Super Bowl LX: Seahawks' Dynasty Chances, Patriots' Next Steps

14:04Rich Eisen:They had one of the best drafts last year. So I can't sit here and say they're going to miss the playoffs. I think they will be a vogue preseason choice of being out of the playoffs. I think you're right. As one of those teams and all of our preseason shows. Who's coming in and every year there's a change of the guard and there's six new playoff teams or whatever the hell it is. Super Bowl hangover. Right, and so you got to take one out to put a new one in. Correct. I think the Patriots being one out. For sure. Will be a hot choice because at that point in time, Joe Brady will be talked about in Western New York.

14:41Rich Eisen:Like, you know, he's the modern-day Curly Lambeau. Sure. So, you know, or at least in the mind's eye of Josh Allen's finally got this, he's finally got that. Maybe they make a nice splash here and get him a big old toy like A.J. Brown or something like that. I don't know. All I'm saying is that, but the easy path narrative, I was sitting there a couple times saying, do we miss the Kansas City Chiefs in this Super Bowl? No, stop it. Yeah, baby. Yeah, I was. Stop it. I mean, that first half was a brutal watch.

15:11Chris Brockman:Was there a bet on you saying Mahomes during the – I thought it was just Collinsworth. No, no, no. I didn't see that. Would it have been a better Super Bowl with the Texans?

15:22Rich Eisen:It would have been a better Super Bowl with the Broncos. Well, not with Stidham. That's correct. With Bo Nix. That's correct.

15:29Chris Brockman:Yeah, yeah, yeah.

15:30Rich Eisen:What else you got over there?

15:31Chris Brockman:We should have known, Rich Eisen, that it was going to be a bad day and that the Patriots were doomed. When Belichick and Kraft got snubbed for the Hall of Fame and then Brady doesn't even say he's rooting for it. What are we doing? That was the sign that it was going to be rough.

15:45Rich Eisen:You're really going here?

15:46Chris Brockman:That it was going to be rough for the Pats. Not even mentioning the Drake curse, not May. Drake betting a million dollars on us? Come on, man.

15:55Rich Eisen:Well, didn't Drake also have a bad Super Bowl last year? because Kendrick Lamar was performing. Yeah. That's two Super Bowls in a row where it was bad for Drake's. And everyone he bets on is... Dude, what are you just passing over Adam Vinatieri getting into this class?

16:09Chris Brockman:He played more seasons with the Colts.

16:11Rich Eisen:I get it. But still, it all started with his kick. Again, for Kurt Warner to be given the Adam Vinatieri introduction was pretty cold. I almost offered to him while we were reading through the prompter in the back, hey, you want to switch? I'll take Vinatieri if you don't want to take him. you know since you know his hall of fame career started yeah you know two weeks before in the snow game did i use that proper we all call it the tuck rule game but he would call him the snow game all right and then and then you know his kick was against kirk but that doesn't matter huh really is this where you're going do you want me to what since this is for you this one is for me this one's for me this highly important real estate okay i had jackson middle of the program we've talked about all season long who's making the super bowl what's going to happen in the but we talk all season long about this stuff and we're finally here we're finally in this show we're finally needing some sort of a topic that is a culminating topic that puts an exclamation point on the season on all the storylines that we've been talking about week after week after week and you go here so since you've made it about you let me ask you because i'm a giver i learned because i'm a giver okay i'm a giver okay i'm a giver yeah thanks how do you want me to answer this.

17:26Rich Eisen:Which would make it, what would make it happier for you for me to answer this? Is it a reaction? This is proper. You nailed it, man. Or overreaction. Don't worry about it. Don't worry about it. It's okay. But Brady, as you pointed out, he's got other business decisions. What is he going to say? Go ahead and beat the crap out of the new head coach that I've hired from the Seattle staff? Well, after everyone shamed him,

17:47Chris Brockman:he had to put out a story being like, go get him, Mr. Kraft. You know?

17:50Rich Eisen:Like, you know what I mean? You know, I mean, he's got to prove to you that he's not dead inside. That he's not some sort of just only about TV 12? Everyone thinks he's a robot. Okay. So honestly, like you even said that yourself, right? I want you to tell me I nailed it. Do you really want me to tell you that? Kind of. You nailed it, Chris. Thank you. Okay. Can we move on? Yeah, we can move on. Jeez.

18:17Chris Brockman:When did I know this game was over? It's about you again. It's not. It's not. First play of the game. I knew it was over. You want to know why? He sounds just like Cooper.

18:27Rich Eisen:That's the Kenneth Walker run around the end?

18:29Chris Brockman:Kenneth Walker was dead to rights for a two-yard loss in the first play, and all of a sudden he skirts it and gets 10 yards in a first down. And I'm like, oh, we're not going to be able to stop the run today. And guess what? Couldn't stop the run. Couldn't stop Kenneth Walker. He's MVP. Much deserved, Rich. And you know what? He's a free agent. Yes. Cha-ching. The Seahawks should make Kenneth Walker the highest paid running back

18:48Rich Eisen:in the NFL. uh uh i all i know is well we're gonna find out again where running backs are valued in this league he just won mvp in the super bowl i get it i mean you'd have to say the last player who balled out in the super bowl and win super bowl mvp just as it's time to hit free agency was that Flacco, right? Remember Flacco? Oh, yeah, he put his bag on the table. Remember Steve Bichotti's like, listen, you want to be paid like an elite quarterback. Why don't you go on a Super Bowl run for the ages and win Super Bowl MVP and then put the bag on the table, tell me to fill it up, and I will do so.

19:32Rich Eisen:And he did that. He did. So I don't know what the conversations are. That's exactly what Ken Walker has done. Well, that's what he just did. I don't know if John Schneider or Jody Allen challenged Kenneth Walker to do what he did in the same way that I think Bashadi, according to stories, the storybook goes, did that to Flacco and went, okay, that was my Baltimore accent. By the way, that was my Baltimore accent. Okay, I'll fill that bag up for you, Joe. And he did. So by all metrics, I mean, his agent has every right to basically say, what more do you need to see other than what he's done? He was awesome on Sunday.

20:14Rich Eisen:And then most importantly, what he just did. What else do you need to see? But we'll find out, man. Again, how running backs are valued. I keep going back to this. Every year, you know, Saquon, the Giants didn't value him. the Eagles did to the tune of whatever he was wanting to be valued by. We saw a 2000 yard season behind a line that was ready to do it. And a team that was ready to do it. It all worked out this year. Not so much after he got more money. But still Saquon is, is Saquon. The one that I point to this year was whatever the hell was going on between the bills and James cook. And they finally signed him and where the hell would they have been without him?

20:59Rich Eisen:he wound up probably leading the league in rushing yards okay yeah and so uh if somebody was also as a finalist for me for offensive player of the year i mean the guy was incredible awesome so um i don't know about the highest paid running back in the nfl but what do you always say it's his turn exactly in the way that quarterbacks raise their hands and say i need to be the newest 50 something million guy and it's my turn to be paid that way so that's what the system says for you to pay but even those guys are being slotted less than dac these days so i'm saying you know if i'm the seahawks i'd say i hear you but let's slot you here how about more than what james cook just got or something like that you know what i'm saying like that would make sense if i'm

21:54Chris Brockman:I don't mean to hash this whole thing out here No I get it but doesn't he walk in and say Hey look James Cook is this This is the floor man

22:03Rich Eisen:I get it

22:04Chris Brockman:I just put a trophy in the case for you

22:06Rich Eisen:I understand but you also don't want to run the risk of John Schneider Saying hey man we love you We love you But for this amount of money Sam Darnold took less To come here Sam Darnold had to take less to go there I get it so those who took Those, to use a phrase from Michigan, those who take less, become champions. Yeah. Yeah. Here in Seattle, we love you. We value you. I mean, that's the way it should go. But he should definitely get some bag. He deserves it. He is unreal. He does deserve it. And I'm glad he's not running all over my aforementioned Michigan Wolverines anymore like he did at Michigan State.

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23:45Chris Brockman:Well, it's that time of the program when we got to talk about it, Rich. What was the whole deal with the combine and up to the draft? Talking about Will Campbell and the short arms. The arm-length mafia was right. The Patriots regret taking Will Campbell fourth overall in the draft this year.

24:01Rich Eisen:I don't think they regret taking a fourth overall in the draft this year. Give me a name of somebody else that you think they could have had. Literally anyone else. I mean, I don't think McMillan probably would have been pretty nice, but he, he was the best player on many people's offensive lineman boards.

24:20Chris Brockman:Yeah. But the whole narrative about the short arms and these guys don't become starting left tackles in the NFL, this certain arm link. Look, I wasn't buying into it, but the more and more you saw this season play on, uh, Drake may got sacked more than any quarterback in the playoffs just now. I don't know how many hits You might have a number on it. He was getting his ass kicked all season long throughout the playoffs. And you saw it on Sunday night.

24:45Rich Eisen:I know, but rookies have that type of a season. And you live and die with it. And the fact that they made it to the Super Bowl anyway is remarkable. And I will just say, you know, the short arm length mafia. I like that.

25:03Chris Brockman:Yeah.

25:04Rich Eisen:That's not a bad fantasy team name. That's pretty good. Arm-length Mafia. Pretty good. Also, did they open for Green Day yesterday?

25:12Chris Brockman:Yeah, they did. They opened for Green Day. I was there in the stadium, and I didn't see Arm-length. You didn't see it? No, no.

25:18Rich Eisen:The conversation was a lot about, hey, he might kick inside, and he might. Well, I think he's getting ready for a career at left guard.

25:25Chris Brockman:And by the way, okay, Joe Tooney just won Protector of the Year, didn't he? I get it, but you don't spend the fourth overall picking the draft on a guard.

25:34Rich Eisen:I hear you. or you can get a great draft choice um um you can get some great production out of him at guard and at the end of the day it doesn't matter that you use a fourth round pick on him because you still make super bowls and you still win championships anyway they just won the afc championship game man and and i don't hang a banner for that i know they don't hang a banner for that but they don't hang banners for that for for teams like the chiefs and the eagles and whatever where they're expected to make the Super Bowl. This team wasn't expected. You arrived way earlier than anybody could ever have imagined.

26:09Rich Eisen:I get it. So regretting taking him, I disagree. I think Vrabel probably digs him and knows how to coach him and got the best he could out of him. And we also don't know. You know, he got hurt and he came back. I have no idea if he was playing as a shadow of his former self. And they still felt it was the best opportunity for him to play a left tackle in a Super Bowl. But at the end of the day, the Seahawks defenders were equal opportunity abusers on everybody. That's true. But when you got, pardon me, a kid in his in his huggies still, you know, football wise, they absolutely steamrolled him. And and it's a team game.

26:50Rich Eisen:There were there were a lot of reasons why. And Drake may apparently getting a painkiller shot in the shoulder and a shoulder may not have been as as as healthy as as they were all letting on. Um, end of the day, Seattle was the better team, better roster. That's why I thought they were going to win by two touchdowns. And, um, I just thought they were going to have a defensive, uh, MVP. I took my shot at Demarcus Lawrence who did have that moment where he knocked the ball loose from, from Drake may, or at least as he was following through. Yeah. Um, you know, they're just better and, and they will not regret, you know, choosing will Campbell.

27:26Rich Eisen:So I know you're going to bring this up on the flagship show on Mondays. We'll, we'll hash it out a little bit more.

27:31Chris Brockman:Yeah, it's just tough.

27:32Rich Eisen:Why don't you finish up strong? It was a tough year. Finish up strong. All right, finish up strong. Hold on. Does anyone have a towel? Because there have been a lot of Patriot tears spilled here over the last 10 minutes of this program. Anybody going to? Because there's... Well, we're going to spill a little bit more.

27:45Chris Brockman:Oh, come on, man. Just a little bit more. Good Lord. Just a little bit. Just a little bit. Seattle won. I get it. We talked about them for half the show. Okay.

27:53Rich Eisen:What else?

27:54Chris Brockman:Finish up.

27:54Rich Eisen:I mean, jeez. That's all right. Mike Del Tufo, of course, is bringing them. Thanks, Mike. Thanks, Mike. The bad bunny of the Rich Eisen show's got the tissues for your issue.

28:03Chris Brockman:So I've watched every snap of Drake May's career so far. Easily the worst game he's ever played. Uh-huh. Super Bowl 60 proved that the voters got it right, Rich. You got it right. Yes. Give him the MVP to Matthew Stafford. Bingo. Target.

28:17Rich Eisen:You hit the bullseye. Right there.

28:19Chris Brockman:Way to make me feel better.

28:20Rich Eisen:Well, I'm sorry. I mean, you gave me the subject matter, and obviously I felt like I saw the best quarterback in the NFL. But it's a regular season award.

28:31Chris Brockman:I mean, Richard Sherman out here being like, this is why. No, no, no, no, no.

28:34Rich Eisen:Excuse me. The week 16 game where Sam Darnold had to twice, twice out-duel Matthew Stafford. Now, one in the playoffs and one in the regular season. The first game is when he had four interceptions, part of the 20 turnovers that he had to lead the league in turnovers, only to have zero in the postseason, which is another reason why Seattle got better as the season moved. True. Because Darnold got better, and then in the playoffs, was just spectacular.

29:05Chris Brockman:Well, his – Didn't make mistakes.

29:07Rich Eisen:The way he was elusive. He avoided so many sacks on Sunday. He was terrific. He was terrific, and he didn't make that mistake that Stroud and Stidham made in both of their playoff losses, which was to have a lead, have a defense balling out, having the Patriots on the ropes, wondering if their kid quarterback was going to move the ball in any meaningful way on the day, only to pull a pin on a grenade and flip it up into the middle of the Patriots defense and have it blow up in their own faces as New England either returned it for a touchdown or eventually got a touchdown off of a gimme turnover deep in the opposition end.

29:39Rich Eisen:That didn't happen. Sam Darnold was terrific, but this is about me being right. So let me return to that. Wow. Matthew Stafford had the best season in the NFL at the quarterback position, which is why the same voting group named him the first team all pro quarterback. There are some voters who named him clearly first team, all pro quarterback, and then also named Drake may the MVP of the league, which I do not get.

30:08Chris Brockman:Well, they did it the year before. I understand it. I don't, but that's when voters hang their hats on this being a referendum on the

30:17Rich Eisen:word valuable, what your definition of the word is. and that's how these things can get a little bit squirrely on who votes for whom. I look at most valuable is who's the best at it. Okay. Who's the best at it. Not like if this guy got hurt with the team do just as well. The answer to that is of course not. And you could say that about anybody who is a starting quarterback in the national football league. That's why they're the starting quarterback most of the time, but I get it a little bit too aside. All I'm saying is everybody look at Matthew Stafford's numbers against this defense in week 16.

30:57Rich Eisen:And then I understand it's not a postseason award. Correct. But then take a look at what he just did against this team in the NFC championship game. And look at how the Patriots did against this defense in Super Bowl 60. It is apparent that one kid had a superb football season, certainly for a 23-year-old. in the same way Stafford had one, certainly for a 37-turning 38-year-old who apparently couldn't get out of bed before the season because his back was bulky. So, against Seattle, if Seattle's the measuring stick, you're correct. The voters got it right. Matthew Stafford was the MVP of this season and is the MVP of this season.

31:41Rich Eisen:And don't blame me again because he got one more first-place vote than Drake May and I voted for Stafford over May. There were three people who decided to not even take a look at the clear mandate for all MVP voters this year to have an up or down vote on Stafford versus May. It was clear and obvious, certainly of all these voters who are in the sports media, who are in the arena like we are every day, taking phone calls or answering posts and tweets of people who were talking with you and communicating with fans it was obvious there was a choice of two people for this year's mvp and it was clear fans wanted to know who was the mvp of the league between these two people and three people tapped out of that responsibility for whatever reason because they decided to have a concept of what the word value means that might be different than others i get it thank you for this final topic because it is me being right at the end of the day this is a spot-on bullseye reaction yeah how

32:58Chris Brockman:much do you think the rams are kicking themselves they they probably could have been super bowl

33:01Rich Eisen:champs if they beat well i mean another topic you know just to wrap this up um is the nfc championship game was in fact the super which we said you know two weeks ago it was in fact the super bowl yeah because you'd have to think the rams would have done something similar you know the seattle defense is better than the rams defense oh i think we can say that yeah for sure um but you can also say the rams offense is pretty damn high octane and 100 i think would have had a better day certainly in that first half yeah i mean stafford has already won a super bowl this was darnold's first go at it and oh man oh man he had jackson smith and jigbo wide open did a great job would have been a walk-in touchdown avoided the pressure stepped up and then right

33:45Chris Brockman:jsn somehow snuck behind you're like oh my god he's so open but at the end of the day whatever

33:51Rich Eisen:sam darnold was um getting through to settle down he didn't make the mistakes yeah he did not what

33:59Chris Brockman:What was the vibe in the stadium like during the first half when it was 6-0?

34:03Rich Eisen:It was a pro Seattle crowd. The 12s were everyone. It really was. And they were louder. They were louder.

34:10Chris Brockman:Was it 70 %?

34:12Rich Eisen:I don't know. I mean, all I know is just walking around. They were louder and they were greater in number, to say the least.

34:20Chris Brockman:You could feel that on Friday when we were getting ready to leave.

34:23Rich Eisen:No doubt about it. But, you know, I think Will Campbell turned out to be one of those shrubs in the Bad Bunny.

34:28Chris Brockman:I think the shrubs could have done a better job of stopping the Seattle front line.

34:33Rich Eisen:Hey, listen, great season. Great season. Overreaction Monday. We're going to still do this thing. We're going to turn into an every other week cadence. We're also going to, you know, pop up, even if it is maybe not an every other week, for combine and for draft and for free agency and for the schedule. And we're going to be around, that's for sure. And then we're going to keep doing this show as well when it being on ESPN2. And if they say do it every week, guess what we're going to do?

34:59Chris Brockman:We're going to do it every week. Why not?

35:01Rich Eisen:So whatever I just said, don't listen to it. I can't wait to watch the game tonight.

35:06Chris Brockman:I'm really looking forward to the Super Bowl.

35:08Rich Eisen:No, no, no, it happened. You lost. For Chris, I'm Rich. Thanks for taking an overreaction Monday right here on the Rich Eisen Podcast Network, courtesy of ESPN Podcasts.

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