NFL Power Rankings Of Non-Quarterbacks

2 Jul 2025 · 54 min · 16 chapters

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In short

The Rich Eisen Show discusses NFL “power rankings” focused on top non-quarterbacks entering 2025, plus a Week 1 win-loss preview for the Colts vs. Dolphins. The episode also pivots to golf as Brian Baumgartner promotes the American Century Championship and explains what it’s like to play (Stableford format, crowds, and his personal experiences).

Guests

Jerry Dulac (Steelers radio host and longtime chronicler of the Pittsburgh Steelers). Sam Amick (senior NBA writer for The Athletic). Brian Baumgartner (actor; known for The Office; also a frequent American Century Championship participant). Isaiah Hartenstein (Oklahoma City Thunder center; joins later in the show).

Key claims (NFL)

Patrick Surtain II is No. 10; Christian McCaffrey is No. 9; Micah Parsons No. 8; T.J. Watt No. 7; Maxx Crosby No. 6; Chris Jones No. 5; Jamar Chase No. 4; Saquon Barkley No. 3; Justin Jefferson No. 2; Myles Garrett No. 1.

Notable examples

“Saquon-type year” means escaping the Giants’ “morass,” not just stats.

Key claims (Colts)

Colts fans in calls predict losses to start the season at home vs. the Dolphins; Dolphins must “start fast” indoors.

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Discussion with Jerry Dulac

2:34 to 4:20

Rich discusses NFL insights with Jerry Dulac and upcoming events.

“Hour number two of the Rich Eisen Show is on the air.”

Win-Loss Predictions for the Colts

4:21 to 8:31

A caller shares realistic win-loss predictions for the Colts' season.

“So, Patrick, if you want to show me respect, I need you to crush the win-loss game and play it with passion.”

Discussion on Daniel Jones and the Giants

8:32 to 11:13

Rich discusses the implications of Daniel Jones' potential performance for the Giants.

“I do think Daniel Jones gets the start because guess what?”

Power Rankings of Non-Quarterbacks

11:14 to 14:00

Rich reveals his top non-quarterbacks in the NFL Power Rankings.

“And then the Steelers trade for Anthony Richardson?”

NFL Power Rankings: Non-Quarterbacks Discussion

14:00 to 19:22

Learn the rankings and insights on top non-quarterback NFL players.

Brian's Experience at the American Century Championship

21:42 to 28:00

Hear about Brian's experiences and stories from the championship.

“I have had people ask me, because the last round of golf I've played was with you.”

Meeting Aaron Rodgers at the Championship

28:00 to 29:39

Learn about the chance meeting between the host and Aaron Rodgers during a blackjack game.

“Is that where you became friendly with Rodgers?”

Behind the Scenes of 'The Office'

29:40 to 31:30

Discover interesting anecdotes from the set of 'The Office', including casting decisions.

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The Iconic Chili Spill Scene

31:31 to 34:01

Hear about the one-take chili spill scene and the challenges faced during filming.

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Memorable Moments from 'The Office'

34:02 to 36:54

Reflect on some of the most memorable scenes and the challenges of comedy on set.

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Golf Lessons and Improving Technique

36:55 to 39:39

Listen to a discussion on golf lessons and the importance of technique in performance.

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American Century Championship Predictions

39:40 to 42:00

Predictions and insights on contenders for the American Century Championship.

“when do we when do you find out pairings when does that come out wednesday night or is it or what or they've already figured it out based on?”

American Century Championship Discussion

42:00 to 45:00

A discussion about the upcoming American Century Championship and key players to watch.

“The American Century Championship, there are, what, 10?”

American Century Championship Discussion

45:58 to 46:56

A discussion about the upcoming American Century Championship and key players to watch.

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Start Bench Cut Game

47:04 to 50:50

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Brian Baumgartner's Insights

50:51 to 56:05

Brian Baumgartner shares his experiences and thoughts on the American Century Championship.

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1:55Rich Eisen:This is the Rich Eisen Show. The Miami Dolphins clearly feel that Ramsey's departure is an addition by subtraction. Live from the Rich Eisen Show studio in Los Angeles. Steelers Radio Network host and longtime chronicler of the Pittsburgh Steelers, Jerry Dulac, back in the program. You know, if they're on the back nine of their career, to me, they're putting out on the 12th green. Earlier on the show, senior NBA writer for The Athletic, Sam Amick. Coming up, actor Brian Baumgartner, Oklahoma City Thunder Center, Isaiah Hartenstein. And now, it's Rich Eisen. That's right. Hour number two of the Rich Eisen Show is on the air.

2:36Rich Eisen:Just had a hugout with Brian Baumgartner in our green room back here on the Rich Eisen Show. One of our favorites. Brian is here in support of the American Century Championship, which goes down in Lake Tahoe next week. You can check that out on NBC and the Golf Channel. And it's the 36th American Century Championship. I believe Brian is nearing the big 2-0 of the number of times that he's been there. I might be selling it short, but Brian's about to come out here, talk some golf, talk some good times with him, and get some advice from him. As a matter of fact, the last round of golf I played was with Brian Bonegarner prior to me taking lessons.

3:24Rich Eisen:So he has seen the suck up close and personal. But I'm better. I'm better. I promise. I promise I would. I hope so. I hope so. I don't think I'll be paired with him. I don't think he wants me to be paired. Do we know pairings yet? I don't know. We'll ask him. When do pairings come out and all that stuff? He knows. I mean, he's here in support of it, and he's been there over and over again. So he's coming out here shortly. Isaiah Hartenstein of your world champion, Oklahoma City Thunder, will be joining us in our number three. You got any Clipper questions in the chamber for him? What do you think?

3:57Rich Eisen:I'm sure he's not even thinking about his time with the Clippers. You know what I mean? Not at all. He got a chip. 844-204-RICH is the number to dial. Chris, I'll give you the choice. I give you the choice because I think some people want to play the win-loss game. Go for it. Oh, I was looking up your odds to win the American Series. I wouldn't if I were you. You're actually not last. What? Let's go Colts win-loss. All right, here we go. Patrick in Charlotte, North Carolina. What's going on, sir? Hey, Mr. Eisen. Hey, fellas. How are you doing today? Mr. Eisen. What am I, my dad teaching you French?

4:30Rich Eisen:What is that? Oh, yeah. You know, just a little respect. I appreciate it. No, no, no. So, Patrick, if you want to show me respect, I need you to crush the win-loss game and play it with passion. That's the way you do it. Okay, well, I'll tell you this. I'm a realist, okay? I'm not like one of these yahoos that come on, say 17-0, 0-17. I'm going to keep it real. Patrick in Charlotte, keeping it real for the Indianapolis Colts? Yes. Why are you a Colts fan, Patrick? Well, it goes back down to, I used to live in Pennsylvania. Okay. And my dad did not like the Eagles and did not like the Steelers.

5:08Rich Eisen:Okay. And the closest team that was nearby was the Baltimore Colts. Oh, Baltimore. more. Okay, so your dad passed it down to you. I got it. Alright, here we go. Give some music. Here's Patrick and Charlotte keeping it real and playing with passion to pay respects. What happens when they open up at home against the Dolphins? Well, Mr. Edson, I'll tell you this. They haven't won an opening game in probably 10 seasons. It's going to stay that way. They're going to take a loss right here. Alright, home for the Denver Broncos. Denver Broncos. Another loss. Denver's pretty good. Got better in the offseason.

5:43They're going to take a loss.

5:44Rich Eisen:All right, so then we're in desperate measures on the first road trip at Tennessee for Shane Steichen starting 0-2. What do you got? I'm going to take the first win. I think Tennessee's still in a rebuild mode. 1-2 at the Rams. Rams, I'm going to take a loss here. 1-3, home for the Raiders. I'm going to say it's going to be a close one. It's going to be a win. 2-3, home for the Cardinals. That's a win. Come on. Wow. Wow. Wow. That's real. 3-3 now at the Chargers. Chargers. They always play them bad. I'm going to take a loss here. 3-4 home for the Titans. They're going to clean sweep here. Another win.

6:31Rich Eisen:All right. So we're back to 500 at the Steelers. With the addition to Rodgers, I'm going to say this is a loss. Four and five in Berlin against the Falcons. We do good overseas. I'm going to take a win here. All right, so now we can finish strong, bro. I mean, we're coming off the bye at five and five at the Chiefs. What happens? All right, off the bye. Mr. Mahomes has never won against the Colts in the regular season, and that remains the same. This is a win. For the Colts, six and five. Home for the Texans. You're riding high. Okay, so Texans, is that the Texans? No, you're home. I'm going to take a loss here.

7:19Rich Eisen:Okay, 6-6 at the Jaguars. Haven't won in 14 seasons in Jacksonville. I'm going to take another loss here. 6-7 at the Seahawks. This will be a win, a big upset. Oh, 7-7, home for the Niners on a Monday night. I'm going to say a win here. This is another upset one. 8-7, home for the Jacksonville Jaguars. This is another win. 9-7, three wins in a row at the Texans. This has got to be for the playoffs. Win or lose, Patrick. We have been in this situation a hundred times, and I've been heartbroken a hundred times, and unfortunately, another loss. Patrick and Charlotte has the Colts at 9-8. A lot of real talk in there.

8:07Rich Eisen:Thanks, Patrick. I have one question, mister. It sounds like Mr. Jones is going to be our starting quarterback. If he has a Saquon type of year this year, does that put more pressure on the Giants' front office? No, because they got Jackson Dart. That page is turned, pal. Okay. Thanks for the call, Patrick. Appreciate it. That's Patrick in Charlotte. I do think Daniel Jones gets the start because guess what? I think he's going to beat out Anthony Richardson. And then guess what? if he doesn't do well it's easier to go from Jones to Richardson rather than the other way around you know if you wanted the competition you wanted Richardson to sort of have his lapel snapped and pay attention and like hey just because you drafted where you were drafted doesn't give you the uh tenure here it's not just your turf to have you have to earn it um if Daniel Jones at some point needs to be sat because of a lack of production going to Richardson and is a better move, I think.

9:10Rich Eisen:All those things together. And one last thing. That's now twice we've had win-loss for the Colts, and both Colts fans who called in gave them a loss at home to the Miami Dolphins to start the season. And, you know, the Dolphins, to me, are still a bit of a mystery. Okay? Now, them playing indoors in that fast team, And that's going to be a tough team to stop. Okay? But that's the day Jim Irsay goes in the ring of honor. It is going to be a highly charged crowd and a highly emotional day in Indianapolis to start the season. And Lucas Oil is going to be in full frenzy when Tom eats ball. So the Dolphins are going to have to start fast.

10:04Rich Eisen:is that the earliest week one preview for their colt stoffins game that i've ever given in the history of the rich eisen show july 2nd this game's on september 7th but i'm just for future win-loss players i i would kind of give the colts a win in that day but we just don't you know daniel jones we don't okay we'll see wouldn't it be amazing if daniel jones has a saquon like year gets another contract and the Giants fans are... Honestly, does it... You tell me. Define Saquon-type year. A year... Like 4 ,500 yards and 30 touchdowns? Here's why he says Saquon-type year. What he means is not like the equivalent of quarterbacking of 2 ,000 yards.

10:48Rich Eisen:That's not what it is. What it is is like free of the Giants morass. Now in a new spot and look at him go. That's what it means, Saquon type year, I believe. Not statistically, but just the general spirit of no longer in the Giants morass. And off you go. Redeeming. Thank you, sir. And then the Steelers trade for Anthony Richardson? But so, I don't know. He would be available. These are not crazy thoughts. Everything that we're just saying are not crazy thoughts. but if the Colts then give Daniel Jones a contract and he's like, is that egg on the giants front office? Well, if the giants have already moved on with Jackson Dart and they look pretty damn good with him, they're not having any egg on their face.

11:40Rich Eisen:A and B, do you think the giants fans would be like, good luck Colts? Cause we know what one good season from Daniel Jones in a contract year looks like after. Yeah. And the giants are still probably feeling pretty good with Malik neighbors. and Edil Carter. We would have to at least see it again out of Daniel Jones. At any rate. I have a power rankings list in advance of Brian Baumgartner joining us in studio. Power rankings are the top non-quarterbacks in the National Football League entering 2025 headed.

12:21Rich Eisen:Power rankings! There are many like it, but this one is mine! Power rankings. I got to be honest with you, dude. We're getting near the part of the calendar where the power rankings are going to be back to top 10 teams in the NFL. Let's go. We're getting close. We're getting close to just the traditional power rankings. But while we're waiting, stuff like this. Power rankings are the top non-QBs in the NFL, entering 20 to 25. Number 10 on the list is the reigning defensive player of the year. I'm putting Patrick Sturtan II right here to start us off with a nice bang. I don't know how he couldn't be on this list I know everybody thinks the Broncos are still needing to prove something and no one talks about them but I would say this it will be a toss up between the first drafted fantasy entity for the Broncos would it be the defense or Bo Nix in your fantasy draft good one So I'm putting Patrick Sertan II right here.

13:26Rich Eisen:I like it. He needs to be on the list. Correct. Number nine, he's not going to be on many other people's list because once you have a season racked with injury, people forget about you and just like, okay, that doesn't matter what happened before. How do you not think Christian McCaffrey is still one of the top non-quarterbacks in the National Football League, if healthy? I haven't forgotten about you, Christian. He's going to have a chip on his shoulder, too. i understand oh god i don't know two achilles type injuries look out right i get it i get it i don't know tj uh-huh i got it i'm putting mcafrey i'm i can't i'm i'm not gonna forget about it all right number eight the first pass rusher on the list your guy micah the lion of dallas i'm putting micah parsons right here okay number eight on the list putting above him number seven on the list tj watt flip a coin if you want i understand one's younger than the other i understand tj watt had a bit of a drop off last year micah's on the rise because he's younger i don't i don't know man you could i could have said tj watt seven eight and micah parsons seven you want to argue it i don't know somebody would so don't worry about okay i know you would those are my guys there and then i'm putting another pass rusher here again number six on the list the condor max crosby i think he's set for a monster season another step up he is exactly the type of guy that pete carroll loves to have i don't know that's true and tell me tell me if you can make an argument is this the best edge rusher pete carroll's ever had that's a hard to answer okay out the blue right now because you talk about legion of boom in seattle you're not talking about edge rusher who can come up with 20 sacks in seattle you just don't no i mean michael bennett was pretty awesome i got it max crosby you might be right and is also the type of guy who i think is is is the is a guy who's going to be gobbling up what pete is telling love max might have had the other two guys ahead of him okay number five on the list another defender never really gets said enough defensive player of the year love i gotta put a chief here chris jones chris jones is needed to be on the list chris jones is right there at number five he cracks the top five exactly and not not on my power rankings list number five here all right now there's gonna be a run of offense i i went all over the place on this one like back and forth but i'm putting jamar chase here and i I know that might be too low for some.

16:03Rich Eisen:Some might have him number one. I got it. But Jamar Chase is four. Saquon is three. Saquon is three. Number two is Justin Jefferson. That's the way I'm ranking them. I'm going Jamar fourth, Saquon three, Justin Jefferson two. And I think the only reason why people wouldn't have Justin Jefferson to top all these folks is because they don't believe in the trigger man in Minnesota. But Justin Jefferson is still the man, the best, the guy at the position in the NFL, with all due respect. And the fact that he's above Saquon also shows you how much I appreciate him. And number one on the list is Myles Garrett.

16:53Rich Eisen:I think that's right. I mean, dude is 29 years old, and he turns 30th on the 29th of December. He's just large and in charge. And I think with Mason Graham in the middle of that line, he's just going to feast in a way that makes him think, okay, I did come back for championships instead of being the champion of my bank account. So Myles Garrett is the top player in the NFL that's not a quarterback coming into 2025. Okay, here we go. All right, we'll get one more. And the same way that you forget about him, you forget about him, and he always packs a wallop. Whenever he shows up on screen, you're like, oh, man.

17:38Rich Eisen:Don't do it. Yeah. Please don't. Oh, yeah. Chris. I did it. He's going to do it. It is. Let me grab this kendo stick. It's Einstein. Don't forget about him. Oh, jeez. Man, you're doing so well. bro you were doing so well it's einstein you're the worst i don't think so i don't think so personally if there's any word for it i think it's uh i think it's brilliant the fact that it took me that long to realize that that's no okay people don't talk about him because of his age right he does pack a wallop oh you actually have one it's derrick henry derrick henry's one oh interesting derrick henry is one more buddy interesting so I would have had Derrick Henry instead of CMC and then you're missing a lineman.

18:25I would have loved to have seen Tristan Wirfs or Lane Johnson. I got you. I got you.

18:30Rich Eisen:I got you. I'm going to give you one more too on top of the one. You have one more. I did not know this. That's my boy. A flyer. A flyer. I'm taking a flyer. At the end of the day. Travis Hunter. Travis Hunter. may wind up on this list okay yeah all right sure because everybody i just said does only one thing unless you want to say okay chris jones rushes the passer and stops the run i mean you could say that about any of the defenders yeah that's true travis hunter by the end of the day of the 2025 season may be on future such lists for years to come. I can't wait to see it. And that's my power rankings of the top non-quarterbacks in the NFL entering 2025.

19:26Rich Eisen:Don't do it, he says. He says, don't do it. It's just like that moment when it hit me. I am going to keep Paul Giamatti's Einstein alive for a long time. That's the problem. I'm still scarred by it. Is Paul paying you royalties to keep this going? I think the other Paul who would love to have me keep going is Rudd. You know, he loves that. He loves that bit. Yeah. Kaput! That's right. It will never be that, sir. Kaput! Never.

19:58Rich Eisen:Okay, I just giggled at that. I made myself giggle. Brian Baumgartner, a great human, one of our favorites, back on the Rich Eisen Show. We're going to talk golf. We're going to talk American Century Championship golf next on The Rich Eisen Show.

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21:24Rich Eisen:Only one way to introduce this man. Ladies and gentlemen, on the first tee, here in this Rich Eisen show segment from the American Century Championship, Brian Bonkai. Thank you. Thank you very much. I know you're about to hit it straight. I'm going to just pipe one right down the middle, Rich. Damn straight. You know me. I'm piping it. You are piping it. Good to see you, man. Good to see you. How's it going? I'm fired up. Yeah. I am. I'll be honest. I have had people ask me, because the last round of golf I've played was with you. Yes. And it was one of those moments where I thought to myself, you know, what am I thinking?

22:01Rich Eisen:Self? But self, like what am I thinking saying yes to the American Century Championship, except for the fact it's just a great time. You know, it's an incredible time. Oh, my God. I describe it as my favorite week of the year. It is the hardest week. Why is that? Not to scare you. There's just a lot. I mean, look, I don't know. Spoiler alert. We're not professional athletes. Except there are many professional athletes in the field. Right. And even they actually get nervous. And my favorite thing actually is having the professional athletes complain about having to walk the eight mile walk around.

22:39It's not the same as little spurts of speed hitting someone or whatever. In the altitude, yeah, I mean, there's an endurance factor. So there's that. There's a lot of people. And, you know, they very clearly don't want interaction with the fans. They want it run on time, on schedule. shout out to Mike Millthorpe we'll do our best but still you're signing stuff you're taking pictures there's like a it's a it's a it's a it's a show it's a show we're putting on a show at least

23:09Rich Eisen:me I understand why I'm there and I'm gonna take the same approach I know there's a Wednesday night conversation between the tournament and us right in the field that's what we're gonna hear like keep it moving a little bit keep it moving yeah but I'm a people I'm a crowd pleaser man yeah I'd like to think I am. You know what I mean? But I cannot wait for it. Brian Baumgartner is here. The 36th American Century Championship Tournament begins next week, Wednesday, July 9th through Sunday, and it's played at the beautiful lakefront at Edwood Tahoe Golf Course. Check it out on NBC. Brian Baumgartner is here.

23:49Rich Eisen:What number tournament is this for you? This is 18. 18. Yeah. One per hole. it only yeah right i wish uh it only means i'm old i think i um it is such a pleasure to be out there but i need to talk to you about the first tee shot okay oh because the number of listen the last round of golf i played was with you yes and so you've seen the uh challenges um yeah and and so then the few people who have done this before said to me what were you thinking about doing that that you're going to be nervous. You're going to be fine. Here's the thing. Thank you. It is the Stableford format, right? Which means it's essentially by hole.

24:28The most difficult thing to do is when a hole is over and has gone poorly, as they will for all of us, you have to forget it. You have to forget it and move on and make par of the next hole. Right. There is a cap. Double bogey. It's not like you can make a 12. If you make double bogey, you go minus. You pick up? You pick up. Okay. Double bogey. That's the worst. I have no idea. The worst you can get in a hole is minus two points. Minus two points. Yeah.

24:59Rich Eisen:Yeah. Why do I not remember? I did this 21 years ago. You did before me. It was such a fog. Yes. My memory of it is such a, the only thing I remember, you know, screw it. I'm going to be totally honest here. I played with Derek Brooks and Jason Taylor two days in a row because we were right around the same. Right. Get it. You know, talent level. I had the same success. The only time I could ever say those words about me, Derek Brooks, Jason Taylor, right on the same talent level. And I didn't know you could bring your own caddy. Yeah. So I got one assigned to me from the golf course. Great dude whose name escapes me.

25:34Rich Eisen:He helped me out immeasurably. And me being a Michigan man, he put wind beneath my wings to tell me just what a horrible, horrible person it was to loop for Lou Holtz the year before. And it was. So that just made you happy. It was like when I was thinking how bad am I? I'm like at least I've got a smile on my face and I'm going to tip the guy at the end of the round. Well, yeah. I mean, so I don't mean to drag you into my pettiness. But other than that, I don't remember much about it. Yeah. When I started, I was like, yeah, I need a local guy who knows the greens. And he was great. Yeah. But I bring a buddy now.

26:12You were out there a long time. I say that. How long in the round? Did you say like four and a half? I think 18 hours.

26:19Rich Eisen:No, but the neat thing is it's a great watch. And I'm excited because it's a great watch on TV. It's a great watch on TV. It's unbelievable. And it just looks so much fun to play in it. And that I do remember. It was fun, fun, fun to play in it. The experience, the people that I have met there, that's what keeps bringing me back. I'll tell you this quick story. I don't remember if I told you this before. Go ahead, please. Last year, after the round, thunderstorms are coming over the mountain and they know there's going to be lightning. We are sort of told they're going to blow the horn. And I was done for the day.

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26:51And I'm sitting in the bag room like, okay, we need to get out of here before they blow the horns and everybody's trying to get out. Let's go over to Edgewood Lodge. I'm talking to Dylan Dreyer from the Today Show. Nice. And I say, let's get into the lodge. Let's get an espresso martini and get ahead of the group. And in the back, we thought we were the only ones in there. in the back of the room i hear i'm in we're like who's turn around look in the back it's baker mayfield oh baker and i had not had not talked to that point had not really hung out and we'd said like the you know like casual hellos over over the years yeah we went in we had an espresso martini or two and hung out the rest of the week and texting during the season this year like like yeah like We really had a real friendship born out of this dumb moment there where we just wanted to have an espresso martini.

27:50And to me, that story is like what the event is. It's quarterbacks. It's NFL legends, NBA legends, other actors, singers. It's really special. Is that where you became friendly with Rodgers? It is. Through this American Century Championship? My very first one. in fact the day that we met yes was the new was the day this is 2008 the day that farve said i'm not retiring we were sitting next to each other at a blackjack table there are blackjack tables there in lake tao yes sir and he's sitting next to me and i don't know who he is i don't know aaron rogers well i knew sure once he introduced himself like oh you're the cow guy you're 18 years ago.

28:38You're Favre's back. Like I knew who he was, but I didn't recognize him. Yes. He was a fan of The Office and we just started a relationship there. And on the screens they had like, you know, well, a TV show station that was running Sports on Loop. You can figure out which one it is. And they were saying like, Favre is not retiring. What's happening to Aaron Rodgers? And we're literally sitting next to each other on that day. And that's, that is when we became friends. Yeah. Is that right? Yep.

29:13Rich Eisen:So was it an awkward moment or were you just like during the conversation? It was more like I, and, and look with, with all those guys, like to me, the fact that I've gotten to know, so like the last thing I'm ever going to do is like, Hey, what's your game plan this week? Like, I've got, you know, Saquon on fantasy or Briggs Hall on fantasy. Like, what are we going to do? And I'm like, no, that's their business. So I don't ever do, I don't ever engage in that way. But it was very, so I didn't say to him, like, what are you going to do? Like, Favre's not coming back. And it was pretty quick. I might be from it, right?

29:53Or something like that. That looks Rogers young enough right there. That was Rogers. That was, he ended up coming with me. I'm going to forget what it was. I think it was an Emmy party. Okay, cool. A party for the Emmys or maybe the Screen Actors Guild Award or something like that.

30:07Rich Eisen:I literally was going to say to you, you probably bonded over it. Like, he strikes me as an office guy. Like, he would like the office, you know? Yeah, I mean, I don't think this is, I don't think, I think I can say this. I got him on the show. He was on the show. I forgot about that. The second to the last episode. They had it scripted that we read the script for the last, the last or second to the last, I think they ended up putting him in two episodes that kind of took the story. Yes. And they had another athlete scripted. And I knew him. I knew he was a fan. He had come and visited set. And I went to Greg Daniels and I said, so is this name here, this other athlete, is this just a name?

30:48Yes. Or would you be open to Aaron coming? And he was like, if he would do it, totally. And I acted as the casting director. I remember calling, having conversations with Allison Jones where she's like, all right, well, tell him this is the money. And I was like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. If he wants to do it, he can make a phone call to you. You guys can do it. And I know, I don't think he would be bummed that I said this too. For a while, he never cashed the check. He had it framed.

31:15Rich Eisen:Dude, that makes sense too. I mean, you know, it's not like he's needing it. Well, okay. Yeah. So, but that makes sense. Early days. No, I'm kidding. I'm kidding. I'm kidding. that's that's cool man yeah man so maybe that's why baker was saying hi to you because he thought maybe you could put him in something cast you can get him in something that's true i never thought about that you make kings i never thought about that he didn't really like me he just wanted a job or maybe it was the espresso martinis talking yeah probably that is fun man uh brian bongartner here on the on the rich eisen show i know we we haven't talked about it off because we don't talk about like uh you know your show or back in the day with the office uh but we might have talked about it the last time here when you had your cookbook but the the scene with spilling the beans all over the floor did you how many takes did that take did you did you that was one take that was a one because you knew that was one take well like there was a lot there was a lot of pressure that day and it was there was a lot of whisper because i was there by myself there was There's nobody else, the rest of the cast, they were all gone.

32:23And I remember, I remember Phil Shea, who worked in props and the set decorators kind of coming over to me like back channeling. And they were like, Brian, we have three carpets. And I was like, what are you talking about? We have three carpets. And they had assembled, I mean, in this studio, like carpets that would be bigger than this, that went from the front door around like the reception desk over to where Dwight and Jim's desk was, to Michael's office, because they didn't know exactly how I would spill it, and like me spilling on the real carpet would be an unmitigated disaster. So they had that, so what you're seeing there, that's all carpet on top of carpet.

33:07Yeah. And they were very concerned that if they got, if we didn't get it in three takes, that we would be screwed. And I think there were people who didn't know there were only three. And so they came and obviously it was just about the spill. Thankfully that worked out. And I think, as you can see there, I think we had extra clothes. Oh, you can look at my hands. That was the thing I remember for days. My hands were an orangey. For days? Color. You couldn't wash it off? No. I mean, I remember they had a, you know, sometimes they had a playback thing set up so they could see what they had. And I remember as like wardrobe is peeling the clothes off me.

33:46and I'm looking and I'm like, please say we got it. Please say we got it. Please say we got it. And they were like, okay, we got it. And then like, I've never showered with more people. Just as they're peeling stuff off and trying to get. Yeah. And I had a dinner actually with Oscar Nunez and Angela Kinsey that we had prearranged because of course they had a short day that day at Mastro's in Beverly Hills. And I show up still smelling of chili. Oscar I remember he ordered he makes these grand he's like yes we'll have the seafood tower you know like the raw thing couldn't it was just like I couldn't eat it it was the smell it was

34:28Rich Eisen:hours old chili hours old yes not homemade warm delicious chili I'm sure you get that all the time what is your favorite office episode or scene if you could choose one the one that you're like that's the one yeah it's tough to say uh rich but i that one i never imagined that that would we would still be talking about that one um probably the one that i think back on now um actually i'll be slightly sentimental okay i think a lot of the the scene in the finale where we're all together and Creed plays this song that was an original song that he did, which was the sort of like sentimental moment.

35:17I remember that, but also in terms of, I will never forget me sitting on Carell's lap as he's dressed as Santa and that, the comedy of that and me not being able to not laugh and then feeling bad because I keep having to sit on his lap. It was a whole thing. So how many takes did you get through all that? That one was more like a hundred. It definitely was not. It was not one. And I think that's one, even in the end, that you can still see people laugh. Actually, the one where I never couldn't laugh, Kevin is at the vending machine with Holly. And Holly believes that Kevin has some issues. And he has money in his hand.

36:03He's trying to decide Kevin. Speaking of myself in the third person. Weird. but trying to decide what to get. And she goes through and she says, this is a quarter. And she's telling me what the value of the money I have in my hand. And then she picks up and says, this is a button. And it was something about the kindness in her eyes and her having, and just the joke of her having to explain that this was a button that I might not know. I couldn't not laugh. I couldn't not laugh. And finally I realized that that was gonna cut directly into, I'm totally gonna bang Holly. And so I was like, well, if I could just make this a wry smile and not a full on laugh, I think that'll cut together pretty well.

36:46So that one for me, I never got through that and didn't smile. By the way, just hearing the Kevin voice

36:52Rich Eisen:just come back like that. What do you mean?

36:57Rich Eisen:Yeah, I know. Oh, my gosh. Actually, Baker's wife, when she met me after the espresso martini incident last year, was like, you don't really talk like that? I was like, no, I don't really talk like that. Did your husband go like this around the house? No. Character. That is so funny. All right, in the few minutes we have left here, Brian, you last saw what my swing looked like. Yes. Okay. and uh you were kind you were kind because um i wasn't turning on the ball you weren't turning but you were aware of you not turning correct yes i'm i'm you know and um with some choice words for myself for yourself about turning okay i have uh and that day that day as soon as i got off the course i called my wife and i called suzy and i said to her i have to take lessons i've got to do this and I'm going to I'm going to work it into our schedule and she's just like you have she's basically her answer is like what have I been telling you so so like I'm like I like seriously that day I'm like I cannot keep this I can't show up in Tahoe at the American Century Championship this way so I have taken several lessons Lucas Wald what's up shout out to Lucas I want to show you I want to show you this was my final swing of my last lesson from two days ago oh okay so I want you to see it and i want you to give me your honest assessment if this looks anything like the guy you saw right here 250 with a draw he wants 250 with a draw here we go that's a turn rich there you go it's going to the right a little but it's all right that's okay it's fine it's right it's right down the middle it's yeah it's final you know what they say yes that'll play that'll play right if it's 250 on a screen up in tahoe right probably 330 i'm gonna feel i'm to feel like king kong right yeah but seriously like no it looked did it look be honest it looked different it looked it looked very different stuck i think is the word dude that i would say it was you were stuck dude you were you were a fun round of golf to play with i had a you know if i only you know didn't you know spit up all over myself that day i would have enjoyed it a little bit more but you're you're just you're a great playing partner i will say that here in front of everybody it was a lot of fun i appreciate that yeah you know and we'll do it again and now you've got a new swing i hope i hope it does feel repeatable like i i the first day i actually he's like you you're basically not turning and i'm like what do you mean and he starts showing me and the next day i woke up i'm like why am i sore and it's just don't listen to me at any rate uh when do we when do you find out pairings when does that come out wednesday night or is it or what or they've already figured it out based on?

39:50Rich Eisen:Here's the thing. There are a lot of, there's, um, there's a lot of complainers or, or people who want to offer their insight onto the pairing. Oh, so this is my guess. Have I treaded into some waters here? The Lake Tahoe waters I shouldn't be treading into? No, I think they probably know exactly what time on Friday morning that you'll be teeing off. Oh, I see. I got it. They will not tell you until a time that they won't. Once it's there, it'll be done. Like, it'll be posted. It'll be up. Everybody will know. So you can't be like, hey, actually, I want to play with Brian at 1045 or whatever. Oh, because there are some early.

40:33Rich Eisen:So you're talking about some people who want to go. Time or who they're playing with. I don't care. This is more you get. No, no. I'm not saying you're complaining. No, I'm just going to say, I'm going to be real easy. Just stick me with whoever. I'd love to play with you, but I mean, I'm not in your handicap area. Well, Rich, according to the oddsmakers, they've seen your new swing. What are you talking about? Rich, you have better odds to win than Brian. That's not true. Brian Baumgartner, you are 1 ,000 to 1 right now. Yeah. Rich Eisen, you are 500 to 1. I can. You have a double chance to win.

41:06Rich Eisen:in front of everybody here in the studio watching on the roku channel listening to us on terrestrial and satellite and streaming radio i say to you brian bombgardner yes i am sorry about that okay because there is no way i've played with you i've seen you play multiple times yeah it's that That is, I don't know if I should be saying this because, you know, there's people wager on this stuff, but there's not a chance. There's not real money should not be spent. I will, which you should do as well. Talk about things. Your green room, you've got some nice stuff on the wall. I have betting slips of myself just because I think it's cool.

41:56Just because, like, betting on myself, like, having just whatever I want to bet, whatever that piece of paper is worth. Yeah. That, to me, is worth it. Look, here's the thing. The American Century Championship, there are, what, 10?

42:11Rich Eisen:10 guys that have a shot? Seven. You think? There's about seven guys who have a chance. I don't know. Somebody could catch fire. I mean, the only reason I up that number a little is I would not, before Steph, shout out, Steph, you're the goat, I would not have put him on the list. Like, he got, I mean, my favorite thing that he did when he won two years ago was thank the Lakers for knocking him out of the playoffs. That's right. So he had more time to practice. So I'm sure that there's a couple of guys. Austin Reeves might be kind of a sleeper. Like there. So maybe 10, 12, you know, it's, it's Steph, it's Tony Romo, Smoltz, Annika Sorenstam, Joe Pavelski is really good.

42:53Rich Eisen:I mean, Taylor Twellman, I think it'd be a sneaky pick. Taylor Twellman has got, he's got some game and, and you know, he was not, he came on the show last year. He was top 10 last year. He was pissed with the way he played. Come on, man. Smoltz is serious. He wants to win. He's won all of the other big celebrity events. Isn't that amazing? By the way, this is what golf is, and obviously the American Century Championship will do. Hall of Fame, World Series, the only thing missing for him. He's sports Emmys. He's got sports Emmys based on his next, latest career. The only thing missing is that.

43:36Rich Eisen:And of course, a Michigan State football championship, which will never happen. I love it. Marty Fish, 62. He has a course record at Edgewood at 62 during the tournament. And isn't he playing left-handed and he's not really like he's right-handed dominant or the other way around or something like that? He's a lefty golfer, but I think he's a righty tennis player. He plays tennis right. Yeah. I believe so. He's amazing. He's so good. Didn't he say something like that to us last year? Because he came on after he won. Yeah. Which you will do in a couple of weeks. After this year? Yes. We'll have you back.

44:11The number of hole-in-ones, and I only say that because it's stable for us, so it's weighted, right? It's not just minus two. You get like eight points. Yeah. I would have to have five hole-in-ones, I think. If I had five hole-in-ones and played well. So you're saying I've got a chance. days then i could maybe win charles barkley's at the bottom 7500 to one yeah but see he's playing

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47:03Rich Eisen:Before you leave, I'd like to play a game that we've created here called Start Bench Cut, similar to that, you know, blank Mary kill game that we always used to play as kids. Okay. Did we as kids play that? Well, or as collegiate or adults or last week. Yeah, last week. We call it start bench cuts. You can have to start somebody, bench somebody, and cut somebody, and we have a Game of Thrones theme to it. Yes. All right. What's the first one, Chris Brockman? What do you have for Aaron Rodgers? The first one is your favorite Game of Thrones character. Okay, hold on. So give him the three. Khaleesi, Jon Snow, Jorah Mormont.

47:38Rich Eisen:Start bench cut? You have to start one. Start bench cut. Bench one and cut. I'm starting Khaleesi, Mother of Dragons, Breaker of Chains. Mm-hmm. I am benching Jorah, and I'm cutting John. Cutting John. Wow. You can't have any rivalry. John, he's trying to, you know, that's his aunt, but he's trying to get in there. Oh, my gosh. We got to cut John. Didn't see that. Okay. It's cutthroat. Because we also knew, one of the many times we had conversations, you're a big Jorah fan. I am. I am. And now that he's got the race go out, you know, he's back. So that John Snow's out. And John's out. He could be in.

48:14Okay.

48:17Rich Eisen:I don't think that matters. Yes, Game of Thrones. Give him another one right there. Okay, the nastiest MF-er on Game of Thrones. You have to start one. You have to bench one and cut one. Ramsey Bolton, Walder Frey, Joffrey. If it's nastiest, I mean, you got to start Ramsey. He's the worst. I mean, he is the woke, right? He's the worst of all time. Worst of all time. I'm going to bench Joffrey because he's close. The stuff that he did. I mean, Sansa's put up with all this crap from the men in her life. She needs to pick better men. Exactly. And so I want to base it for a, he's up there, but his death was exciting.

48:54So you cut him.

48:55Rich Eisen:He's out. He's out. Okay. Well, which he actually was, in fact, cut. Right. Literally from all that. Okay. And then we'll just do one more favorite movie. Okay. The three choices are Shawshank Redemption, The Fugitive, You've Got Mail. Start, bench, cut. I'm going to start in The Fugitive. I mean, Tommy Lee and Harrison Ford, fantastic. The best, right? I'm going to bench Shawshank, phenomenal movie as well. And I'm cutting You've Got Mail. He loves You've Got Mail. It's not even the best Tom Hanks, Meg Ryan movie. Exactly. Yeah, but it's modern times. Online and all that stuff. Sleepless in Seattle?

49:35Rich Eisen:That was like a phone call on a radio show. Yeah, but you've got dial-up. You've got dial-up email. Come on now. You guys are wrong. Roger's saying it's not even the best Tom Hanks, Meg Ryan movie. As funny as it gets. And I don't know, Brian Baumgartner here, you can attest. Is Roger the only person in the history of acting to be in both The Office and Game of Thrones? Ooh. Was there anybody else in The Office who wound up on Game of Thrones? Can't imagine. I cannot imagine. There you go. There you go. But if you missed it, you could miss Rodgers if you blinked on Game of Thrones, not on The Office.

50:17Rich Eisen:No, he was there. Yeah, he was there. You put him in there. Yeah, I think that's it. That's got to be it. There's not a lot of stuff other than that. Anyway, that was Rodgers at the Super Bowl that the Eagles beat the Patriots. And You've Got Mail is still a top three movie for you still, Chris? Love that movie. Okay, there you go. It's not even the best Tom Hanks Meg Ryan movie. He's wrong about that. Top three? No, I'm just kidding. I just really like it. He just likes it, and we were... Making fun of me. Yeah, which we do frequently. Why not? Brian Baumgartner finishing up here on the program.

50:51Rich Eisen:We were basically talking about, and I stopped you in the middle of everything to get our commercial break in. I mean, I understand. You've got to pay the bills. I do. So the American Century Championship, you're going to... I think you're going to... I smell top 30 for you. I do. Top 20, top 30. There's 92 in the field. That's top third. I think you're top third. Yeah, I think now, I think that progressively, I mean, I don't want to scare you. There's going to be about 80 ,000 people out there. That I remember, too, that there's people upon people upon people. And there's more people now than there was 21 years ago.

51:26Rich Eisen:There's many more. I don't have a problem performing in front of a crowd. That's never been my issue. No. And I feel, again, I have the tools over the last few weeks of lessons. I've got tools. I've got tools. I understand what I need to do. I've got a clue. Yeah. As opposed to the last time I was out there. I was calling for a light switch for four and a half hours with you. Yeah. I mean, the opening tee shot. That is it. Okay. I'll be fine. That's the tough one. And it's either on one or ten, right? That's it. It's not a shotgun start or anything like that, correct? No. No, no, no. Correct. One or ten.

52:05Right. Yes. But they're right next to each other. One and ten. like you can't tee off at the same time okay and so there's a lot of people congregated okay and it's not about performing in front of the people it's just it's just i mean professionals talk

52:21Rich Eisen:about their first tee shot oh yeah you got you got this rich you got it all right okay thank you you got it greatly appreciate that uh brian bomb gartner thank you for coming on this program you're the man thank you i appreciate you having me i do have to ask because i noticed it of course right away the best dad ever yes sir is that is that a is that a world's best boss is that an ode no no no no nice uh no this is a father's day gift i received i don't know how many years ago i decided you know it was so touching that uh my kids gave this to me with the price tag still on the back uh that i haven't taken it off all these years later no no uh and i just you know accounting for inflation I think my children's love for me has grown since$24.95 oh I mean that's that's a lot for this thing that must be real fake metal real fake metal everybody no it'll be I'm just gonna keep my head down go through my you know we're gonna have a great job checklist and how soon can one get an espresso a martini there oh as soon as you want is that right yeah as soon as you need throwing one back some people and then going to the first or 10th tee some people feel that helps swing oil some swing oil yes nerve calmer okay i don't think that's a thing nerve calmer uh whatever it is yeah you could or wait till after okay either way so um the wednesday night conversation that we have we get we get our marching orders if you will about how we're supposed to play this tournament yes uh thursday i'm in the uh pro-am are you in the program on thursday i i'm i'm playing most of the week okay great i'm there monday rich i'm playing in the i don't work anymore i'm there i'm there monday so and then there's a thursday pro-am and then you're saying sometime thursday night someone's going to tell me what my my time is and maybe wednesday okay maybe wednesday oh and by the way i'm winning the karaoke it's gonna happen i'm judging it great so you you just i'm I'm telling you right now.

54:26Rich Eisen:My confidence level is high. Oh, okay. Oh, yes. You're revealing the song or not? I can tell you what it is right now, sure. Oh, really? I'm going back and forth. It's Sinatra. Okay. Is that a strike against? No. Okay. Oh, the judge is. How many people are in this contest? Whoever signs up. Okay. How many people normally sign up? Probably not many, but probably not many of the athletes are willing to go put themselves out of that lane. I will tell you right now. Yes. With all due, everyone has a chance, obviously. Unlike the American Century Championship, everyone has a chance at karaoke. But if we were handicapping, there are two front runners.

55:06Who are those? Alfonso Ribeiro. I told you. I told you. That's not cool. What else? And Travis Kelsey. Okay. Travis Kelsey, and I will say, with all due respect to Travis, he brings the energy, which is great. also American Century is headquartered in Kansas City oh okay I've got the cards are stacked

55:28Rich Eisen:cards are stacked hour three coming up cards are stacked yeah

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