Mark Schlereth: Are the Broncos Contenders?

24:31And I sat down with him. And I said, hey, it's third down and 12. What's your go-to move? And he just stared at me. So I thought maybe he didn't understand the question. I was like, okay, wait. It's like the game is on the line, third down and 12. What are you hitting the offensive line? You got one-on-one with the guard. What's the go-to move? What are you going to beat him with? And he just looked at me and he goes, why would I tell you that? He's like, why would I let that information out? I'm not telling you, like, I'm not telling you anything. Those are trade secrets. Like we've, we've ever since then, we've had the greatest relationship.

25:06Cause every time I see him on the field, I go, Hey, it's third and 12. He's like, get out of here. I'm not talking to you about this. So he's just one of those dudes that, man, I tell you what, he made me glad that I didn't play anymore. every time I watched that guy play because that dude was unbelievable. Just unreal.

25:23Rich Eisen:Teron Armstead was here, and he said multiple times outside of being here as well, saying that essentially Jared Verse with such heavy hands and such moves made him start to realize maybe I should retire. Was there a guy like that for you, Mark? Yeah, pretty much all of them. Come on now. I kept like, oh, my God, this guy again. And, like, the first time, I don't know if you remember Jamal Williams who played for the Chargers, and the Chargers had such an unbelievable defense back when I was playing. Their offense stunk, and we always beat them, like, 24 to 7, but it was the hardest game we ever played.

26:00Sure. And I'll never forget breaking the huddle, and Jamal Williams is a rookie, and he's lined up across the line of scrimmage. And I'm walking up the line of scrimmage, and he's got no tape on his fingers, no tape on his wrist. He doesn't have gloves on. And I thought to myself, I was walking up is, oh, shoot. Like, I'm in trouble. Like, this guy's a lot tougher than me. He got no tape anywhere. Like, that to me was like, it was like, uh-oh. Like, if they start coming out here and not wearing tape on things, like, these guys are tougher than I am. And so there was quite a few of those guys over the course of my career that you're just like, man, this is going to be a long, long day.

26:35Rich Eisen:And then just wrapping up this part of a conversation, who was the workout warrior when you were playing? Who was the guy that Jared Verse was describing as Aaron Donald when you were in the league? The guy that always blew me away with the shape that he maintained all year and the way he ate was Shannon Sharp. I mean, Shannon Sharp, buckwheat, pancakes, no syrup, never ate a piece of fried chicken. Like, everything he put in his body was plain. Boiled chicken. He used to just eat boiled chicken. Jeez. And he would come into training. He would come into minicamp and he'd be like 250 and ripped.

27:12I mean, big 250 and ripped. And then he'd come into camp like three months later and he'd be 228. And just like, like if you threw a cat on him, the cat couldn't claw in and stick. He just slide right down. There's not a ounce of fat on the guy. And you would just marvel like his body. And he still has that type of body and that type of discipline, man. And that dude had the most disciplined regiment when it came to eating and working out of any guy I've ever been around.

27:41Rich Eisen:That's why what's so amazing about DK Metcalf is he eats candy, like simple sugar candy. And he still looks like the phrase Daniel Jeremiah used when he came out of the draft and he was at the combine. He said he was a he called him a human bat suit is what referred to DK Metcalf, you know? Yeah. No, the dude is and the nicest guy. But you're right. He's garbage. Like I played in a pro bowl with Randall McDaniel and Randall McDaniel was like, he was put together. You want to talk about a great athlete, hall of fame guard, like the unbelievable, like I couldn't watch Randall McDaniel film because he could do things that nobody on the planet could do.

28:19And I would be like, anytime we followed like Minnesota and I'm prepping for a defense, you know? And so you get certain teams, there's certain guys I like to watch. Like how did Bruce Matthews play this guy? I used to always get Bruce Matthews tape or Steve Wisniewski tape. How did he play it? How did he set him? Let me see what I can learn from these guys, right? Randall McDaniel, I'd be like, can that take? Like, that's useless to me because he'd take false steps and everything else, and he'd be on guys and just absolutely dominating. Like, if I ever took that step, I would get beat 100 out of 100 times because he was so athletic.

28:53But Randall McDaniel shows up to the Pro Bowl, sits in his locker before the game, and eats a bag, same thing, a bag of candy. He had, like, every kind of candy you could imagine. That's all he's eating. And you're like, how do you have that type of body, that type of strength, that type of just athleticism, and all you eat is candy? Like it was this pregame meal.

29:12Rich Eisen:It's amazing. Some people's metabolism, right? Mark Schlereth here on the Rich Eisen Show. Aaron Rodgers said there's about usually six to eight, if not maybe 10 to 12 teams in training camp that on paper can win the Super Bowl and considers the Steelers one of those teams. Would you, Mark? Yeah, depending upon how Aaron plays. And I did a Rodgers game late in the season, and Aaron and I have been friends for a very long time. And so it was interesting watching the beginning of the season and just watching the highlights. When you're calling games, you're so knee-deep. You're in this silo that's an inch wide, a mile deep of the team that you're going to call.

29:55So you're watching and trying to keep up with the rest of the league, right?

29:58Rich Eisen:Right. And I had seen that he wasn't really performing very well early in the season. By the time I got him in December, he had about a three-game stretch, man, where he was dealing. And the game I got him in was against Jacksonville. And he actually – I mean, he lit it up. I think Devontae Adams had over 200 yards receiving in that game. I mean, he lit them up. And it was interesting because I'm on the field before the game, and I'm watching all the quarterbacks throw, and I'm watching Aaron Rodgers throw. And let me just tell you, the arm talent, the ball jumps, I mean, freaking jumps out of his hand.

30:31And you're like, oh, my gosh. And then there's 25-year-old quarterbacks on the other side and the backups. And it's not even – they're not even from the same planet. Like you're watching the other quarterbacks, Matt Jones, throw the ball. And he's like, it's not close. At 40 years old, it's not close to what Aaron does, to where he puts the ball, the velocity comes out of his hand with. and he played really good football. So if he can stay healthy, like it's a huge key. And then Arthur Smith, you know, implementing the things that Aaron Rogers does exceptionally well with the running game that Arthur Jones, the offensive coordinator, other Pittsburgh Steelers puts together.

31:09You're going to see a lot of two tight formations. I love Friar Muth. I love what they did with John who Smith. Like, I think that this is a team that can truly compete. If Aaron Rogers is healthy within that division, got TJ Watts on, make some additions on the defensive side of the ball, I think they've got a real legitimate chance.

31:28Rich Eisen:Are the Broncos one of those 10 to 12 teams right now that you could think are a Super Bowl contender, Mark? Yeah, I really think that they're a team that continues to build, right? I think one of the things they have right now is continuity. Don Payton has put a really good team together. I think there are some places that you would look, you know, running backs of question outside of Cortland Sutton from a receiving standpoint? Do they have a guy that can take some pressure off of him? But Sean has got himself the right quarterback. And I think one of the cool things, talking to Sean about Bo Nix, the things that he loved about Bo Nix, his ability to process.

32:06He said he sat down in their pre-draft meeting. He gave him a load. He gave him more than anybody could ever digest. Gave it to him at like 6 o 'clock in the evening. Had a meeting with him the next morning at 7.30 or 8 o 'clock, whatever it was. He said Bo Nix knew the offense inside and out, had an eight plus grade as far as learning that playbook and all the information they gave him to learn. And then the things he loved about him, throws the ball on time and accurate. And you cannot be accurate in the National Football League if you don't throw the ball on time and then ultimately doesn't take sacks.

32:43And that was the biggest thing. And Sean has the same philosophy I do when it comes to sacks. The way the game is operated today, there's very few seven-step drops, five-step drops with multiple hitches, right? The game is quick. It's outside the numbers. It's get the ball into your playmaker's hands and go. Sacks have become more a quarterback-driven statistic than an offensive line-driven statistic. And so if you don't take sacks as a quarterback, you don't take them because you get the ball out on time, you get the ball where it's supposed to go, a lot of three-step, a lot of five-step drops without hitches.

33:13Like you shouldn't take sacks. So if you do, that's on you as a quarterback, oftentimes more than is on anybody else. That's your responsibility. And he loved that factor about Bo Nix. But the thing that really resonated with me about I can't remember which game exactly it was, but they came off the field and Sean Payton and Sean Payton fashion got in like he just got in Bo Nix's ass. Right. And started yelling at him when he's coming off the sideline. And Bo Nix just flipped around and got right back in Sean's face. and then walked away. And that to me was when Sean Payne was like, oh, I got my guy.

33:48I got my guy, right? This is my guy. And we've all had those moments as players when a coach sees something from the sideline, but it's not what he thought he saw is not what actually happened. And you'll be getting your ass ripped. You're going to the sideline. I remember a story with a guy that I just have so much reverence for, Alex Gibbs, coach of the offensive line in Denver, when we were in back-to-back championships. Sure. And I remember him showing this Polaroid, getting in my face. I was sitting on the bench after a series, and he's got this Polaroid picture. He's like, look, look, you screwed this up.

34:20You know, he's dog cussing me. And I'm like, dude, that ain't what happened. That ain't what happened. And I kept saying that that's not what went on. I was trying to explain to him. And he is just in my – I mean, he's just in my grill. And finally I had my – I was holding onto my helmet by the face mask. I just took my helmet and tried to break his sternum. Wham! And I hit him and, like, knocked the air out of him. And he stumbled back a little bit. I said, if you think you can block these guys, be my guest. If not, get the blank out of my face. Right. And, and so like, there's this intense moment.

34:51And then I get my grade sheet the next day and it doesn't say I was sorry or anything like that. It just goes, you were right. That was it. That was the, that was the end of the conversation. We never spoke about it again. It was just like, you're right. Boom. Let's move on. I love it. Yeah. And so some of those things happen, but it's the things that bond you together. Right. And it makes you respect one another's opinions. And if you have an opinion on, man, this is why I did it and I'll stand by it. Then I think coaches and players respect each other for those things.

35:20Rich Eisen:I love it. I love it, Mark. Great stories. Love them. But that was a yes or no question. I asked you at the top. I don't think I heard an answer. Are the Broncos one of the teams on paper that can win the Super Bowl this year? do you think, Mark? Yes or no? I do. Yeah, I do believe. I believe they've got a great defense, unbelievable defense. I think Hufunga coming in there. I think Drew Greenlaw coming in really helps bolster them. There's some question marks, but I think once you get in the playoffs, you've got a shot. So I think they've, on paper, they're one of those 12 teams that have a shot at winning a championship.

35:55Rich Eisen:Yeah, man. I love Jotty Barron also as a draft choice with the defensive, reigning defensive player of the year in the same secondary as well what about the Vikings are they one of the teams that can win the Super Bowl this year on paper are they one of those teams right now I am going to say I would say no and I think the Vikings are really exceptionally well built but I think there are going to be some growing pains early for J.J. McCarthy as there are for most young quarterbacks and most young players and I don't know if they're going to be able to overcome that I still look at that division Chicago with Ben Johnson.

36:31That's going to be a much improved football team. Ben Johnson, a great play caller, really understands the offense, really understands just football in general. I have a ton of respect for him. I look at Dan Campbell, what he's built in Detroit. And, you know, Dan Campbell, I always say this about that guy because people will look at it and go, hey, he lost both his coordinators. Dan Campbell is – he plays the role of meathead exceptionally well. The guy is a super smart football guy. He's got his finger on the pulse of that team. They have done unbelievable things. I think they'll be right back in the thick of things.

37:03Green Bay, obviously, under LeFleur, really good football team. They had some struggles. Obviously love having some injury issues early in the season. But I think that division is so tough. I would say Minnesota's on the outside looking in as far as one of those teams that can win the Super Bowl.

37:20Rich Eisen:So you put Green Bay above them? I put Green Bay and Detroit above them and them kind of neck and neck with Chicago. Okay, so let's run through this in the few minutes we have left here, because we did this at the top of the show. Why not? Let's go division by division. How many in the AFC East are Super Bowl win contenders? Buffalo. Buffalo. Okay, one. And then the AFC North. How do you have? Who do you have there? I would have the two teams that I'd like in the North are obviously Baltimore's got a real shot, and Pittsburgh would be my number two team. Over the Bengals. You don't think the Bengals have, because of who's holding out right now?

37:58Rich Eisen:Let's just say the Bengals are fully constituted. You still don't think that Barrow could be that? Because what I said, I said yes earlier, Mark, because they were the team at 9-8 last year. Like, don't let them in the tournament. And their defense wasn't that great at all, as we know. Defense was bad. And, you know, their offensive coordinator came out in this offseason and said, hey, we're just going to have to outscore people. Let me ask you this. How did that work for you last year? Not great. right like so i just don't like the way they're constructed i don't like the way i don't like the way their offense operates and i would say that zach taylor you know if you're talking about hot seat coaches brian dable's on the hot seat right zach taylor would be one of my one of my guys that's on the hot seat right now and you've got one of the best quarterback i think he's the best quarterback in football i really do but i don't like defensively i don't like the way they're structured and i don't like the way their offense is structured i think you put too much like that That guy has got to play on the high dive from start of the game to the end of the game.

38:58You don't have the breather plays. You don't do like you put him on the high dive. You say, hey, man, go win us a game. And I just think that's an unfair position, even with a great quarterback, to put that guy in at all times. I just don't like the way they're built.

39:12Rich Eisen:AFC South. How many teams are in that Super Bowl win contention? Zero. Zero. OK. I just don't think Houston's ready. They're a playoff team, but are they going to compete for a championship? No, I think they'll maybe get to a divisional game, wild card divisional game that weekend. But I don't see them as an AFC championship contender. So you put Denver in before in our conversation as a contender, win contender. Chiefs obviously there. Do you put the Chargers in that mix? I do. I think that division is really, really tight. And I think the Raiders are much better as well. I don't know if you're going to get three teams out of that division like you did a year ago.

39:55I don't know if you're going to get that because I think that division is so tight right now. I think the Raiders under Pete Carroll, obviously, you know, they went out and they got the running back in the draft. It's against my core belief to say anything nice about a Boise State player. But Gentry is unbelievable. That guy is great. And obviously Geno Smith, I think, is a huge upgrade quarterback position.

40:20Rich Eisen:All right, let's whip through the NFC. How many NFC East teams are Super Bowl contention? I think there's two teams. Philly, obviously. I think Washington is still there. I think the Cowboys are playoff contention, but I don't put them as a Super Bowl contender. How many in the NFC North? You mentioned Detroit and you mentioned the Packers, but that's it yeah or you put the packager you do the put the packers in i put the packers in detroit in there nfc south uh tampa tampa i put tampa in there okay yeah and then in the west nfc west i put the rams and the niners and the niners just because of past performance and the you know a lot of these guys are back and healthier yeah robert saw is there now i'm yeah i'm a believer in solid huge obviously kyle shanahan i'm a huge believer in kyle shanahan And I'm a big believer in Brock Purdy.

41:18The way he processes information and gets through his reads, and a lot of it is dependent upon a healthy Christian McCaffrey, and he's just such a weapon for them. But I think the one thing that happens sometimes when you have a lot of injuries, kind of the blessing in disguise, is you find a lot of young players that you're like, oh, my God, that kid can really play. Oh, my goodness, we can move on from that particular player. And I think that's what Kyle Shanahan found in Jawan Jennings, even though he's got the contract thing that he's going through right now. I think he found that in a lot of young players on the defensive side as well.

41:51So I really like the way they're constructed. And the reason they moved off those guys is because they found some young players that could really play. Pearsall really played well at the end of the year last year. So I think they feel pretty confident, the young players, and how they establish themselves.

42:07Rich Eisen:fitting you and we and we end with purdy because the number of super bowl contending winning teams you've just named are 13 13 out of 32 so about a third of the league here uh more than third of the league which yeah when i came in the league we had 28 teams in the league and joe gives it's the first meeting we ever had at training camp said there's 10 teams in the league that can compete for a championship and we're one of them and and it hasn't changed much since then even though you've you know increased to 32 teams it hasn't changed a whole lot mark you're the best brother let's do this again before the season okay thanks for the time rich you're the man you got it fox sports mark slareth right here on the rich eisen show podcast and so many more ways so to follow what he has to say so you had 12 he had 13 i had 15 okay uh what say anyone else out there 844-204-rich number to dial here on the rich eisen show rich eisen here with some advice if high interest credit card debt is grinding you down it might be time to call an audible with a SoFi personal loan.

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44:03Rich Eisen:Seattle is hosting New Orleans in a playoff game. Correct. Up in Seattle. And we played them earlier in the season. So it's not uncommon. We played them on Monday Night Football five weeks prior. And now we are back in the divisional round at Seattle. Only it's a little different. We're staying over across the water in Bellevue. And so the first thing in the morning when I get up is I have a waffle, you know, the whipped cream strawberries. And I'm flipping through the networks trying to get either ESPN or NFL Network. Who's going to give me the forecast? There's NFL Network. I got it. And they're going to these sites where the divisional games are going to be played.

44:49And they're talking about this is sunny here, blah, blah, blah. And then to Seattle and they get to the Seahawks Stadium. and I know that it's going to be, and you can see the wind. And I'm eating my waffle, and they pan down on Russell Wilson and Drew Brees throwing a football on the field in their graves. I'm going to tell you where I'm supposed to be at that moment when they're throwing a football. I am supposed to be meeting with the officials, discussing the inactives, and getting ready to say the Lord's Prayer and give our players a pep dive. That's where I'm supposed to be at that moment.

45:28I stumble out of the bed. This is my worst nightmare. I know I'm a half an hour away from the stadium, and I'm thinking to myself, national anthem, I'm in my underwear late to the game. Right? That's the nightmare that I had. Wow. And I just saw Breeze and Russell Wilson warming up, and I run to the shower, call my assistant, can't get him. The waffle is spilled on the floor. I get back, my assistant says, hey, what's up? And I said, when did the buses leave? No one called. He said, coach, the buses haven't left yet. They had taken B-roll from the Monday night game. Someone in the tape room ran the wrong tape.

46:07Can you imagine? I text Falk. He's on set with Rich. I said, what are you guys doing? I had a cow. I'm telling you, you have no idea. We're talking about being like, this is the divisional playoff game, not being there for the kickoff as the head coach. That's how late I was.

46:29Rich Eisen:And Sean, just Marshall showing me the text. We went back and forth. I arrived. This guy now is live on the field, and I peek out at the stadium only because of the conditions. And I take a look, and Rich says, good to have Sean Payton here at the stadium. Just some slight comment that not one person can understand until we tell this story. Amazing. Listen, not only does a guy have a Hall of Fame resume, and certainly if he wins one with the Denver Broncos, although that said, there's a Denver Broncos head coach that should get in the Hall of Fame too. Yeah. You know what I mean? Agreed. Mike Shannon.

47:08Rich Eisen:Mike Shannon should be in. But this man is, in the 22 years that I've been with NFL Network, coming up on season 23, a Hall of Fame, Mount Rushmore, top-notch storyteller. He really is. Sean Payton. As great a storyteller as he is. And boy, does he have stories. Stories for days. I would read that man's memoir whenever he wants to write one. I don't know if he's ever going to do that. I remember the Pro Bowl that he coached when he was with the Saints, and he gave out Tony Romo's room number to break the huddle. Because they went to the same college together just to bust his stones. Unbelievable.

47:49Rich Eisen:Back on the Rich Eisen Show radio network. What would you, Rich Eisen Show listener or viewer, give up so your favorite team would win a championship? That question was asked of Scotty Scheffler on the pod. Was today's part in my take? Yeah, I think it came out today. Okay, with the PFT and Big Cat. Roll it. Gosh, I don't know. I would trade one for sure for a Super Bowl. I mean, I've been rooting for a Super Bowl for a long time as well. A lot of hard work has gone into cheering on the boys and arguably a lot more disappointed in football than there is in golf. He said he would give up a major for the Cowboys to win it.

48:30Rich Eisen:He's got two green jackets. So you would give up one of those Masters? You're not going to give up the Open Championship you just won or the PGA Championship you won earlier this year because that's the two extra spokes of the Grand Slam, career Grand Slam wheel. An extra leg you'd have to go back and re-win. He'd give up a green jacket. You'd have to, right? Like if you had to drill down. No brainer. But it's easy for him to say something like that. Trust me, would I give up an Emmy Award for the Yankees to win a World Series so I don't have to hear it from you anymore? And my son, Cooper. My son, Cooper.

49:12Rich Eisen:would get to see the Yankees win. He's 14. All he hears is stories from his dad. We've seen him win, though. And thank God he was in summer camp off a screen when they had four errors the other night to give him 10 on the season against the, or 12 on the season against the Blue Jays, who they can't beat. And that doesn't even include Cody Bellinger losing a ball in the lights after they tied the game again because Aaron Judge hit career homer 356 to put him sixth place on the all-time Yankee list. for home runs. You're getting my drift? But I would say that except for the fact I don't have any Emmys.

49:50Rich Eisen:But if you had... I guess I have my 1996 sports. But if you had a best host Emmy, would you give that up for a Jets Super Bowl? If I had two. Exactly. You don't have one. Because you say when I give up A major, he's got four of them. Easy for him to say. I wish TJ was here. What would he give up? A ping pong table that he's still boxed up as a parting gift from his loss? The price is right. What would he give up? Can't give up a motorcycle. He doesn't have me. Well, but if he had won it, he would have two. He could say he could give up one. He would have some second. He could have given away a motorcycle.

50:34Rich Eisen:So no, I want to win an Emmy for us. Right? No, but it's you best studio host. Yeah. So me personally, If I had two, I'd give up one. To watch the Yankees? Yes. My son is not seen Jack on top of you-know-what. Oh, there you go. That's a good one. What about the Jets? That's a good one. Eh. Really? Eh. For your brother? Oh, for my brother. Sure, for my brother. Okay. See? Yeah. For your father. For your father. For your father. Good sibling. Yeah. I'm brother of the year as far as best brother ever. I'm the only one he's got. So, you know. Would you rather? What would you give up? Well, what you've already got for what?

51:22Rich Eisen:He's seen everything. What are you talking about? Oh, guy. You be quiet. Masshole. He's seen everything. Syracuse football. Now we're talking. Where your team, Syracuse football, is up there with Georgia and the Ohio State. That would be awesome. And let's go. I don't really have any. Texas, Michigan, and here comes Syracuse into the field of 12, and they go on a run. Oh, that would be unbelievable. How wild would that be for you? Crazy, crazy. I would have given everything. When I never golf again or stuff like that, is that what we're talking about? But again. I don't have any personal accolades.

52:05Rich Eisen:Roddy Scheffler was asked, would he give up one major? He's got four. He could give up one jacket, which obviously is, that's a lot. I mean, that's any jacket you win from. Right. And by the way, the people at Augusta National are like, hell, he'd give that up. He'd give up. He'd try and win the Open again. He's not giving up a jacket. Because that way, when you amass them, that's how you catch Jack or Tiger or whatever. That's how you separate. That's right. When you have jackets. Plural. It's true. So I'm not denigrating that it's, oh, great. Let me give up something I already have in multitudes.

52:47But Scott has never seen a cowboy championship. That's right.

52:52Rich Eisen:How old is he? He's, what, 29? I got it right here. Hold on a minute. He's 29. Oh, yeah. He's born in 96. He's never seen it. Wow. He was born in June 21st, 1990. So, by the way, it's the same birthday as my brother. Yeah. 96. Yeah, his family moved to Texas when he was six, so he's been a diehard cowboy fan. So this was probably, no, he was probably born a couple weeks before they beat Neil O'Donnell. Wouldn't that have been in January of 96? Yeah. But he, yeah, but he was, his family was living in New Jersey at the time. Well, he was just on the planet. Yeah. Yeah, but he didn't say it. He don't say, he gotta be a, yeah.

53:27Rich Eisen:Super Bowl 30 was January 28th, 96. Yeah. So he was born later on. He's never been on the planet. Wow. He was three months into gestation. Did I say those things?

53:45Rich Eisen:What would you give up to Syracuse football for the ages? Team 144 for me. Michigan winning it all. Rich. You saw how I reacted. Rich, it's nuts. It's truly one of the greatest things. It's also because it's your school. And my son's daughter saw it. All right, I'll give up one Patriot Super Bowl. Michigan Seaton Hall, I give everything up. Congratulations, Chris. Your wish is granted.

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