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22:08Rich Eisen:I think you were on for way before Tom vs. Tom when you were doing a religion and sports collaboration with the old audience network here on the campus of DirecTV. Tom Brady has a pejorative term for the portion of him that nobody thought existed, which is a quitter. And then he curses out the pejorative word he has for himself. Did I just hear that? That's a pretty good breakdown, yeah. Which is how you become Tom Brady. Yeah. Yeah. You know, watching that, it's like, and you mentioned in the, this is our third project together, but I've also like now gotten to know Tom really well and gotten close to him and been, you know, on and off the field through a lot of stuff with him.

22:45And yeah, like, I think the function of that is his openness and his willingness. And that's, that's him. I mean, you, you've gotten to know him too. Yes. And, you know, there's a version of him that's out there for the cameras and stuff. And then there's a version for him of him. That's that's him. That's the authentic version. And that's the version that had all that success. The Patriots, especially in the latter half when he became a leader.

23:10Rich Eisen:Tom Brady, you're referring to a radio audience just chimed in in the middle of that answer. gotham chopper is the co-director of prime videos built in birmingham brady and the blues following along the team that uh tom brady purchased a piece of um over across the pond as i'm mandated to say anything that involves sports in in the uk um and that's available on prime video right now and religion is sports co-founded by brady and stray right yeah okay and um you talk to these guys often or how how much are you interfacing with these guys how how how involved in the business are they? They're pretty busy.

23:48Rich Eisen:They're very busy. They're both really busy. But I would say, I mean, look, first of all, they're, they're founders. They're, they've inspired this whole thing. They're incredibly engaged when I asked them to be like, Hey, I need an intro to this. Or what do you think about that? They're both really accessible. I mean, with Tom in particular, you know, we've done a lot with him because especially at that transition from, you know, the last years of football, which we thought were going to be in 2017. And then it, right. Kipped on going and going and going. But then even as he's transitioned, so we've done a lot of content around Tom.

24:21Right. Anything in the booth for Fox? Do you have that stuff? I mean, there's been some stuff captured. You know, I think when we were working in 2017 on the initial Tom versus Time thing, you know, that was around the time like the last dance was being talked about and people were talking about it's coming out. And suddenly in our business, everybody's like, oh, let's make the next last dance. And so it's, you know, singular moment, singular athlete. But if there was one athlete that you're like, oh, you know what? Like we should be capturing content. It was Tom. Like what, how is this going to end?

24:54And so we never stopped, which led to a series of projects. But I think also there continues to be a lot of content capture because, you know, I don't want to take 30 years like they did with The Last Dance. But there's probably some version of a legacy film at some point. On the Patriots you're talking about? I think it's the Patriots. It's the Bucs. There was some stuff we captured around the Bucs at the end. Transition out of football. Right.

25:21Rich Eisen:But the last dance would be the Patriot, right? Because the last dance was about a dynasty that could have kept going, but for various reasons of what was going between management, coach, and what was going on between management and player essentially got in the way. I mean, that was the message of the last dance. And then there were some chemistry issues amongst the stars of the team that was boiling over for a while. Although I wouldn't sense that from the Patriots. And I'll be honest with you, the Brady roast, which I'm sure you must have been at, right? I was there. Okay, I was too. That felt like a therapy session.

25:55Rich Eisen:And it was important for the therapy session to happen there, even though I know Brady has mentioned regrets about the roast, certainly when it comes to his children having to hear all that stuff on the stage. but in terms of his retirement ceremony at Gillette, I thought that was a lot more kumbaya and everything had gotten out of the way due to the roast. I really believe that. Yeah, that was purging for sure. I thought so. Like that there were some things that were said through humor that couldn't have been said directly face to face that would have allowed the night in Gillette to be as so, you know, I guess wondrous as it was.

26:32Rich Eisen:I really believe that. Yeah, I think you're right. Like I think the purging of all the toxic stuff helped. I think also time, you know, time perspective. Yes. You know, and that perspective was leaving the Patriots. It was going to a different organization, having some success. Right. It was off the field stuff. It's like, what's really important to you? Who's really impacted your life? I mean, Tom's, and he's still in that stage because he's still in a transitional stage. And so I think, but he's very like self-aware in that sense, you know, he's young still by human standards, but he's a pretty old guy as far as like sports athlete standards.

27:09Right. And he's gained a lot of perspective. So, yeah, I think that that night, yeah, I was there also at the Patriots Hall of Fame thing or whatever. That's a beautiful night. It was really special.

27:19Rich Eisen:It was free of all the stuff. Yeah. Right. And, you know, it helps, I guess, to do, what, vodka or tequila shots together on a stage, right? And get all the stuff out about, you know, So Belichick from, you know, Gronk and Edelman saying that. Randy getting emotional. Right. And then, you know, Kraft was showing up and then whatever was going on there. That was removed from Brady's night in Gillette. Yeah. You know, a few weeks later, I think. So when folks flip on Amazon Prime, probably midnight tonight, I imagine. That's the way things happen in the streaming world because it debuts on this Friday, tomorrow.

27:57Rich Eisen:What are they going to see? What are they going to see? Yeah. So, you know, we tracked that team. So Tom got involved, I guess, now two years ago and as part of the ownership group. And look, Welcome to Wrexham has laid the path for this type of narrative. And so we just thought it would be interesting. And also like, you know, it was cross paths as well. Yeah, because they both. So what happened the first year, you know, is this big idea, like two Americans, one big, you know, billionaire Wall Street guy. And then Tom Brady, the greatest, you know, winner of all times, at least in American sports, come in and they're going to reverse the course of this franchise that, you know, has had at best mediocrity through its 125 years of history and you know the expectation is it's going to be awesome it's going to be great going to reverse and of course the first thing they do is they fire the coach not a good idea um and it was terrible it was terrible and you know in the english football leagues you have relegation yes sir if you don't make a certain standard you get dropped they got dropped tom brady was part of a team that was so bad it got moved to a lower league from the championship level to the League One level, which was terrible for them.

29:02Awesome for us because it gave us a lot of great tension and story because it was like, oh, shoot, you know? But we just kept the cameras rolling them from first season to the second season. And the second season, I think where Tom Brady and Tom Wagner, you know, his co-owner, were able really to implement their system, start rebuilding the culture, obviously bring in some players, and you could start to see the change. And then they had, in a lower league, a historic season in terms of like wins, success, et cetera. And so now they've been promoted, as has Wrexham, into the championship back to where they started.

29:41Rich Eisen:Well, you as a documentarian of Brady and someone who's been around, Tom, and I think Raiders fans would take interest in this, is what is Brady's style of ownership? Like what would you, obviously, you know, he doesn't have as large a piece of the Raiders as he would Birmingham. But what is he bringing to the equation in Vegas that you've seen that he brought to the equation here in this documentary? Well, I mean, I think the honest answer is it's still a work in progress because it's new to him. And I think one of the things he's realized is, you know, when you're a player, certainly when you're the quarterback, certainly when you're Tom Brady at the letter, you have control.

30:18Like you are the guy on the field calling the plays, directing your teammates, et cetera. when you're an owner a coach or an owner you know you're removed and so you have to put the other guys in position to be the best versions of themselves so you can't do it and so that requires a level of surrender but look i think tom by the way people of his level yeah i mean

30:44Rich Eisen:stature and accomplishment have a tough time doing that's really hard and that's why what deon's doing is amazing because when you're a hall of famer yeah with uh the heart of a champion a mindset of a champion and the physical abilities to back it all up you don't suffer fools very well and it's tough to coach that sort of like it's tough to coach down right where because you're trying to reach people who need to be dragged in a way that you never had to be by a coach right Totally. And so it can't be simple. It's not simple. It's a different generation of players. You know, how you motivate them is different than, you know, I remember when we did the Man in the Arena series, you know, the generation of players that he really grew up with, like the Mike Vrabels, the Teddy Bruschies, the Ted Johnsons, Willie McGinnis.

31:34Like that's a very different, that's a pre-social media generation, pre-millennial generation. So now, even though you have incredibly talented players, the Max Crosby's and Gino Smith's, this is a different culture and how you influence and inspire. So I think Tom's learning that. Look, at the end of the day, he's a guy who's like, you know, he tells me all the time, he's like, you know, people love to talk about culture. Well, culture are people. And, you know, what are people? People are made up of values. Like, what are the uncompromising values of this organization going to be? And he has thoughts on that.

32:07So does Pete Carroll. So does, you know, John Spitek. So do all the people now. And now you've got to figure it out. I think they all share belief that culture drives success. But now you really get into the component parts of that culture, and you've got to figure it out. And then you just have players.

32:26Rich Eisen:Well, I mean, if you had told me that Tom Brady would eventually have ownership, a piece of an NFL franchise, I would have believed it. If you had told me that when he got a piece of that franchise, that franchise would be open for business and hiring a coach, I'd say, okay, now I'm very intrigued. And if you had told me the coach you would hire would be from a Super Bowl he was involved in, I'd be like, oh, how is Belichick available? And Belichick was available, and he chose, along with the rest of the Raiders, Pete Carroll. And that one, I think, arched a few eyebrows. Were you around for that as well?

33:07Because I had gone to know Pete, you know, as I'm sure we'll talk about through this class that he was involved in teaching here at USC. So I'd gone to know him. And then, you know, Pete had told me at the time, he's like, I'm a happily retired guy. I'm having a good time, you know, not interested in that stuff. Then Black Monday comes. Then, you know, one of Pete's mantras is always compete. And I think he started to hear I was too old. You know, Pete, he's out there, but he's not really a candidate. He's 73 years old. passed him by and you know that guy that's all you need that's all he needs yeah it's all his needs and i don't i think you know he was a candidate again i wasn't in any of these rooms or anything but like i think i can see having gone to know both of them pretty well um oh yeah like again maybe like a different component parts which now they will figure out together but the belief in like culture driving success and you know in the nfl like everybody's good All the players are great.

34:05You don't get to that level unless you're exceptional. It's not necessarily talent that it's like, how do you motivate guys? Who's got the resilience? Who's got all of that? And those two guys, man, they inspire. That's the connective tissue? That's the connective tissue. I mean, they just have, look, I mean, it's what's Mike Tyson saying? Everybody has a plan until you get punched in the face, and we'll see what happens. Right. Of course, they open against the Patriots. Isn't that amazing? Isn't that amazing? But Tom won't be there.

34:36Rich Eisen:He's going to be in the booth for Fox that day. But that said, Pete in New England, where he used to coach as well, if I'm not mistaken, he was the predecessor to Belichick. And now he's showing up as the coach of the Raiders' first game in New England. I got Gotham Chopra here on the Rich Eisen Show. Built in Birmingham, Brady and the Blues is a new documentary on Prime Video that starts tomorrow, February 1st. pardon me, Friday, August 1st on Prime Video. Let's talk about Pete and that class at USC because I was at the last one of them. Susie, my wife, Susie Schuster, goes way back with Pete.

35:17Rich Eisen:She met Pete when she was covering USC here, working locally in sports, loves Pete, connected with Pete. Pete's like, hey, I'm teaching a class at USC and it's the last one, why don't you come down? and she says to me you should come down now thursday's my poker night and uh that's inviolate pretty much so i'm serious that's the way it went i'm like absolutely i'll go but maybe you know i don't want to intrude i should i'm going to leave or whatever i didn't budge yeah i watched that two-hour final class where all the kids in this class were talking about what pete and what he was teaching all semester long had made an impact on all of them.

36:01Rich Eisen:I'm getting goosebumps just remembering it. And you were there with a camera. So you've documented everything that I came on this show to talk about for how many classes were you there? I mean, I think there was like 14 classes in that whole semester. And I was there for at least half, if not more, 10 of them or so. Why'd you get involved with this? Did you hear about it through after you got hired? No, so my really closest friend is the dean of religion, was the co-professor of that class, Varun Soni. He's the dean of religion at USC. Yeah, the other gentleman on the screen. Yeah, he's got the Raiders hat now.

36:37He's a true believer. But he, you know, I've known him for a long time. And he told me in the early stages, hey, I'm like starting to develop this thing with Pete. And I think, and look, it was a perfect story. It was like the old ball coach is coming back to the school that made him a legend to see if he can inspire these kids. You know, it's going to take all the wisdom he has gained from 40 years of school, 40 years of coaching and bring it back to these kids. And the kids were all mostly juniors and graduating seniors getting ready for the real world. And so the idea was like, can Pete come and help them as they transition?

37:13He sure did. Oh, my God.

37:15Rich Eisen:I've never seen anything like that, Gotham. It was beautiful. And every week. I was crying and I didn't even meet these kids. Every week was like that. And, you know, every week, I'm trying to remember who was like the teacher in that. David Belasco. Well, they would bring in a guest. Right. Yeah. Like every week. And, you know, it was incredible. He had Tom on one week. Zoomed in once. Yeah. Yeah. And it was just like, I mean, Pete has this ability, even though he's 73 years old, to connect and relate to people. And, you know. And young people. I was going to say. Which is why he can be terrific as a coach of the Raiders.

37:49I mean, it was deeply personal to me, too, because, you know, I live in Los Angeles. I lived in the Palisades. You know, we were affected by the fires right when the class was starting. My son, who's the 17-year-old at Pali High, his school was basically done. He was going to have to go on Zoom. And I told Pete, I'm like, hey, can I bring my son to this class? And one of his classmates. And Pete's, of course. You know, Dean Sonny will figure it out with the university. I took my son for that first class. And afterwards, as we were driving home, my son said, can I come next week? And I called Pete and Pete's like, oh yeah, he's part of this class.

38:27He's part of the tribe now. He and his friend Kai, every week, they were there every week. I didn't go every week. My son did. And it was like transformative. For him at a very important time. Yeah. And it's just like that, Pete has that ability to understand like, okay, what's your story? What do you need? How can I help you unpack it? And it's just, I mean, and I think that's, I mean, I've been up in Vegas a few times, like you can see it. He's now doing it with the players. It's actually the same. You're like, oh, and he always says, he's like, watch, I'm going to do the same gags that he does in the class.

39:00He does in some of the meetings and it does work because by the way, like some of these players are 23. Those kids were 21, 22 in the class. Right.

39:10Rich Eisen:With their world in front of them, they were just about to graduate. so they knew that they were going in a new world and and they had a coat of armor yeah about themselves about their confidence level as who they were as people and their confidence level of what they learned and how they can translate it to maybe getting that first job yeah i was i was awed and jealous at the same time that they were they felt empowered and i'm like how can i feel that way i literally felt i left the class saying that he was so open vulnerable you mentioned you know he talks a lot about his origin story the patriots you know that was the jets and well he got fired from all these and he says like getting fired for the patriots forced him to really like reflect on what his story was and why was he doing it so he's been through this process and that's kind of what he helped these kids like unpack and i mean i say kids but they're like young adults going out into the world during a very difficult time, climate, AI, like everything's upside down.

40:11And, you know, he just really helped them connect with themselves. Yeah. That's, that's amazing. When, when, I mean, are you in the, you're in the edit bay now? Well, I mean, like, you know, I'm at a stage, I want the world to see this. I know. And I'm at a stage like, you know, my career too, where I'm like, you know, I have this incredible privilege of having access and building all these relationships. and so I sometimes just like I want to go see where it goes so like you know yeah we have all that stuff in the can we've been working on it but you know it's also hard to cinematically build something that takes place in the classroom so it's like oh now he's taking a lot of what Pete learned because he's also curious and hungry and always evolving and he's taking his experience from the class and now integrating it into the Raiders seeing what works and so we're you know poking around over there, seeing what's happening.

40:59And, you know, I just, I let these things, like even that Birmingham thing, we thought it was going to be the first season, but then we're like, let's keep going. Let's wait till this thing is ready. And then after two seasons, it was ready. And so we'll see.

41:12Rich Eisen:Okay. Well, I can't, do you know who's teaching the class this fall? There's some, they're going to keep it going. I know who it is. It's Susie. It's my wife. oh really yeah david belasco asked because we saw it it meant a lot to her and she's doing it and no fact to follow i know that she knows that she knows that and but she'll be great yeah she can't wait because she saw it she was equally as inspired by it um and and the green light occurred a few weeks ago and she can't wait oh she's already she's she's trying to out book pete yeah she's always competing well look she's i hopefully my you know well professor belasco amazing professor sony dean sony amazing like so she's gonna have great teammates i'm telling you she's psyched i'm psyched for her um and i you're right i mean it's big shoes to fill but she loves pete and she's gonna continue well he'll be a great mentor also yeah continue to spare it you know um prime video is built in birmingham brady and the blues it debuts tomorrow friday august first.

42:12Rich Eisen:Good to see you, sir. Yeah, thanks for having me. You got it. That's Gotham Chopra right here on the Rich Eisen Show. Rich Eisen here with some advice. If high interest credit card debt is grinding you down, it might be time to call an audible with a SoFi personal loan. It consolidates your debt into one low monthly payment with no fees required. And with as soon as the same day funding, you can make the right play fast. Call an audible on your debt today at SoFi.com slash debt play. Loans originated by SoFi Bank N.A. Member FDIC. Terms and conditions apply. NMLS 696891. Fast funds terms apply at SoFi.com slash debt play.

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44:04I'm just trying to keep up with you, bro.

44:06Rich Eisen:Stop it, no. That's it. I am. You do this. You got TV shows. You're the face of a network. I'm not giving away cash and prizes. I'm not saying good morning to an entire nation. Well, I guess on this show, I'm doing that. Yes, you're doing that. But I guess maybe it should be the good morning Rich Eisen show America or something. Let's not push it now. I was going to say, we need to workshop that idea. Got to workshop that idea a little bit better than that. But it's good, man. I mean, and I'm one of these guys. I'm very grateful. And I understand. I owe everything to the game of football. And I know there's a lot of flack about football and a lot of the things that have come back, you know, the haunt, you know, some of the players in the game.

44:45And I know a lot of players out there with a lot of issues and there's a lot of responsibility that needs to be had on their behalf and on all the players' behalf.

44:54Rich Eisen:But at the same time, I think, you know, I'm very grateful as well. And you've got a second season of Pyramid coming up soon, right? Yeah,$100 ,000 Pyramid, man. Come on, win some money, baby. Help somebody win some money. By the way, you know I'm a game show aficionado. Are you good? You know, everybody said that. I'm not doubting you, but everyone says, oh, man, my mom the same way. We did chunky soup commercials years ago. Oh, boy, I can act. My mom. So we get there, and her line was, you need a hot bowl of chunky soup to fill you up right. Mm-hmm. you you you you you you you what what happened denzel washington where are you now so it's it the game sounds easy and the game looks easy when you see someone who's really good at it but it is tough when that clock is ticking you got 30 seconds and that person across from you straight who are you talking to right now come on rich don't i can give clues i can receive the clues.

45:53Rich Eisen:I know all of the business. I know you got to put your hands in the straps. You know you set yourself up, right? Oh, I'm ready to make somebody's $100 ,000 dream come true on your show. It's going to happen. Like Joe Namath. I am calling my shot. Oh, you're like Joe Namath now. You're like Babe Ruth. You're calling $100 ,000. I'm guaranteeing $100 ,000 for whatever lucky individual your producers care to pair up okay oh yes i love that show it's the truth um we're gonna make that happen i watched the dick clark daytime version i watched dick clark nighttime version and i watched your version it is fun i i love it because um look if prime can do it i can do it yeah he's coming up next yeah i yeah prime i gotta say wasn't prime's finest moment to do the show is some of the he was giving body signals that didn't match up with the words i'm like how does that mean money?

46:52I don't get it. But the prime, it made sense.

46:59Rich Eisen:Yada, yada, yada. I did it. I did. And they were going to win. And they blew it. They blew it. The contestant blew it. They were going to win. With all due respect, wherever the contestant is now. So I got the shot. Stray was a man of his word. Constance Schwartz, a woman of her word, got me on the program. I got into the winner's circle on the second shot at it with my contestant who blew it. With all due respect. The respect comes first. Well, they gave the clues to me. Okay. Well, she said the answer in the clue. Correct, in the clue. And it got buzzed. And I got to the top otherwise. What more can I tell you?

47:42Rich Eisen:I can only, listen, help me help you. Help me. Who blew it? Yeah. So I deserve another shot is what I'm saying. Okay. Cheryl Miller was the final guest of season one of women's sports. Now it was dynamite. It's awesome. Here she is just spitting her truth about the topic that always comes up. That racism is at the heart of whatever business Caitlin Clark is receiving from her colleagues in the W. Whether people want to talk about it, admit it, or stick their head in the sand, there is racism and always going to be racism because we are a racist nation at times. At times. Are we better than that?

48:26Absolutely.

48:30But don't throw no shade or any shade or be jealous or angry about someone who's benefiting from all the countless hours that she dedicated to playing basketball in her backyard. Timing's everything. And Caitlin, Caitlin deserves everything that she's receiving, just like Asia and everyone else. And when one rises, come on now, just get on that current.

49:03Rich Eisen:Women's Sports Now, check out the latest episode on Roku right here. Season one in the books. Look forward to season two. And great show. So proud of what they've done there. Sarah has hopefully had a blast with season one. Absolutely. So proud of all those ladies. They did such a great job. Yeah, and Don Bowie, our coordinating producer. The whole team, Hello Sunshine. All of us here at Rich Eisen Productions, whatever we've been able to contribute. It's an honor. There's no other show like it where women talking about women's issues and women's sports. which, as you know, is just taking off like a rocket ship.

49:39You know what marking out means? And someone says they marked out.

49:44Rich Eisen:Okay. Because that's what I did when I was kind of waiting on Cheryl Miller to come through the park and structure before I went home yesterday because I'm a big fan. It's a goat. I always say, like, to everyone who just now has started watching women's basketball, apparently, like, there's a goat and it's her, and I'm going to stick by that. So I kind of shook her hand and marked out a little bit, and I think Liz had to push me away from her because it was getting weird. A great final season one guest. She was so pleasant. She's great. Had everyone here smiling. I know, to the point where when I saw her, I hadn't seen her in years.

50:20Rich Eisen:We hugged it out, and I wanted desperately to say on behalf of all Nick fans, what's your brother's malfunction? But she's so nice, I just couldn't do it. I wish we could put Cheryl Miller in that old time machine and bring her to present day and let her fall. If we knew in advance that she was going to be the final guest of season one, we would have put her on a cookie. Absolutely. Season two. You know?

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