NCW talks King/Queen of the Ring, Forbidden Door, Great American Bash & more

28:49So at quick glance, I think 24 different men have been. And I could be wrong. Think of how many superstars they've been. And that's the thing, Shane. Can I read you? Some of the greatest wrestlers of all time had been King of the Ring. The Magnificent Morocco, Harley Race. Oh yeah, it's the macho man, Randy Savage. And I'm talking to you, O'Shea Jackson. Yeah, dig it, brother. Ted DiBiase, Tito Santana, Bret Hart, not once, but two times. back to back because he had it like that. Owen Hart. Mabel. Maybe not one of the greatest of all time, but Mabel was a big man. He was the king. Stone Cold, Triple H, Ken Shamrock, Billy Gunn, Kurt Angle, Edge, Brock Lesnar, Booker T, William Regal, Sheamus, Bad News Barrett, Baron Corbin, Xavier Woods, Gunther Cody Rhodes, and now Oba Femi.

29:37Man, some of the biggest names in all of wrestling have been king of the ring. So like I said, it was just a good resume builder, but people don't want to hear that. Yeah. You know, I'm so hurt. But are you ever going to get upset to watch Brock Lesnar and Obafemi? Oh, and not just a regular match.

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30:34You've never seen no buffet? You're not excited about that? No, I'm saying, like, I can't even think of Brock in a Hell in a Cell. Well, he's never lost one. Of course. That's why I can't remember. You know, the classic one with The Undertaker back in the day when Taker had the cast on, the American Badass Taker. But yeah, when he said the Hell in a Cell, I was already hyped. But now we're getting this in Hell in a Cell? Some of the greatest moments in wrestling history have occurred inside of a Hell in a Cell, and now we get to add Brock Lesnar and Obafemi to that lineage?

31:06O'Shea:I think I've only seen, like, been in the building for one Hell in a Cell. ever. That was when WrestleMania 32, Shane and Undertaker. Oh, you were there for that. Yeah, bro. I remember watching Shane climb to the top and jump off and I remember screaming, you don't have to do this. He, oh God, we got to interview Shane. But yeah, man, I'm excited. And I got to go. ESPN. I got to go. You. We got to go. Yeah, thank you. 2002 and 2015 both against the Undertaker is what it's popping up. Oh yeah so only two It may be more but these I mean I can't I'm like Brock Lesnar in Hell in a Cell is scary and now you put him in there with Oba you know his pause pause it real quick Brock Lesnar loves Oba Femi You can kind of tell He'd be smirking when he talked to and stuff like he's just like, I've been waiting for you for so long.

32:14Well, he had Roman for years and years.

32:16O'Shea:Yeah, but like, he like, I'm getting tossed around, baby. You know, like. But Roman wasn't able that. He didn't physically decimate. No. Rock was always like the towering, you know, thing. And Roman was always kind of trying to just survive. Yeah. Just survive. Speaking of Roman, can I speak of Roman real quick? Please do. You know, I'm on this car tip. The other day I got myself an Edmonton Eskimos Joe and Hawaii card that I bought. You see it? You see it? Respect to the tribal chief, Joe and Hawaii, defensive lineman. My man looks like he's about three bills small change there too. You know what I'm saying?

32:56Just a random thing that I wanted to show everybody. Here we got that.

33:00O'Shea:Let me just put it out there in the universe because you know WWE, they got that tie in with Mitchell and Ness. that might be a jersey is net is mandatory bro are you kidding honestly i would have a lesnar viking on mitchell and that i'd have the anawaii also they both wore 69 because he was also in uh camp with uh the vikings disgusting yeah uh tom pelissero uh of the espn and it would be nfl network good friend of ours here at the rich eisen show he was hosting last week and he told the story about when Brock was trying out for the Vikings and he got into a, he started a brawl between the Vikings and the Kansas City Chiefs.

33:41Oh yeah, I saw you! Yeah, and Tom actually sent me some grainy footage. He filmed it off a flip phone. So he had footage of it on his phone and he sent it to me. Yeah, but he said Brock suplexed somebody. It wasn't a suplex. It literally was more like a Canadian destroyer, if you can believe Brock Lesnar doing that. But he set off a whole training camp fight. So She won't get on any other.

34:04O'Shea:I'm really liking this jersey idea. Can you imagine a Braun Breaker Ravens? Yes. Can you imagine a Last Legends WNBA? Listen, everyone who's been involved or affiliated with a sport should have their jersey. Oh, Mitchell and Ness. Mitchell and Ness. Little WWE tie in right there. That'd be hard. You want that Jade Cargill Jacksonville University jersey? We got you. Bro, I want that Dwayne Johnson Miami Hurricanes. Come on. And act like you know. Oh, my goodness. As a Florida State fan, I don't think I could ever wear a Miami jersey, but I consider that. You know, if – Dion? No, that's Florida State.

34:44Yeah, that's why. Yo, he was the reason. Yeah. You know, again, I grew up in Pennsylvania. Yeah. My whole life liked Penn State because we were 40 minutes away. Then a friend of mine, his older brothers left for – they graduated college. They moved out. They had an extra Pitt season ticket. They start taking me to Pitt games. I thought I didn't like Pitt. Right. Then you start going to watch a team play every Saturday for a few years, and you can't dislike them. So, yeah, I was Penn State Pitt, and then one day I saw Sports Illustrated with Deion Sanders on the cover. I was like, who is this guy?

35:20He became my favorite athlete. I start loving Florida State.

35:23O'Shea:Yeah, I knew it. I was like, all right, let's see. Why would T.J. pick Florida State? Because you know there's always a reason. Yep. So I was like, Deion, 100%. I agree. there's no argument there. And he told, by the way, there's a story in that magazine about him almost getting arrested at a mall. And one day when he was guest hosting the show, he gave me the backstory of what really happened. I was like, wow. You spoke about being there and you're not really a fan of the team, but you've been to a lot of home games, so you started really rocking with Pitt. By the way, shout out Aaron Donald.

35:56O'Shea:That's the only person from Pitt I know. Larry Fitzgerald. Oh my god. We got a little bit of a squad then. There's a lot. But my little brother Sharif, okay? Now, Los Angeles didn't have a football team for most of his life. So my household, we kind of all had our respected teams that we liked to root for. I was a Raider and then I saw the light and was a Chargers fan for a while. My dad and my brother Darryl were Raiders fans, even though Daryl really liked the Steelers as well. My mom loved Pete Carroll, so she was with the Seahawks. My little brother is a Baltimore Ravens fan. Okay. You told me that, right?

36:39O'Shea:And when my dad was filming XXX State of the Union, we had to stay in Baltimore. Okay. As a family, we lived out there for months. and his first football game ever was Ravens versus Steelers in Baltimore. When he saw Ray Lewis come out and fire shoot into the sky. That was it. He was like, oh, this is my squad. So just like that home environment, and he fell in love immediately. That same game, me and my brother are happy because, like, me and my older brother Daryl, we got the binoculars and we're like, we see Cordell Stewart. And we're like, oh my God, it's Cordell Stewart. But he wasn't even starting that game.

37:26O'Shea:You know, the quarterback gets hurt and they bring in some guy. Was it Tony Maddox? Roethlisberger? Yeah, that guy. Roethlisberger. Yeah. And boy, he goes off that season. Yeah, so that was, Sharif was there for. They were 14-2 that year. Yeah. Sharif was there for Ben's first game. Oh, word. And like, yeah, he was a raven ever since. And he didn't think about going for the Steelers? Hell no. Ray Lewis came out in Baltimore. In Baltimore doing that. Fire shooting to the sky as a little kid. He's like, this is the greatest thing I've ever seen. Speaking of Ray Lewis, I love how we just have these side quests when we talk.

38:04Because we're just here chopping up. We ain't got a guess. Y 'all the homies. Y 'all with us. A couple years ago, Ray Lewis came into the Rich Eisen show. I may have told this before. I don't know. as he's leaving Stone Cold Steve Austin is coming in and I've got a picture, I'll send this to D-Lo I got a picture of Ray Lewis and Stone Cold right here in the back doing the you know the Schwarzenegger oh yeah Carl Weathers hand thing right in the back Lewis going leaving, Stone Cold coming and I was like yo that is, where else can you find Stone Cold and Ray Lewis I might be the only person on earth who's got a picture of that.

38:44That's hard.

38:46O'Shea:Man, I got a picture of the first time my dad met Gruden. Oh, word? I didn't know they never met. We're doing straight out of content promo. We're on the ESPN campus. When my dad saw John Gruden walking to him, the smile that he had, ear to ear. Your pop's ice cube. Yeah. Famous for the scowl. He was so happy. And, like, they saw each other. It's probably about 40 yards in between them. They started the handshake from there. They had their hands ready. And, like, man, it was like, finally, you know? So, yeah, I feel that. It's a powerful picture. Maybe I'll put it out one day, but I am a selfish individual.

39:31All right, so I guess we'll get back on the direction. But, you know, this just proves, man, when people listen to us, you know, we can talk anything. Yeah, exactly. We can talk anything. But, yeah, so Obafemi. Brock Lesnar, Hell in a Cell, SummerSlam. I can't wait. I can't wait. Night one or night two, it doesn't matter. And I get it. I get it if you're someone who's sitting there going, well, what was, like, the Cardi B, we'll put it in here. What was the reason?

39:56O'Shea:What was the reason? What was the reason? Yeah. I get it. And if you're going to get hung up on that, there's nothing I can tell you. But one thing we learned from John Cena, okay, in the three hours we sat with him, the wrestling business is all about the pivot you gotta be able to pivot alright for whatever reason you brought it up earlier business wise cause we know from Cena the data is something they look at a lot yeah all of that they decided to pivot you gotta go with it so you can sit there and just be mad about the fact that well why did we do this because we didn't get what we wanted or you can be like yo we're getting Obafemi and Brock Lesnar in hell in a cell dog It's about to hit like crack in the 80s.

40:40Pookie. Pookie. Man. Oh, God. Black spoons everywhere. So that we have the king of the ring. But now it's time to turn to the queen. Yes. EO. Queen EO Sky. She is now reigning. EO, EO, EO, EO. Yeah, man. Yeah, EO, EO defeated Liv Morgan. She is now the queen of the ring. And she didn't waste no time in putting her challenge out. You know she wasn't going to challenge her bestie, Rhea Ripley. You didn't know where she is. Yeah, she said, Liv, I'll see you at SummerSlam. So we're going to get Liv Morgan against EO Sky at SummerSlam. And look at her. She's just, I love her.

41:20O'Shea:Man. I love EO. She can borrow my car. She can have mine. I'll walk. Noruku, I'm sorry, bro. I don't mean no disrespect. I don't mean no disrespect, sir. All respect. I saw you spit mist in my guy Tony D's face. Red mist. Red mist is the death mist, by the way. That is the, or is it the black mist? You know them blacks is aggressive. You don't want to get misted, period. So I don't want no problems with him. But, you know, we're fans of his wife. Yeah. It goes without saying. So now we know we're going to get her and Liv Morgan. And like you said, are we really going to get this match after we just saw it?

41:59Yeah, we are. Are you going to complain about it? No. Not really. it would have been cool to maybe see one of the Raquel get her shot and then because they've been teasing this Judgment Day breakup for a while and I guess that's just going to continue to go on but yeah live in the EO and then on Monday night they jumped EO I am like and you can understand how I felt you know because the hard R's are in there you know how I feel about the hard R's no I'm a Liv Morgan fan but you know I love EO so I had a hard time watching this beat down Shay

42:32O'Shea:Yeah, it did not feel in the crowd was chanting, Rhea, Rhea. I was like, guys, it's definitely not going to happen. It's wrong. Did you see Rhea's tweet? Yeah. She called them a word that I'm not going to say here. Right. On no context, but she tweeted out a word that is, I will just say, usually associated with women. Yeah, you know. And she called them that for jumping in. Yeah, the favorite food of vegetarians. See? I said nothing wrong anyway but yeah it did not feel good the numbers game is always going to be in Liv's favor but Io has the power of the cosmos because the most dangerous man in professional wrestling still has Liv cursed when she struck him she's that man she she slapped the face off his lips right you know what i mean like the face off his lips it just looked like the dairy queen lips or that lady from uh the warriors you know the lady on the radio station the radio station yeah man it was uh listen up it was signed still delivered after that you hit dan house yeah but and then it's kind of like you're watching it and it's like they're they're really trying to push dan housing obviously and the curse thing so it's like well obviously she's if he cursed her obviously they're going to make juice so it's kind of like but i mean i did not think she was gonna listen up boppers but i didn't think live was gonna win anyway so that's why i didn't have a problem with it because like we don't know number one we know that ria is recovering but like k-3 we don't know where ria is we haven't been showing or anything and you're gonna really make the ah but i guess it wouldn't be a winner takes all because live can challenge for your title you're not challenging for live's title so ria would have just won i guess and then been over that's it yeah but yeah there was no world where i thought live was gonna get queen of the ring so i didn't i didn't mind her having to deal with Dan Housen and the way that that happened and all that, but the Judgment Day as a whole is playing with fire.

44:53O'Shea:Kayfabe wise. You're breaking to this man's cave of wonders. You steal his jersey. You're threatening him. Have you not been watching the show? Like, this dude is not to be messed with. He did steal 100 lards from our boy, though, Dirty Dom. Did they specifically say what those human monies were for? All right. When you deal with the underworld, sometimes shady stuff happens. And I don't know where Dan Housen is from, but he's very good at being very evil. Very nice. Come on now. Very nice. Very nice. Yeah, Liv is done for. Unless she gives him an album or whatever his demands are. So you think this curse is going to last?

45:41Look at The Miz.

45:43O'Shea:He cursed The Miz? The city of Cleveland gave me Miles Garrett. That's not in the script. The Cavs got swept. Like, we're dealing with things we don't understand or comprehend. So I'm just saying there's no statute of limitations on a curse. No. I'm worried for the state and city of New Jersey. It's wild right now. All right. Gianna Daddio is in trouble. Trouble, bro. God loves kayfabe. and he will add to it any chance he gets. So, yeah, so we got that match. So there's two matches that we have so far before we get to a really good match. Yeah, we even got to that part. Yeah, yeah. So, yeah, so we had the king and the queen of the ring fine with both champions.

46:30I think, you know, we both predicted that those would be the champions. Steel cage match Seth Rollins over Braun Breaker. That was a banger. I was surprised. You shouldn't be surprised. We shouldn't be surprised. Seth Rollins, one of the best wrestlers of all time. I think that's an issue. Braun Breaker, one of the, if the WWE had their four pillars the way he does right now, you'd have to say Braun is one of their pillars, one of their future main event stars. They put it out there. You know, Seth got to the ring, and he's throwing everything into that cage before he even gets in. Kendo sticks, tables, chairs.

47:09He and Braun went at it. They banged it out, and it took a super stomp from the second rope for Seth to put Braun Breaker away, man. Because we know where Seth went after this, I guess I understand why he gets the win.

47:25O'Shea:Seth Rollins, anytime he wins, you should not be surprised. But the reason why I'm surprised is because I felt like Breaker really needed it. and think about throughout the history of wrestling how many times someone needed something in the vet always won't. What it's feeling like is okay okay okay Braun Breaker is Gabby Douglas Gabby Douglas I know exactly dude that is wow because I know I shouldn't write that I know what you're going to say Go ahead So continue Braun Brigger is Gabby Douglas Like Gabby Douglas You know what stop I'm going to write a name down Alright I'm going to write this down We haven't talked about this No

48:23O'Shea:Alright continue Alright alright Sorry to the guy God I hope it's right now It better be right Yeah so Braun is Gabby Douglas Like, Gabby Douglas came in, like, won the gold on the Wheaties box. Had the reality show. Yeah, like, all of black people, just all of America was behind her. She's the greatest thing that happened to gymnastics. Is that Simone Biles?

48:53I just knew. Oh, the Femmy and Simone Biles.

49:00and I hate that I mean as soon as you said that I knew where you were going with it and it just feels like that this dude came and took the chain I've been watching a lot of Game of Thrones clips lately because it's all on my algorithm and it's catching me up with things I forgot the usurper usurping ass but it's still Brun Braun's still going to have his time to shine. Gabby Douglas should be applauded in every room she wants in. I just saw a picture of Gabby Douglas playing tennis the other day.

49:34O'Shea:Yeah. Hamburger? Hamburger. Hamburger. Hamburger. Hashtag hamburger. Yeah, it's like, man, and it's such a weird feeling, but that's why the worst thing to happen to you in this business is getting hurt. Yeah. Getting hurt. It derails you, dog. It derails everything. Now we can't change this story because, like, bro, we got it already set. And, man, it just, everything that's happening for Oba, I just saw Breaker going in that direction. And it, I mean, dude, it's super young. Super young. It's not like Braun Breaker's gone anywhere. His time is still coming. But, like, yeah, dude, it's just a weird feeling for the character right now.

50:23O'Shea:The guy, great dude, is going to be there, has everything that you see. He's going to be a world champion. In a world champion. Everything. The lineage, the attitude, the aura, everything that is world championship. But it's a little derailed right now. It's a weird space for him. It was a weird space for Seth, honestly, too, because of him. Gabby, too. you know you guys get what i'm saying there's no disrespect of that analogy no no but like you you feel me you know and he too he's gabby and uh right now simone is killing it yeah yeah king of the ring small balls king of the ring so what else do we have so yeah but great great still cage match and by the way for everyone watching us uh tomorrow thursday july the 2nd seth Rollins will be guest hosting the Rich Eisen show.

51:18I'll be here with Seth and we'll be chopping it up. That's my guy, Colby. We'll talk about SummerSlam and everything else. If you're a Seth Rollins fan, if you're a no contest fan, I just want to let you know tomorrow, Thursday, July 2nd, Seth Rollins will be guest hosting the Rich Eisen show. Check us out on Disney+. Or listen to us on a variety of radio stations, which I don't have in front of me, but it's a lot. ESPN radio. For sure. And to finish the card, Trick Willie, he defeated Ricky Saints to retain the Men's United States Championship. Of course, the pops that Trick Williams get, they're worldwide.

51:58He's international. He's Trick Willie. Tiffany Stratton defeated Jay Cargill to retain the Women's United States Championship with a little bit of help from Chelsea Green, even though B-Fab and Meechan did jump in as well. But, again, fully covered from head to toe. So that's not how you want to see Tiffany Stratton and Jade Cargill. Respectfully. Respectfully. Okay. And then the main event, as we already touched on, Sammy defeating Gunther and Cody to become the new champion. So, yeah, that was a fairly decent Night of Champions card. I had a good time watching it. It was probably the most fun I've had watching a Night of Champions, honestly.

52:35And then, you know, we can cut through it all. We already talked about Raw happening with the Judgment Day jumping EO. I mean, I know EO's got friends. No one came out to help her. I mean, no Rhea, no Asuka, no Kyrie. Yeah, that's true. That's true. But like I said, it's hard because I ain't never going to get mad at Roxanne. Yeah. Roxanne, Roxanne. Also, Liv said, when the last time you seen Stephanie McKeer? Yeah, that's the other thing. I and A. Hold on. Miles Bourne, I mean this respectfully. I miss Stephanie. Who cares? I'm going to start filing complaints.

53:15O'Shea:I need the men over at WWE to get a box, get all your shit, and get it together. Because I'm mad at Montez. I'm mad at Jimmy. And Miles? What did Miles do? I don't know. She's hurt. listen man come on man don't start that bro all this hurt shit I never know send that home Netflix and chilling next thing you know I'm tired of this I'm scared of everything in AEW we ain't seen Tony Storm in a while kind of makes you wonder juice why'd you do it anyway yeah so we do miss Stephanie And hopefully her return is soon because the vision misses her, man. And Io needs some backup. She can't be getting no.

54:14Even though I like the three, I don't like seeing Io get a three-on-one beatdown. I ain't with that. No. It ain't right. It ain't right.

54:23O'Shea:And, you know, this would be a kind of perfect time in between now and SummerSlam for maybe Raquel and Roxanne feel like, you know what? Liv, you got this, right? You the end-all be-all. The greatest women's champion of all time. Of all time, right? Hear that? For your ear gate? Yeah, so like maybe that is where we're headed to. But yeah, can't have EO getting jumped. Hurting her knee? I don't like that. She needs her knee. I don't like that. For knee stuff. but and but you know let's just keep it g real like we do the biggest thing that happened i was a little bit behind on monday when i texted i called shay and then you made i said to you i'm a little bit behind and you were like well listen yeah get off the phone yeah i don't want you to hear text me when you know yeah because when you call they were doing oh see i didn't and you were like i want you to hear and i didn't know what you said but all of a sudden here comes the tribal chief my your our tribal chief right there and he's in there with jacob and they're cutting a promo and then seth ron's music hits and he comes to the ring and like i'm not i try not to be a prisoner of the moment right i try not to say like well that was the greatest match i've ever seen right after it happens or the greatest ple or that was the greatest promo right i try not to do that because, for one, I've seen way too many matches and heard way too many promos.

56:00But I got to be honest, man. This has got to be, and I heard some other people not locking it. You said Meltzer didn't like it. You lunatic. This got to be one of the top 10 Seth Rollins promos of all time. And he basically looked at Roman and was like, my brother, we are closer to the end than we are to the beginning. And that kind of hit me. Yeah. That hits you because he's right. Are we 14 years from now? Like, what is this? Are we still going to be Seth Rollins and Roman Reigns? No. 14 years from now, those two gentlemen will be doing other things. He had a point. Had a point. If not now, then when?

56:43And we thought this was a WrestleMania match. And who knows? It still probably could be. But we find out. And like I said, if you haven't seen Seth's promo, go watch it. It was great. he basically told Roman like we're connected forever essentially and you have to beat me to really

57:03O'Shea:solidify your legacy yeah because you don't want the ghost of Seth Rollins to follow you when your career is all said and done and he's absolutely right as a Roman Reigns fan and I was a Roman Reigns fan before he was chief back when he was getting booed with blue contacts in his eyes uh i've always felt like i've always felt like seth is triple h's boy that's his guy roman is vince's dude this is just always been in my head and like that's why he's never gotten over seth like seth always figures out a way to like get roman even when he was at the height of his powers he is the only loss during that reign it is a dq loss but still it's it's it's on there it's on the shirt like right there some people got other people's number you know yeah and as a roman fan part of me is like you know there's a world where he loses at summer slam and then wins at a mania but then there's also the part of me that's like let him get his ass let him get him and oba and roman will figure that out at mania but like also side note just you know uh a little inside my mind i don't think uh i don't i think roman gets a year with the title and then i think that's it.

58:36O'Shea:I feel like this is just one more last hurrah. He's elevated that title and everything, but that's just where my mind goes as a fan. But I need this one. I need this one because it's the only thing he's missing. I personally, two of my favorite wrestlers. Okay. That group changed wrestling. one of them as you know Moxie he's doing his thing and he's helping carry AEW he's helping carry a company these two are helping carry WWE and it's kind of amazing who was it who really was the person who said you you and you we know that Roman wasn't the first choice for the shield I think management was like we'll put him together but someone had to have a vision.

59:35And then someone had to allow these three kids to come up from NXT and dominate the main roster in the way that they did. They changed the game. They come out and they triple powerbomb Ryback through a table. Remember they're all the black turtlenecks. In Kayfabe, we know who it was. Best in the world. CM Punk. In reality, was it him? Maybe so. Who knows? But the point being, These, and I said this before, and people brought up Evolution, and that's true, but I said I feel the Shield might be the greatest faction of all time. I'll take them. When you break it all down. And if you're going to tell me Evolution, won't argue with you.

1:00:17Don't tell me the Forestman, I'm not going to argue with you. Tell me DX, I'd probably argue that with you. But in terms of fun, nobody had more fun than DX. No, of course not. It was the 90s, bro.

1:00:36Seth Rollins and Roman Reigns, they go together, man. Like chocolate and peanut butter, like pepperoni and pizza. You know, just any two combinations that you can put together. Lamb and tuna fish. I don't know about that.

1:00:48O'Shea:Okay. But it just, that promo got me, man. That hit me because it felt real. It felt like two legitimate brothers. and we've all seen the videos of those guys taking road trips together years ago. You know that deep down, even if they don't hang out all the time, like for me, for instance, my two best friends, married with kids, very successful actors, businessmen, we don't hang out the way we used to hang out. It just doesn't happen. But the thing is, the love is always there and that history is always there. And so I kind of feel that way with those two. Like, those two together is special, and it should be treated as such.

1:01:33And when that happened, I text you immediately. And I was like, we're going to Minnesota. We're there. I don't care what I got to do. I'm going to tell Seth this tomorrow. Let me ride on the bus with you if I have to. We might as well start walking now. But I, you, we got to be in the building to watch Roman Reigns and Seth Rollins at SummerSlam because, like Seth says, chances are we ain't going to see this too many more times, man.

1:02:04O'Shea:And I know the competitive side of Seth is like, this dude got a five-star with CM Punk. He got a five-star with Punk. We need a five-star. Yeah, so there's that side of him. but as far as the brotherhood that you talk about, one of the heaviest moments in the history of the WWE when Roman Reigns came out, brand new, spanking new universal champion. Cherry Red. And by the way, the Red Belt was cursed. I stand by that. You might be right. And he comes out as Joe. Yeah. I have that recording to this day. I can pull it up on my phone right now. When Seth and Ambrose came out, or Mox, you know, when they came out, Seth was boo-hooing.

1:02:57O'Shea:Balling. Crying. Like, tears. Real tears. When you have that connection with somebody like that, no matter what they do, man, you still worry about them. Yeah. They still in the back of your head. I got two best friends that I used to have that, like, we had a falling out like for real falling out and to this day I'm still like I wonder if they alright you know it's just something there and so you know kayfabe you can believe what you want but behind the scenes they really are like they're still brothers yeah for sure made a lot of money together man bought each other houses yeah come on dog and And, you know, there's comparisons.

1:03:46O'Shea:Like, this is generations rocking Austin. Just one, one, and a history. Oh, my God. Stop. My way? Come on, bro. Come on. But Seth, you know, Roman not being able to get over the hump with Seth. I can only think of, I think the Rock's beaten Austin maybe four or five times. Like, Austin was cleaning house with Rock. Probably won 95 % of the match. Again, you know this is no contest match. Yeah, right. That's a TJ Jefferson number right there. Real math. But yeah. One and two against him at WrestleMania. Yeah, dude. So this might not be the end-all be-all, but we're about to sell it like it is. And we will be in attendance.

1:04:34O'Shea:I'm going. I don't care if I got to stand outside. I'm not going to say my plug, but we know who it is. You're right. We know who it is. The San Francisco treat. Yeah, bro. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. A little insider there. Yeah, but yeah, so that's where we're at for United Champions and SummerSlam, man. I'm pumped. Me too. Can't you see me? But again, there was such a great weekend for wrestling. And we got, you know, as fans, we got to touch on the rest of this. You know, we had AJ Francis last week on the pod. and you know by the way if you look at our Instagram I made sure we put up the video about wrestlers wrestling and let me tell you AJ Francis struck a nerve with people who probably don't need to have a nerve struck but the amount of people trying to see some panties boy coming at him and like and he's going back at him in the comments a little bit which I love I just saw one about an hour ago like he really touched the nerve for some reason Why are y 'all so protective over these draws?

1:05:40But what he said was true. It wasn't the message. It was the messenger. And I feel a lot of you people, you have this idea of A.J. Francis from him and that dive over the top rope that didn't work. But the man is so much more than just that dive, right? The man has accomplished so much more in TNA, gotten himself in such amazing physical shape. And one thing he told us from the very first interview we did, I don't know if you remember, that time when that flop happened he didn't realize he was diabetic yeah and that was something that led him to getting checked out which now he got a hold of the diabetes he i'm sure he's doing better change his diet change whatever but a lot of people don't know that unless you watched and i'm not giving out it's not a hipaa violation he actually told us so i I think a lot of people, they have that stuck in their mind to him.

1:06:34You got to go watch some more A.J. Francis. The dude has improved tremendously, gotten in some tremendous shape. Yeah, amazing. The gun show. And also people that go, oh, I dare you to go to so-and-so and tell them that. I dare you to say that. Yeah, you saw me get at that dude. I was like, I dare you to say that in front of Randy. Also, do you realize that A.J. Francis is a 6 '6", 300-pound man, former offensive lineman?

1:06:59O'Shea:Oh, that was his own line. I think that if it came to a squabble, he's going to be all right. He's going to be all right. So chill out on that. But I just loved it because it touched the nerve. And if it gets more people to our social media, I'm all for it. But yeah, so Slammiversary, that was also this weekend. AJ had his match against, and like you said, he had Elijah. He owned Elijah. He owned his name, his NIL, his name, image, and likeness. Unfortunately, the match didn't go his way, and AJ lost the match. So I don't know if he can sell a match, damn it. Yes, he can. And when that dude becomes a producer down the line, and you see like, oh, this match was produced by AJ, you'll be able to tell.

1:07:44And just to give you guys a little peek behind the curtain, we actually saw AJ one of our trips to TNA. AJ saw Shay come in and within two minutes AJ had came up with this entire storyline for you that you guys kind of worked on over like an hour and went on TV two hours later and it was phenomenal. It was the one I would say about he was about to get jumped and I would have helped him but I was way across and then Mike Santana came down to help that was all from the mind of AJ Francis and that was all conjured up within moments of seeing you walk into the door.

1:08:23O'Shea:I was literally just supposed to do some announcing during one of his matches and be out. He comes up to me and it was like, they got you doing the first class match? I was like, yeah. He was like, one second. And like pieced it together. We went over, you know, like what I should come out and say on the mic. and he made that whole thing happen, like you said, an hour before shooting. I remember we were all sitting in Crafty having, eating, and it was me, you, Kareemah, Danny Luna was sitting next to him. Hey, shout out Danny Luna. And Jody Threat. We were all on the table together. Chilling. Well, you know, and he broke it down.

1:09:07And I was kind of in awe because I'm also watching Ace Austin go over his match while he was still at TNA. And I'm just like, the way these performers put this together, man. Nothing was like watching Nick Nemeth, though.

1:09:20O'Shea:Him constantly moving that, bouncing around, like keeping his legs loose while also going over an entire match. It's something that not a lot of people get the opportunity to watch. But it's truly amazing to watch and see. And speaking of Nick Nemeth in Slammiversary, we mentioned Mike Santana, TNA World Champion. He and Nick Nemeth, they had a match for the title. and Nick Nemeth for the second time is your TNA World Heavyweight Champion. Shout out. My man Mike got WWE written all over. Yeah, I feel, and we said this a few weeks ago when they let Mike Santana run with, I think it was OTM at NXT.

1:09:59The pop that Mike Santana got, I was like, oof, sorry guys, because he's probably not going to be here.

1:10:08O'Shea:Sound like Joe Hendry. Yeah, right? So yeah, so we'll see what happens with Santana, But congratulations to Nick Nemeth. He is your new TNA World's Men's World Champion. Shout out to Ziya Brookside. Yeah. Leying Lee for the TNA Knockouts World Champion. So a little bit of a youth movement there with Ziya. The Hardys, Matt and Jeff, they reclaimed the TNA World Tag Team Championship. That was amazing. And TNA International Champion, Mustafa Ali, he defeated Rich Swann in the debuting, And if you didn't know him before WWE, you didn't know Yuhai Nation, who's more commonly known to WWE fans as Apollo Crews.

1:10:51He had his debut there. And Mustafa Ali, he successfully defended his international championship. Not a Yeehaw, but a Yuhai. A Yuhai Nation. Cedric Alexander defended the X Division Championship in an Ultimate X match, which is always fun. Shout out to Amazing Red, who is getting put into the TNA Hall of Fame. And they're also going to have a new knockout, which is the women's division television championship. So that got announced. So that was all Slammiversary. Oh, and then Moose defeated Eddie Edwards in a no-surrender match. Moose's son came in. Eddie Edwards was about to pile-drive him. Moose's son hit him in the ding-ding.

1:11:34Yeah, in the ding-ding. Moose got the dub. So that was dope, man. And then, you know, we had Forbidden Door. which was always fun. And Kenny Omega defeated Zack Sabre Jr. in a tremendous match. And you know, I want to point this out. Does Zack always lose? Well, not that, but people always, Jade Cargill, for instance. People say, oh, someone can't wrestle or they're not a good wrestler. If wrestling was all that mattered, then Dean Malenko would be on more Mount Rushmore because if you really just cared about the wrestling, you know then guys like Malenko would be manage more but when it comes to wrestling Zack Sabre Jr.

1:12:18is truly one of the best in the world and Kenny Omega put on a banger you got Moxley, he defeated Bandito to retain the Continental Championship my girl Tecla you know I've been a Tecla she scares me and there's something about that I like she defeated Star like Kid, she retained the Women's Championship and stole her mask And it looks like we're going to get Tecla against the winner of the women's Owen Hart tourney, Mercedes Monet, who defeated Maya World. And so I think we're getting that and all in. Cage and Cope retain the tag team championships. And they had a circular steel cage, which you don't see much.

1:12:57Loved it. That was fantastic. Loved it. 12 men. A little Looney Tunes-y. I guess you technically have to say 13 because Lino Rush was in a hockey bag. Oh, yeah, right. That monster. He knows. He knows. Black Golem. So basically, Mark Briscoe's team won, and now Mark Briscoe gets to challenge MJF for the AEW men's tonight. So that's going to be interesting. I love Mark Briscoe. You know I love Mark Briscoe. Yeah. But there's just no way. Because. I mean, because of the Darby thing just happened. Well, not only that. Will Ospreay defeated Swerve Strickland. Oh, yeah. And probably. And you know, I said before, like, I hate to say that was the best match I've ever seen.

1:13:40Yeah. Truly one of the best wrestling matches you are going to see. Swerve Strickland and Will Ospreay, kind of like Roman and Seth, sometimes you have your soulmates. Because you can go back years ago and watch those two dance and break dancing in the ring together. And then put on this bloody, violent match that truly you need to take time, if you're a wrestling fan, to try to find and watch.

1:14:05O'Shea:And part of me, with everything that Ospreay, how long it took them to set up this new Ospreay with the Death Riders, he has to get out of there with a W. And he did. He beat Swerve, so now he gets a title match. Right. That's providing MJF is able to get past Mark Briscoe tonight. But let's be honest. The bigger matches. I think we're looking at all in London, MJF defending his AEW, the Triple B, AEW World Champion against Bruv. Yeah, the Bruv versus the Bruv, if you will. And it's going to be, that match is going to be a banger, bro. It's going to be a banger. And yeah, AEW, they do pay, they're still pay PV.

1:14:53They're not PO. They do them right. You rarely feel like, and that's the other thing. They're going to give you your money's worth. That was like over five hours worth of action. Yeah, and I do want to give them credit because every time, you know, you might...

1:15:08O'Shea:The criticism I see a lot that even myself as a viewer have thought a few times is, how many times am I going to see these two go at it? And you run into that a lot in AEW. It's like, all right, this is like their fifth time fighting, their whatever time fighting. They make sure it's different every time. The only one where I was like, oh, I've seen this before. When Ospreay and Ricochet, they were basically doing a match that they had had years ago. But a lot of people didn't see that. Exactly, exactly, exactly. But that's only through research that I even knew to look at that. But when I saw Swerve and Ospreay, I was like, okay, like, these two I've seen go at it.

1:15:52O'Shea:I know where they can bring. This one was still different. They brought it. It was still different. It was still a different notch. And, you know, Swerve takes a lot of flack online. Some deserving, some not. You think, like, all right, I've seen this dude take a needle to the face. I've seen the – stop using staples on Swerve. Swerve, like, staples and Swerve is Popeye and spinach. Like, you – it don't work. He ain't moved. He loves it. He likes the iron. But you see him do all these wild things, and you're like, all right, what could be next? And there's always a next. And it just goes into respect for their creativity and their ability to even do it.

1:16:45O'Shea:So I just wanted to shout out that even if you see two names in AEW that you've seen fight before, they know they got to make it different. They know. They know, man. Yeah. So shout out to the Forbidden Door. And like I said, wherever Swerve goes next, I'm not sure. He's kind of out of the title picture now. But he's never going to be far from the title picture. You know what I mean? He's never going to be too far. I do miss the old song. I do miss the old song. That old song really played a part of getting him over. Yeah. The way it did. But he also is a music artist and wants to get new shit on.

1:17:22Yeah, so I'm not mad at that. And then lastly, you know, that just the end, the activities that we had, man, we had the Great American Bash. The Great. And here's something, you know, that if you're not really go back with wrestling, you know, WCW, NWA, the Great American Bash was like their SummerSlam. Starrcade was their WrestleMania. The Bash was kind of like a SummerSlam because it was something that carried through the summer. I remember being like 12 years old and just knowing that, like, this was an important thing. The Great American Bash, bro, it stood for something. And then once WWE won the wars, all the WCW stuff kind of got put to the side.

1:18:01And so I like what NXT is doing. They've taken kind of ownership of some of these things, like the Great American Bash, and tried to make them feel relevant. Does NXT do Stargate? I believe they do Stargate. I'm not sure. That's a money name right there. That's a money name. I'm drawing a blank right now. I don't know why. I should know this. But yeah, the Great American Bash is something that they've definitely taken a hold of and tried to restore. And I love the fact that during that, the episode, they were giving you flashbacks to the stars who have moved on from NXT and just show what they got to do while they participated in the Great American Bash.

1:18:42So I like that. My only, I guess, piece of advice would be to maybe even go further back the next time. show like you know the rick flares and the dusty roads and then nikita koloff the ivan koloffs the road wars all those battles that made the great american bash what it was made it great yeah made it great so maybe incorporate some footage of that as well but otherwise see that are you saying to make the american bash great again hey man wow hey but yeah see the shout out to the CW, they did a great job of doing that. And that would be my only piece of advice. And maybe even go further back to let people know really what this, what the bash is all about.

1:19:22But, you know, we had our guy, Tony D. Yeah. Defended that NXT championship. He defeated Noroku. And, you know, Tony was the victim of a, one of those fireballs.

1:19:33O'Shea:Yeah. So he's wrestling with one eye. All these mystic arts. No, he's got, he's got one eye wrapped. He looks like that 1776 poster with the dude who was playing the drums with his head all wrapped and bloody. but Tony D man he's a beast dog Zarya defeated Tatum Paxley to retain NXT Women's North American Championship let me tell you something Tatum Paxley and Zarya put on a banger okay again if you didn't see it do yourself a favor yo there is something Tatum Paxley I was a fan of Rosemary and TNA back in the day oh yeah you know and who else Since we ever got to meet Rosemary, Rosemary wins that TNA Knockouts TV championship.

1:20:17Absolutely. I think it might be Marisade, but I'd like to see Rosemary get a shot. But there's just something about that. It's not quite goth, is it? It's just, I don't know what it is. Her emo? Her and Shiloh Hill work so well together. I feel like they got to, and I don't mean like in a romantic sense, keep them as friends or brother and sister when they move up. But there's something that those two have that works. But, man, Zarya just— Chemistry for sure. They put on a banger. Shiloh defeated Tristan Angels. You know, I'm a big Ren Sinclair fan. Happy Ren's Day! Happy Ren's Day! She defended the Speed Championship.

1:20:56She defeated Ariana Grace, which is strange. Ariana Grace goes from TNA Knockouts World Championship champion to fighting for the Speed title. But maybe they're trying to elevate the Speed title. So, you know, our honor handles herself gracefully. Gracefully. She is a treat, by the way. Saquon Sugars defeated Dion Lennox. You know, low-key, we've been talking a little bit about Saquon over, you know, the months. That dude on the mic. That turnbuckle spot? Oh, that was great. Everything he does in the ring, but just on the mic. He's entertaining. And that alone is going to get him over. And the fact that he's money in the ring.

1:21:33So shout out to Saquon Sugars, man. you because I've watched that dude's video sometimes and just crack up. He's a funny cat. Then our guy Miles Bourne defeated another brother of ours, Tavion Heights. He became the NXT North American Championship. I feel like we talked about Roman and Seth. I think at some point Miles Bourne and Tavion Heights I'm not saying they're going to be as big as Roman Reigns and Seth Rollins but I feel like the rivalry, two brothers those two together will always, you can always put those two together and like they're gonna go hard let it go so shout out to miles and shout out to t uh and then lady angle lady angle new nxt women's champion is kendall gray defeated lola vice to win by the way lola vice easy there damian priest yeah but yeah that was that was fun and you know a few weeks ago kendall and kehlani put on a match that was amazing again if you haven't seen it check it out.

1:22:32Lola and

1:22:32O'Shea:Kendall, much like Zarya and Tatum, they put on a great match. Bro, the women's division on the main roster feels, you know, especially with Bianca not there for as long as she's been, and I mean, Liv really not defending the title at all. It feels weird. The ladies from NXT, once they get bumped up, the ones that we know right now, it is going to be, they're going to need to step it up. Yeah. Because when Kendall get up there, it's going to be a problem. It's going to be an obvious gap. You know, an obvious gap. The same way we felt when Vaqueror went up. Yep. And so, yeah, it's very. The cupboard is not bare down there, by the way.

1:23:15O'Shea:The cupboard is not bare. So it's exciting to see. I'm a fan. Everyone seems to be a fan. I don't see much negative press about the lady. No, they've got some great women down there. They've got some great women coming up. You know, you got the Kendall Grays, the Lola Vices, you know, of course, Jada Parker, Kalani, Jordan. But then you also, you know, you've got Callie Armstrong. She's going to be making her way up. And we got to give a shout out to our girl. Hold on now. We got to give a shout out. Hold on now. I know y 'all saw her. I know y 'all saw her. Nikki. Nikki Blackheart. Martinez. Yeah, it's Martinez now.

1:23:53O'Shea:Nikki Martinez now. But like, she on the big TV now. She definitely made her debut. She attacked Tatum, which makes her a heel. I don't know how I feel about her being a heel. It's because it's your friend. Yeah, that's true. I mean, we're as friendly as for someone who don't really know somebody. I'm as friendly. But, yeah, again, we had Nikki Blackheart on two weeks after that picture came on and Twitter that blew up. So, yeah, we consider her family and friends. And so it was awesome to see. you really and I mean this I'm going to say this word and it's normally people look at it negatively but obviously this isn't a negative you really got to see how big Nikki is when she was in there with Tatum because you always see Nikki I saw her in CCW yeah you've seen the pictures and stuff but I've seen Tatum against almost every woman that's come through NXT last few years so now I have a good gauge of size wise and Nikki is just a power powerhouse specimen.

1:24:59And I gotta get on the IWC because I always do. Bunch of bitches I hear. You know she picks Tatum up. Shout out to Lex Luger had a human torture rack and she started to hop which I thought was amazing because I never saw. She kind of lost her balance. Went down to a knee and power back up and people kept going oh she botched. Oh she botched. If Tatum's foot touches that ground it's ruined.

1:25:21O'Shea:She lifted her back up boy. My point being, the transitional, you stop with that and the botch. We got to stop with the botch. It wasn't a botch. You know how incredibly powerful you have to be to have another human being on your back, lose your balance. She almost literally touched the canvas. She was able to steady herself and scoop herself back up and continue. And you want to have the audacity to work your thumbs to say something about a botch? No. that's sheer power right there that's one of your future stars right there and you know what I gotta be honest I'm so glad she didn't fall yeah but because boy you look so much more powerful that you didn't let that bother you the look into the hard cam was fierce my god yeah we've been waiting for this for a while so shout out Nikki looking forward to watching your journey continue you shout out to all you know all the wrestlers man anyone who's had a match over this past weekend i salute you i thank you for putting your body on the line for our entertainment and uh we appreciate everything you do everything man and we know this episode we wanted to touch base on everything because we's not gonna be his next week yeah unfortunately yeah we're gonna have It's a vacation week.

1:26:46You know, we don't really take... No. Even New Year's week, we usually... Bro, no. We're usually here for you all the time, but we will be dark. And I mean that literally and figuratively because... Not me. Well, he's a little bit lighter. Beige. Yeah. But yeah, we're going to be dark next week, so there won't be an episode. But here's what I need you to do next Wednesday. Hit up the ESPN app, go to YouTube, and just watch an old episode. Whether it be episode one with Chick Magnet Punk or episode 92, which we are doing right now. But go through and, you know, have yourself a NCW Fest next week.

1:27:22And, you know. Yeah, bro. I mean, maybe we'll go on Instagram Live.

1:27:31O'Shea:You know, I definitely want to. We're always going to be on social media. Yeah, like, we're easy to find. We're easy to find. Like Cody. Easy to find. Hard to beat. But Sammy found a way to do it. Yeah, man. And never mind. I was about to go crazy. I was about to say something oh don't please don't and shout out to Cody Rhodes he had a birthday yesterday yeah man whoa yeah but yeah I mean it's a great episode sit sit pat myself on the back just you are you Barry O I wonder you want me to reach over there and pat you on the back you could have been like we pat ourselves you know we pat ourselves on the back we are family I got oh my there it is anyway it.

1:28:13Hope you guys have a good day. We're not there yet. No? Why? Because we got to tell them something. Oh, damn. I thought that's... You kind of did it, but you kind of didn't do it. I didn't. Well, let's just say... Just tell the people what's got. And I did kind of do it. If you want to follow us on social media, you know, you go to AdOshayJacksonJr on Twitter and Instagram. You go to 2Jiggy on Twitter or TJ Jefferson on Instagram. Or you follow There's No Contest on Twitter. If you want to watch our clips on Instagram, at No Contest Wrestling Podcast. If you want to watch us on TikTok, at No Contest Wrestling Pod.

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1:29:03O'Shea:we hope that you have a good day. We hope that you have a good week, but not too good. Because who the hell do you think you are? Enjoy your fourth. make sure you enter the fifth with the same amount of fingers you had on the fourth. Oh my God. Okay, let's make that very clear. Don't lose no digits. Yeah, tip your waitresses. Yeah, all right. Bye, Ms. Parker. Seriously, the M80s, be careful because you won't be able to throw up the four horsemen anymore. Right. And that's 40s. If you win it too sweet, you can't do that. Yeah, bro. Watch yourself. You can win a Super Bowl, though.

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