that doesn't properly value your overall contributions to the team. Look, that's the problem. They're not offering him enough. Yeah, he has to want to be paid, i.e. he has to want to take our substandard offer. And this is why, Rich, I'm a firm believer he should have held out. He should have stayed away. And I think at some point he just needs to walk out. Even though there is significant risk, once you're away for five days, they can shut you down for the rest of the year. You play for no one and you don't get paid.

29:54They'd be beyond stupid to do that to one of their best players. perhaps their most talented player ever, as Jerry Jones said that same day. But I think this is just a manifestation of the Cowboys' habit of dragging their feet and lowballing the player and waiting until the last possible minute. And because he didn't hold out, as I told you last week, my prediction is he's going to end up playing for$24 million this year, and they're going to do it again next year when they apply the exclusive franchise tag to him. That they'll happily pay him$24 million this year, just like they happily paid him$3 million last year.

30:27that's the other side of this if you're going to focus on counting the beans you got michael parsons for two years at a combined salary of 27 million dollars that is a good deal if you're the cowboys yeah we're eventually gonna have to pay him more but we got him for two years at 27 million total and we'll take it i feel like at some level that is motivating them to kick this can as long

30:49Rich Eisen:as they can into the future we had clarence hill who's been covering the cowboys longer than anybody else for a beat writer uh currently on the cowboys beat mike about the uh the dance if you will that's been going on between the cowboys the joneses and uh and micah parsons he said that there was a handshake agreement between jerry and micah back in the spring and micah said uh call my agent and the cowboys the joneses have yet to do that and i heard that comment and i thought to myself that Micah's got to want to be paid had to do with maybe, you know, he shook a hand over it back in March. We're not calling his agent.

31:36Rich Eisen:He's got to want to be paid. That's the way I kind of took it. I guess there's many different ways one can take it. Well, and the way that you took it, the only problem is it's a violation of the CBA. No deal is enforceable until it is reduced to writing and negotiated by the representative certified by the NFL Players Association. And if a player is represented by an agent, the commissioner is prohibited from approving any contract that has not been negotiated and signed by the agent. So whatever the Cowboys are trying to do, and yeah, they'd love to deal directly with the player and they'd love to appeal.

32:15And they've had this in the past. Don't demand top dollar from us. you'll make all sorts of extra money as a player on the Cowboys in endorsement deals. And you'll have a future in broadcasting as a former Cowboy. They tried that with Ezekiel Elliott. They tried it with Dak Prescott. And both of those guys said, no, we're not going to do that. We want what we are entitled to as football players. So handshake deals are worthless. They're not worth the paper they're not printed on. At some point, you've got to deal with the agent. And it's asinine for the Cowboys, for the Joneses, to think that, well, we had a handshake deal with Micah, and he just needs to come sign it.

32:57They have to deal with his agent, or there's nothing to sign.

33:00Rich Eisen:Mike Florio, creator, editor-in-chief of Pro Football Talk here on the Rich Eisen Show. You've got to think Pickett being out for a week with a hamstring injury kind of hamstrings his ability to win this Cleveland job. Is that a safe assumption to make? Well, I think so. Rich, to quote Juju Smith-Schuster, the Browns is the Browns. And it's almost like they're trying to do the dumbest things they can do. They never should have drafted Shadur Sanders after they drafted Dillian Gabriel. You don't bring four quarterbacks to training camp and expect all of them to compete on an even playing field.

33:38So you're going to do something with one of them at some point. And I feel like they're just waiting to trade one of them. I thought they'd maybe try to trade Kenny Pickett before camp even opened. Now he's injured and it gives the younger guys more reps and more opportunities. So the Browns can begin to figure out what they are going to be and what they could be as players in the NFL. And hovering over all of this is the fact that they have the Jaguars first round pick next year. And if the Browns are bad this year, it'll be a high first round pick of their own. And they're going to be in position to try to draft somebody next year.

34:09If Arch Manning comes out, Colin Coward has already beaten that drum of a possibility of Arch Manning and Nick Saban in Cleveland. So, you know, when with the Browns, I put nothing past owner Jimmy Haslam. He gets what he wants and the people who work for him do what he wants. So I think it will help the other guys and it will hurt Kenny Pickett and it may increase the likelihood that he'll be the first man out at some point. Not in November. I'd like to think by the time the roster is set at 53, they'll have three quarterbacks, not four. Because if you have four, that's one less spot you have for all the other positions where you have needs when it's time to put a team together and function on game days and it's kind of crazy mike the first two picks in the

34:52Rich Eisen:draft this past year in green bay quarterback first overall and then second overall is uh a player who can give you 100 snaps potentially in a game in the national football league in 2025 and is the reigning Heisman Trophy winner, and we don't hear anything about Cam Ward or Travis Hunter nationally. Is that because they're in the south, in the sleepy football hamlets of Nashville and Jacksonville, right? Is that what it is? Because otherwise, I mean, this is Cam Ward, and if Travis Hunter plays both sides of the football week one, right, and Cam Ward is starting week one, And normally that's the sort of stuff that would be all over the place.

35:40Rich Eisen:If you think about it. You're absolutely right. And look, Cam Ward has the potential to be special. You watch some of his film, you watch him throw him the football, that ball comes out fast and it zips. And when he did rookie minicamp, all of his new receivers, and they drafted more than a few of them, their comments were like, man, this ball comes out different. When you see things like that, that's an indication that this quarterback is an eye opener. This guy is different. This guy is unlike anything these players have ever seen in their lives. and they have to adjust their habit of catching the ball to the fact that this ball is coming in hotter than it usually is.

36:14So the Titans could be in very good hands with Cam Ward. He's got an intensity to him. He's got a leadership quality to him. He's got a commitment to the game that mirrors some of the all-time greats already. Now, how he plays when it's time to go out and play, let's see. But I think there's potential there for Cam Ward to be great. And with Travis Hunter, we've never seen anything like it. And yes, it's the Jaguars and the Jaguars are easily ignored. And it's all going to come down to are they successful? New coach, new GM, a lot of new with the Jaguars. And we'll see. But that Titans-Jaguars rivalry is more interesting than it's ever been.

36:52It's impossible for it to be less interesting than it's ever been. But yeah, this takes a couple of teams that, and I know the fans of the two teams get involved because they do have fans. They get upset when we say, you know, these are boring teams, but somebody's got to be the most boring team in the NFL. And the Jaguars and the Titans are in competition for that.

37:12Rich Eisen:I mean, Jaguars open at home for Carolina and Tennessee's at Denver. And again, Denver is a fascinating team to me, man. You know, Bo Nix year two, he would have been offensive rookie of the year if not for Jaden Daniels. And I know that's like, you know, yeah, my grandma had wheels. She'd be a wagon, but you know, um, Denver, Sean Payton, honestly, they dead capped Russell Wilson to the largest dead cap in history. And they're, would you call the Broncos a Super Bowl contender coming into this year, Mike? Yes. You know, Aaron Rodgers said last week, there are usually six to eight serious Super Bowl contenders, maybe 10 to 12.

37:53And he sees the Steelers as one of the 12. And I started putting a list together and I'm sorry, the Steelers are not one of the 12. because to be one of the 12, they're going to have to elbow out the Broncos. And the Broncos are legit. The AFC West is scary. It's the best collection of coaching talent top to bottom that any division has ever had team by team. You know, the NFC East had some great coaches in the 80s, but they also had the Cardinals. So, you know, all due respect to the then St. Louis Cardinals, but that's just the reality. Four teams, this division, the four coaches, the talent they have, the Raiders the poor Raiders if they were in any other division they they'd maybe be a wild card contender but the Broncos the Chargers the Chiefs I think the Broncos are legitimate the defense is better than it was last year they didn't lose Vance Joseph to a head coaching job which allows Sean Payton to entrust that side of the ball to him the offense is going to be better they signed Cortland Sutton they they've got J.K.

38:48Dobbins who went healthy is as good as any running back in the NFL they've added R.J. Harvey I mean they they are feeling good quietly confidently good about what they've got going into the season and they could stir things up with the Kansas City Chiefs when it's time to play the game.

39:04Rich Eisen:Hey man, we played that game too. I guess great minds think alike. As soon as Rogers made that statement, we went around the room here and say, how many Super Bowl contenders are there in the NFL? I came up with 15 Brockman, 12 and TJ just said, screw it. This is going to be very tight group. You said seven, seven, right? And you came up with 12, Mike. I've got about 11 or 12. Okay. And the Steelers were down to that 12 spot. And if they get it, then the chargers don't, the Broncos don't, the Vikings don't, the Packers don't. So, and 12 is stretching it. You know, there are coaches who will tell you at any given time in the NFL, there are 10 teams to worry about 10 teams.

39:42You don't have to worry about and 10 to 12 teams in the middle. And look at where we are, even with the parody of the salary cap, ideally you win the super bowl every 32 years in this system and look at the past 32 years and look at how many teams have won it, how many times they've won it, how many teams haven't been to it, how many teams haven't won it, how many teams haven't even gotten to the conference championship game, i.e. the Cowboys. So it's amazing when you look at how teams have cracked the code on the current system of salary cap, free agency, draft and develop, and get yourself a franchise quarterback.

40:19And that's the indispensable ingredient but we have teams that have figured it out and we have plenty of teams that can't and this is not what pete rosell envisioned back in the 70s when he got sick and tired of the steelers dolphins cowboys raiders running the nfl well what do we have now rich we've got the eagles chiefs bills ravens lions 49ers like there's a there's an upper crust of the NFL and everybody else.

40:48Rich Eisen:Again, again, we're just a few short weeks away from seeing that play out. And Big Shield is coming out in just a few weeks time, three weeks time now. And you can preorder this ebook by you, Mike Florio on Amazon right now, correct? Yes, correct. 99 cents for the ebook, which is one of the dumbest things I've ever done. 99 cents is essentially giving it away. but I want to promote reading as a, as a means of enjoyment. We all have our stresses. We all have the crap we have to deal with day in and day out. We love football because it gives us a distraction from the things that otherwise bring us down.

41:23And there's nothing like a good book. Now it remains to be determined whether I've written a good book. There's nothing like a good book that sweeps you away. You know, you look forward to reading, reading a few chapters at the end of the day, whatever the case may be. So I'm trying, I remember being in school and hating the idea of having to read. They made us read and it pissed me off. And as an adult, when I discovered that reading can be very enjoyable, if you like the subject matter, so I'm trying to promote a shift for everyone who hated reading in school. 99 cents, you get to read something you enjoy.

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42:19Rich Eisen:it's kind of hard to get out that's right and uh big shield uh last time you were on it was uh four weeks away from being released now it's three weeks away from being released which is my passive aggressive way of pointing out you're burying the league came back on the show a week after saying he doesn't come on the show because I don't ask. Look who's back on. It seems intentional, Mike. Feel free to space it out a little bit more. Somewhere between one week and five months. You tell me the right... In that gray area? That's where the cadence lives? Very good. Mike, thanks for the time, man.

42:58Rich Eisen:We'll see you again soon. Thanks, Rich. Good talking to you, buddy. The one and only Mike Florio, everybody. Buddy Pro Football Talk and Big Shield out in three weeks. In the last 32 years, only 15 teams have won the Super Bowl. There you go. You left the Packers off on that list of the teams running the league at the time of Roselle, right? They won Super Bowls one and two. I always say that about Bart Starr. He gets forgotten. Well, no, I'd just like to say on your resume, oh, I was the MVP of the first Super Bowl and then the second. You know, it's kind of like, you know, Neil Armstrong. Oh, yeah, you know, I walked on the moon first.

43:35Rich Eisen:First. First. I took the first two steps. Right. I took the first two steps. So did Bart Starr. It's like the same thing.

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45:32Rich Eisen:I believe you are a fantasy football player. Is that a true story, Jodie Foster? I am. I did not play last year because of the present administration. I had to be on the top of that. You can't get all those alerts all at once. It was just too much for me. Too many badges on your phone. Yes, exactly. Too many alerts on your phone. I had to choose. I don't know. I think next year, I think this year I'm going to choose fantasy for sure. Well, I mean, it's an escape though, right? I mean, wouldn't you say? I would not call it an escape. I would call it a, you know, a hyper-focused art form. Interesting.

46:07Rich Eisen:Yeah. Fantasy football is a hyper-focused art form. If you're going to do it, you want to win. Okay. Have you been so fortunate to win a fantasy league? Who are you in a fantasy league with? A bunch of 16-year-olds. You know, who else? Like a random league? Yeah. And I have to say, I do enjoy it. None of them will trash talk with me. Because, you know, you can do that thing where you sort of type in, like, you're going down. Right. Nobody will do that. They're just very polite. 16-year-olds being polite in a fantasy. Now that, so what's your team name? What was your fantasy team name? I can't tell you.

46:40Rich Eisen:Why not? I'd have to kill you if I told you. Plus, I don't even remember. Okay. Because I would love to know. I mean, because that's most of the fun that we thought. Is it? That's most of the fun? It kind of is. Okay. Yeah. But you finished in second. I did come in second. Do you recall who was on your team? Well, I got seriously burned by Todd Gurley. It was his first season with the rounds. He just disappointed me pretty severely. That was a bad year to be holding Todd Gurley the entire time. Do you have a real football team that you love? Yes. I love the Ream Bay Packers. How'd that come about, Jody?

47:19Somebody gave me a cheese head and it was all over. That's it? Yeah, that's all it took.

47:23Rich Eisen:Who was it? Was it De Niro? Was it De Niro? De Niro gave you a cheese head? Who gave you the cheese head? No, I have a friend of mine who has like an in with them. So it was not just a cheese head, but it was a cheese head everything. Okay. So there was like a cheese mug and there was a cheese ring and there was a cheese headband. Okay. So you got into that. Cheese like dog outfits. Have you ever been to Lambeau Field? Have you ever been there? I never have. It's unbelievable. That's what I've heard. Because you're just in there. It's a Midwest town, and you're driving down a road, and there's a gas station, there's a Kmart.

47:52Rich Eisen:There is the cathedral of football where Lombardi used to play. I can dream. I can dream. If I do pretty well in fantasy, maybe I'll have that. Maybe you can do such a thing. I decided I discovered Devontae Adams. Because I had him the whole year. He's my guy. I call him my man, Devontae. Does he know that? He doesn't know that. Maybe he'll know it now. Okay. Oh, it's fun having Jodie Foster on back in the day. Yeah, it was. Certainly since she broadsided Jeff Van Gundy when he accused me of cheap shotting him. Remember that? His whole soul was hurt. His soul was hurt. Well, wouldn't your soul be hurt if you went to college with Jodie Foster and she says, no, don't remember him at all.

48:39Rich Eisen:Nope, don't remember you. That would leave a mark. so uh you know 844-204-RICH is the number to dial yeah i don't think daniel jeremiah is gonna make it yeah where in the world is daniel jeremiah do we do we call him up we got him on the phone sure see what's going on i mean he's somewhere on the five well you got you got his number why don't you want me to text him and be like hey can you call in no why don't you pick up the phone So we'll literally call him right now? Yeah, and see if he'll pop on maybe at the end of the hour. On my phone or the show phone? The show phone. We may not recognize the number.

49:16Rich Eisen:Oh, boy. Well, just call. Derek in Missouri. We haven't chatted with our good buddy. No, what's up, Derek? What's going on, man? Hey, Rick. Doing good, sir. What's up to my boys there in the studio? We're good. We're good. What's going on? Not a whole lot. Well, I got a couple of sports talk radio questions today. Okay. So basically, we've talked more about Caleb Williams and Daniels and Drake Bay. But, Rick, what are your expectations for Bo Nix going to his sophomore season? Yeah, don't forget, J.J. McCarthy's talked about more because of his ability, because of his, you know, newness to a team that had 14 wins last year and appears to be Super Bowl ready if he can rise to that mix.

49:57Rich Eisen:You know what I mean? Yeah. And so, yeah, I mean, I have high expectations of Bo Nix. I see him taking a step forward, right? I see him being better. We just heard, again, from Mike Florio, the running game should be better. J.K. Dobbins is healthy. He's better than what they were getting production-wise last year. Courtland Sutton's been paid. R.J. Harvey is a kid that can add even more to that offense. defensively. They've got the defensive player of the year with Jotty Baron to get this kid back on the field more often. I think Denver's got a massive opportunity to be better. You know what I mean?

50:41I heard Mike Corio say that earlier about them being some contenders. And Sean Payne in here too. More than anything, after the season they had in 2024.

50:50Rich Eisen:Right. And Sean... So many times with the dead cat hit with Russ. I mean, the opinions for me are through the roof, so I'm not going to be happier. Derek, thanks for the call. It's year two for Peyton with Nix. Right? Again, when they dead capped Russell, it's just like, well, good luck trying to win in the first year of your rookie contract with your new quarterback because you're basically paying him the full freight of a big quarterback with your dead cap hit of Russ, and after this year they're through that. With three more years left on Nix's rookie deal.

51:26Rich Eisen:Denver is lying in wait. I think for sure. 844-204-RICH, number to dial. Look who's called in. Daniel Jeremiah from somewhere on I-5. What's up, DJ? You there? Yeah, I'm on the 405. Oh, you are? West, Westminster, I believe is the next exit right here. Okay. We're moving. We're moving. You're moving. Yeah. Okay. You know, when you see the little crash icon on the GPS. But then you never see the little crash. So either somebody false reported on here or they clean that thing up quick. Okay, so the GPS arrival time in our area is what? What is it? 35. 35. Yeah, I mean, John Sally in studio. When are you back in Charger camp, Daniel?

52:16I do not come back to Charger's camp until tomorrow. Until tomorrow.

52:23Rich Eisen:Well, are you at least staying over in the area so we can get you in tomorrow? No. I'm coming home, but I can come up a little bit earlier if you want me to pop this. Yes. Let's do this tomorrow. Let's do this tomorrow. I'll call you afterwards. Okay. That works. Can you have Brockman maybe sing the Annie tune as I leave? Oh, the sun will come out. Well, don't do that because, I mean, I can't pay the ASCAP fees for that. You know what I mean? I just can't do that. Trust me, Brock, we won't get serious. I thought now that you had that Disney behind you, Rich, that maybe that was maybe more in the cards, but I guess not.

53:02Rich Eisen:A couple weeks away. Wait a minute. Let me look up. No, I don't have that. I don't have that. But all right, DJ. Thank you. Well, when you see Jim, tell him I am going to take him up on his offer to work out with Ben Herbert. Oh, you are? Oh, absolutely. I've seen what Luca looks like. You know? You don't have to go through a bad breakup to pay attention. Luca Eisen. Yeah. I'm impressed. Men's health will go the month of the draft, April, cover boy. That's right. That's right. The Run Rich Run cover. That'll be great. Look at him. By the way, Aaron Judge is taller than Luca. It's nuts. He's huge.

53:42Rich Eisen:Oh, my God. That is crazy. They're close. All right, TJ. Thank you. Have you tanked up? yet? Have you tanked up? No, no, no, I'm pushing. I'm pushing. I've got it says 39 miles or no, 24 miles with 64 miles on the tank. Oh, it's like Kramer. You're like Kramer looking for a new car. All right, Daniel, we'll see you tomorrow. I'll call you afterwards to set it up. Thank you. All right, see you, buddy. The Yankees just made another error.

54:14Rich Eisen:Right at the end. That was a hit and run by somebody cruising up the 405. That's odd. Yeah, that's odd. You hung up. Never seen that before. All right. Everybody's having their fun at my expense. Go Dodgers. I didn't like what you said, Odin pauses, about the future. This is the love story of real hinge couple Odin and Edward, written and read by me, Curtis Garner. Listen to the free audiobook now.