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15:27Chris Brockman:The Eagles were one and done in the playoffs, and we didn't see it for a whole month and a half.

15:32Rich Eisen:If the Eagles had repeated and had tush-pushed their way through the playoffs and into the Super Bowl over and over and over again, if we saw the Eagles play three more playoff games this year, if they weren't one and done, and they got through the divisional round and took care of who would it have been? It would have been the Bears, right? The Bears would have gone to visit. No, they would have gone to visit the Bears. yeah okay so let's just say they took care of that then got into the nfc championship game and went to seattle and won that one and then did it to the patriots again and we were not talking about a super bowl rematch of of uh super bowl 49 but rather let me get these right um it would have been a rematch of super bowl 35 i think no 30 38 whatever the one when jacksonville was and then whatever the hell the one in in uh in minnesota okay yeah okay like if that had happened and the the eagles had done it again 100 that's why a year ago we would be sitting here talking about the time that was the time that was as close as you know it's ever gonna be is ever gonna be ever gonna sit here and say that no can't sit here and say that if the eagles come back and do it again we're back again 100 smash cut to a year from now if the eagles team is gonna look different If they're greasing poles in Philadelphia and it's another parade and they did it because Jalen Hurts had, you know, 15 frigging Russian touchdowns.

17:00Rich Eisen:No, I'll say this.

17:00Chris Brockman:How much longer it hurts even the Eagles quarterback?

17:03Rich Eisen:Oh, God. That's ridiculous. That's ridiculous. They had their chance.

17:07Chris Brockman:They blew it. Now the tush push is here forever.

17:09Rich Eisen:Never banned. I can't sit here and say that. The only reason why it's not a subject of conversation, the same way that it was a subject of conversation about past interferences because of what happened the year before. you know leading to that um competition committee season because and they wouldn't have done that the whole world saw in an nfc championship game that it was a blown call so let's do something about it everything happened with the eagles they jammed at they jammed the tush push down the entire league's throats most of them couldn't stop it suddenly it's like oh wait a minute player safety it was not about player safety the fact that we're not even talking about it this year goes to show you that player safety was the fig leaf that everyone was using to get it out because they couldn't stop it.

17:53Rich Eisen:So, yeah, wait till it becomes unstoppable again, and then maybe they'll get more than enough teams to say, we're back here again. Let's take care of it. So this is an overreaction. You can't sit here and say never say banned. But never say never, but you say never? but never again. Where's my comment?

18:15Chris Brockman:One more on the competition committee. I think we've seen it and it's time. What the onside kick success rate is like with 3 % or something. That's preposterous. The competition committee has to figure out an onside kick replacement play has to do it.

18:31Rich Eisen:I don't know how you do it, Chris. How do you do it? Like if you're going to say you like the idea of instead of an onside kick um the first of all i i do agree something's got to be done about it uh the fact though that there was a big onside kick recovery in a big game that the whole country was watching between the packers and the bears that actually successfully worked out for chicago um kind of all it's going to do is just happen once positively and somebody in the competition committee will go what do you mean we're going to get rid of the onside kick just because there's no such thing as a surprise onside kick anymore because you have to declare it one out of totally different is not it's a totally different setup than all the years in which we were seeing surprise onside kicks because you now have to declare i'm doing this because of the way that you align otherwise to kick the

19:23Chris Brockman:ball off and i like the dynamic kickoff correct there has to be something correct so now we need

19:27Rich Eisen:to do something about the onside kick what all it's going to do is just happen successfully once and some of the competition committee room will go what about this play right there oh we're supposed to do something because this worked for Chicago. That's all it's going to do is happen once. And then all you got to do is have one or two people say that in the room. And then suddenly it's not, it's suddenly it doesn't get passed. Yeah. My issue is though, is that if you say, all right, one snap from the 30 yard line, okay. Fourth and 15, fourth and 15. You got to get 15 yards on one snap. Go. What happens if there's pass interference?

20:04Rich Eisen:What happens is a ticky-tack pass interference that everybody goes crazy. The thing that drives most fans crazy, a defensive illegal contact or illegal hands to the face by a defensive back because the wide receiver has a great quick first step and they put their hands on somebody's face mask real quick and out comes the five-yard automatic first down flag away from the play. So you're like throwing to the left. Okay, great pass defensed. Sure. Game over because you didn't get the fourth and 15 successful. Hold on a minute. Out comes a ref and goes illegal contact way away from the play. First down.

20:44Rich Eisen:What do you do? Yeah. What do you do? If the receivers beat, wouldn't you tell your defender to just grab them? If it's no longer an automatic first down because you can't have automatic first downs on a defensive penalty because you don't want to give a cheap possession to somebody.

21:02Chris Brockman:You got to have special rules for this play. Okay. You almost officiate it like a Hail Mary at the end of the half or an end of a game. You can't. You can't. Yes, you can. You absolutely can. Basically say what? Swallow your whistle? Swallow the whistle. Get out of here. Make them make the play. It's a fourth and 15 and you're trying to come back.

21:18Rich Eisen:It's never going to happen. And the minute that you say in the competition committee rule, okay, we need to officiate this play one play differently. You're going to lose pretty much everybody else in the room. Everybody else in the room will be like, what the hell does that mean? Officiate it differently. Every single competition committee member that's a coach in that room, what they want out of officiating at the end of every single day is consistency.

21:39Chris Brockman:So we're going to consistently. But you have to also put it in the rule book.

21:44Rich Eisen:You can't just put something, you know, word for word in the rule book and have a wink and a nod agreement with the head of NFL officials that you swallow your whistle.

21:52Chris Brockman:What is the official wording of the Hail Marys? How that's officiated. There are penalties on every single Hail Mary that don't get called. I hear you on that front.

22:04Rich Eisen:But this has to be. We got to come up with something. I don't think fourth and 15. That's the issue. Do you say, okay, it's not an automatic first down. You get the yardage. Yeah, replay it. But you still need to go another 15 yards. Yeah, exactly. So let's keep doing that until what? You can get your field goal kicker out.

22:20Chris Brockman:No, no, no. You go back to the original line. The original 30. You go back. You just redo the same play from that line. It's a do-over. Yeah, do-over. You don't get any further yardage. Yeah.

22:30Rich Eisen:So why wouldn't you automatically tell your defender to just create a defensive penalty?

22:35Chris Brockman:You get two shots at it, and then you lose possession.

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23:40Rich Eisen:Go to your happy price. Priceline. I don't know, man. This is an overreaction. And we're certainly not going to settle it on this show. No, definitely not. What else? We're going to try.

23:50Chris Brockman:Rich, I'm going to break some news to you. Okay, what are you doing? We're going to Indy today for the combine. Yes, we are. The Combine is this week.

23:56Rich Eisen:Rich Eisen show Tuesday through Friday on Disney Plus and the rest of the crew. Yes, we're all there.

24:02Chris Brockman:And what day are the quarterbacks working out? Saturday, sir. Saturday. Okay. We're going to come out of the Combine a week from today. We're taping this on Monday. We're going to come out of the Combine thinking not one, not two. Three quarterbacks?

24:18Rich Eisen:Three quarterbacks are going in the first round. I don't know about that. And what? Is it Ty Simpson and Carson Beck? Is that who you're going to peg it? Call your shot. Call your shot.

24:28Chris Brockman:I am going to call my shot. I think you are correct. It is those three quarterbacks. I'll just disagree with you on this front.

24:35Rich Eisen:You know, obviously Mendoza is not going to throw and he's going to be. And we know he's going number one. I don't know how, which, I don't know which quarterbacks I can recall to put themselves in first round status based on the way that they were throwing at the combine. And I know that's kind of heretical for me to say, being an NFL Network guy for all this time, wanting everybody to throw. And that might be saying, you know, you can't improve your draft stock by throwing. You can improve your draft stock by throwing. Sure, and interviewing. Because you're showing up and you're competing. Yeah.

25:14Rich Eisen:Which means a lot to the scouts and means a lot to the coaches and certainly what you're doing on the grease board in the meeting room. By that I mean, for anybody that needs to know, there is a grease board in every meeting room and every coach basically says, drop your favorite play, or here's what I got for you on defense. What do you do with this formation, et cetera. It's basically like a quick test. Sure. And that's where you can really improve your draft stock at a, at a combine or your medical comes clear. And, and a lot of people thought you, you've got something wrong with this or that the other thing in your medical is clear.

25:52Rich Eisen:And you're like, Hey, you know my draft stock should be higher right um the best i guess out of the last 10 years um of me sitting up there and doing the play-by-play of quarterbacks spinning it at the combine the best throwers that i can recall that i walked out of there saying that kid is as advertised or that kid just showed up and showed what he can do um josh allen stepping back fading back from i think his own eight yard line and launching one so far in the air that it landed on the opposite 25 or something like that that was so eye-opening and it wasn't like joe milton where it's just howitzer of an arm it was everything else that was going down and then another one was CJ Stroud who just spun it in such a way that I'm like how is he not the first overall pick you know certainly because Bryce Young didn't throw and Stroud threw and he threw every throw that could have been conjured up on a route tree perfectly like NFL

27:01Chris Brockman:films spirals each one of them yeah that was after him being arguably the best player on the field

27:06Rich Eisen:in the semifinal against georgia right uh so that one i i recall the fact that he threw i'm showing up i'm throwing i'm doing the route tree i'm doing everything and i'm gonna do it expertly i honestly walked out of the building think thinking that okay one kid didn't throw this other kid through and he threw it so remarkably well he should be the first overall pick um and you know frank reich and carolina thought differently um and young is finally coming to the and CJ Stroud's made the divisional round every single year of his professional career, kind of hitting his head on the ceiling in that week, three years in a row.

27:45Rich Eisen:But I'll just call this an overreaction. They're going to have to, Simpson and Beck are going to have to do a lot more than just throw at the combine to get into that first round. And I'm not saying it's impossible. Pro days, you know, visits, conversations can actually push. but I don't think we're going to be on this show next week. Obviously, you know, some of the notes we get from our listeners and viewers is like, you know, we didn't do it this season, but we did two seasons ago on overreaction Monday where we revisit some of our takes. Maybe we'll do that coming up. Yeah. But let's revisit this next week.

28:24Rich Eisen:And I will proffer to say, this will be an easy, an easy shutdown next week.

28:28Chris Brockman:You know, teams want to move into the back end of the first round. I totally understand.

28:32Rich Eisen:I just don't know if this is a class for it. What else?

28:35Chris Brockman:A couple more, Rich. Another one coming up. There are going to be at least every time this time of year, there's a trade. We're on the air when Russell Wilson gets to it. Whoa! Didn't see that coming. We're going to get two of those this year. Two shocking trades between now and the start of free agency. You want to call it? I think it's going to be a wide receiver for sure. Don't know if it's A.J. Brown or Brian Thomas, maybe George Pickens. Got it. Sign and trade. is it going to be one of the defensive linemen? Is it going to be Max or Trey Hendrickson? Got it. Feels like something like that.

29:07Chris Brockman:But it's going to be to a location that we did not see coming.

29:10Rich Eisen:Well, Trey Hendrickson's a free agent. But I understand what you're saying. They can tag and trade him. No, I understand. I like where your head is, and I like where some of you named them. Would Kyler Murray or Tua being traded be a surprise? I think Tua being traded would be a surprise. I think those guys being traded would be a surprise

29:30Chris Brockman:because we're just expecting them to get cut. So who's going to take on the salaries? Okay, so I'll buy it. I'll buy it.

29:37Rich Eisen:There always is stuff like that.

29:39Chris Brockman:Especially lately. It seems like in the last few years, the trade have kind of amped up where it's bigger and bigger names too.

29:45Rich Eisen:Brother, the Max Crosby thing. It's weird. I don't understand what's happening. I don't think it's going to happen. Really? Yeah, I just, I don't know. I haven't any insight. I can't wait to get there. I can't wait to get to Indianapolis to hear the chatter. Coffee with Kubiak? fix it there's no doubt in my mind again the stuff that i hear at a combine oh i can't wait for this the stuff that i hear from at the combine from some people every year and i'm just wondering when i mention the name or we talk about it it'll come up as either oh yeah something's definitely up there and keep an eye on it or it's just like they're never gonna do it just max has got really pissed about it and you know uh clink kubiak went in there and and and you know put a put a clamp on it by by talking to him and they're really vibing and he really loves it there and he you know he's just a he's just a lion-hearted guy like don't ever deactivate him don't do it like you really pissed him off right but brady's figured it out or whatever it could be easily one of those things or it could be like oh yeah he's gone i can't wait to get like they want to let you finish the either one of them either i would be i would be unsurprised if i got either one of them um i just i just kind of find it that he loves it there and i i understand they they've got a lot of holes to fill but come on man i mean who personifies what an old school raider looks like

31:10Chris Brockman:sounds like is like than this guy he has a raider tattoo i mean like so he is he is personified

31:17Rich Eisen:you know that you could make the logo of him with a patch over his eye you know what i mean and i'm sure people could figure that out for sure um but either way would not surprise me so uh i'll buy this because it just seems to happen all the time and i hope it does because it's good for business yeah it makes it more fun makes it more fun all right two more rich

31:36Chris Brockman:it's also you know combine season tampering season it's measurement season too it's measurement season okay here's the deal and this is gonna be a topic so get ready okay will campbell's playoff struggles is gonna give teams pause on the short arms gangs okay okay i don't think this

31:57Rich Eisen:is an overreaction at all we're already i'm already hearing about defenders who have ruben

32:02Chris Brockman:bain baby he is uh the new poster boy for short arms this year you know short arms he's how can he rushed the passer with 31-inch arms. What are we doing?

32:13Rich Eisen:Except we just kind of saw it. I don't know. Not at this level. Against everybody. Look what Will Campbell did in the playoffs. Against this level. He got exposed. I understand it's a big level. Come on.

32:23Chris Brockman:Level up.

32:24Rich Eisen:No, no. Where are my short-armed kings at? I don't think this is an overreaction. You're going to hear it. You know, well, definitely. Listen, Thursday is when the defensive linemen get out there. According to our buddy Tom Pelissero, everybody. um is um everybody is participating from that side of it like even jeremiah love is going to work out he's going to do the workouts which is great good that's great broadcast maybe the number one player in the draft but uh i'll bring it up on thursday about the arms what do you think and and i guarantee i would say this daniel jeremiah be like yeah i saw the tape i didn't i didn't see too many people dealing you know saying his arms are too short to box with us you know i know but

33:07Chris Brockman:You know how the scouts are. Copycat this. Will Campbell. I don't know, man. Playoff. Wasn't great. Imagine if he had another inch and a half on the arms.

33:16Rich Eisen:Well, the offensive linemen are the groupings that finish up the combine on Sunday. So we'll start the combine coverage and we'll end it with this very conversation. All right. Love it. And then we'll revisit next week on Overreaction Monday.

33:27Chris Brockman:All right. Last one. Last one. And I want to fast forward. Let's see. The Super Bowl was, what, two weeks ago? So I want to fast forward. Too long ago. 350 days. Neither the Patriots or the Seahawks are going to make it, not only to the Super Bowl, they're not even going to make championship weekend next year. Neither. Fresh set. Four new teams. Why do you think that? Okay. The Patriots obviously lose the Super Bowl. The next year is kind of a struggle. The last team to lose the Super Bowl and go back was New England, but Tom Brady doesn't play anymore. That's breaking news to you. Okay. Tom Brady doesn't play anymore, right?

34:01Chris Brockman:Plus, you know, who did they play? Who did they really beat? Rich Eisen. First place schedule. The Patriots have a tough time. I've seen some people in New England are already freaking out about a 7-10 season. That's how bad it's going to be. That's how bad it's going to be next year with new schedule. Okay. It's not great. Okay. Seahawks, right? What team did they remind you of this season? Last year's Eagles. Okay. What happened to them?

34:24Rich Eisen:They also lost their offensive coordinator to being a head coach somewhere else.

34:28Chris Brockman:And completely fell apart. You didn't even think of that. I just gave it to you. You just gave it to me. But I'm going to make it seem like I knew that and I was going to say it. Sorry to call you out.

34:34Rich Eisen:I just know your body language.

34:37Chris Brockman:Exactly. You're welcome, by the way. Teamwork. Here we go. It makes the dream work. One and done last year, Eagles. We're all riding high in Seattle. Dynasty. I even brought it up a couple weeks ago. There's a new dynasty. We were talking about Philadelphia like that. Weird things happen. Did they have a lot of injuries this year, Seattle? Nope. Sam Brown will play really well. Nope. Chances of that happening again. Hey, what are you doing, man? I'm just saying he's not going to have. One minute you're Dick Hammer, the next minute you're out. So it is. Flaccid Hammer? You're not going to have the same 100%.

35:12Chris Brockman:There's a pill for that. It's not going to go. Uh-huh. Okay? Can they get 80 % out of Sam Darnold? But is that good enough to make the final four? I don't know. I'm saying neither make it. Not going to call my shot now with four teams. Just going to say none of these.

35:26Rich Eisen:We're going to see somebody different. Did you think of leading the show with this one?

35:29Chris Brockman:I did. You finished strong. But I wanted to dick hammer this one home. Hey, now.

35:34Rich Eisen:Finish. Listen, it's the Chiefs are usually the team that can just win it or lose it and come back and just be there. Yeah. It's a rarity. It is a rarity. It's a rarity. This beat up this year. As a matter of fact, as we were wondering who have you really beaten, the whole concept of who did the Patriots really beat, right? The whole concept of who did the Patriots really beat. They beat the Bills. Well, I'm talking about in the playoffs. In their first game against a shadow of an offensive line protecting a guy whose left hand was so shattered he looked like he had the Infinity Stone glove on there, right?

36:12Rich Eisen:Right. Okay. So that's one team. They couldn't move the ball worth a lick because they couldn't protect Justin Herbert. As a matter of fact, that concept gave Justin Herbert a one MVP vote from somebody that cost Drake May. It wasn't me. It wasn't you. It wasn't me. At least I was a man in that arena. to use the Tom Brady phrase. I went in that arena and I made that vote because it was my mandate as a voter to vote in that. Then the next week, you've taken on the Houston Texans.

36:40Chris Brockman:Houston Texans.

36:41Rich Eisen:You know, didn't have their top wide receiver because he got concussed. So what happened with CJ Stroud? Forgot how to play football. What happened with CJ Stroud? Played one of his worst games. Ever. All right. Then the next week, you've taken on the Bo Nix-less Denver Broncos. Second half blizzard. And you know what's on top of the whole who did you really beat thing? is the Chiefs weren't in there. Which kind of makes my point that we would miss the Kansas City Chiefs in the playoffs by the end of the day. We definitely did not. Oh, yes, we did, sir. Because if the Chiefs of old were standing there, we might have a whole different...

37:15Rich Eisen:Yeah, I just put it in a Chiefs take. I don't know why you spun this. Because it's tough to make it back to the championship weekend in back-to-back years. That's what I'm saying. Look at the commanders. We thought they were going to be there every single damn year. The Eagles had a chance to repeat. Didn't even make the playoffs. Neither of them made championship weekend. Right. That's what I'm saying. I know that's what you're saying. I'm backing it up for you. Thank you. You didn't have to bring the Chiefs into it. Except they didn't make it back to championship weekend this year either. Didn't even make the playoffs.

37:42Rich Eisen:Right. The Bills didn't make it back there. The Ravens didn't make it there at all. I could have went super hot and said one of these teams wouldn't make the playoffs. But, you know, championship weekend. No, you won't say none of them. Neither of them would make the playoffs. This is not a hot take. This is a proper reaction. With all due respect to both of these teams, It's up to them to prove us wrong. But odds are, history shows, it's tough to make it back. Yeah. To championship weekend. Certainly, when you are a defending champion, it's so rare. Two teams have repeated in what? Like 40 years.

38:13Rich Eisen:It's very difficult. We're both talking in the same cadence. It's not weird. So, well done. Good to finish up. Thank you. Thank you for letting me talk about how we missed the Chiefs at the end of the day. Can we edit that out? Nope. That's it for Overreaction Monday. Tuesday through Friday, we're emanating from the downtown convention center in Indianapolis every single day. We have got a guest list that is a mile long. All the coaches, all the GMs we can buttonhole, all the prospects, all the media members to tell you what's going on at the Combine every single day, 12 to 3 Eastern time. We're on ESPN on Monday and Tuesday this week.

38:50Rich Eisen:ESPN2, some back-end hours this week as well. So keep a peep us on a linear cable for Chris. I'm rich. Thanks for taking an overreaction Monday, right here on the rich eyes and podcast network.

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