The Jim Jackson Show: October London

13:42Jim Jackson:I didn't have the contacts for him. Anyway, I didn't have the contacts. I don't know if Snoop had him.

13:46October London:Man, Snoop didn't get in touch with anybody.

13:48Jim Jackson:I couldn't get in touch with anybody. Really? Yeah. No, I didn't have that kind of clout, man. I couldn't. I can't make the phone calls. I couldn't make the phone calls I can make now. I couldn't make then. You know what I'm saying? But Snoop could. Snoop could, but I don't know if he was close with the family or not like that. I don't know if he couldn't call him because he didn't make that call, I don't think. I think maybe one of the songs on Rebirth had Marvin Gaye a little bit of a sample or a piece or something like that. but then at that point your team does that so i and marvin wasn't calling the sister or the or the cousin or hey snoop yo we're about to do this thing i don't want you i want you know i want you be mad at it it wasn't like that so we just kind of put it out there and it was like please god don't let it go you know to the point where we're going to get sued and not like that and we didn't obviously there was no there was just a little backlash at the front end because they thought that somebody made somebody made may have made a post or something i saw a post he was like this is marvin gay's long lost son and he should get all he should get money and all this stuff and i'm like i'm like i knew this was going to happen and you know snoop was the one who called it the rebirth of marvin and i was not for that but it worked out thank god and i was just like man this is going to be bad man it's going to be bad and it just turned out to be so good because after a while I got on the phone with the family and I told them how I felt about it.

15:11Jim Jackson:And I was like, look, I'm not trying to be your brother or your cousin or whoever I was speaking with. I'm not, I just heard a song. It had a Marvin Gaye vibe and I felt like the track was saying, Hey, just do that and let, let, let the people decide. And it, it just, it just worked out, but I had no contact to call them and let them know ahead of time at all. Otherwise I would have made that phone call and said, Hey, people are going to be talking. This is what I feel like. This is what should be going on. No disrespect. I just had a vibe going on. It's nothing personal. But I didn't. But it worked out.

15:47October London:It worked out. Okay, so, and that's refreshing to hear, too, I think, from a lot of people. Because if they don't know you haven't talked to you or seen some interviews, they'll say, well, he came into it trying to sound like Marvin Gaye or have a similar sound to that. Even though you have different tracks on, you know, that LP, that Mulholland Drive is totally different, okay? But it sounds like it. So now that you've done it and you were going through it, was it a fear that you get trapped into a certain category or people paint the picture saying, okay, well, he's just – and I know it's different on the album, but people hear the Marvin Gaye, and they associate that kind of first and foremost with October London a little bit more, of being trapped in that box.

16:34October London:Is there a fear of that?

16:34Jim Jackson:Yeah. Yeah, yeah, no. I feared the hell out of that. I did not want to be pigeonholed into something. It's like a person, it's like an actor always making movies about cars, racing. So it's like seeing Vin Diesel in a serious film with Denzel and him being in like, or anything of that nature. You're just like, oh, this is odd. Yeah, because you haven't seen it.

16:57October London:Because you haven't seen Vin Diesel in that role, right.

17:00Jim Jackson:Yeah, Vin Diesel is cars, fast and furious, action, hanging out of helicopters, you know, that type of thing. So it's like, you know, it was weird. So I didn't want to get pigeonholed, and I was so afraid of that. And in the beginning, that first year, year and a half, no, I have to say, I have to be honest with you, man, two years. So I dropped that in 2022, 23, 22, 24. so for two years from 2022 to 2024 i was getting frustrated man because really i was doing not i was doing my meet and greets uh and people would come up man what's up little marvin what's up little little marvin no no no no what's going on man how you doing oh hey look you know disrespect but you know i'm october london i'm not little marvin you know i'm i'm not his son i'm you know I'm not trying to be that.

17:57Jim Jackson:Oh, yeah, man, but too bad. You just like him, man. Yeah, but it's more to me than that. The first two years, man, I was just, I ain't going to say I was depressed, but I was just frustrated. Like, please stop calling me Lil Marvin. Please stop. Like, I get it. And I was just paying homage to the man. That's why on the second album, my October 9th album, I was like, I'm going to start it with that because the fan base knows me for that. And then I'm going to end the album totally different. I'm a ballad, this thing out. I'm gonna go a little bit more R &B, traditional R &B. I had to get out of that, you know?

18:32Jim Jackson:And now with me releasing all these other things, now people are like, Oh, so there's more than him. He's, he's not a, I don't want people to think I'm a cover artist. Some people were like, Oh, he flipped that Marvin Gaye record. He's just singing the same lyrics. And I'm like, no, I'm not.

18:48October London:If you listen to it, it's totally different, totally different lyric. It just has a lot of his mannerisms in his voice, his inflections, ad-libs. See, those things, you know I'm a Marvin Gaye. That's my favorite of all time. So you already know. Absolutely. So when people, you've got to understand, your biggest fear came true for a short period of time, unfortunately, which is people painted you in this box as that, especially the older generation because, as we know, nostalgia plays a huge role in how we view people. because back then when they were listening to Marvin, they were going through something, you know, whether it was a good experience, bad experience, and they relate that time period to that music.

19:29October London:So when they hear something very eerily similar, the first thing they're going to associate with is that person, that time, and now you're doing it, they're going to put you in that box. So how do you, and you just kind of described it a little bit, because you've been described as having more of a nostalgic sound, you know fresh but yet you got to combine r &b with something new when you're writing how do you kind of keep the history of the music with r &b but yet you know this is 2025 r &b is a totally

20:02Jim Jackson:different in today's world uh well for for me i listen uh you know i've i've i've kind of a eclectic palate so i listen to everything like i had a one of my boys over uh last night we you know we i made him some steak okay okay i made him i made him some rib eyes and we just discussed we just discussed we discussed business he's a big business dude um big business and uh he came from uh toronto canada um so we were just sitting there talking but i know his his i know what he likes to listen to and and you know i was just playing songs that i was listening to ccr and and the Eagles, and I just have an eclectic palate.

20:47Jim Jackson:So I've always listened to different artists. I think what's wrong now, or I don't know if I can say what's wrong. Don't say wrong.

20:56October London:It's just a different time. It's a different time. It's a different time. Different time, different era.

21:00Jim Jackson:Different time, different era. I think artists listen to, they hone in on one thing and one thing only. It's like, oh, I make trap records and rap records, so that's all I listen to. I listen to all these trap records. I listen to rock, pop, EDM, everything. So that helps me get out of that box because when I'm making the Rebirth of Marvin and I'm going to tour it and I'm going to do these songs, I'm getting on stage and I love, love, love performing for my fans. I love it so much. I love my fans. But after, you know, that first tour, I'm like, okay, I've done this a hundred times. I got to do something else.

21:39Jim Jackson:I gotta go over here in the pop-up so then I went home and made an EDM record and then now that and then I go and sit with uh I sit with the radio interviews things like that and they're playing the EDM records they're not playing Rebirth of Marvin they're playing the EDM so now I'm like thank you thank you for playing this other stuff and then I go here and then I go to Nashville and they're playing my country records and I'm like okay I'm doing I'm doing what I should be doing. So that's what helps me switch gears because I feel like if I stay in this realm of R &B all the time, you just get stagnant.

22:17Jim Jackson:And that's what happens to a lot of R &B artists is they just sit in this area and they've talked about lovemaking so much that that's all they talk about. What about heartbreak? Okay, well, I'm going to do heartbreak and do lovemaking. Well, what else? What else are you going to talk about? You have to have these certain things. is music is just a gumbo of flavors, and you have to dig into all of it. Now, I've never made gumbo, so I can't go through the ingredients.

22:45October London:You know what I'm saying? We get the analogy, though. We get the analogy.

22:47Jim Jackson:You know, so I've never made gumbo. I'm scared to death of it because I know my first pot of gumbo is going to be trash. Hot garbage. So you have all these things, and you've got to take the meat and the potatoes, and that's all I'm going to give to you because that's all I know. It's from shrimp. And you've got to take all these things, and you have to show people that you can do all this stuff. You can't just make steak every freaking day. You've got to make ribs. You've got to make all these things. You've got to make your sides and all that. So that's what music to me is. So that's how I stay relevant.

23:20Jim Jackson:And I surprise my fans, but I also tell them, hey, look, on Friday you're going to get October London. On Saturday you're going to get Sam Nash. on Sunday in Monaco, you're going to get my DJ EDM name is DJ Dirty Chai. So you're going to get all three of these guys at the same time. And you're going to get the brand of October London, which is the bourbon. You're going to get a brand of the wine that I just got done doing a deal with. I got a line coming and it'll be coming to your house. I'm going to get your address. And I'm going to get that sent. So you have all these things that you have to touch different people.

23:54Jim Jackson:You can't just stay in one lane. There's more than one bank in this world.

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25:15October London:You broaden out your horizon and, and also your talent allows you to be able to do that. But that is a challenging genre of music. We see that with Beyonce, okay? And Beyonce is Beyonce. What's the challenges for you? And I know you love the music. You talked about different. I'm the same way. I listen. I was in Rotterdam a year before last at the North Sea Jazz Festival. Couldn't wait to see the closeout performance by Sting. So I appreciate it. But for country, just such a niche. like the country, you know, people who love their music are staunch. They don't want it to be touched. So how mentally have you entered that space to prepare for what comes with that?

26:02October London:You already talked about the Marvin stuff. What came with that? Nashville and countries is totally different.

26:09Jim Jackson:I'm super comfortable making country music and in, in my house and in the studio, but man, I'm not going to lie. There's this, as Sam Nash, I'm going out on tour starting, I think, the 6th or the 8th. No, the 8th. 8th of October. I'm scared to death. I'm scared to death, man, to do it, to be honest. You know what I'm saying? We got the Duelies and Damsels Tour starting the 8th in Chicago, St. Louis the 9th, Nashville October 14th, and Atlanta the 24th. And we're starting at the City Winers. I'm scared to death, to be honest, man. With R &B, I was like, eh, whatever. But with this country music, man, country music is like bourbon.

26:52Jim Jackson:It's it's a it's it's a it's a cult, man. It's they are super serious about that. They are super serious about their bourbon in Kentucky. And they're serious about country music when it comes down to, you know, the writing style and where you're going and are you a fraud and all that kind of stuff. you know r &b is like a if you're an r &b r &b is we should make it a little harder to get into but r &b is like free submission in the club right yeah i'm saying you know and country you put out a country record and i won't mention the artists that have gotten uh you know beat up in country but you if you don't come correct they'll get they'll just they'll just be like nope no play on the radio, no playing the bars, no playing nothing.

27:41Jim Jackson:So for me to gear up for it, I've just tried to be still myself. I just like making the music. I'm not going out there like, howdy cowboy and all this. And I got a farm and I ride horses. No, not saying that. With Sam Nash, you're getting, I'm not, I'm not with the Cavender. I haven't bought any Cavendish boots, but I'm going on Louis Vuitton and getting these cowboy boots from Louis Vuitton, so I'm still the bougie cowboy type of vibe. I'm still coming in clean. I might have the cowboy hat, but it's a Louis Vuitton cowboy hat, so I'm coming in like the Louis... Actually, I might be the Louis Vuitton cowboy.

28:26Jim Jackson:I might have to go with that right there. But you understand what kind of conflict

28:30October London:that can create in that, because even though and you said this and i think a lot of people understand is that basically country is an offshoot of gospel the blues that kind of because it tells a lot of stories heartbreak you know a lot of things like that have happened in people's lives and it's the way you present that you know as the average man woman that you know survived whatever it was that happened in their life and now you come in and want to jazz not that other country artists didn't do but they were country artists. So people can still relate to that. You're talking about dropping in from 30 ,000 feet and having the Louie on and the Taylor suit and doing this with the cowboy hat.

29:13October London:Do you think that people will miss, especially the people are big country will misinterpret that and then not really listen to your music because of that and not hear what you're saying?

29:23Jim Jackson:Yeah, I think they'll, I think they'll, I think they'll, I think they'll take the music serious. I think at first, this first little go around for this first Doolies and Damsles tour, I think that they're going to definitely look at me over the thing like, what you doing? Hold on, let me see what you got here. You know, that type of thing. I think they're going to look at me and say, who is Sam Natch? And then somebody's going to say, oh, he's really October 9th. He's really a Grammy Award winning artist already. In country? No, in R &B. What the hell is he doing here? Oh, he wanted to express himself.

29:57Jim Jackson:Yeah, we'll see about that. And I think that's going to be the first hurdle. If I can get past that first hurdle, I think I'll be I think I'll be OK. But I think the music will speak for itself. I think they'll hear it and they'll say, OK, all right. All right. The music is speaking for itself. I like the music. But is he true to this artistry? Is he true to the brand of country? Is he true to the roots? hey look i live in indiana and although you got cornfields some odd miles away and all that it's in country country i'm not down south so hopefully now if i was a guy come from new york they could really kind of beat me up about it but i think being in indiana they'll be like all right we'll take a listen but we're definitely going to be on you oh trust me watch i'm going to get backlash i'm me and you are going to have a call but in the coming weeks i'm gonna say yeah remember Remember when we did the podcast, they gave me a little pushback.

30:58Jim Jackson:But that's where my job comes in to show them, hey, look, I'm not here to disrespect just the craft and everything country. I'm just here to have fun, show my appreciation, pay homage to country. And I'm not saying, oh, I deserve a country Grammy and all that. I just want to have fun. That's all I want to do. I want to go back to when making music is just fun, you know, and that's honestly why I like being on Death Row, because I could still have fun, you know. So hopefully they take me, they bring me into their homes and they love the country music so far. It's been it's been it's been pretty good.

31:39Jim Jackson:And we had a little test run with Jamie Foxx and Snoop put out a movie called Day Shift on Netflix. and that was obviously first number one movie I could have under my belt because I did the music on it and I did a song called I Don't Give a Damn and I went as October London because I didn't have Sam Nash built yet so I just went as October London and dude the feedback was crazy they loved it but they couldn't put a face

32:13October London:on it they were like

32:14Jim Jackson:we don't know who this is we don't know if he's white, black, whatever, we just know we love the song. And it did views. They loved it. They loved it. It was one of the most popular songs on Day Shift was that song. It's when Snoop is driving in on the Dodge Durango, which I'm a big fan of Dodge Ram. He rode in on Dodge, not Durango, Dodge Ram, and he met up with Jamie Foxx, and they was playing, I may be a fool with my money, but don't call me broke. they loved it bro and they didn't even know what my face looked like or nothing and i was like okay so the music is gonna speak for himself the music is gonna speak for itself so i can give you good music i just don't want you to judge me on my appearance so i'm not showing up in the suit i'm showing up in levi with the levi jeans with the with the louis boots and that's it like you You know, Louis hat, cowboy hat, Louis boots, but everything else is denim.

33:12Jim Jackson:Levi, I'm not going all suited out. That's October London's look. You know what I'm saying? DJ Dirty Chai is more urban look, you know, all that kind of stuff. But, you know, the Dolce shoe, all that kind of stuff, the whole urban look. But Sam Nash, I hope they just take it. I just hope they take me serious because I'm not here to make fun of country. I'm not here to outshine someone. I'm just here because I love country. I respect it, and I just want to have fun in it. I may be, I'm here for a good time, not a long time.

33:39October London:No, I got you. And, you know, I appreciate it because I appreciate what you're saying and what you're doing because you're stepping out there and you're betting on yourself. It's a fear there of kind of the backlash, but not fear that they will not like what you put out, which is totally two different things in what you're saying. And betting on yourself is important. And, you know, you work with Snoop now, what was it, 2016, 2017, that he signed you? And we know the background about that. But working with Snoop, is there something now that you worked with him now eight years that we don't know about?

34:12October London:Now, he because he's out there. But is it something we don't know about Snoop?

34:17Jim Jackson:Man, something you don't know about Snoop. He can't hold his liquor.

34:23October London:Hey, now that. Yeah, OK. OK. I mean, Snoop weighed like 105.

34:30Jim Jackson:Man, look, I made I made a drink for Snoop at Dr. Dre's house. man. We were working on a missionary album at Dr. Dre's, man. And Snoop was like, you know what? I'm in a good mood. Why don't you make me one of them drinks you be making? I said, you sure? He was like, yeah. I was like, you want me to light it up, though? You know what I'm making? He's like, no, no. Make it how you make it. Okay. I made them, you know. What did I make them?

34:54October London:Come on, don't tell me it was something light, bro. It had to be some bourbon or something. No? Tequila? No, no, no, no.

35:02Jim Jackson:You know what? It might have been it might have been like, because you know Dre does gin and juice. It might have been, and obviously Snoop does gin and juice too, but I think I was like, you know, I'm drinking tequila right now. I'm going to make you a tequila and apple juice or tequila and orange juice or something. And I made it, I did a two-finger pour. Two-finger pour.

35:24October London:You had a lot of ice or would you just add a couple cubes just to lighten it up? Would you?

35:29Jim Jackson:Couple cubes, couple cubes. That did it. you know swirled it around make it nice and chilled it was warm outside we're sitting back in Dre's beautiful house and we're taking a break and he's got to drinking he was like this is good and then he kept drinking a little bit and he kept drinking a little bit he kept drinking a little bit more and it was gone and next thing you know he was laughing and joking and talking

35:53October London:and then he left

35:54Jim Jackson:and then he left he left he just left I was like where'd he go man I'm fucked up all that smoking all that smoking in the drink is the alcohol right dog it was the alcohol that got him I was like damn I was like that's crazy but but I he got his get back man I was at his studio I was at the compound in LA and and I was like you know what he just went in the back room to go probably pass out or whatever and uh I was like you know what I see this let me get this joint out to ashtray had a little Emmy because he stopped that. Usually people stop real short. I was like, I'm going to just hit it real quick.

36:34Jim Jackson:Took a hit. Took another hit. Okay, it tastes good. Yeah, like, it tastes good. It tastes good. And he was waiting on me this time to do a record. Man. I passed out on the couch at the compound. Bro, I was done. So I was like, okay, that was my personal get back. So, you know. Snoop set you up.

36:57October London:He put it out there on purpose. That's what he He did. He put it out there on purpose.

37:02Jim Jackson:That's what he was doing. Like, welcome to death row. You know what I'm saying?

37:07October London:Oh, man. It is interesting, man, just to hear these kind of stories and stuff and kind of see where you're going. And one of the things I asked Sean Stockman, too, because you combine an R &B, kind of old school, new school, in five years, where do you see R &B?

37:33October London:I don't I don't This is different You what?

37:39Jim Jackson:It ain't gonna be good man

37:41October London:Really?

37:41Jim Jackson:I'm just being honest It's We have R &B artists And man I know I'm gonna get back Flash for saying this But I'm gonna say it anyway Because this is how I feel And I feel like I can I do so many interviews a day man And I feel like You know being on this I'm having fun talking to you, you know, you big bro. I can be real, man. R &B artists have an extreme crabs in a barrel mentality. We are so honed in on outdoing each other that we don't have, I think it was R.L., Genuine, Tyrese. was it Tank? It wasn't Tank. It was the one joint that they did. Best Man That I Can Be. They were singing together and hanging on each other's shoulder.

38:43Jim Jackson:They were just singing together as a unit and having fun. They were just pouring their heart out about brotherhood and being together in R &B. We ain't got that no more. we ain't got that. We don't have that anymore. I can call Tyrese. Me and Tyrese have done numerous records. We just finished one. He's probably about to drop it tonight at midnight. Knowing him.

39:07October London:So is this, what was the one you dropped? It was, it was on his CD. It was a, it was a bullet. Yeah. What was it? Bedroom. Yeah. Yeah. Bedroom bully. That's it. Yeah. Ooh, fire, fire.

39:20Jim Jackson:Start with a kiss licking on your lips. That's a deal.

39:26October London:Yeah.

39:30October London:That's crazy. Yeah, crazy. But is that an industry? Because music all around has changed. But every era has a different, I don't care if it's sports, if it's music, if it's acting, if it's movies. It's not going to stay the same. Every era is going to change and has to change. But what you're saying is that from an R &B perspective, it's really diminished and killed the genre of R &B because of those changes.

39:57Jim Jackson:Absolutely. Everybody's just, hey, I ain't going to, look, I ain't going to, like I said, I'm not going to, I'm not going to say names, but I've been in situations where I've performed with, in the vicinity of R &B artists and they have completely, completely treated me like shit and i'm like i i i can't wait to get to this this venue to meet these these these a couple artists and i'm like man you're such a fan you know i'm saying oh yo this person oh man i grew up listening to your oh man yo yo my boy is a big fan i'm big fan we gotta do something together and you get there and and they they completely just treat you like you know you you you you broken a house and stole something and i i've had that so many times over man to where i just get frustrated and i i just get down like damn man i was i i've i've been listening to you for 15 years 20 years and then you're gonna do me like this you're gonna call security you're gonna you're gonna cut my mic you're gonna have somebody come out and pull the cords on me man you i'm competitive one of my my number one favorite artists is r kelly hands down no matter what that's my favorite artist and i learned from the best as far as writing style from him man i'm not letting up and charlie wilson called me and told me he said don't you let nobody outdo you and i said i said all right charlie he said i don't know you're not hearing me don't you let nobody out do you get on that stage no matter if it's me whoever it is you go out on that stage you go give 120 percent you go out there and put up 50 points real quick and i'm like okay charlie all right uncle charlie i got you on charlie and now i get it i get it but in a respectful way though in a respectful way

41:48October London:right competitive compete go out there and do your thing in a respectful way and not taking away from what this other artist or other artists is doing is what he's saying right yeah in a respectful way

41:59Jim Jackson:but if if they get out of pocket then then then you you go out there and kill them vocally out out of pocket then you you go you go take care of it you go you you they started but you ended it's like bringing a knife to a gunfight and i just have that competitive snoop has to call me sometimes and be like man you got you got you going at people's throats right now like on songs like you know to the point where r &b artists are sending me records and they're not sending me their references on there they're not sending me with their verses on they want to hear what i'm put in.

42:29October London:Then they'll come back with theirs.

42:34Jim Jackson:I'm like, well, hey, if that's what y 'all want to do, cool. We can do that. We can do that all day. I'm just competitive, man. I'm super competitive. And I just get out there and I do what I can. I'm humble about mine. I don't get out there and act like I'm the best singer in the world because Tank is one of my favorite artists and that dude can sing his ass off. And I study him and his runs. I study his runs and everything. And I'm still studying Tank's runs. But when it comes to writing, R. Kelly was the one that I was just like, oh, I can't believe he even thought about that. Why did I not think of that?

43:14Jim Jackson:So I'm competitive by nature, man, but I respect all these R &B artists and I just wish that I got the respect back. Do I get it from certain artists? Absolutely. From a majority of artists, whether it's Sean from Boys and Men, he just texted me like, yo, let's do something. You know, Tyree.

43:30October London:Sean is a Libra. Like me, you Snoop. Sean is a Libra. So he gets it. Who else? Who else hit you up?

43:39Jim Jackson:Ooh. Man, I got so many. I got rappers hit me up. I just did a record for Game 4's Documentary 3. That's going to be crazy. So many artists, man. Like I said, I've worked with Dre. I've worked with so many artists. but the ones that some of some of some of and that's a handful a handful of only treating me dirty or whatnot and that's cool it's fine but but enough but enough to let you know how this industry is though too yeah especially when they i'm on death row records i'm the flagship for death row records which is a rap label so for me to do that is all crazy automatically but i'm on death row where i have i can move a certain way i can say man snoop up in an EDM move.

44:21Jim Jackson:He'd be like, go ahead and make it, nephew. Let's go. Let's go. Let's put it out. Get him. Get him. But these artists on these labels, I'm not going to name the labels, but all these big major labels, they're not letting their artists do none of this, man. They're not letting them go. They're not letting them go out there and go put all these points on the board. Why? Because you got to make sure this person is, oh, you know what? You can't put this album out right now because this artist right now is a little bit bigger. So, you know, you got to give them their shine. You know, we know you'll get them, but, you know, you'll probably do better, but we got to give them their shine because the contract states, Snoop is totally different.

44:59Jim Jackson:He's like, look, man, how you feel today? You know, I feel like doing a Mo' Better blues vibe type of album. Can't wait to hear it. I'll talk to you when you're done. He ain't over the shoulder like, eh, I don't like that. Eh, you should do this. Eh, we got to call this person. Snoop knows, write, produce, mix, master, engineer, everything. everything so he's like just call me when it's done send it to me send it to me we transfer let's get it and then he'll be like when you want to put it out well you know i feel like this more better blues i'm gonna be probably good during like the winter man you know it's cuffing season i feel like people gonna be in the house they need to vibe and we smoke a cigar they're gonna be drinking their october's bourbon you know i think they should get this all right cool cool we'll put it out in december but remember just at least put out a christmas album too all right snoop for sure we'll shake up on it done deal snoop is the easiest person to get along with

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47:06is there and it doesn't matter what genre is there an artist or two that you want to particularly

47:11Jim Jackson:work with absolutely there are um let me just get it right one two there's literally only three there's only three artists that i want to work with right now um that i'm just like man if i work with these artists i will just fulfill the bucket list obviously one i can't fulfill i'm not so I can't do that that was number one hands down number two oh no I'm sorry that was five the fifth one I can't because he's incarcerated Maxwell me and Maxwell haven't done a song together but Maxwell's a big fan of mine I talk to Maxwell at least two or three times a week dude man beautiful soul man always checks up on me you need anything I'm like I'm good man you need anything all good Maxwell I gotta do a song with him I gotta do a song with John mayor.

48:07Jim Jackson:Dude, one of my favorite, favorite artists. I got to do it in that. Sade, man. Oh, come on, man.

48:13October London:Stop playing, man. Stop playing. Don't do that to me. Oh, yeah. I got a chance here at the last concert tour in 2010. I had goosebumps, bro.

48:23Jim Jackson:But we just close, close. We just missed the incident of the crime with me and me. Yeah, I know. That's right. So, kind of. It's kind of there. It's kind of there. It's a crime with Sade sample on it. And then lastly, the man, the myth, the legend himself, D 'Angelo, man. Brown Sugar? Come on, man. Stop.

48:44October London:Come on, stop. You know what? And I love that, too. You know who I love to see you do a duet with on this level is Alex Eisen.

48:54Jim Jackson:She was supposed to be on the tour, but she was overseas. Was she? Me and her. I called my agent, Dennis Ashley, called Alex Eisen's team and was like, Man, October loves Alex, man. And he would love for her to be on tour. And she was like, damn it. She was like, I'm over the scene. She was like, man. She was like, I've been wanting to do something. Like, do a tour. Oh, she was, dude, I love Alex. She has a beautiful soul. Beautiful. And man, can she sing her ass off?

49:23October London:Yeah, that's one of my favorite ones. Just because, you know, she's promotionally probably not being pitched or probably out there like that because of the style of what she sings. but when you listen to her music, you feel a lot better. You feel like you're in a certain space, peace of mind. It gets you thinking. It gets you laid, especially if you have a nice cigar. We got a little something on the side, a little drink. When you're chilling, it's just something about her voice.

49:51Jim Jackson:Man, Alex Isley's a beast, man. I love Alex Isley. You know, she's on the list as well. As far as female collaboration, Alex Isley, Shade's number one on the list, obviously. Those two men are just, oh, her, her is amazing.

50:14Jim Jackson:Yeah, man, it's a few artists that I've been wanting to work with. There's a couple others. I can't think off the rip right now because I'm brain fogged. But man, Alex Isley's a beast, man. And I hope, you know, we've been having conversations little by little about having the next October London tour in 2026. And Alex Isley is definitely on the top of the list of being like, yo, please come out with me. I just love to tour with you. Pick your blind. Maybe we might even do a couple of records together while we're on the road, maybe EP. You know, so artists like that, man, I just love. I'm inspired by and I just look forward to it but this next October London tour which I'm going to talk to you about privately just to let you know where my head is at dude if you see where my head is at man it's going to be crazy crazy crazy crazy so you know

51:09October London:a couple more things well I'd love to see I didn't go this year I went to Afro Nation in Portugal for it was Afro Beats but I'd love to see you performing at Rotterdam North Sea Jazz Festival. I just think in Europe, when you go to these events, and that's one of the oldest, it started off as a jazz festival, but you got all these different genres, big groups, small acts, whatever it is. I saw some more, what was it? Samara Joy, young jazz artist, probably out of Bronx. She's out of Bronx, 23, 24, being compared to a young Billie Holiday. but I see artists like that. So you got big names like, you know, it was Sting did his and Seal did his and I saw Sam Jones do that, but then you have smaller acts too.

52:00October London:And I seen you a smaller act, but it just goes up and down. Tim's was there, you know, so it's not just jazz. It's all these genres. I think that they really buy into that appreciation of your sound and you can do different parts of who you are, which would be great. I love to see that. And when you're making your music, and I just got a couple more things before we get out of here. You know we've got to hit the cigar thing. But when you're making your music, is there a message you want your fans to take out of it?

52:33I just want them to take out of it that what I was speaking on earlier,

52:39Jim Jackson:a lot of artists are doing songs because label heads are over their shoulders saying, sing this, say this, do this, all that. I'm coming straight from the heart. This is just how I feel. So all of my music that you're getting is real. It's no gimmicks to it. And you came to one of my shows where I was like, hey, ain't no auto-tune on my shit. Right. You know, like, you know, and that's kind of a jab, you know. Like I said, you know. You put it in there.

53:09October London:You put it out there. I got you. Yeah, I put it out there. I got you.

53:12Jim Jackson:So I'm just, you know, I'm just talking shit. I like to talk shit on stage. I just like, I like to be myself. And that's the thing. on stage off stage whether you know you're at you're at my crib you're never going to get fake jared not like screw october sam nash dita jared as as just a human being as a person you're never going to get you're never going to get fake out of me at all because i don't want nobody to be fake to me you know if if if i'm doing something out of pocket whether it's online or something I expect my big brothers like you or Tyrese to be like, yeah, you know, you know, like looking out.

53:52Jim Jackson:Cause that's what we're supposed to do. We're supposed to look out for each other being in the entertainment industry, whether it's basketball, football, music, whatever it is. That's, that's kind of our job to keep each other in check in a, in a respective way to be like, Hey, look, man, bro, don't, don't let people get to you like that. Don't let this get to you. So I always like to show my fans, like, I'm just a real person. and I'm just here to have a good time and to hopefully get you guys to have a good time. And I was at the grocery store the other day and this dude had his kid and he was like, man, you know who that is?

54:28Jim Jackson:And he was like, I think so. And he was like, oh, that's October 1st. He was like, what? What are you doing in here? I'm like, little man, I need groceries too. You know what I'm saying?

54:38October London:Hey, man, that is, but you deserve it. I mean, with success comes challenges. I mean, you're going to have pushback, whether it's through the labels itself or the industry or individuals. But that's the beautiful part about it because a lot of people quit. A lot of people won't continue to push forward because of the negativity or being stereotyped or being put in the box. They can't handle the pressure of being scrutinized, and that's what comes with it. The higher you grow, the more famous you get, the more scrutiny is going to come. But it's scrutiny for a reason because if you're not successful, then people ain't going to really talk about you anyway.

55:16October London:So that means you're doing something right. So that comes with the territory. And I'm sure you understand that. I know you know that. I know you're not pulling back. Plus, you're a Libra. Now, all that we talked about, fire, most important question here. Chilling at home. You grabbing a cigar first or you grabbing a bourbon? Cigar first. Okay. I was about to say, because you're going to have some problems if you didn't say. And it's something different about people that don't smoke cigars don't understand what it is that we do that really just sit back and enjoy a nice cigar, whether you're in great company or if you're just chilling by yourself.

56:05October London:is something about that cigar that gives you a certain clarity, a certain easiness to your thought process. To me, I mean, that's, it's just, I'm in a whole different world, bro. And I got my cigar.

56:21Jim Jackson:I am, man. Every time I grab my cigar, that's the first thing I grab. And then I figure out, you know, what, what, what beverage I'm going to have with it. Sometimes it's with my bourbon. Other times it, you know, it'd be a wine. I'm a wine person through and through, you know, but when I grabbed that cigar, that first total of that cigar, I kind of sit back and I just get the thing like, like, like, what have I not done? Who do I need to call? Exactly. Okay. You know, that's that cigar. That first hit that cigar, you kind of lean back on the wall and be like, you know what? Wait a minute. What do I need to do today?

57:02Jim Jackson:And that's how I kind of start my day off is with that, man. And just, you know, I got an eight-year-old son, man. So, you know, I get up every morning, make sure he's good. Then after that, I grab my cigar and I just sit back. And, you know, lately I've been looking at everything that I have right now, how blessed I am and how good God has been. And I'm just sitting in this garage. I'm in the garage now. And, you know, I'm just like, man, okay, what's the next level? What's the next step? What have I not done? Not musically, but what have I not done for the people around me? What have I not done for people that mess with me, that, you know, really are with me?

57:43Jim Jackson:You know, what have I not done for my church? What have I not done for my parents? What can I do to ease stress of the people around me? And that's my biggest thing because, you know, I'm at this level of success, thanks to God, and my hard work second. God first, hard work second. And I just kind of sit back and like, all right, what do I need to do? Let me call my dad up. Hey, man, you guys need anything? Like I said, my dad's successful. They're retired, my parents. They don't need nothing. I just be calling them. Hey, what's up? What you need? Oh, we're about to go to the store. You want me to go?

58:15Jim Jackson:You want me to go to the store? I'll go get it for you, whatever you need. And then after that, I'm talking to them. I'm, you know, asking, you know, my son's mom and my son's mom are separated. I'm just like, hey, is everything good? Is there anything I fell back on? Is there anything? Obviously not. I'm like, all right, but just making sure that everybody around me is good. And it's tough because you and me are Libras in some way, shape, or form. We're alike. We like to make sure everybody is good and everybody's taken care of and nobody feels like, you know, you're abandoning them or not talking to them for whatever reason.

58:45Jim Jackson:So we like to take care of people. So, you know, I just really take that first hit of that cigar, and I just kind of sit back, and I'm like, okay, what do I need to do? And, you know, I just thank God for everything that I have, man, for real.

59:00October London:Well, with that kind of attitude and that kind of perspective, bro, it's nothing that you can't do, nothing you can't accomplish. There'll be some hiccups, some bumps in the road, some challenges, but the road to success is not easy. There's not a smooth path. You got to figure your way out. You got to go through some heartbreak, some difficult times. But at the end of the day, when you love what you do, there's really not work. You just got to figure out what your lane is and keep it moving. So, brother, you know I'm here. I love it. I appreciate you taking the time to jump on. I know you're busy, but, you know, I'm following.

59:33October London:I'm watching. Anytime you want to chop it up, let me know. Can't wait to get that bourbon. Then the wine is coming next, and then the tour, then all of this. So I'm buying in. I've been there since day one, and I'm loving every bit of it. So I appreciate you, brother. I want you to enjoy that cigar, that bourbon. Have a great day, great weekend. You know we'll catch up soon, especially when you get back to L.A.

59:58Jim Jackson:Absolutely. Thank you so much, man. You know, I'm going to have you out here, man. I'm going to fly you out here, man. We got to hang out. Especially, you know, it's about to be football time. It gets cooler in the Midwest. I got to get you out here, like, within a month, man. Otherwise, it's going to get chilly. Yeah, you ain't coming when it's snowing.

1:00:11October London:I tell you that now.

1:00:13Jim Jackson:That's what I'm saying, bro. I got to get you out. I got to get you out here while it's in the seventies and eighties before it gets to the fifties and forties.

1:00:21October London:I could do sixties. I could do sixties.

1:00:24Jim Jackson:Yeah. But we got to go, we got to, you know, we got to do the whole, the whole thing, man. So we got to, we got to make that happen. And, and to anybody that's watching this, man, that you have kids, make sure, you know, by the way, I've, you know, I'm also a business owner as well. So, you know, if you have kids, man, go to, go to, go on YouTube, go to doggy land, Me, Snoop, and Claude Brooks on Doggy Lane, the kids show, man, that just absolutely exploded, man. If you've heard of Cocomelon and you've heard of Gracie's Corner and all that, man, we're in the top five, man, of one of the best kids shows, man, out there.

1:00:58Jim Jackson:Educational kids show. We do affirmations. We do, you know, ABCs, your numbers. We're doing stuff from our report here in Salmon, Indiana. and it goes all the way to Kenya. It goes all the way to Malawi, Africa. It goes all the way to Australia. So we're just doing so well with this kid stuff, man. I'm just so happy that the kids love the music and the things that I'm doing. My son's got a kid's book coming out. He's on the show as well. You know, he goes by Lil Tug. And, you know, I voice the character Wolfie on Doggy Land. I do the music and I'm co-owner of Doggy Land. So for anybody watching, on YouTube.

1:01:39Jim Jackson:Go to YouTube. Okay, got it. Yep, YouTube or YouTube kids and type in Doggyland. It's going to pop right up, man. And I'm just very grateful and very blessed, man. So I just appreciate being on this show, man, on this podcast. This is honestly one of the best that I've ever done, man. I just love you for having me on, man. And just thank you. I appreciate you.

1:02:00October London:Always, brother. Always. Talk to you soon, too.

1:02:04Jim Jackson:Yes, sir. Thank you, brother.

1:02:06October London:Man, that was a vibe. Big thank you to October London, a.k.a. Sam Nash, for blessing us with some stories, some laughs, and of course that energy that only true R &B can give. If you haven't already, go stream his music. It's therapy for your ears and also for the speakers. And as always, thank you for kicking it with us here on the show. Until next time, stay cool, stay soulful, and don't do anything October wouldn't sing about.

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