In short
The Rich Eisen Show discusses the Dallas Cowboys trading 26-year-old elite pass rusher Micah Parsons to the Green Bay Packers, and then pivots to Seattle Seahawks DE DeMarcus Lawrence’s move to Seattle and what it means for the Seahawks’ 2025 season.
Guests (backgrounds)
- DeMarcus Lawrence: Veteran NFL defensive end; spent 11 years with Dallas; now with Seattle; Boise State alum.
- Chris Fowler: ESPN college football broadcaster.
- Tom Pelissero: NFL Network insider.
- Mac Brown: National Championship-winning head coach (Texas).
- (Also referenced: Jerry Jones interview; plus Rich Eisen and callers.)
Key claims
- Cowboys made a major “addition by subtraction” mistake by trading Parsons for defensive tackle Kenny Clark to address run defense.
- Parsons’ value and contract leverage (reported up to $47.1M/year) make the deal hard to justify.
- Lawrence says he’s “zero” concerned about locker-room fallout and is focused on Seattle’s team vibe and readiness.
Notable examples
- Cowboys’ inability to stop the run “at key times for several years.”
- Packers’ Week 1 opener vs Detroit, then Cowboys vs Packers Week 4 at Dallas; Parsons expected to be “problematic.”
Written by AI. May contain mistakes. Listen to the episode to check what was said.
Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOFootball Talk Begins
1:15 to 2:24
Rich Eisen introduces topics about the Cowboys and upcoming guests.
“Would this suffice as breaking up with the team?”
Micah Parsons Trade Discussion
2:24 to 7:27
Rich discusses the implications of Micah Parsons' trade from the Cowboys.
“And boy, Adam, our call screener, is up in Adam right now.”
Jerry Jones' Perspective
7:27 to 12:09
Exploration of Jerry Jones' comments and perspective on the trade.
“And you don't do it at the outset of a season because the draft considerations you're getting, two firsts, you can't cash till next April and the April after that.”
Locker Room Dynamics
12:09 to 14:00
Discussion on the effects of the trade on the Cowboys' locker room.
“to the Jordan Love is going to beat Mike McCarthy team.”
Analyzing the Trade Impact on the Locker Room
14:00 to 23:22
Discuss the implications of Micah Parsons' trade on the locker room dynamics and team performance.
“There's some people in that locker room even.”
Interview with DeMarcus Lawrence
25:43 to 28:01
DeMarcus Lawrence shares insights about his transition to Seattle and reflections on his time in Dallas.
“In less than two minutes' time, that's when we'll bring in Tank Lawrence, by the way, whose agent I adore.”
DeMarcus Lawrence Reflects on His Career Transition
28:01 to 32:30
DeMarcus discusses his move from Dallas to Seattle and feelings about recent trades.
“You know, like you said, sleeping great.”
The Seattle Seahawks Team Dynamics
32:31 to 35:30
DeMarcus shares insights on the Seahawks' current roster and coaching vibe.
“How good can this team be based on you being around teams in Dallas, knowing how good you have been with them?”
Fan Reactions and Emotional Connections
37:14 to 40:50
A fan expresses gratitude to DeMarcus for his contributions while he reflects on fan support.
“Joining us, the Seattle Seahawks are hosting the San Francisco 49ers in nine days.”
Jerry Jones' Quest for Another Lombardi Trophy
41:35 to 42:00
Rich Eisen questions Jerry Jones about his desire for another Super Bowl win.
“Terms apply at SoFi.com slash debt play.”
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Jerry Jones Reflects on Championships
42:00 to 44:28
Jerry Jones discusses his desire for a fourth Lombardi trophy and his history with the Cowboys.
“What you don't have is a fourth Lombardi trophy.”
Previewing Upcoming Guests
44:28 to 44:50
The hosts tease upcoming segments and guests, including Chris Fowler.
“It was five years ago and two partners ago.”
Analyzing Green Bay Trades
44:50 to 51:57
The hosts analyze the recent trades made by the Green Bay Packers and their implications.
“Chris Fowler is going to join us from Columbus, Ohio.”
Confidence and Super Bowl Contenders
51:57 to 54:43
Discussion on team confidence levels and potential Super Bowl contenders, including the Packers.
“It's got to – this is good times rolling.”
Transcript
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1:11Now, on with the show. How about the Cowboys? This is the Rich Eisen Show.
1:19Rich Eisen:Would this suffice as breaking up with the team? We need to stop the run. We need to get the ball back. Kenny Clark was a big part of this. Live from the Rich Eisen Show studio in Los Angeles. Michael Persons gets traded. Holy crap. Today's guests. Seahawks defensive end Demarcus Lawrence. ESPN announcer Chris Fowler. NFL Network insider Tom Pelissero. National Championship head coach Mac Brown. And now, it's Rich Eisen. All right, everybody. Welcome to this edition of the Rich Eisen Show. Thrilled to say, right here on the Roku channel. We are right here on Roku. 844-204-RICH is the number to dial.
2:08Rich Eisen:Here on the Infinity Sports Network. Here on Sirius XM and Odyssey. And it's always great to start a program. Look down and see every phone line lining up. Is something going on? I just don't know if something's up. something could be up. We might talk about it in a minute. And boy,
2:32Rich Eisen:Adam, our call screener, is up in Adam right now. Good to see you over there, Chris Brockman. How are you? Rich, I'm super. I don't know about you. Thanks for asking. Good to see you over there, Jason Filler. How are you? What's up, Rich? Doing great. Y 'all want to get up and give the man in the corner? I kind of do, actually. Everybody, Chris is getting up and giving TJ a hug. He's lighting candles. He needs a hug. Ladies and gentlemen. You got your blenders on though, huh? You got your prime blenders on? It's going to be okay. It's going to be okay. You got your prime blenders on over there?
3:06I got the blenders on. It's a dark day here over in the corner, Rich.
3:12Rich Eisen:I think that's what we're here to talk about. Everybody, listen. Oh, baby. Hold on a second. Thank you. everybody knows here I love being right oh gosh I love being right and this entire time you were saying I was saying this whole Mike and Jerry stuff is part of a negotiation we had Michael Irvin on yesterday he said it's part of a negotiation I'm like yes you're right Michael it's part of a negotiation this whole business this hold in this trade demand this Jerry Jones tour of saying weird stuff that makes no sense. That, by the way, ironically, started with Jerry telling everybody at the outset of training camp in Oxford, now California, to tell Cowboys fans, you can sleep fine.
4:06Rich Eisen:And I thought, all part of a negotiation. And I'm saying here, to start this program, my bad. I was wrong. I don't like saying that. You promised. I don't like saying it. He doesn't know what he's talking about. And the reason why I was saying it is because why would one trade a 26-year-old top-flight pass rusher? And that is even, maybe even understating how good Micah Parsons is at his job. And you don't trade those guys on the outset of a season for draft considerations. Now, the Dallas Cowboys did get a player back. in a trade. His name is Kenny Clark, and he is a three-time Pro Bowler, and he plays a position that the Dallas Cowboys are in desperate need of fixing.
4:59Rich Eisen:Defensive tackle, middle of that defensive line, stopping the run. It's been a problem. I did not see a trade of Micah Parsons coming. I didn't see it coming within the conference. Didn't see that. Didn't see it to, wait for it, the team that of of Micah's tenure I'll say it effed up the Cowboys maybe more than any other team they eat our lunch not just I'm not just saying that just once but I'm talking about the way that they beat the Cowboys a couple of years ago to one and Dunham as Jordan Love began to come into his own and clearly make it obvious to everybody that he was talented enough to trade up for in the first round and antagonize Aaron Rodgers and make him wait while Aaron Rodgers was done with his job in Green Bay.
5:51Rich Eisen:Made it. Made sense. Just absolutely screwed up the Cowboys in a way that we're here now. Unbelievably, they traded Micah to Green Bay and Green Bay gave him a contract total that That is, wait for it,$48 million more than Jerry paid for the Cowboys when he acquired it. That's how much this contract is worth, or he can get up to. Proving the point, at$47.1 million per year, proves the point why you have an agent and why you let an agent handle a negotiation and oddly enough we'll find out tom pellicera is joining us in the middle of this uh program oddly enough um i don't know if um ed policy the new man atop the float chart in green bay or Gutekunst personally negotiated it with Micah first and then got pissed when Micah said talk to my agent.
7:11Rich Eisen:Don't know if that happened in Green Bay. So you don't trade top flight pass rushers for defensive tackles. You don't trade 26-year-olds for 30-year-olds. I mean, that's pretty much the way things work in the NFL. And you don't do it at the outset of a season because the draft considerations you're getting, two firsts, you can't cash till next April and the April after that. And the first draft choice you get in the deal, if you do it before draft, you know exactly where that draft choice is. I mean, the Cowboys, you have to hope, hope against hope, that at best, these Packer picks will be in the late teens of a first round.
7:57They won't.
7:58Rich Eisen:They won't be top 10. That's not going to happen. Not with Micah Parsons sacking people. So we all knew once this happened, despite how talented Kenny Clark is, and despite how poor the Cowboys have been at filling that hole that Kenny Clark fills, that when Jerry Jones stepped to a microphone with Stephen Jones next to him on Thursday after the trade, that it would be for this salesman, right, Jerry Jones, the football equivalent of ice in winter. and it didn't really help matters first that jerry jones was all pie in the sky about kenny clark's arrival because this now helps the cowboys stop the run uh but the facts are uh uh specifically uh we need to stop the run and we haven't been able to stop the run at key times for several years.
9:10And when you have the kind of extraordinary pass rush that Michael had, then the way to mitigate that pass rush is to run at you. If the pass rush doesn't get you ahead pretty big time and you're playing even or behind, then you've really got a problem in stopping the run.
9:34Rich Eisen:And the other part that people are talking about, that soundbite was the one of many times that Jerry referred to Micah as Michael. I'm wondering if it's our buddy Irvin. He was, you know, conflating, obviously. He knew he was talking about Micah, but he kept saying Michael over again. One time, Stephen, he even had to correct him, which didn't help matters. And obviously, if you stop the run and you create third and eight and you can't sack the passer and it's now a fresh set of downs on third and eight. That's the problem. You can, listen, I know they've had trouble stopping the run, but at the expense of trading away Micah Parsons.
10:10Rich Eisen:Now, I don't know how many times we say this on the show, so we'll repeat it again for those who may somehow be new here. There's always an iceberg in the National Football League. We only see the tip. and there has been an absolute obliteration of trust between the Cowboys and Micah Parsons that caused the Cowboys to sit down and say, there is going to be an addition by subtraction here because it's a massive subtraction. You got to look past again everything I just said. You don't trade defensive ends for defensive tackles because it's much easier to dominate a game from the defensive end position than the defensive tackle position.
10:57Rich Eisen:Again, you can name multiple big-time pass rushers in this league. But the people that can affect the game the same way from the middle of the defensive line, that's a much smaller subset. The Giants have one. The Rams used to have one. The Chiefs have one. Boy, do they ever. Just to name a few, okay, of teams, from Dexter Jackson to formerly Aaron Donald, to Chris Jones. So it's tough to figure this thing out unless there's something to the whole business of the Cowboys had grown tired of Micah Parsons and all of this stuff going down the way it did. Every single answer Jerry gave had the subtext of not saying it, but saying it.
11:53Rich Eisen:that they're better with Micah gone. Tough roughs to figure out, but he kept saying it over and over and over again. Any regrets on the way things went down between him and Micah to lead Micah to go to green? He's a Packard. I can't believe he's a Packard. He just sent him to the AFC. They sent him to the... I can't believe it, man. The Descott team. to the Jordan Love is going to beat Mike McCarthy team. Dude. Any regrets, Jerry? I am very excited about, very excited, beyond any consideration of a regret, of the consideration that we got in this trade and to have the player. I'm very excited about that.
12:44It is more in keeping within my mind what's in the best interest of the Dallas Cowboys. In terms of things that were said in the media about the agent, any things like that, is there any things that you would do differently if you were to go back? Oh, no. No, not at all. Nothing at all in terms of regret. You mentioned you're asking if I regret. No, I don't regret that at all. you know I'm very very excited about the prospects of what we've done for the Cowboys here I wouldn't have done it I wouldn't have done it I had total control over being able to have it the other way so I'm excited we got what we wanted again it sounds
13:35It's crazy.
13:37Rich Eisen:But think. Again, I'm trying to find one for you here, TJ. I'm trying to find a silver liner for you here. Because something was up. Something was up. And I don't think it was just the negotiation with handshake this, handshake that. Jerry had a number in mind. He was willing to sign, keep with Micah. And all you hear, coming out of Dallas, there's some people in that front office. There's some people in that locker room even. Yeah. I mean, again, do you have that locker room soundbite? He was asked. He was asked if there's any concern about the locker room. The effect on the locker room. 26-year-old elite pass rusher gone, 30-year-old defensive tackle with three Pro Bowls, understood, coming in.
14:18Rich Eisen:And that's it. You just traded Micah for Kenny Clark for the 2025 season. The future considerations are down the road. That's what they are, considerations in the future. For this season, you traded away Micah Parsons for Kenny Clark. That's what you did. Here's his answer. Not at all. As a matter of fact, I like what this does. From the locker room. No, if you say if I'm worried about the locker room, I'm absolutely zero worried about the locker room. That's not meant to diminish anything here. I'm just not concerned at all about the locker room. But it takes a lot of players to play this game.
15:03Locker room knows that we just got a lot of good players.
15:06Rich Eisen:I don't think, again, he's referring just the roster. Do you? You know what I mean? No. I'm telling you, Chris, you're a Red Sox fan. You thought trading Devers away was crazy, and it turned out to be an addition by subtraction, right? I did, yeah. Okay, and it was from a vibe standpoint. I'm not spinning. I'm not covering. I swear I think that's what Jerry's talking about here. Whether that's right or wrong. Here's what he said. Somebody asked him about, hey, what about the rest of the locker room in terms of, hey, we draft you, you ball out like Micah balled out, and then this is what happens?
15:38Rich Eisen:What do you got to say to players in your own locker room about that? You're in Micah at 12 plus sacks in each last four years, very productive. For other Cowboys players coming up the line, they see how this negotiation with Micah went. How would you answer their question, well, gee, what do I have to do to get an extension if Micah can't get one? Ask Dak. Highest paid man in the NFL.
16:07There's a lot of players that they could ask that have been paid down around here. I'll pay players.
16:13Rich Eisen:So what makes this different? Because we wanted to look and see if we could do what we did.
16:24the benefits of the trade made it different. Ain't no mistake about it. We all know we could have signed Micah. But we decided to go with the trade.
16:33Rich Eisen:Decided to go with the trade. Because you can't say, boy, we need to stop the run, so let's trade away a generational pass rusher at age 26. You can't say that. And he's like, we could have signed Micah. I could have paid him$47 million a year. He could be here. He didn't want to do it. Why not? Ego. I don't know about that. If it's ego, then that's a massive problem. If there's something going on, and again, do yourself a favor, anybody out there who knows anybody in the Cowboys organization or anybody in the business who knows, we're going to talk to Pellicera about it too. Now, Micah can prove that all wrong and go out and ball out, and I think he will clearly.
17:19But that's not the problem, though, right?
17:20Rich Eisen:I give you the floor, TJ Jefferson, because you have now, I've laid out the case. Yeah, you laid it out very great. Just touching on what you just said, him going out and balling, right? That's not the issue. That never was the issue because he's proven he could ball. It has to be, like you said, something internally, something going on in that locker room, in that team, because you don't just let this guy walk. For two firsts, by the way. Not for two firsts, to the team who constantly eats your lunch, to the team that constantly, like you pointed out, kicks your butt every single time you play them.
17:56Not to a team that you're going to have to see. If you want to get to a Super Bowl, when they go deep in the playoffs, eventually you're going to have to see them, right? Why would you do it? For two ones? That's like, Chris, when Luka got traded, right? And you found out what the Lakers gave up, and you're sitting there like, are you kidding? That's all it took? And they did the same thing. in their own division network conference like i i'm i i wouldn't say rich i'm shocked but i don't think i am shocked because that's why i wore my joker shirt today a clowns because that's what this is this is a clown show like this isn't a football organization anymore this is a brand this is a marketing uh unit but and as far as football playing yeah everyone says we can't stop the run, right?
18:44Yeah, true. But again, you don't get rid of this guy. It's like cutting off, what is that saying? Cutting off your nose to spite your face? Yeah, come on.
18:52Rich Eisen:Stopping the run is important and getting somebody as good as Kenny Clark is great, but at the expense of one of the best at it, one of the best we've ever seen in the first four years at it, only other player to have 12 or more sacks in the first four seasons. I'm sure you've heard this stat, not just here, but all over the place. is Reggie White, who also, like Micah Parsons, went from the NFC East to Green Bay and is now going to put Green Bay in much better footing to win a championship this year and beyond. We'll talk about the Packers aspect of this later on, but in terms of the Cowboys right now, doesn't make them better for 2025 at all.
19:37Rich Eisen:We'll see what they can do with the draft choices. Jerry did say this doesn't preclude us from using them during the season. teams don't trade. I mean, players during the season, the first round draft choices very often. I know he did that once with Amari Cooper, right? And I understand that Minka Fitzpatrick once upon a time went from Miami to Pittsburgh for that, but you're counting on the number of one hand the way these things work. It's just tough to sell it. It is ice in winter. The guy 100 % didn't want to pay Micah$47 million a year. They weren't comfortable doing it. Trust between both sides have been obliterated, destroyed.
20:23Rich Eisen:Because none of this else makes sense. If it's for ego, I won't make a deal because of the way it all went down, then shame on them. if it's for something else that we just will not pay$188 million to this player. Talent over everything does not apply here because the everything needs to be removed from our system for the new coach and for, I mean, Matt Eberflus. Do you know who was in Chicago when the Bears trade away, Kaleem Mack? Eberflus? Yeah. So that's now twice for him. Yeah. Wow. Um, so crazy, crazy, crazy. It's really the most wild way for this story to end and for essentially the non-playing season to end, because we were all wondering, I was saying it's all coming down to whether he's getting on a plane next Wednesday to Philadelphia and he got on a plane to Green Bay instead.
21:25Rich Eisen:And he's now going to be there getting ready for a massive week one home date against the lions. ball him up roll him at jared goff and dallas will then now take on philadelphia without a guy you just look at all the metrics you see on on socials from all the the the analytics folks one after another after another they are clearly a better team with micah parsons than not and it does not matter if you stop the run if you can't stop the pass in a passing league None of it makes sense unless they were just 100 % done with him, done paying him, done playing with him, and they were just finished with it.
22:13Rich Eisen:And that, hey, Brian Schottenheimer, now it's up to you to do what Alex Cora's done without Devers and go with the young kids and trust the process. And the Red Sox have shocked the world. Maybe your Cowboys can. I think you losing Mookie Betts is a closer thing. No, I'm just, but in all seriousness, I'm talking about this year. When they traded Devers away, they're like, what are they doing? Oh, all these young guys that really, now you're going to make the playoffs? Yeah. And it's going to be on Schottenheimer to do it. Tall order. When this is so out of order, good luck. Guess who's first up?
22:57Rich Eisen:We had this booked in advance. He's here courtesy of Sleep Number in a second. Demarcus Lawrence, who once upon a time signed with Seattle and said he couldn't win a Super Bowl with Dallas. I wonder what he thinks of this, and obviously we'll talk about his new spot at the 12s. Chris Fowler on the eve of Lee Corso's final college game day appearance on ESPN. Tom Pellicero on what the F is happening. And you at 844-204-Rich in a what's more likely Friday. Rich Eisen here for Gusto. After all these years talking to athletes, coaches, entertainers, and people at the top of what they do, one thing is pretty clear.
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25:52Rich Eisen:David Cantor is one of my favorite human beings I've gotten to meet. Oh, yeah? Yeah, I love him, man. And that's not because you ply me with so much wine, David. But he's one of my favorites in the National Football League as well. Oh, and money manager of the Stars, Don Weir, handles his money as well. Tank Lawrence is one of my favorite players. He's giving personal information of Tank Lawrence that he probably did not know in advance of his appearance here on the program. Are you all right? I mean, seriously. Yeah, you know. I mean, in the big scheme of things, like in the... Stop it. I'm talking about sports, obviously.
26:26Are you all right?
26:27Rich Eisen:Yeah. You're the Cowboy fan here. Because... Dude, Carl Anthony Towns was blowing my phone up. That's fine. I think he even tagged you on an Instagram post. Yeah, he did. And here's the deal. Because he ran the trade through Madden. Madden Simulator. And Madden rejected the trade. Yeah, yeah. And he tagged you. Yeah, it's cool. You gotta love that. I took it last year and ha-ha hee-heed over it. Not anymore. It might have to get personal this year. One week from today, you might get your newest business. And that's fine. I'll accept that one. But I'm not putting up with that all this year. Yesterday afternoon, driving home after the show, I'm on the phone with TJ.
27:06Rich Eisen:And that's when it happened? Your text comes through. I think the trade just happened. I'm on speaker with TJ, Bluetooth in the car. I go to Schefter. Yep. Go to Tom. Yep. Ian, yep. Oh, my gosh. We stay on the phone another half hour, breaking it all down. We're both watching the network. Like, I'm on ESPN. Like, wait, nobody's saying anything. Then I get a dozen tweets yesterday. Yo, you check on TJ? Yo, TJ, all right? We almost check on TJ. Hold on. Do we have the text that Kat sent me yesterday? Carl, did you tell? Here it comes. Here it comes. Yeah, I think we have it. You know the movie Sleepless in Seattle?
27:41Rich Eisen:Not this guy. Because he's got a sleep number bed. How about that? how about that to welcome in courtesy of sleep number demarcus lawrence how are you demarcus lawrence how are you sir how we doing i'm doing well i don't know if you've heard us chit-chatting while you're waiting to come on patiently thankfully thank you yeah i was waiting for you to get on my social security number next oh yeah i just know your agent i know your money guy i know them all you and i man we know it we know a lot of the same people um and uh you are are you in the beautiful pacific northwest right now demarcus yes i'm out here enjoying my nature with my trees and you know my beautiful atmosphere so most definitely well i mean you know i mean you went to boise state which isn't too far away right i mean like so it's not like your first uh stroll through these woods in a way correct right pretty much um how are things up there in Seattle for you so far.
28:39Thanks for going good. You know, like you said, sleeping great. Nice. Body is healthy. You know, team is doing amazing. So, yeah, just ready to kick the season off.
28:50Rich Eisen:Have you heard the news about where you used to be? Did that filter to you in any way, shape, or form? News of where I used to be. Where you used to be in Dallas? Anything like that? Hit your phone the last couple of hours? DeMarcus Lawrence? You talking about the trade? wait a minute let me write that down um yes i'm talking about the trade um what are your what's your opinion when you heard about micah being traded to green bay demarcus uh no opinion uh all honesty you know happy for him he got paid you know um shoot you know cowboys i mean i'm here now so you know i ain't got none no no no listen i i know i know i know you've you've turned the page and i promise you i promise you this you and i are going to talk about the seattle seahawks a lot over the next few minutes definitely okay that said though i mean um is there any part of you that's sitting there saying if you got rid of micah don't you think you could have kept me Is there any part of you?
30:00Rich Eisen:You know what I mean? They kind of could use you right now, DeMarcus. I mean, to be straight up, you know? I mean, straight up, like, you know, I had a sense of the business, you know, as a young kid, you know, coming in. And, you know, I understood, you know, things like this could happen or, you know, I can up and be traded one day or the team want me, you know, as a player one day. So, you know, I mean, it's a part of the game, you know, and, you know, I'm happy where I'm at right now. I feel like I'm in a great position. So, yeah, man, I get to write my own history. Exactly. And obviously, and you've got, again, a very talented team in which you could do it.
30:44Rich Eisen:And just another question on this, and I, like I said, promise you, we will move on. But the conversation, and I think you kind of alluded to it, too. You went back and forth with Eleven briefly during the spring about podcasting and things of that nature. There was an undertone to all of this that something was going on behind the scenes with Micah and the Cowboys that Jerry was alluding to in a way in addition by subtraction here. Is there any truth to that, DeMarcus? So you're asking me to speak for Jerry right now? I'm not saying that. I'm just speaking from your own personal experiences, I guess.
31:27Rich Eisen:Let's put it this way. Let's put it this way. Sort of like a sleep number, right? All right. You know, all right. So, you know, my sleep number setting is 70, for instance. So let's just say 70 would be closer to the scale of, yes, there's something there. There could be addition by subtraction. And then like 30 is like, no, not so much. It's much softer, right? You know what I mean? so what number would it be comparing it to sleep number i don't feel like you know a lot of people in the world get the experience of the good quality sleep you know that sleep numbers provide so boy uh i'm gonna say on a on a zero scale oh okay okay you know because they don't they don't really know you No.
32:16Rich Eisen:All right. So the bottom line is, though, you've turned the page, and there's nothing to be said about you and Micah Parsons and the Dallas Cowboys. That's basically what you're saying right now. Not at all. Okay. Very good. All right. Moving on to the Seattle Seahawks here on the Rich Eisen Show with Demarcus Lawrence. How good can this team be based on you being around teams in Dallas, knowing how good you have been with them? Where do we compare? DeMarcus?
32:48I mean, we're pretty high up there. Just, you know, from our head coach all the way down, you know, to, you know, shoot. I mean, it's hard to say all the way down because, you know, everybody plays a key part in our, you know, in our league. And, you know, our offense is doing a great job. Our defense is doing a great job. Special teams are clicking, you know. So it's just really, you know, bringing it all together this next weekend, you know, kicking it off on Sunday against San Fran.
33:22Rich Eisen:And Mike McDonald, your head coach, how has the vibe been there in comparison to previous years of you being in Dallas? Again, as a comparison of your current situation. No, we got a great vibe. You know, Mike is doing an excellent job as our head coach. You know, he's he's the youngest head coach I ever had. So, you know, just his sense of humor and, you know, the understanding, you know, that we actually grew up in the same, you know, you know, time area is unique. You know, I never looked at myself as, you know, the old man in the locker room. But now, you know, having a young head coach like this, you know, I definitely feel like the old head.
34:13Rich Eisen:Yeah, you're only about five years apart, pretty much. How does Darnold look to you, DeMarcus? Sam? Yes, sir. Yeah. Sam's looking great. Felt like him and Clint hit it off pretty well. And, you know, he's basically in the perfect position and, you know, right system, you know, for him to make a lot of plays this year. Okay. I've got none other than DeMarcus Lawrence here on the Rich Eisen Show. So what is your relationship with Sleep Number, and what should we know about it, DeMarcus? Yeah, man, Sleep Number is the best. You know, over my last six years, I upgraded my sleep by getting a Sleep Number bed, and it helped me out so much with my sleep quality, especially with my babies running around and wanting to lay with Dad.
35:08So, you know, being able to, you know, set my settings, like you said, to 70 or, you know, some nights I have to go all the way down to like a 45, you know. Yeah. So, you know, it can hug me back. But yeah, so, you know, really, you know, love sleep number. I'm just happy that we was able to, you know, make this partnership work.
35:33Rich Eisen:And how old are your kids, your babies? shoot i got six months on the fourth of september um four 11 14 and 19 damn that is a full house and a handful for sure and you know um you know obviously 11 years in one spot in the nfl 12 years in the nfl is remarkable period 11 years in one spot and then to move to another one is not easy certainly when you got kids like that and family. So I know it's not simple. Best of luck to you on that front. TJ, do you want to say something to Tank Lawrence before we send him on the way? TJ Jefferson is our resident diehard Dallas Cowboy fan and a big fan of yours.
36:18Rich Eisen:Yeah, yeah, for sure. And I'll be straight up, Tank. He needs a hug today. And you have the floor, TJ. I know you don't want to talk about things in the past, Tank. You want to look to the future, and I respect that, man. But just as a Cowboy fan, I want to thank you for the time you put in. You know, you and the hot boys made watching football fun for me, man. So hate to see you go, but I'm excited to watch what you do with Seattle, brother. Stay healthy and keep doing your thing. Respect to you. I appreciate that, man. Hey, hold your head high, bro. You know, you got brighter days to come. Okay.
36:53Got to, right. Okay. And I'll be paying attention to the Seahawks a little bit more this year. He's hugging you for sure.
36:59Rich Eisen:He's hugging you back. Just like his bed. Yeah, just like his bed. He's hugging you back right now. He's a human sleep number. Yeah, he's hugging you back. All right, DeMarcus, thanks for the time, man. Appreciate it. No problem. Y 'all have a good one. You got it. That's DeMarcus Lawrence, everybody, part of Sleep Number, the official sleep and wellness partner of the National Football League. Joining us, the Seattle Seahawks are hosting the San Francisco 49ers in nine days. Listen, I tried. He doesn't want to talk about it. I had a feeling. No, no, and I understand it. I understand it. But if, and I'm not doing this to stir it up.
37:33Rich Eisen:I swear to you, I'm not doing it to stir it up. You're a journalist. But if there was nothing there, he would have been like, no, there was nothing in the locker room. This makes no sense to me. You know, Micah's, Micah's my dog, right? But I heard stuff like that. I'm telling you something's up. It'll be up to Micah to start putting all that to bed. None of it makes sense. Yeah. Let's go to Chris in Texarkana, Texas. Take his phone call right there. He ain't happy. Chris, are you not? I'm in about the same shape as TJ. I'm ticked off, aggravated, want to kick Jerry Jones out of the state. Keep going.
38:19Rich Eisen:What do you want? I feel like we're here for you. We're listening. TJ would get this. I'd like to hit him with the spear and the Superman punch.
38:31Rich Eisen:Would you like to translate for those who are not wrestling conversant? That means he wants to go Roman Reigns on Jerry and then hit him with a form tackle and then a punch out of nowhere. And not only that, he sends him out of town and he sends him to Green Bay. Of all places, man. That's a rough one. Come on. The only thing worse would be trading him to the Redskins, the Eagles, or the Jerks. Exactly. Or the Niners, Chris, or the Niners. Or the Niners. Yes, or the Niners. Those five teams, no. Yeah, that's what kind of hurt the most, right? Well, Jerry said the reason why he said that the trade participants were only those who, A, had the cap room to sign Micah, and B, had a player that would fit what they needed, and that's Kenny Clark.
39:20So by using the cap room, it's making it seem like he's doing them a favor.
39:23Rich Eisen:Well, let me just say this. I know you just said you never heard of Kenny Clark, Chris. Hey, I don't think it's him. No, no, no. He's really good. He's a good player. He's a very good player, and he's exactly what the Dallas Cowboys have needed in the middle of the defensive line, but the whole idea has always been to get him while there's also Micah. Yeah. Right, like that's the idea. While we have somebody that can put a hurt on hurts. Exactly, Chris. Chris, do you need a frame Rich Eisen show, bro hug where we're just we're going to extend here we go and the bad thing is rich i've been a fan i'm i'll be 55 in september i've been a fan for about 54 of those 55 years i go back to roger stallback tony dorsett yeah you do do you need one of these release of fandom um no certificates okay all right okay i'm still a Cowboys fan, but I am not a Jerry Jones fan.
40:24Rich Eisen:Thank you, Chris and Texarkana. Chris, I'm going to give you a pound through the screen. There we go, ladies and gentlemen, Chris and Texarkana, Texas. Work it out. Did he refuse a Rich Eisen show, bro hug? I don't think he refused. I think he was still... I think he's in his feelings. One does just not mess with Texas. I knew where that was going. Alright, when we come back, we'll look at the Green Bay side of things. Andrew Bogus joins us. Chris Fowler after that. Tom Pelissero after him. O 'Reilly Auto Parts gets you back to savings. Buy five quarts of Syntec full synthetic motor oil and get a free micro guard select oil filter.
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41:40Rich Eisen:The NFL bringing the country together around a television set or if they're fortunate to be able to go to a game if the local ordinances allow it. It's so huge. That said, for you personally, you have an embarrassment of riches. You've got a beautiful family, a beautiful stadium. You're the guardian of the star. You've got a bust. You've got a Hall of Fame ring. You've got a jacket. What you don't have is a fourth Lombardi trophy. How bad do you want it, Jerry Jones? How badly do you want this? Well, Rich, like you said, you've been around for two decades now. And you haven't seen us raise that trophy.
42:18I did ask the man upstairs when I got the third one. I said, if you'll give me this one, I'll never ask again. I'm asking. I'm trying to retrade that deal. And so to the extent that he's listening to us, and I'm sure he is, I will do better. They've got some things that I could offer you to get that trophy. On the other hand, you know, that's why we're here. That's why I'm involved. A lot of people say and relate us to financial, but I was fortunate, lucky, and I had some resources, and I used it all to buy the Dallas Cowboys, every bit of it to buy the Dallas Cowboys back 30 years ago. I came here to get to be a part of a team that could compete for the championship.
43:12not a greater place to compete and start than in this new stadium in Englewood, California. I was born about a block and a half right at the end of the LAX runway. I had a little house out here during World War II, and I was born right there in Englewood. Well, that's, I didn't even, I never, I never knew that, Jerry Jones.
43:39Rich Eisen:I never knew that. That's truly unbelievable. I never knew that that's where you were born. And again, I'm excited for this season. And on behalf of everyone at the NFL Network, greatly appreciate your support for our network, for all from Jump Street to now. And then just for me personally, I want to thank you. I truly appreciate it.
44:02Rich, I've watched you handle Michael Irvin and Deion Sanders. Anybody that can keep them in their place deserves to be the star of the network.
44:11Rich Eisen:Jerry, I really appreciate that. That means a ton. Best to your family and good luck for the season. We appreciate the call. Thank you. Thank you, Rich. You got it. Thank you, Rich. You got it right back at you. Thank you. That's Jerry Jones here. Back in 2020. That's five years ago. YouTube.com slash Rich Eisen Show. It was five years ago and two partners ago. Like that peacock stuff on the screen right there. I know. Geez. Wow. Yeah, we're going to obviously talk a little bit more about partnerships and things like that later on. As you can see, I'm wearing my Roku purple today, purposefully.
44:48Rich Eisen:We'll talk about that later on. 844-204-RICH is the number to dial. Chris Fowler is going to join us from Columbus, Ohio. Nice. And I promise you, because he's joining in support of talking about Lee Corso, whose final game day is tomorrow. I promise you I will not take a shot about not being allowed I don't know if you're able to I will not drag Fowler down to my level Chris is at a very highfalutin level he's a tennis man as well don't forget let's talk about this trade from the Green Bay side of things I've been around the block with Green Bay fans starting with NFL Network starting in 2003.
45:38Rich Eisen:The one individual that caused me to call Susie and say, guess what? It's going to be a while until we get to see each other again. Because Brett Favre is doing this or that or waiting to make this decision or that decision. And I sit next to Mooch. Right? Just came back from the Packers' hosted draft. So I'm familiar with Green Bay fans. Murph. Once upon a time got banned from this show. Know a lot of Packers fans. Know a lot of Cheez Hits. And throughout their time with NFL Network and following it, how many times I would hear Packers fans go, is Ted Thompson going to do something out of the ordinary?
46:26You know?
46:28Rich Eisen:Are we going to do something that is out of the box? make a splash slow and steady doesn't win every race and now here we are in 2025 and i understand they that was pretty big move with rogers and farve and pretty big move with and rogers and love but here we are in 2025 and in the span of it's crazy four months four months they draft a receiver in the first round at a draft they host in front of everybody in the parking lot of Lambeau Field and Matthew Golden and then take advantage of a massive contractual standoff between Jerry Jones and his prized pass rusher who they wisely drafted and 100 % seasoned and they take advantage of that impasse and make a big time move big time move two firsts i get it guess what doesn't matter if there's a trophy in the case at all and the way the packers are looking at it it's damn near the only thing that they'd be missing here is contractual control of a player because it's a first round pick because this is almost a second round pick in their minds of how good they are so they went and get Matthew Golden, we're going to get a first round wide receiver and we're going to get Micah Parsons on the outset of the season.
48:03Rich Eisen:They traded Kenny Clark for Micah Parsons with all due respect to Kenny Clark and I'm sure he's going to wear this as a chip on his shoulder going to Dallas. You do that 100 out of 100 times. You do that 1000 out of 1000 times. No matter what you might hear about Micah in the locker room if there is something going on in Dallas because Dallas is definitely saying it without saying it and everybody tells me in my ear there are some people in that organization that are happy that he's gone i hear that all the time just weeks of copium i maybe so could be i don't know good word and and and it makes sense the way you're using it but what this does is i mean brian guticun turns to matt lafleur and says you are welcome yeah exactly i did text matt lafleur and say hydrate now that i said now That's one way to hydrate.
48:56Rich Eisen:I did text him. You did? I did. Hey, here's the first round wide receiver, and here's one of the best pass rushers in the league. On the outset of the season. Go get him. This is now, you know, this is now a guy who is with Rashawn Gary on the defensive line. Go hunt. Rashawn Gary might be now a lot freer. Lucas Van Ness, who they drafted, they're waiting for him to sort of kick in. Maybe that helps him. And what a jolt to the locker room. Hey, everybody, you got the Lions. We got the Lions coming in week one. And they're the ones who've been ruling the roost in our division. And now we got the Lions.
49:31Rich Eisen:And now they got the Lion, who refers to himself as a Lion, a Penn State Nittany Lion. Here he comes, roll him downhill at Jared Goff, and then have him. By the way, do you know who he sacked for his last sack as a Dallas Cowboy? Jaden Daniels. Look who's coming in on Thursday night. just five days after their opener against Detroit. Jaden Daniels, the guy who went further than them in the playoffs last year, if I'm not mistaken, eliminated them from playoff contention last year. Micah, you know, Jaden, go get him. And then week four at Dallas. Unreal. The only group of people more ecstatic than Packers fans yesterday were NBC sports executives.
50:24Rich Eisen:Week four. Even Jerry was asked about that yesterday. Micah will be problematic. Yes. Very problematic. I'd suggest that we get ahead and run the ball.
50:45Rich Eisen:Which is, again, another question mark about the Dallas Cowboys, but this is about the Green Bay Packers. they tell their fan base we are all the way in they tell their locker room we are all the way in Micah and Jordan Love we're in a Micah's podcast together they seem like thick as thieves already another young player to this young team with a young quarterback turning 27 same age that Favre and Rodgers won their Super Bowls in Green Bay. All these young receivers, they are now going to walk around like they are Super Bowl contenders because of this trade. True or not, it is a massive boost of energy.
51:30Rich Eisen:Massive. That could translate into a big-time season. Got to play the games. Got to be healthy on the receiver. world right now. We're all wondering who's healthy there. Whatever. Whatever. But this is just, you know, a big-time swing. And the Brewers are already showing folks in Milwaukee and Wisconsin how they're swinging. It's got to – this is good times rolling. Good times rolling for Green Bay. Yeah, I've got some friends that are Packers fans, and they are annoyingly happy. May I ask you this? Annoyingly happy. TJ Jefferson, the man who was the most strident, stringent gatekeeper of Super Bowl contenders amongst our group.
52:28Rich Eisen:I was going to wait till the radio. Do you just, I'm asking you now, do you put the Green Bay Packers in as your eighth Super Bowl contender this year? No. You do? Yes. I would, I have them in already. I think I did too. Well, no, I definitely have them in. Yeah. And again, there is a mental, there is a component of confidence in any sport. Individual sports, you could see it. Just look at a U.S. Open match that can be served out. You got to be confident. Look at, you know, golf. Tommy Fleetwood, right? Took him 164 times here in America to finally get his$10 million paycheck. Confidence. One of the things I was talking about, how will the Eagles look this year?
53:28Rich Eisen:With Jalen Hurts now coming in saying, yeah, I want a Super Bowl. I'm a Super Bowl MVP. Now, he doesn't wear it on his sleeve, and you know he's the king of hard work, do your business, all that sort of stuff. But he's now walking around, and the Eagles are walking around with the confidence of Super Bowl champs, MVP. Packers are now like, we got Micah Parsons. And we're coming for you from the NFC North. And that's going to count for something, and you got to give it up to Guttekunst for doing it. And for, I guess, the new man in charge there, Carmen's son, Ed, for saying, pay him 47.1 per. Bring him.
54:15Rich Eisen:Let's go. Green Bay Packer football. Feeling better today. Chris Fowler coming up next.
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