In short
Trey Hendrickson’s Bengals training-camp holdout and what it means, plus quarterback offseason storylines and the Pro Football Hall of Fame induction week (Kurt Warner).
Guests and backgrounds
Kurt Warner, Pro Football Hall of Famer; NFL GameDay morning host/Westwood One Monday Night Football voice. Trey Hendrickson is discussed as the Bengals defensive end in camp (final holdout, met with media). Other referenced guests: Diana Rossini (The Athletic/NFL insider), Daniel Jeremiah (NFL Network analyst).
Key claims
Hendrickson’s holdout is tied to contract/guaranteed-money expectations not being met; he’s avoiding distractions and expects a resolution, noting the current deal’s one-year left won’t be played. Warner expects Jaden Daniels to be a breakout again in year two. Ben Johnson’s offense could speed up Caleb Williams by blending “pure progression” with defender-read concepts. Warner picks Aaron Rodgers as most poised among new/changed QB situations.
Notable examples
Warner contrasts progression vs defender-read, citing Chicago’s slow play and sacks for Caleb last year. Rodgers’ late-season improvement and Pittsburgh’s defensive strength. Warner’s Hall of Fame gold jacket (310th inductee) and Bengals “start fast” discussion.
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOCleveland Browns Draft Pick Discussion
0:31 to 1:16
Discussion about the Cleveland Browns' selection of Shador Sanders.
“With the 144th pick, the Cleveland Browns select Shador Sanders.”
Recap of Previous Guests
1:16 to 2:12
Recap of guests previously on the show including Diana Rossini and Daniel Jeremiah.
“Yeah, just say Michael Jordan to make it sound good.”
Kurt Warner Joins the Show
2:12 to 2:38
Introduction of Kurt Warner as a guest and discussion about his gold jacket.
“Coming up and your phone calls at 844-204-RICH.”
Kurt's Gold Jacket and Its Significance
2:38 to 4:25
Kurt Warner discusses his gold jacket and the memories associated with it.
“Actually, they actually sent me a new gold jacket.”
Quarterback Season Preview
4:25 to 6:47
Kurt Warner shares insights on quarterbacks to watch in the upcoming season.
“My wife is not even leaving if I'm wearing that jacket out around town.”
Caleb Williams and Ben Johnson's Potential
6:47 to 9:09
Discussion about Caleb Williams and the impact of Ben Johnson's coaching style.
“Then obviously the season blew up on the coaching staff.”
Aaron Rodgers and the Steelers
9:09 to 14:00
Kurt Warner talks about Aaron Rodgers' fit with the Steelers and team dynamics.
“Caleb Williams is and what he's capable of doing.”
Discussing the Hall of Fame and Jackets
14:00 to 17:56
The hosts chat about the Hall of Fame induction and their attire choices.
“I believe they're going to, you know, I don't want to say surprise people.”
Kurt Warner's Hall of Fame Reflection
17:56 to 19:25
Kurt Warner shares his thoughts on being inducted and the importance of teamwork.
“At least you didn't hear from Bill's Mafia for the next 22 weeks, Kurt.”
Training Camp Build Up and Predictions
19:25 to 23:34
Discussion about the upcoming NFL season and predictions for teams.
“for the Hall of Fame induction ceremonies.”
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Training Camp Build Up and Predictions
23:37 to 24:22
Discussion about the upcoming NFL season and predictions for teams.
“O 'Reilly Auto Parts gets you back to savings.”
Trey Hendrickson's Contract Situation
24:22 to 28:05
Discussion of Trey Hendrickson's contract negotiations and training camp.
“Mike Del Tufo over there, when Justin Hartley of This Is Us was here on Friday, he planks weights on his back.”
Trey Hendrickson's Training Camp Insights
28:05 to 31:28
Learn about Trey Hendrickson's perspective on his contract situation and team dynamics.
“And she's like, just because somebody's holding in doesn't mean somebody's closer.”
Win-Loss Predictions for the Bengals
31:28 to 34:23
Discover predictions for the Bengals' upcoming season and analysis of potential outcomes.
“You live in Virginia, but you're from the Queen City?”
Team Dynamics and Player Relationships
34:23 to 39:44
Explore the complexities of player relationships and their impact on team performance.
“Even the year they made the Super Bowl in his first year, he blows his knee out, right?”
Haircuts and Observations
43:41 to 46:34
Suzy discusses her new haircut and how it went unnoticed by others.
“Let's talk about what we were just talking about.”
Discussion on Women's Sports
46:34 to 48:27
The hosts discuss an incident at the Dream Game and the significance of women's sports.
“I'm muting my mic because I was about to say.”
Cheryl Miller's Impact
48:27 to 50:39
The conversation shifts to Cheryl Miller's legacy and challenges in women's sports.
“And you know, I watched last night, I don't know if any of you have seen it, but there's a one-hour doc that HBO did.”
Transcript
Automatic transcript. May contain errors.0:00In ESPN's wild world of college football, every Saturday begins with a ritual. And then, the migration turns to mayhem. Predators hunt, territories are defended, rivals clash. In this wild world, legends are unleashed on Saturdays. No one brings you closer to the wild than ESPN. College football on ESPN kicks off August 28th. Witness the wild on ABC, ESPN, and the ESPN app. This right now is the Rich Eisen Show. With the 144th pick, the Cleveland Browns select Shador Sanders. From the Rich Eisen Show studio in Los Angeles.
0:45Rich Eisen:The owner of the Cleveland Browns, Jimmy Haslam, met with the media today. At the end of the day, that's Andrew Barry's call. Andrew made the call to pick Shador. Because you told him to call. Earlier on the show, senior NFL insider for The Athletic, Diana Rossini. NFL Network analyst Daniel Jeremiah. Coming up, Pro Football Hall of Famer Kurt Warner. And now, it's Rich Eisen. That's right. Hour number three of the Rich Eisen Show is on the air, going down memory lane for some of the stuff I just found in my office, the 1998 Jimmy V Golf Tournament celebrity list. Who won? Do you remember who won that thing?
1:22Rich Eisen:I don't. Probably MJ. Yeah, just say Michael Jordan to make it sound good. I don't. I don't. But I think it was also, again, it was a charity thing. So you played with groups and it was a shamble and things like that. There was no winner. It wasn't like American Century. Right, right, right. You got to hit your own ball. Then there's no hiding from the truth. But at any rate, we also had Diana Roussini on the program. Great chat with my guy from NFL Network, Daniel Jeremiah. If you missed any of it, there's our podcast, All Three Hours. Get it wherever you get your podcast. Thanks to our friends at Cumulus.
1:58Rich Eisen:Also, there's our YouTube channel, youtube.com slash Rich Eisen show. Trey Hendrickson is in Bengals camp. He's the final holdout now holding in. He's met with the media. We're going to turn around those sound bites, play them for you. Coming up and your phone calls at 844-204-RICH. But joining me right now is my guy from NFL Game Day morning and also one of the voices of Monday Night Football on Westwood One. And as you could see by that yellow jacket, that gold jacket that's behind him, going to be coming out of, I imagine, the plastic covering from whatever local Arizona dry cleaner he sent it to at Kurt Warner here on the Rich Eyes Show.
2:38Rich Eisen:Good to see you, Kurt. Good to see you, man. Hey, buddy. What's going on? Actually, they actually sent me a new gold jacket. Why? So it wasn't dry. I don't know. I guess it was just time. So I got a couple in my closet. I got another one that was sent to me and haven't pulled it out of the plastic yet, but probably we'll be doing that this weekend or maybe throwing on one of the other ones for our coverage. Well, and I know you, and I know this isn't a cover for the fact that the first one doesn't fit you anymore. No, it's not. Are you too swole? Like, what happened? No, no, no. If I had to guess, is it, look at you.
3:15Rich Eisen:I'm assuming this might be maybe a new cut, a new look or something, maybe a new sponsor. I don't know. To tell you the truth, I do not even know. I was surprised when I got it. And, again, I'm not really sure exactly why. Probably should look into that. But I don't know. So I got it just hanging up behind me. And, you know, we'll break it out of the plastic at some point. It's a flex right there, Rich. Well, he's like the Scotty Scheffler of the Pro Football Hall of Fame now. He's got two jackets. So, all right. What are you going to do with the original, Kurt? What are you going to do with it?
3:48I'm going to keep them all. I mean, I don't wear them that much, so they're not really worn out. But I'm going to hang on to as many as I possibly can. I don't know what I'm going to do with them. But you get a gold jacket, you keep it in your closet. You do not do anything with that.
4:04Rich Eisen:Okay, now let's have fun before we move on here. Okay, so let's just say date night with Brenda, okay? You're going to take her to her favorite restaurant locally or wherever. What happens if you say, you know what, it's jacket required. I'm going to wear this one. And you pull out the Hall of Fame jacket and take her. What would happen if you did something like that? What happens is my wife wouldn't get out the door. My wife is not even leaving if I'm wearing that jacket out around town. That is specified for specific Hall of Fame type responsibilities. Yeah, she is not going with me. I'm going solo if that's the deal.
4:42Rich Eisen:Oh, man. All right, let's jump into it here, Kurt. The quarterback season you are most keen to see. Could it be the follow-up of Josh Allen to his MVP campaign? Any of last year's stellar rookies in year two? I'll give you the option of J.J. McCarthy, obviously, for him. Which one, if you could choose, that you're like, Rogers in Pittsburgh. I give you the floor. Which season is it that you're most interested in? That's a great question. Because there is. There's so many. There's so many great storylines, especially around the quarterbacks. But I'm getting you ready for game day morning, Kurt, where you have to choose one.
5:22Rich Eisen:I'm getting you. You are. Like your summer recess is over. You've got to choose. Yeah, I'm going to hemmen haw, and then I'll pick one for you. But I want to see Jaden Daniels in year two. I thought he was phenomenal last year. And, you know, if this is who this kid is and we get to see that same thing this year, I mean, we're looking at a superstar and I believe probably a future MVP in this league, if we can see that again. I think the intrigue with Caleb Williams and the change with Ben Johnson is exciting as well. Because you remember we called the game in London and he throws four touchdown passes and he looks every bit the part.
5:59And then things kind of spiraled and fell apart for the Chicago Bears and for Caleb kind of down the stretch. But I'm excited to see. I want to know who Caleb Williams is as well. And so I'm really excited to see him in this offense. I really like what Ben Johnson does, and I think it's going to give Caleb a better chance to succeed this year. You know, I'm looking forward to seeing Michael Penix, too, is that, you know, we just caught a glimpse of him at the end of last year. But I'm excited to see with all the talent he's got around him, you know, him as well. So I think there's just there's so many great things to see from a quarterback perspective.
6:34But I think I really want to see Jaden Daniels again. I so enjoyed watching him play. I couldn't wait to pop on the tape every single week to see what he was going to do. So I'm excited to see year two for him.
6:46Rich Eisen:Yeah. And then let's so now that I have my answer, let's go back to Caleb, because you were so vocal on your QB confidential YouTube page and everything else that you popped out on Caleb about the way he was playing, the way that they were having him play. Then obviously the season blew up on the coaching staff. knowing what ben johnson does and knowing what caleb needed to have done for him last year walk me through what this marriage means for caleb do you think right this is interesting because you know i've talked about a lot on game day morning and i talked about it for those that follow me this this whole pure progression idea that we're seeing kind of take over football and even um you know kind of take over the nfl and it simply means that you're giving a quarterback a play and the progression stays exactly the same no matter what defense you see it's one two three four five no matter what defense you see I fall into another category where I call it defender read uh type plays where I'm going back and I'm trying to look at a defender and I've got two receivers that are trying to put that guy in conflict I'm going to read that defender and let that defender tell me where I'm going to throw it so I believe the pure progression type system can slow a quarterback down because he's not reading kind of two guys at once and not able to get through things faster and that's what Chicago did most of the time last year and I felt like it really I feel like it hurts quarterbacks but I felt like it really hurt Caleb Williams and he got caught holding the football way too much leading to all those sacks and all of those issues okay bring in Ben Johnson now Ben Johnson does a version of pure progression type offense as well But what I love about what Ben does is that he ties his pure progression type offense into concepts that could be more defender read type concepts.
8:38So you're still reading it in a particular order, but it's designed around still putting that player in conflict. And I'm interested to see how that meshes with who Caleb Williams is, is that you still have your progression. but can he get into some more of that defender read and play the game faster than he did last year? Ben has a great system. I really like what he does and how he builds his offense. So I'm excited about that marriage. But I think it's going to give us a better chance to see who Caleb Williams is and what he's capable of doing. And can he play the game faster? And, you know, we go back to college and he was so dynamic and so good and especially good at creating and making these special plays.
9:21We need him to play more on time, on schedule, and making those kind of timing throws, which he didn't do very well last year. I think this system is going to give him a chance to do that better, and it's going to illuminate for all of us who Caleb Williams is at this point in time in his career, where last year I just felt like he was behind the eight ball, and he was playing slow, and I don't believe the system helped him to play faster.
9:49Rich Eisen:Kurt Warner here on the Rich Eisen Show getting set to go to the Hall of Fame induction ceremony, in which obviously he will take part, right here on the Rich Eisen Show. I've got six quarterbacks here in new places. The quarterback carousel didn't spin too much off its axis, certainly after Matthew Stafford decided to stay. That domino didn't tumble, right? So I've got Sam Darnold in Seattle, Geno in Vegas, Russ with the Giants, Daniel Jones in Indianapolis should he get the start and then the Jets and Steelers swapped quarterbacks Rodgers and Fields which one do you think is poised to have the season that everybody hopes they will have with their new quarterback Kurt yeah um I I'm gonna say Aaron Rodgers uh you know the guys that you mentioned I still have some questions on what things are going to look like Like Sam Darnold was phenomenal last year, but new system, you know, a lot of changes in Seattle.
10:47I mean, I don't know what that's going to look like. Justin Fields, I feel like he's still got a long ways to go in terms of, you know, playing the position. Although, you know, they could come up with a system that fits more of his skill set. But don't think he's, you know, quite there yet. And then when I look at Aaron, I thought he got better as the season went on last year, got more comfortable. I like the team there in terms of I think they're going to be a really good defensive team. Yeah, DK Metcalf. I think they've got some good skilled players there. And I just think Aaron's going to, you know, be a really solid quarterback this year.
11:28And I think they've got a good team and the pieces are there where I just feel like he's going to have the best chance to have team success this year. even if he doesn't play at, you know, MVP type level. But if he plays the way he did down the stretch last year with that defense and some of their playmakers, I think he's poised to do some good things. Tough division. Obviously, the AFC is really tough. So I don't know what that means in terms of, you know, playoffs and how far in the playoffs. But I do believe the Steelers are going to be a competitive football team, assuming that Aaron takes even another step forward, you know, being a year removed from that Achilles.
12:09Rich Eisen:Plus, you know, he's not the guy the Steelers are looking to set the tone, right? Right. And the others in the locker room that he's being asked to lead from the quarterback position are kind of closer to him in age, status, peer, right? Than him walking to a Jets locker room coming off of an Achilles injury. and some of them are almost damn near half his age. As a matter of fact, the guy he was handing off to him, Braylon Allen, was in fact half his age. And Tomlin is not going anywhere, all the craziness that was there. I kind of think he's in a perfect position to succeed in Pittsburgh, just that alone, Kurt.
12:58Yeah, I agree. I don't think there's going to be all the craziness that there was with the New York Jets. I believe, as you said, Mike Tomlin kind of settles that down and he's kind of a lead man and is not going to let it get crazy like that. I believe the system, you know, they want to run the football and run play action. You know, if you think about where Aaron Rodgers was in Green Bay the last couple of years, that's kind of how they wanted to play as well. And Aaron is so good at protecting the football and making big plays when you can, you know, shrink things down and, and you know, and do those kinds of things where I agree.
13:34I think it's a good fit for him just in terms of big picture and how they can settle things down in Pittsburgh, but also the scheme with where he's at at this stage in his career. I think the scheme is set up really, really well for him to have success as well. So, so I'm excited. I think they're going to be competitive last year, you know, with two quarterbacks in there, they were competitive and you know, and made a bit of a run. And so I think Aaron is better than the guys that they had last year. And so I do. I believe they're going to, you know, I don't want to say surprise people. I think you always know Pittsburgh's going to be good.
14:09But I think they're going to be very competitive in the AFC, you know, to get that playoff spot. And then we'll see if they can make some noise from there.
14:16Rich Eisen:I kind of think now I'm going back to the emails that I've received over the last couple of days. Are you coming to L.A. to hang with me on the set? I am. Yeah, we're not doing our work in Canton. So yeah, I'm coming out to hang with you in LA. So are you going to wear the jacket on the set? Yeah, I'm going to bring the jacket. They have asked me to break it out of the plastic. Bring it or wear it. Are you going to wear it? Yeah, no, I'm going to wear it. I'm going to wear it. Yeah, I'm going to wear it on the set. Come on, that's one of those official times where you break it out, is if you're on the set in Canton or if you're showing up there, or obviously you're going to do our work.
14:52Rich Eisen:No, I know. But usually that's because you're amongst your other Hall of Famers and you're going on the stage. Now I can only view this as you trying to one up me. You know, I'm like, what am I supposed to wear? Well, I mean, I think I just I want to pretend like I'm official and I can speak about the Hall of Famers that are getting inducted. And so you put that gold jacket on and, you know, people see and go, oh, this guy has the authority to talk about these guys. So I think that's understood. That's more of the case. no i'm never trying to one-up you rich come on you know i i could never do that you know we're partners in this thing i know that it's not your brand normally but now i'll know like if you like during one of the speeches get up go to the cafeteria and you're wearing that you know through the cafeteria now i now you know now it's something but i've just been informed i know what i'm wearing for saturday especially because they keep the studio okay maybe okay you bring this I'll wear this.
15:50Rich Eisen:All right. You'll wear that. Yes. Okay. And at one point, you can wear your jacket. You think you can pull that off? You think you can pull that off, Rich? I mean, yes. I mean, that's tough to pull off, the puffy silver jacket. So, but I can throw it in the bag. I can throw it in the bag and see how you do. Bring it. Throw it in the bag. Okay. Okay. Everybody wants me to bring it. Let's go. Come on, Kurt. I can do that. Okay. All right. What's the number inside the jacket? What's the number? What's your number? 310. No. So there were 310. Is that what you said? Yeah. You don't mean the silver puppy jacket.
16:24Rich Eisen:I don't know what number's inside there. That's one of the one right there. No, no. Because, you know, they put the number that you are in the history of the Hall of Fame. He was the 310th individual to get into the pro football. I know. It's a very small number when you're talking about they've been doing this since 1960. You know what I mean? Like that is something else, Kurt, or since the early 60s. So, you know, congrats on all that, brother. Obviously, it's awesome. You know, it's a tremendous honor. And, you know, always tough because it's such a team sport. We know that. So many people helping me along the way.
16:58But obviously, a tremendous honor. You always want to play to be the best. And, you know, we recognize that way. And so honored every year when I get a chance to throw that on and go down to camp.
17:09Rich Eisen:Brother, it's great to chat with you. And, again, just to, you know, again, you're looking, you know, you're glowing. You got the summer tan or sunburn. You got it working here. But again, I'm just trying to get you ready that when you're asked a question, you got to give one answer. You can't bristle because it's too early in the season. I mean, you can bristle a little bit. I mean, there's lots of great storylines. You got to lay them all out, and then you pick the one. The heads up, you're five weeks away from having to choose your Super Bowl contenders and winners. Right. You're five weeks away.
17:43they even before they even play a game i am i'm so ready for that right before anybody's played
17:48Rich Eisen:right and you've gotta you've gotta kick someone out of the playoffs and put somebody in and by the way every year it's a race to get to luke lesord first our line producer because you know the obvious one you want to choose and then you if you're too late then like well kurt's already chosen that one and you're like oh okay right yeah i chose buffalo last year yeah I don't think I was the first one to lose. That didn't age very well, did it? No, not at all. How'd that work out? At least you didn't hear from Bill's Mafia for the next 22 weeks, Kurt. No, no. That didn't pop back up week 16 and 17 into the playoffs at all.
18:26But anyways, you mentioned that I was glowing. I'm not pregnant, but I did just have my third grandbaby. Granddaughter, Cade, and his wife, Abby, just had little Murphy Joe. And so I'm going a little bit because it's pretty cold.
18:41Rich Eisen:Grandpa Kurt, three times over. Yes, three times. Three times. Oh, my gosh. That is unbelievable. And, you know, I'm older than you, and I've got 17, 14, and 12 at home. What's happening? That's why I've got nothing up here. Kurt, best to Brenda. Thank you. And I look forward to you. Why don't you bring the other jacket? Bring two jackets. You know what I mean? I will. I'm going to bring a gold and a silver. Okay, very good. and then we'll throw him on the set. That's like, I get the pond, he gets the pool, right? Pool or pond. There you go. A pond would be good for you.
19:20Rich Eisen:See you soon, Kurt. See you soon, buddy. All right, buddy. That's Kurt Warner, everybody, right here on the Rich Eisen Show. Check us out noon Eastern time on NFL Network on Saturday for the Hall of Fame induction ceremonies. You've got to step your game up, your coat game up now, man. Like what we get you a signature colored jacket. Well, here's the deal is that, um, whenever I had been doing it in Canton forever in a day. Right. So when the guys come with their gold jackets, it makes sense that I'm not in one. Right. Okay. That they're going to the stage. They're here because they're a hall of famer.
19:55Rich Eisen:Now he's bringing his gold jacket to studio in Los Angeles. He's trying to stunt on you a little bit. He's stunting. Yeah. Like, like, like we're sitting on a jumbotron. Yeah. So we need you. Do you like that one, Jay? We need a custom colored rich Eisen jacket. Well, again, but now then, now it looks like I'm trying to consider myself special enough to have my own jacket. Well, why not? One year, I actually didn't think about it, swear to you. All I thought about is I saw it was going to be 100 degrees there in Ohio. And so I brought my like khaki tan suit, summer suit. good choice well except for the fact that folks thought i was trying to wear my own gold ish jacket and i heard about it interesting i heard about it well what was worse that choice or that pink polo that you wore that year that was too short well it wasn't pink number one was it mauve okay i don't have a picture of that somewhere so what tj's referring to
21:02Rich Eisen:everybody what is that like 2019 no what it was is we did our show our radio show from there and I packed a polo that I had not worn in a long time and it was washed too many times and it was now too short for me and the number of times that I would greet somebody and I would hug them and normally they're much bigger than me I'd have to get up to hug them suddenly you know i i look you know i was wearing something that zeke elliott would be wearing during on game day right that's what it looked like and i don't have the zeke uh pack and so every single time i did that you would take a photograph because you were the social media grand maester of taking a picture of me with these guys and i would come to you and say you gotta crop that please crop that sounded cropped already and the mere fact that i was And now in my own head, you found that particularly funny.
22:00Rich Eisen:So yes, that's worse than the tan suit, TJ. I just want to confirm. And I just want this all noted. Okay. I want this all noted. Which part? The next time TJ accuses me of trolling him when he never trolls me, I want this moment pinned to that homepage. Okay. It's fair. I'm just saying, like, sometimes you do, and then I'm just getting my get back. I'm guilty as charged, but you think you're just absolutely 100 % clean sheet over there. I don't think that I'm trolling. I was just bringing up a memory that I knew you enjoyed. Okay, enjoyed. All right. I offered to go get you a new shirt from the store.
22:45Rich Eisen:You did. You were very kind, but I didn't even think that was genuine either.
22:53Rich Eisen:At the time. 844-204-RICH number to dial. Trey Hendrickson speaking. We'll play that soundbite and take your phone calls. 844-204-RICH number to dial.
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24:22Rich Eisen:Mike Del Tufo over there, when Justin Hartley of This Is Us was here on Friday, he planks weights on his back. Okay, there he is, putting plank after plank. There's a 45-pound, he waves on more weight. See, come on, let's get some more. Right? Del Tufo sees this and he goes, I could do that, is what he said. He said he would do 145. Now, we took that, when you say one heel can do 145, how much weight do you think that means? Just on 145? Right. No. One plate that means 45 pounds. Come on, Mitch! Come on, Mitch! Get out of here! He's worth 45. 45! I'm not a fan of Mitch! How long do you say you can do that?
25:05Rich Eisen:A minute. Come on. All right, here we go. Get off your knees! 45 pounds. Go to the right spot in your mind, buddy. Come on. Look at him. All we see is the finish line, baby. Coach him up, Irv. That's all you see. Victory is simple, baby. Right now, don't worry about the body, baby. Our mind's controlling our body. Our mind's controlling our mind. We got this, baby. We got this. We're going to show the world. That's what you're about. What do we got? Show the world, baby. Don't worry about it. Just a 24 second. Don't worry about it. Don't worry about it. You got two blocks out. You got two blocks gone.
25:39Rich Eisen:Halfway home. You got two blocks gone. Halfway home. You got two more go. All see. Just see that finish line. Look at the glory. Look at the chest touching the tape. Get your chest on that day. Look at you, baby. 20 seconds to go. You're coming in. 20 seconds, baby. You'll finish this, man. We can do this. Go, go, go, go. Go, go, go. Go, go, go. Go, go, go. Go, go, go. Go, go, go. Go, go, go. Go, go, go. Be the man. Be the man. Get up there, buddy. Where you going, man? Where you going? Think about yourself, lady. Go, go. Go, go, go. I do that every day, people, to Jim. I can't tell. I do it. I do it.
26:19Rich Eisen:I can't tell from Steve Marriott. One of the funniest reply comebacks ever. Because it took us all two seconds. A second to be like, oh, that was funny. That was a way homer. That's what we call a way homer, right? I guess we stopped by in Cincinnati. Trey Hendrickson. Dinah Rossini joined us in hour number one, told us from her perspective, added a little bit more meat on the bones that I'd already heard out there that Hendrickson and the Bengals were on the verge of a deal before training camp and yada, yada, yada, Hendrickson posted a sunrise or a sunset from Florida the next day. She said that there was an expectation of second year guaranteed money from the conversations between the two sides.
27:12that's why an agent will always tell tell you um wait till we get the paperwork yeah they got the
27:20Rich Eisen:paperwork and lo and behold there was uh the second year uh guaranteed money uh wasn't there oh magic johnson so nice good one um so that's when the holdout began and in the same way that she also said just because somebody's holding in after holding out doesn't mean you're close it just means you didn't want to pay$50 ,000 a day fines as mandated by the collective bargain agreement if you're holding out a training camp when you're under contract, which Trey Hendrickson is. Again, I wrote this down a few weeks ago knowing that I would constantly refer to it. Here it is. $16 million in the last year of his deal, which is, again, less than half of what other Defensive Player of the Year candidates have just been signed to.
28:07Rich Eisen:And she's like, just because somebody's holding in doesn't mean somebody's closer. And Hendrickson kind of gave voice to that from his locker today. You know, things are exactly the same. What I'm not going to do is as best as I can, like, avoid being a distraction. You know, I want to help the guys, you know, the guys that have helped me along the way, Demario Davis, Cam Jordan, even Sam Hubbard helped me a lot when I was here. So to be that right now, I think is that's what's most important. And this narrative will kind of iron itself out as we continue to progress towards the season. There you go.
28:43Okay. Again, it's tough for these guys to not get echoed back from management.
28:51Rich Eisen:Their self-worth. It just sucks. Again, I've been in hard negotiations, and I've had some serious power plays pulled against me over the last 30 years. And you just go home, and you look at your, or in the case of ESPN Future Wife, or in the last several years, as you know, now my wife. And you just say, I don't know. And it sucks. Certainly if in the case of football players, that means changing towns, leaving homes, pulling kids out of school, or they stay in their home, they stay in their school, in that spot, and you now are basically for the next 30 weeks, on a road trip that sucks so again i understand we're talking about more money than most everyone's going to be making or dream of making but this is the case this is the business everyone chose and um it also sucks for them to see their teammates going through the hard work and no one like i'm trying to take care of my business and my family but what about my football family i'm kind of feel like i'm leaving them behind let me go in i'm gonna pay fifty thousand dollars a day anymore this thing's gonna get worked out and even hendrickson said there's an understanding at least between both sides that they know the current one year left on his deal is not something he's gonna play on i think not only i've mentioned it multiple times this off season but also i believe um ownership has as well that there there are plans on um not having to play under the current deal.
30:38So I think that's something we have a common goal to get to. I think that's the plan moving forward is like, you know, no distractions. I'm excited to be here. I think it's great seeing the brotherhood that's been created here, and it's special.
30:56Rich Eisen:Again, this is going to get worked out. It's got to. It's got to. And I understand we've had our fun, and Jay's got the drop, that we know when the Bengals finally sign him. This is the audio white smoke. The Velcro wallet will open. As it did for T. Higgins, as it did for Burrow before Chase got his, too. Landon in Williamsburg, Virginia, wants to play the win-loss game for the Cincinnati Bengals. I think that's what we call a perfect setup. Right, Landon? You there? Oh, yeah. I'm here. You live in Virginia, but you're from the Queen City? Or what's the Bengals connection? What is it? So, okay, funny story.
31:40My entire family was a Dallas Cowboys fan.
31:44Rich Eisen:That is a funny story. Okay, sorry. See? It's not fun, is it? Yeah, I know. Hilarious, right? Hey, TJ. Nice. But I actually, for some reason, I just got attached to the Bengals. I don't know what it was. I think it was just Chad Johnson at the time. I like it. That'll get you. That'll get you. That'll get you, certainly. If you're a kid, Chad is like a child, right? He plays with that enthusiasm. He just kind of encapsulated. Okay. Johnny in Cincinnati is the only guy to have played this win-loss game for the Bengals. Now it's you, Landon, in Williamsburg, Virginia. Give me the music. What happens when they open at the Browns?
32:24All right. The curse is over. Okay. We're winning that one.
32:28Rich Eisen:That's 1-0 home for the Jaguars. Win. Chris, look up the last time the Bengals started 2-0. At the Vikings. That one's going to be a loss. I'm afraid of that Brian Flores defense. Okay, at the Broncos on a Monday night. Win. That's 3-1, home for the Lions.
32:50That's going to be a loss.
32:51Rich Eisen:3-2 at the Packers. Win. 4-2. Welcome to the equation. Aaron Rodgers home for the Steelers Thursday night football Easy W Easy W I'm going to write down the word easy next to that It still only counts as one Five and two home for the Jets Win Six and two home for the Bears Win Seven and two into the bye Out of the bye Now they visit Aaron Rodgers and the Steelers Win Sweeping the Steelers Eight and two home for the Patriots Win 9-2 Thanksgiving night at Baltimore. Win. Ooh, that was an emphatic win. And now a seven-game win streak, 10-2 at the Bills. Win. We own Josh Allen. 11-2 off the ownership of Josh Allen.
33:50Rich Eisen:Home for the Ravens. They're going to get us in our place. Okay, 11-3 at the Dolphins. they always drop a game that they shouldn't. That's going to be a loss. 11-4, two losses in a row. Home for the Cardinals on a Saturday. Win. 12-4, home for the Browns. Win. 13-4, says Landon, in Virginia. Bengals haven't started 2-0 since 2018. I'm telling you. Started 4-1 that year before finishing 6-10. Dude. Just start fast. start fast. They haven't done that with Burrow. Even the year they made the Super Bowl in his first year, he blows his knee out, right? So, they haven't done it. They haven't started fast with Burrow.
34:39Rich Eisen:Let's see if they can do it, get Hendrickson signed, and let's go to work. 13-4 is a tall order, I must say. Yeah, agreed. That would be one seed worthy, right? Unless the Chiefs win 15 again. 13-4, somebody in the AFC could go 13-4, 14-3, maybe tiebreak situation. 13-4 will be top two seeds. I'll ask this if Mike Hoskins off the air. Would you agree that Joe Burrow owns the Bills, Mike Hoskins? No. It's an emphatic no from Bills Mafia in our control room right now. An emphatic no. Listen, things can be awkward with new teammates. Certainly when you've been caught on NFL Films camera cursing
35:29Rich Eisen:vehemently over the play of one person who was your teammate at the time and you are now teammates with again i'm talking about davante adams in regards to jimmy garoppolo was caught on the receiver uh netflix series receiver in 2024 nfl films microphone uh after he comes off the field frustrated with Jimmy G during the 2023 season. Let me get this right because I have this written down. I have this verbatim. One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight different uses of the F word. I believe, what's just the four-letter F word? Would you call that a noun? Funny, F has a lot of different, you know.
36:17The ED at the end, that's a verb.
36:19Rich Eisen:That's an active verb. Because he said he was getting F'd up. Every game I get F'd up. Yep. I ain't never been hit so many F 'ing times in my career. That's kind of an adjective, right? Yep, yep. He might have gone for the triple Lindy, the noun, active verb, and adjective version of the F word. There's a BS in there as well. Yep. Now we're throwing the ball in Rams training camp because Matthew Stafford's out for the time being. That'll be Jimmy Garoppolo. In our future home, ESPN 710 here in Los Angeles, California, I guess he was asked about this strange bedfellow moment. This is what Devontae had to say.
37:03I love Jimmy, and it was never a personal thing, and I was hoping we didn't have to have these kind of surprises. This is the first time it's been brought up, but it's been amazing. we got to catch up and get on the right page. Obviously, that was just a dark moment in all of our lives. I think all of us were pretty miserable over there, and we kind of caught up and laughed about it. We've been making plays since we've been out here, so it's been fun. Okay. Oops. Oh, man, you guys heard that? I mean, no, I love the guy. I was kidding. I thought he was going to say I was hoping I never had to go through that again.
37:34Rich Eisen:And yet here we are. I think the cameras were rolling. Again, I'm willing to just say he's not wrong. It was all dark, right? I mean, it was pretty horrible. It was horrible for everybody involved. Yeah, totally. Right? And this is, don't forget, Devontae went to go play with his former college teammate who gets sent home the day of Christmas weekend. I called Derek Carr's last game as a Raider on the Christmas Eve edition of Thursday night or whatever the Christmas special in Pittsburgh. I called that game. and, you know, it was bad. I mean, that was when Josh McDaniels put on his, you know, head warmer with the Raiders logo upside down.
38:23Rich Eisen:Warren Sapp was texting me during the game saying, what's he doing? That's the Raiders logo, man. Get your act together. Derek Carr gets sent home, and Devontae's like, I didn't sign up for this, and it will lead to somebody saying, this is effing pathetic, bro. just throw the effing ball, man. F. Tired of this effing BS. There's another F, effing, effing, and effed. You got me very nervous with a dump button. Don't worry about it, man. I'm a professional. But when, you know, that's when you go active verb, adjective, and noun. I mean, that's a heck of a schoolhouse rock right there. Sounding like Eddie Murphy in what's the lyrics.
39:10Rich Eisen:These guys can play together now, and they got McVay, and they got the system, and he's living in Los Angeles. He's in a better place. This is fine. What's not fine is if Stafford's not healthy. Now, that's what we call that. That'll get somebody cursing in three different ways, too. Yeah, there'll be an M in front of that app. That's right.
39:37Rich Eisen:I know I went too far. You'll be cursing out chiropractors. You're just meeting in the supermarket. Right? So... I'm not concerned about that either. I'm not concerned about that either. How about that? I'll take that at face value. What are we doing here? Take that for data. Dark place. I trust Devante when he's looking. Hey, dark place. We talked it out. No, I'm talking about Stafford. Oh. Well, I take Devontae at complete face value. Yeah, we saw the hard knocks. It was awful. And by the way, maybe Jimmy G's like, you're right. I was cursing me out too. Yeah, right, exactly. You're not worried about Stafford at all, huh?
40:16At what point do you start to become concerned that this might linger into September?
40:23Rich Eisen:Let's go August 20th. Okay. Does he, I mean, he's not going to play in the preseason, but would you like to see him out there? No. Why do I need to see him out there? He's Matthew Stafford. You can do this rolling out of bed, hopefully with his back not creaking. I understand. Backs are, you don't want to deal with that. I wish McVay played some of these guys in the preseason. It's kind of working out for them. They have started slow, though. The same way the Bengals have started slow. The Rams have always been like, what, 1-3, 1-4, 2-5. And they've got to climb out of this hole and go on a run to make the playoffs.
40:58And guess what they do?
40:59Rich Eisen:They do. But, you know, it'd be nice if they were 11-6, 12-5 instead of, you know, scratching. Del Tufo might hold on to more of his tickets. Maybe. Probably not. He's given them away already. He's already months in advance. That's what he says. To who? I don't know. I don't know who gets cost more by his work at Fox, us or the Rams. It's probably the Rams because when he's not here, I don't have somebody coming in here rooting against me. Right. when Del Tuford just showed the Rams he gives it I gave it to the Lions fan I gave it to this fan and he's the reason why the Rams are incessantly asking whose house it is because it's the Rams house 844-204-RICH
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43:22Rich Eisen:That's three months of free payroll at gusto.com slash rich. One more time, gusto.com slash rich. Back here on the Rich Eisen Show, look who's joining us here. Getting set to record the final episode of Season 1 of Women's Sports Now on Roku. Suzy Schuster, good to see you, Suze. Hey there. Hey, thank you for that applause. I'm so glad that we're bringing it. Let's talk about what we were just talking about. Welcome to my world. Welcome to my world. Go ahead, Suze. Look directly in the camera and ask America. I came out here. Ask America if they would notice it. Go ahead. I came out here to see the guys.
44:00Rich Eisen:Yep. I walked out here. Something's really different about me today. It's great radio. It's not radio yet. We're on TV. We're on the Roku only. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So Roku, guys, listen, listen. I said to the guys, did you notice anything? Something is drastically different. Yes. No. No? No. What is it? What is different? I cut three inches off my hair today. I have a major haircut. That's not a major haircut. It's a major haircut. Well, you have three feet of hair. Three inches is not major. Don't be jealous. Just because I have good hair. I wouldn't want three feet of hair. Just because I have great hair.
44:34Don't hold it against me that you don't have any. That's not true. I've been married to him for so long. How long?
44:41Rich Eisen:Just to think about it. 22 years. Thank you. And how long did you make him chase? Three. Three years. But you guys, don't you think for any of you watching, you're either like, oh, my wife is the exact same way or my husband's clueless and doesn't pay attention. But I got a lot of hair off today and nobody noticed. See, but you, I don't expect you to notice, Chris, or anybody else here in the studio. How much time left on the Roku? Why, you don't want to talk about it? Anybody see what happened at the Dream Game last night? Yeah, didn't want to ask you about that. Are you guys going to talk about that?
45:13They have to. It did land at the feet of a co-host. Yes, it did. And I texted her and I said, I texted her and I said, pick it up and bring it in. Just put on some gloves first.
45:26Rich Eisen:Does she have the object? No, no, she's flying right now. I mean, I don't know. Does TSA? You can fly with those, I'm sure. I think you can fly with them. Well, again, this was. You guys, it was so funny. It was so great. It was hilarious. And we have a monumental text chain from last minute. It was very funny. Well, again, for those who may be wondering, it's something in the family of what Bill's Mafia once upon a time threw on the field that landed at an end. Multiple times. That's right. At Tom Brady. Tom Brady, huh? Yeah, they were always during Pats games. Okay. Susie was showing me the video last night.
45:58Rich Eisen:She goes, watch, something's going to skid across the floor. I'm like, okay, I think I saw that. What is it? Well, it was a noticeable color. I know. Well, it was neon. Yeah. It was not meant to be subtle. No. And it landed at the feet of Renee Montgomery, one of the hosts of Women's Sports Now. cross the entire court. Well, it was right at the feet of one. The question is, what of women's sports? It's not the sports part. It kind of is the women's part. And maybe the, it depends. Is it the now part? I don't know. Which part? Oh, I think they were living in the moment. How far do we want to take this?
46:36Rich Eisen:I'm muting my mic because I was about to say. See what I'm saying? When you said, am I going to talk about it? I said, I would talk about it without really talking about it. You're the one who brought it up. So is this part of the rundown? But you always accuse me of going in through the front door. Yes, you will. Well, I mean. Probably. Feller, my dude. Me, please. Please. Turn my mic off.
47:01Whatever your personal preference is. By the way.
47:04Rich Eisen:By the way. I mean this genuinely now. Your hair looks great.
47:12Rich Eisen:Is it part of the rundown? I've been holding back so much. Gotta watch Women's Sports Now, everybody. Back on the Rich Eisen Show Radio Network. Boy, what you just missed. Susie Schuster is here, getting set to record the final episode of Season 1 of Women's Sports Now. Catch it on Roku. Colleen is out. Look at those cute girls. Come on. She's working for NFL Network right now, right? She's in Denver. She's in Denver. She did Nisco swing first. So is she zooming into the program at any point in time? We have a little something from Conley. We don't ever leave a member behind. Sarah Teana will be there, and no doubt she will make a mule out of what landed at the feet of Renee Montgomery at the Atlanta Dream Game.
47:54Rich Eisen:See? When that's on women's sports now. I mean, that's for sure. Make a mule out there. I'm talking, right? This thing is working. It's working. Yeah, the mic's working. And you've got a Hall of Famer coming in as well, correct? We do. We have Cheryl Miller in, which is so great. Is she coming in? She is. Coming in person. The perfect person to cap this first run with because she was, she could arguably be one of the greatest basketball players of all time. I think you can make that case. I think so. I don't think there's an argument today. I think it's great. And you know, I watched last night, I don't know if any of you have seen it, but there's a one-hour doc that HBO did.
48:34Looked at the end. Of course, Bill Simmons had his fingers on it. It was so well done about the women of Troy and about the team that she was on and where she came from. And I think so many people forget that Cheryl Miller's career was cut short by an ACL. By an ACL that five years later, you could have just repaired and gone on. And look at how many women in the WNBA and women's sports across have been tearing their ACLs. We've been doing a lot of talk about this.
49:02Rich Eisen:That's been an unfortunately recurring theme of women's sports now. Well, women's bodies do work differently. I know we had that conversation last night that you got a little squeamish about. But, I mean, women's bodies do work differently. Here's breaking news. No, we're not going to go in that direction. No, but what we're saying is that Cheryl Miller had won back-to-back championships with the women of Troy and an Olympic gold and then was just playing pickup with a bunch of guys, a bunch of football players. and a football, and she was done for the day. She said, I'm done. The guys were like, one more game, one more game.
49:33So she just, you know, crushed them all. And then one player tripped and landed and twisted her knee and she heard a pop.
49:39Rich Eisen:And that's the end of that. And that was it. Someone's prepped for the interview. I'm prepped. I'm very prepped. Obviously, you shoester, everybody. Okay, very good. I'll just go to haircut that you didn't. Did you notice, Feli? Oh, of course. Thank you, Feli. No, he didn't. He did. He did not. You look great no matter what. This is as shameless as it gets. Kurt Warner came on the show, had his gold jacket behind him. He's coming into Los Angeles to work with me on Saturday. He's going to wear the jacket. I'm like, what am I supposed to wear? I know that. But then I asked him, I said, how would it work if you wore that gold jacket out to dinner with Brenda?
50:18She's no chance.
50:19Rich Eisen:That's what he said. Similar to like, what if I wore a Rich Eisen Show zip up out to dinner with you? You know what I love about Brenda Warner more than anything? Yeah. Kurt Warner is not Hall of Famer. Kurt Warner, he's dad, husband. Yes. Help out. Don't wear up. And what am I? TV shows, Rich Eisen, everybody. Okay. Hour number three in the books. Women's Sports Now coming up.
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Pro Football Hall of Famer/NFL Network analyst Kurt Warner tells Rich what playing for the offensive-minded Ben Johnson will mean for Caleb Williams this season, how the addition of Aaron Rodgers will impact the Pittsburgh Steelers, and more.
Rich weighs in on Bengals DE Trey Hendrickson turning his holdout to a hold-in, and to Davante Adams and Jimmy Garoppolo’s reunion on the Rams after a shaky past as Raiders teammates.
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