In short
The Miz (guest host) discusses his own broken knee, joking about “faking” injuries like Seth Rollins, then pivots to NFL talk about Cleveland Browns rookie QB Shedeur Sanders injuring an oblique and what it means for upcoming reps and games. He also debates whether two-way stardom (Travis Hunter) can work, and covers James Cook’s new contract. Guest host also includes NBA talk with Larry Nance Jr.
Guest backgrounds
Larry Nance Jr. is a Cleveland Cavaliers forward and son of former NBA player Larry Nance Sr.; he played in the NBA for about a decade and has Crohn’s disease.
Key claims
Miz says he believed Seth Rollins’ injury was real until Rollins later returned and cashed in at SummerSlam; he argues greatness requires mindset and that Travis Hunter could succeed even if he plays both offense/defense.
Notable examples
Miz cites Rollins’ knee injury and SummerSlam Money in the Bank cash-in; mentions Browns’ Miles Garrett staying for championships; references Travis Hunter preseason snaps and Heisman/draft context; discusses Jalen Hurts helping Shedeur off the field with a cart; notes James Cook’s $48M/4-year extension and 16 TDs last season.
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOThe Miz's Injury Announcement
1:01 to 3:19
The Miz shares details about his knee injury and its impact.
“With guest host, WWE superstar, The Miz.”
Reflections on Injuries in WWE
3:19 to 7:05
The Miz discusses the mental toll of injuries on wrestlers.
“Why doesn't all the Cleveland Browns, you know what, Shadur, maybe Miles Garrett, come here, fake an injury, host the show, and in a month, a couple months, we'll be going to the Super Bowl.”
Travis Hunter's Dual Role Debate
7:05 to 11:21
Discussion on Travis Hunter's potential as both a cornerback and wide receiver.
“If this is the place where you fake an injury, and then all of a sudden a month later, magically poof, it happens.”
The Challenges of NFL Dual Athletes
11:21 to 14:00
Exploring the feasibility of being a star on both sides of the ball in the NFL.
“I know what it takes to be an elite athlete in a sport that has a lot of pressure.”
Exploring Dual Roles in Football
14:00 to 19:11
Discussion on the challenges and possibilities of playing multiple positions in football.
“And if I can't be a top other side, then I'm just going to devote my time to that.”
James Cook's Contract and Performance
19:11 to 19:51
Analysis of James Cook's new contract and his role as an impactful player.
“Up next, in the next segment, we got Larry Nance Jr.”
Humorous Celebrity Encounters
20:37 to 22:03
Light-hearted stories about encounters with celebrities at sporting events.
“We talk a lot about battles in sports, Teams battling through adversity.”
Larry Nance Jr.'s Journey in Basketball
23:36 to 28:00
Larry Nance Jr. shares his experiences growing up in Cleveland and the impact of his father.
“Ladies and gentlemen, hailing from Revere High School in Richfield Coliseum, which is the same city of former Richfield Coliseum.”
Cavs Playoff Strategy and Personal Journey
28:00 to 30:02
Learn about the Cavaliers' strategies for playoffs and the speaker's personal experience with training and injuries.
“Well, with the NBA, it's such a long season that that one of the biggest things when it comes to playoffs is who often the times whoever's healthiest wins.”
Diet and Training Regimens in the NBA
30:02 to 32:34
Discover how NBA players manage their diet and training during the season and off-season, including personal anecdotes.
“Do you have a different diet for off season to where you're in season and off season?”
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Cavs' Team Dynamics and Future Aspirations
32:34 to 34:39
Explore the dynamics of the Cavaliers team and the player's aspirations for the upcoming season amidst fan expectations.
“I watched the game because I was like, LeBron's leaving this year.”
Playing with LeBron James: Insights and Influence
34:39 to 37:19
Gain insights into the unique experience of playing alongside LeBron James and his influence on team culture.
“So no, I never saw any of that, but I think that's a little bit of what makes me a true Cavs fan is like, you know, I wasn't born into the good times.”
Legacy and Father-Son Dunk Contest Challenge
37:19 to 41:28
Reflect on the legacy of the player's father in the slam dunk contest and a light-hearted challenge about their dunking ability.
“Yeah, look, when you when you play with a guy like that, you get to see, you know, you get to see under the covers of their work ethic and then what drives them.”
Building a Championship Team
42:51 to 44:12
Hear about the challenges and triumphs of transforming a struggling team.
“All the time we got our butts kicked and we're going to do a players-only meeting and then just go get our butts kicked some more.”
Tough Lessons from Losses
44:15 to 46:35
The importance of resilience and learning from defeats in sports.
“So people look at us and they ask us, how about the Karen Cowboys?”
Injury Updates and Fan Reactions
46:36 to 48:04
Discussion about Shadur Sanders' injury and its impact on the team.
“Obliques are big deals, especially when it's your quarterback.”
Eagles' Super Bowl Journey
48:05 to 52:40
Analyzing the Eagles' past season and their potential for the upcoming year.
“And I'm happy that he showed and proved a little bit.”
Transcript
Automatic transcript. May contain errors.0:00This episode is brought to you by Facebook. So you were scrolling on Marketplace and there it was, the bike you'd been searching for. You sent a message and it turned out the seller was super chatty, kind of funny, and an avid cyclist. The next thing you know, you're in a cycling crew. Well, a community cycling group. The thing about Facebook, you might find more than what you're looking for. From a browse to a bike ride, this summer, find more on Facebook. Right now, get up to 15 % off select storage solutions. Put heavy-duty HDX totes to good use, protecting what's important to you. The solid, impact-resistant design prevents cracking, and the clear base and sides make items easy to find even when the totes are stacked.
0:46Find select shelving and tote storage up to 15 % off at the Home Depot to organize every room in your home, from your garage to your attic. Visit homedepot.com. How doers get more done. Pump up the volume. This is the Rich Eisen Show. With guest host, WWE superstar, The Miz. Kevin Sivanski is leading us to an undefeated season. Cleveland Browns are going all the way to the Super Bowl. You heard it here first, baby. Live from the Rich Eisen Show studio in Los Angeles. Today's guests. Cavaliers forward Larry Nance Jr. Pro Football Hall of Famer, Kurt Warner. Plus, your phone calls, latest news, and more.
1:34And now, sitting in for Rich, WWE superstar, The Miz. Yo. Here we go. Here you go. Whoa! Wow, what? What is happening right now? I mean, again? Hi. I know what you're thinking. that's not Rich Eisen and no it's not but this is the Rich Eisen show I am the most must-see WWE superstar of all time the first ever two-time Grand Slam champion in the history of WWE and you might think wait a second the first ever two-time Grand Slam champion in the history of WWE is not Hulk Hogan it's not Stone Cold Steve Austin it's not The Rock it's not John Cena who is on his farewell tour and we are not going to see him for a very like ever in the ring in like 10 more appearances nine more appearances something like that but no he is not the first ever two-time grand slam champion in the history of wwe i am i am the miz i am your host and let's get down to business you saw me hobble in here and i have some unfortunate news Oh, no, man.
2:49What happened? Last Friday on SmackDown, I was in a pre-tape. And for those that don't know what a pre-tape is, it's kind of a backstage segment. It's filmed. I heard a pop in my knee. Ugh. A pop? Seriously? And it ended up being broken. I went to Birmingham, and they said I have a broken knee. and so unfortunately i am going to be out of wwe for a significant amount of time oh man yeah how are you feeling though bro like how am i feeling i mean mentally it's got to be tough for you mentally thank you for asking about how that mentally affects a wwe superstar getting injured it's something that you have to deal with and you have to take it day by day uh i'm already trying to get myself better get myself ready and get myself hopefully in a position where um i can fake an injury and come on to the rich eisen show and make everyone feel heartfelt for me and then go on a month later to bamboozle everyone and become a world champion so maybe if I fake an injury coming in here hosting the Rich Eisen show, then maybe in a month, I will be world champion.
4:18And you know what? Why doesn't everybody do it? Why doesn't all the Cleveland Browns, you know what, Shadur, maybe Miles Garrett, come here, fake an injury, host the show, and in a month, a couple months, we'll be going to the Super Bowl. How about that? And by the way, when Seth Rollins did that, I texted him. Oh, no. What'd you say? I texted him. I said, hey, man. And by the way, I was filming American Gladiators, so I wasn't doing anything WWE related. I was away, so I haven't talked to anyone in a while. I was hosting American Gladiators, which, by the way, is going to be pretty amazing on Amazon Prime.
5:07Yeah, let's do it. In 2026, let's go. Amazing host right here. Might win an Emmy for it. Not going to say anything. But look, I texted Seth Rollins. I saw the injury. I saw the backflip. I was like, oh, that kind of happens. And it actually happened to him before where it kind of was a weird thing that he busted his knee. So it reminded me of when he was in the ring with Kane. He was trying to do a powerbomb. He busted his knee. He was out for, I think, like a year. Legit. I was like, oh my gosh, my buddy, my friend, he's out. One of the most talented superstars in a WWE ring is out for a significant amount of time.
5:43I saw him on here. I was almost in tears looking at him, talking about it. But obviously, he's a professional. He did his job. And I texted him. I said, hey, man, you're in my prayers, hoping for a speedy recovery. Send me a heart. Oh, that's so nice. I said to myself, I went, you know what? That's so nice. He doesn't want to talk about it. And to be honest, if I ever got injured, which I don't, I would be like, you know, I wouldn't want to talk about it either. So I believed everything that he was doing. I believed this man was injured. I believed everything he said when he came here and hosted and said he was injured.
6:22I believed when he came out at SummerSlam, it was just a fake. He hobbled out. But then all of a sudden, he throws the crutches. He turns around, takes off his jacket, and sprints down and cashes in the money in the bank on CM Punk at SummerSlam in front of a sold-out MetLife stadium, in front of millions watching on the Peacock app, and there he is with the World Heavyweight Championship. So I said, you know what? I'm hosting the Rich Eisen Show, and if I can put some juju into me winning a world championship, then I'm going to do it. If this is the place where you fake an injury, and then all of a sudden a month later, magically poof, it happens.
7:12I'm in. I'm in all day. So I am here for the next three hours. We have Larry Nance Jr. as a guest. We have Kurt Warner as a guest. We have Brock over there. Yo, yo. You feeling good? I'm feeling great. Both my needs work totally fine. And so, you know, if you need extra ligaments, I'm here for you. Thank you so much. I appreciate it. Jason, how you feeling? Doing good, man. I believed you. Thank you. I was feeling heartfelt for you. Did you believe, did you guys, when you guys, and TJ. Yes. And TJ's here as well. Did you guys believe everything Seth was saying? Yes, absolutely. A hundred percent.
7:47And TJ, you're kind of smart on all things WWE. you kind of know when things are a work or when things seem a little iffy were you a little iffy on it you know and these guys asked me that and i said i was 99 sure he was telling the truth because i'm going to take a man at his word obviously right but i'm like there's always that one percent that makes you go hmm i don't know man and so the one percent was it was there i don't believe anything anymore after watching unreal on netflix which by the way gives you an insight of everything that happens as wwe superstars man i'll tell you what after seeing that show and then also knowing what i know and then what happened with seth i don't believe anything anymore i don't even believe we superstar so i can only imagine what the fans are doing well i got started too for us at the super bowl when miles garrett one of your favorite players of all time on your cleveland browns came to our set first looked in our faces and said it's not about the money.
8:51It's about winning. I will never play for the Browns again. I want to be somewhere else. I care about Super Bowls and championships and legacy. And then a couple months later, he's the highest paid defensive player of all time, staying with Cleveland. Well, why would he stay with Cleveland? He wants to win Super Bowls. He wants to win championships. And so he wants to primed up and ready, my friend. That's what you guys just don't. You know what? Everyone makes fun of me. I see. Oh, by the way, don't think I didn't see your little power rankings of who's not going to be in the talks for the Super Bowl.
9:24And number three was the Cleveland Browns. And the Jaguars weren't anywhere to be found in that top five. They have actual good players. What do you mean? I am so excited that the fact, like, when I first heard that we were trading down from Travis Hunter, I was very, we've seen the photo. Shout out to Dawkins, who actually took the photo on a flight, who woke me up, by the way. I was sleeping on that flight. And he, we were talking about the draft before, but it was a long flight. I was sleeping. He woke me up and goes, Hey, did you see what happened? I go, no, we're on a flight. What would happen?
9:58He goes, they traded down. I go, no, they didn't. They got Travis Hunter. They got the generational player. We were going to, he goes, no, no, you didn't. You traded down. Now I was upset. You saw the picture. I was very upset. However, now seeing preseason and everyone's always like, you know, nobody wanted Shadur because of the circus. I feel like Travis Hunter is a bigger, bigger circus. a bigger circus than Shadur right now you don't think so is he going to play offense, is he going to play defense that's all anyone is talking about is these two players, Shadur and Travis Hunter it feels like as rookies am I wrong?
10:34I did say this week that I'm worried that he was going to not pan out but I think in all seriousness Travis Hunter is awesome he's one of the most exciting stories and possibilities that we've seen in the league in quite some time and you were like, no, we don't want him yeah but he really didn't do anything in the preseason though and there was a lot of good players still available at that time and we got a king's ransom we have a first round draft pick from the jaguars next year which is probably gonna be a top 10 oh top 10 yeah you don't think you think the jaguars are a threat yeah i think they could win that division come on really come on i mean they're gonna have a better record than the browns absolutely not but you can't say you think Travis Hunter is going to be a not going to pan out and then think the team is going to have I didn't say that he wasn't going to I'm I was a little worried based on we were overreacting to one preseason game offense or defense or both I think he probably plays a little bit of both he kind of plays more more on defense more on defense yeah I don't know man I look at it and I go now hearing everything like I don't know what it takes to be an NFL football player I've never done it before.
11:44I know what it takes to be an elite athlete in a sport that has a lot of pressure. And I know all the insights of what it takes to do these type of things. And it seems to me what everyone is saying is this cannot be done. But also I feel like things that people say can't be done sometimes can be done. People said I would never be a WWE superstar. I was six foot nothing. I was off of a reality show called The Real World, which was very popular at the time. And I became the first ever two-time grandson champion in the history of WWE. That is something that everyone said would not happen. People said I would be fired within three months.
12:24So when people tell me, hey, this can't be done, I think there's exceptional circumstances. Is Travis Hunter that guy? And why hasn't anyone else been able to do this is my question. Anyone? Anyone have an answer? They haven't been able to do it in a full time. I mean, like Charles Woodson and Deion have been able to do it. Why not, though? Why not Deion Sanders? It takes a lot. You have to really devote, I think, a significant amount of time on one side of the football to really become a superstar, right? And Deion, obviously, he was the greatest cornerback of all time. That's where most of his practice time was placed.
13:07Yeah, he got some reps with the Cowboys at wide receiver. He did fairly decent, but obviously he was the third, fourth wide receiver for the Cowboys back in those days. And I just think it takes so much effort to be a star on one side of the ball, to do it on both. It just seems to most people like it can't be done, like you said. But there is, there's always that anomaly, right? Do you think Deion didn't want to do the wide receiver as much? is because he's the third or fourth wide receiver, and I'd rather be great at one thing. It's kind of like Shohei, right? Shohei's the amazing hitter, incredible hitter.
13:44Pitcher, he's good. Like, top 20, but he's not number one. He's not number two. He's not number three. You know, so is that something that you think a Travis Hunter would look at? Would he look at and say, you know what? I'm going to be a top cornerback. I'm going to be a top wide receiver. And if I can't be a top other side, then I'm just going to devote my time to that. But what would the coaches want? I'm sure they both. All they care about is winning. Yeah, you think? In the NFL, it's all about winning. So was it Deion who brought it up? It's like, how are you going to be late in a game and you're trying to stop a team from scoring and you're not going to have your best defensive player on the field, right?
14:28And then flip it the other way. Now you're trying to come back. you're down five there's two minute drill how are you going to have one of your best offensive players not on the field you got to have them out there the thing is the why why hasn't anyone done it why didn't deon do it full-time why didn't charles jack or any of these other players because no one ever thought they could travis hunter you don't wait a second now thinks that he can i'm i'm in a big disagreement on that because in the nfl no i can't play some receiver but am i going to be a full-time wide receiver no i'm a i'm a full-time defensive back If you're talking to a 20-year-old Miz and you tell me I can't do something, I will literally try to prove you wrong.
15:11And I imagine there's a lot of kids out there and a lot of college kids that are like, and even Travis Hunter would be like, I can do this. Deion Sanders literally didn't take meetings in the draft because he was like, you're not even going to be where I'm going to be drafted. So, and you're telling me that guy's going to be like, I don't know if I can play wide receiver and quarterback. That guy, his mindset is I'm greatness. I'm greatness that no matter what I do, if I set my mind to a wide receiver and quarterback, I can do that. But then you have all these outside negative people. That's what it is.
15:47Hey, it's never been done before. You can't do it. It also took Deion Sanders, literally the guy, to allow someone to do it. and look what happened on the Heisman Trophy, second pick in the draft, and now he's in a situation where Liam Cohen says, yeah, we're going to do it. We're going to try. We're going to give him the best shot to succeed at both positions. And look, was it spectacular in his first preseason game? No, but he played a handful of snaps. He had two catches. He did miss a tackle, looked kind of bad on that when he was out there on defense. First time out there, not a big deal.
16:21Let's see how it looks moving forward rest of the preseason, week one. We're going to see him out there. And he's going to play, I don't know, 50, 60%, 75 % on both sides. And then we'll see how he recovers, reacts. We'll see how the practice situation goes. I mean, look, he's in a situation. Was it Josh Hines Allen who was here? It was like, look, he is in the wide receiver room talking smack to the defensive backs, how he's going to beat them on defense. Then he goes, flips on the other side, puts on the other jersey and is like, oh yeah, now I'm going to shut you down, Brian Thomas. Wait, aren't we teammates?
16:55Aren't we on the same side? It's never been done before, but I'm curious to see if it works out. And I would imagine that it probably might. God, I love preseason. Right. There's nothing like preseason because we're just talking hypotheticals here. But one thing is certain. Big news has happened this morning. And if you watched Hard Knocks last night, you saw, man, James Cook. He's holding in. Not holding out because they don't hold out anymore. They hold in. They go to all the meetings, but they just don't practice. And James Cook wants a new contract. Guess what, ladies and gentlemen? James Cook got a bag, baby.
17:34Four years. $48 million. 30 guaranteed. 12 million a year. Does he deserve it? Yes. Yeah. 16 touchdowns last year. Yes, absolutely. He was a dog last year. He's a three down back. Three down back. And even so, Chris, don't they really – they give Josh Allen a lot of goal line work too, which is kind of surprising it seems because you do have that back in Cook who, like I said, he finds the end zone quite easily. Yeah, led the league in touchdowns last year. He was awesome. Main reason why the Bills get as far as they have the last couple of seasons. Now, look, he does – I mean, Rich complains about it because he had James Cook in fantasy.
18:13Comes off the field in the second half, kind of weird. Like, why was he on that drive? Where was James Cook on that one? That's it. So, yeah, he demanded he wanted$15 million. Look, you've got to prove to us you're an every down back, and you've got to play the whole game. You've got to be out there in the closing minutes when we need you. And I imagine, look, he gets$12 million a year,$30 million guaranteed. That's a nice payday for him. Got more than Kyron Williams got, and we've seen what kind of dog running back Kyron Williams is. We need James Cook to kind of do it for 60 minutes, and I think Buffalo's going to ask him of that, and I imagine he'll deliver.
18:44He's a good player. He didn't take him to the cleaners either. Yeah. Like, he got a good bag. But he's like, hey, guys, I feel like this is a super caliber winning type of team. You got Josh Allen, who is arguably the best quarterback out there. And you have a bunch of weapons on the offensive side. You got a good offensive line. I mean, you're feeling pretty good going into this season, especially if you're James Cook. We're going to take a break. Up next, in the next segment, we got Larry Nance Jr. Let's go Cleveland Cavaliers!
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21:25I cannot believe you watched Charles Oakley get dragged out of Madison Square Garden with your own two-armed club. I mean, I could not. Spike Lee was there. You couldn't believe it either. Did everyone just like a... Wait a minute. Spike Lee was there? Boo, boo, boo. It's too nice. Next thing you're going to tell me, Jack Nicholson was at the Lakers game. Boo. McEnroe was there. I know he was right there. He was like practically in Oakley's lap. Was Woody Allen there? He was not. I don't know why that's funny. John Lithgow? Was John there? Steve Earle was there. I saw Steve Earle. Oh, really? This is the new Madison Square Garden.
21:58Leon was there, the actor. Oh, sure. He was there. What about? Costas, I told you. Costas. Oh, yeah. Can you tell this story? Not stealing me. You've got to tell the Costas story. Tell the story. When I was like 21 years old, I went to the, what was it? The Heisman Trophy. At the downtown athletic club? Yeah, I managed to get invited. Like I had an extra ticket or somebody gave me a ticket and I went through the thing. And I went to the bathroom and Bob Costas was in the next urinal. And I was like 21. So this was 1990, 91. And I said, and I was peeing and I went, I'm just trying to say, I'm a big fan of yours.
22:36And he told him, and he went, don't you know the rule? You're not supposed to talk when you're in a urinal. And I was like, oh, God, I didn't. That's how I learned the rule. Anyway, so I'm at the Knicks game. I learned about the Knicks game, and I never met him before since then. And I said to him, hey, Costas, this is Bobby Cannavale. I just wanted to introduce myself and say, when I was 21, I told him the story. And he went, it doesn't sound like something I'd say. Shut me down. Just complete sheet down. Twice. Well, he was also sitting on the toilet when you told him the second time. He was...
23:06He was the next one. He was... He was... He was... Yeah. He was like, hey, Emily. So what... And shut the door, dude. I don't care that you have two Emmys. Chip. Chip. Shut the door, Chip.
23:31Welcome back. We've got a guest, ladies and gentlemen. Let's do it. Ladies and gentlemen, hailing from Revere High School in Richfield Coliseum, which is the same city of former Richfield Coliseum. If anyone remembers the Richfield Coliseum, I remember it as a young Miz watching his pops, Larry Nance Sr., play with Mark Price. I mean, it was amazing. It was phenomenal. He is the newest member of the 2526 Cleveland Cavaliers. Ladies and gentlemen, please give it up for Larry Nance Jr. Wow. We've given you an entrance. What an intro. I just, I just really appreciate that. How does it feel being back in Cleveland?
24:25It just feels right. You know, born and raised here. You know, you get it. There's just something special about being back in Northeastern Ohio. Tell me about growing up in Cleveland and what the values and mindset that it brings to you. Oh, man, one of the biggest things that I've that I've missed over my travels across the country these past few years has been just the good hearted nature of the people. And I'm not saying anything about anybody that I came across, but it's more so about the people from here is that it's just so friendly. And everybody's just genuinely ever since I signed back, everybody's just has nothing but positive words to say about the team and the and, you know, the vision going forward.
25:07And even myself joining, it's been it's been really, really fun to get back around just this Midwestern type of folk. Good, good people, man. I tell everyone this. I would not be where I am today if it wasn't for growing up in the city of Cleveland, Ohio. It brought me my work ethic, and it taught me so many valuable lessons. And I look at some of the successes from people that have grew up in Cleveland. I mean, you look at Travis Kelsey, Jason Kelsey. MGK just had MGK Day, August 10th. I was supposed to be there, but I was like, hey, man, my kid's first day of school is a Monday, and I got to see my kids go to kindergarten and second grade.
25:52I got to be there. I got to be a good old dad, you know? And speaking of dads, your pops is Larry Nance Sr., and I hear that you are now number 22, which is a retired number, your dad's retired number. How does it feel un-retiring your dad's number of 22, Larry Nance Sr., and coming into the Cleveland Cavaliers and being able to wear his number, your pops' number? You know, it's something that I got to do early in my career. You know, when we went on that 2018 run and the years after that, I wore 22 as well. And being able to see it in my locker for the first time was just like hard to put into words.
26:35You know, hopefully I've done some really cool things. I've gotten to hopefully I'll get to do some more really cool things but you know being able to wear the number that my dad got retired for the team that I grew up cheering for um it's it's hard to put into words and it's really hard to describe how it feels wearing it it's it's uh you know something that you even when I left I knew for a fact I'd have to do it again it's just such a special special thing how much of an impact has your dad been with you growing up and playing basketball um did he did you get like lessons teaching was it was it hard um and how is it coming into the nba knowing that your dad is larry nance senior is there a lot of pressure to that right so growing up there was pressure um pressure not but that i put on myself really you know growing up as larry nance junior in in cleveland ohio where you know seniors jersey is hanging in in the Cavs arenas, uh, it's daunting.
27:32And what has, has always been daunting for me, but, um, over the past few years and as I got older, it's, it's, um, I've been able to kind of look at it more and been like, man, like we're very two different people. That man was incredible. Three-time all-star first ever contest winner. Um, no, I appreciate that, but no, like he was incredible and I, you know, I I'm, I'm biased, but you know, I think I'm doing all right for myself as well you know this is going into my 11th year and um for me it's always been about separating that like he is one of the all-time greats and I'm just I'm incredibly happy to be able to um you know honor the legacy that he left for us and and continue you know continue with the Cavs but even continue with the NBA as a whole let's talk about the Cavaliers they're number one in in the division last year went to the playoffs got taken out by the Indiana Pacers what do you think they're missing in the playoffs that can set them apart this season?
28:31Well, with the NBA, it's such a long season that that one of the biggest things when it comes to playoffs is who often the times whoever's healthiest wins. And I think we saw that a lot when it came to Oklahoma City and and Indiana a little bit is like obviously two very good teams and to take nothing away from them. But like, you know, some of the teams, you know, Tatum went down, you know, obviously Darius and Hunt were dealing with the various things they had. Then you have Dame in Milwaukee and just several injuries here or there that, you know, that, that, you know, left the healthiest teams available.
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29:04And so I would say that's, that's one of the biggest things. And that's, that's one of the biggest things for me as a whole with the Cavs is just, look, I, we gotta, we gotta get more games out of us. We gotta play, you know, we gotta be hitting our peak in April and June, as opposed to earlier in the season. And that's something that, you know, that's something that we'll work towards. What's your off season training? Like, how's your knee? Great. Great. I actually just came from the gym a little bit ago. Um, you drove right back down 77. Yeah. Yeah. Are you still in your parents' class? Like, are you in your old bedroom, like from high school?
29:36No. So when I played here, we bought a house that we, every single summer, whether I was in Portland, New Orleans or Atlanta, I spend my summers here. This is where I'll retire. This is, um, uh, I'm just right, actually right in Richfield, you know, still. So, you know, workouts been great. I feel fantastic. My knee is, you know, with the Hawks, had we made the playoffs, I would have played in it. So I'm ready to go. And I'm just really, really anxious to, you know, see what kind of role this team needs me to play. Do you have a different diet for off season to where you're in season and off season?
30:09Like for me, I'm like 26, 45 in calories. Like I count macros. Like I've got 200 grams of protein, 85 fats and like 220 carbs. Like this is how strategic I am if I want to lose weight and lean out. But if I want to gain weight and sometimes I'm like, I'm getting a little too lean, I'll go to 3000. Do you have that kind of strategic way of looking at diet? And how does that work? So for me, not necessarily. Um, there's a lot of guys that do have their own personal chefs that, that do count every calorie and make sure they get their daily percentage of whatnot. Um, you know, for me, I, I, at a young age, I was diagnosed with a, with Crohn's disease that made me start watching my diet, um, at 16.
30:55And so for me, it's just kind of pretty passive at this point. Now it's very, very easy to exclude certain things that, that we don't need. Um, at the moment I'm doing kind of a gluten-free thing. So, um, it's, uh, just try to mix it up. We do so much exercise and so much running that like, unless you're, um, obviously genetics plays a part and I have my dad to thank for that, but unless you're like gorging yourself, it's kind of hard to, it's kind of hard to, you know, it's kind of hard to get out of line with how much we work out. Now, have you guys worked out a lot together? Have you worked out with the team?
31:28Have you been in contact with the team? Have you talked with them? Do you have a vibe and what the culture is and where you're, where you sit in this, on this team? Yeah, look, I mean, these are all guys that I've either been teammates with or been in the league with for, again, a decade now. I was teammates with Darius and Jarrett and Dean and, and, you know, I'm close with Max and I know Sam real well, been playing against Don for, you know, all these guys. It's, it's relationships that I've had throughout the course of my career. And, you know, it's a close knit bunch. But for me, the biggest thing that I'm, look, they won 64 games last year.
32:06That's awesome. Awesome. I think that's fantastic. And if they need me to, you know, if they need me to play 10, 15 minutes, if they need to play 30 minutes, whatever, whatever they call on me that night is what I'm there to do. But I hope, I hope, you know, my biggest impact is going to be felt come later in the season in the playoffs. I love it, man, because I remember in 2018, when you guys were in the finals, basically what I thought was going to be the last time. I flew with my wife to Cleveland. I watched the game because I was like, LeBron's leaving this year. And if LeBron's leaving, no one's going to come to Cleveland.
32:41I love Cleveland. I love it. But I just can't see superstars going, man, I got to get myself to Cleveland, Ohio. No, they're going, I want New York. I want LA. I want Miami. So I was like, this is it. This is the last time I will see the Cleveland Cavaliers in the NBA Finals, probably in my lifetime. So I want to watch it. I want to witness it. You were there. And then all of a sudden, we started just drafting these superstars that nobody knew would become superstars. But someone did, and they made the right moves. And then all of a sudden, Spida comes in, and you're like, oh, my God. And then last season, we had this.
33:22And then this season, if I'm looking forward, I'm licking my chops because Indiana Tyrese Halliburton got injured. I love Tyrese. I've met him. He's come to WWE events. He's been inside the ring when he got injured. That was heart wrenching. But man, when he took out when that team took out the Cavs, I was like, my gosh, this is I thought it was going to be the Boston Celtics. And if you look at the Boston Celtics this year, Tatum's gone. on Brzingis holiday. See you. Bye. Okay. So I think they're not really a threat anymore. In my mind, I'm looking at threats like Orlando because they seem like they're new young Atlanta, maybe even a little bit.
34:07But I mean, the biggest threat I think is the New York Knicks. What is your mindset with the teams in the landscape? Do you look at this sort of thing or am I just being a fan here and fan bowing out and being like look the Cavs are going to the NBA finals and we're winning this year no look dude I again you got to keep in mind I'm a Cavs fan so I'm sitting here going like the Cavs are going to the NBA finals and that's just matter of fact um and that's just how I feel though you didn't get to witness like your dad and and Mark Price Craig Elo I mean did you get to witness hot rod at all like you got to you didn't get to see them like you're a Sean Kemp era, right?
34:44I was born 93. My dad retired 95. So no, I never saw any of that, but I think that's a little bit of what makes me a true Cavs fan is like, you know, I wasn't born into the good times. You know, I was, um, you know, some of my favorite years were, were early Zedrunas and Lamon Murray, you know, I mean, just really like, uh, you know, bimbo Coles. I just really, you know, some of the, some of those days, like really, you know, build your character as a sports fan and, and all that. So it's all right to think like a fan. And I think, um, to a certain extent, that's, I mean, you know, that's the reality of it, but as a player, you got to look at it as like, no, every single team is a threat.
35:20You gotta, you know, you gotta do your job night in and night out. Can't take, um, you know, on any off night, these, these guys are so good, man. On any off night, you know, anybody can beat anybody. They're all good, but they're not LeBron James and I might be speaking out of turn here but like is there a when you're playing with like a LeBron James is there a different aura is there just a difference that because everyone's good in the NBA right but then there's the exceptional there's the elite there's the greatest of all time in my opinion in a LeBron James when you're in that locker room and and you witness him building a culture is there a difference to playing with him than any other team that you have played with?
36:04Uh, very much so. Yeah. And I think, um, what is that? I think it's, it's, uh, obviously the physical aspect of his game is undeniable. You know, he's, he's one of the best athletes we've ever seen, um, in any sport, but it's, it's the mind that really separates him. Um, and there, there's a few guys in the league like that, like Chris Paul, Jokic, Bron obviously comes to mind. Draymond is on that level to a certain extent where they are just controlling every aspect of the game and you don't even realize it until you're on a team with them that they're directing and they're barking orders and even when they're on the bench, they're telling guys where to be and what to do.
36:49It's a whole different level of genius that I would hope that every player gets to play with somebody like that because it is eye-opening to like hey man like you know I've been one of the top 450 for decade now but there's another level that um there's another level that exists and and he's he's uh I happen to agree with you he's you know being from Akron I couldn't deny that he's he's he's my goat so when I agree with you on that when he left Cleveland the first time were you upset yeah absolutely oh my god I was I was throwing things I was so angry but then hearing his reasoning of I didn't know what it was like to be a champion and I needed to go somewhere to be a champion and then when he came back to Cleveland he was like I had to learn how to be a champion to make Cleveland a championship type of environment and do you see that it like do you see like why he did it and what he was doing like as a NBA basketball player when you go into these other teams uh you know you've played for the Lakers you played for Atlanta like how like how different is it and with playing with him than it is going to these other cultures and is there something that you learned from him about culture and about that mindset that you can bring to the new Cleveland Cavaliers that could maybe take us over the hump of the playoffs and into the finals and win?
38:23Yeah, look, when you when you play with a guy like that, you get to see, you know, you get to see under the covers of their work ethic and then what drives them. And so, you know, for him, one of the biggest things that that, you know, I took from it is like, look, this guy is, you know, scored, you know, he's the leading scorer in NBA history. He's done all these things or I guess he wasn't that at that point but he was in my opinion the greatest of all time at that point the ring in cleveland did that for me but um you know for me it was it was he's the best on the team he's the best in the league but he's still the first one in the gym and the last one to leave and it's i think it just speaks to like hey you know if you if you how good do you want to be you know if you if you want to be what everybody else is if you want to do whatever every other team does then you know great do do the median but if you want to do if you want to be great if you have if you want to excel if you want to you know reach the heights the highest heights that you can it's got to be consistent you know your best players are supposed to set the culture um and that's something that i've tried to you know you know teach some of the younger guys that i've worked with in a you know in uh in new orleans with with zion and trey murphy and some of the guys are like hey you know we want if you're going to set a culture anywhere it's got to start from the top down.
39:39And that's one thing that he certainly did. And, um, you know, these, these four guys, you know, the core four, they call them is, is they're as good of a group as you could imagine, you could hope to be with. And so, um, again, like I said, I I'm hoping my, my, where, where we start to feel my impact is later in the season in the playoffs. But, um, you know, I, I do think there'll be some lessons that I, that I can impart on these guys. I can't wait, man. I am super, super excited for the NBA season to start and to watch you as a Cleveland Cavalier. I have one last question and this is a fun one.
40:14So your dad was in the slam dunk competition. The first ever, he won the first ever slam dunk competition. You and your dad are the first ever father son duo to take part in the NBA slam dunk contest. Who would have won in their prime? would you have beaten your dad in a slam dunk contest the first ever would you have beaten your dad blindfolded with one hand let's go easy that's what I'm talking about come on we got all that now I hope he's watching because you know he's probably going I hope he is I'll challenge him to a dunk contest today of course you would Of course you would. All right, Larry Nance Jr., thank you so much for coming onto the show, talking with us, enlightening us, and good luck with this 25-26 Cleveland Cavaliers season.
41:13I am a huge fan, and I look forward to watching you guys go all the way to the NBA Finals. I'm calling it. You don't have to because you're not going to jinx yourself, but it's going to happen. I feel it. I feel the momentum. I see the cards laying our way. Thank you so much. We appreciate you. I love it. Thanks so much for having me on. And that, that Kaz logo next to my name looks pretty darn good. Yes, it does. Yes, it does. Thanks guys. Take care. Double deuce, baby. Double deuce. Taking it on. Ah, that was amazing, huh?
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42:51It was a journey. All the time we got our butts kicked and we're going to do a players-only meeting and then just go get our butts kicked some more. You know, going through all of that. I'll tell people this. Troy, Emmitt, me, we never, never had a falling out. Never had an argument. Never had a fight. Because we knew what it was like building it from the bottom. And that's the thing that made us as good as we were. We all knew what the mission was. And we all bought into the game plan of transforming an organization from 1 in 15 to a championship organization. And Jimmy was at the helm of it.
43:34I knew once I got there what the expectation was going to be. I just did not know how difficult it was going to be to get all of that together. but through that whole entire process we grew together we matured together we played at a high level together and we lost together we went through a lot together and so that team itself was built inside out and it was built to go out and destroy whatever it was in front of now we competed at the highest level amongst ourselves which made us was made us ready for anybody and anything that was out there. That's why we were different. So people look at us and they ask us, how about the Karen Cowboys?
44:18They ain't going through this. They haven't had to deal with the 115. They don't even know what it's like. I don't mind some of Jimmy's old tricks. You know, when we lost in Washington, we should have won the game. We lost in Washington. That poor lady was trying to feed us on the airplane. Jimmy said, you take that damn fool and put it away. If they were hungry, they should have ate on the football field. And every away game, every away game, we get laid in the game. I used to come to the line and say, are we going to eat tonight? We going to eat tonight? Because y 'all know y 'all lose this game.
44:56Ain't no food gets served on that thing. You know. So, play for your supper? You eat five hours before the game. You eat five hours before the game, everything. So now you play the game, you exhaust, everything's gone. You want some food. You want some food. And if you didn't win that game, ain't no food. Won no party either. Nothing. You got a rotten plane like this. The plane was quiet the whole time. Nobody said it worked. I'll never forget the one time. We did lose to Washington. But we was coming back. We may have been coming back from D.C. And there was a little noise on the plane. But Jimmy went off.
45:34He came back there. Went off. I feel bad. He had just got done watching the live feed. He came back there, man, and Rob. I mean, everybody. Everybody heads on the block. Yeah, yeah. I'm not going to call out no names. But everybody. Everybody heads on the block. Shut up and shut up. But you say another word, I'm going to cut you before the plane lands. He said that? We said that. We said that like this. Damn. Damn. Damn. So you get to 4-4, you're like, Joker, what y 'all going to do now? You can either whoop these jokers or we're going to deal with that joker. Let's go. And it was always easy to whoop their ass.
46:18Get on that plate and get us something to eat. It's one of those things where you better go outside and whoop somebody behind and they come back to the house and say, Mama, we did what we needed to do. Can we get something to eat now? Can we get something to eat now?
46:36Ladies and gentlemen, we've got news. Got news. About my Cleveland Browns. We've got an oblique problem. Obliques are big deals, especially when it's your quarterback. Now, he might be fourth on the depth chart, but he was number one in the preseason game last week, and he did a great job. 138 yards, two touchdowns. Shadur Sanders has an oblique injury. That is not good. I do not like this. I hate this because I want to see more reps for Shadur Sanders. I really do. Do you guys? Yes. I mean, yeah, I'm a fan. I'm not even going to try to hide it. Rich gets a lot of fans. You guys are fans. Like, you guys talk about Cleveland Browns quite a bit.
47:21It's almost annoying to me. It aggravates people. Like, people don't like the fact that Rich talks a lot about Shadur. They must love I'm here. But it's like, you know, you have a friend, and that friend's child is following in the family's footsteps. you want them to do well. I don't know why people have such an issue. I know Rich is supposed to be impartial, but it's kind of hard when you have that type of tie to it. But, yeah, I'm rooting for Shador, man. And I was watching that game, and I can't say I don't watch Cleveland Browns because I listen to Andrew Siciliano and Nathan Zagura. So I do.
47:53That's right. But, yeah, I'm all in. Nathan Zagura, one of my best friends. Yes, and I hope this dude. I was in his wedding. He was in mine. He didn't invite me, but you were in it. I was in it. I was in the wedding. Why? Cleveland Browns daily. Listen to it all the time. But yeah, man, I hope the best for this kid, man, because it feels like he got such a rotten deal on draft weekend. And I'm happy that he showed and proved a little bit. I know it's preseason. I know it's week one. But he belongs. And I think that's evident. Let me ask you a question. Sure. Is Kenny Pickett and Dylan Gabriel back to healthy?
48:26Nah. So who's starting? Flacco's not. Is it Snoop? Kenny Pickett, no. He is not. out there yet. He's still dealing with the hamstring. Dylan Gabriel did take some reps today, so he is kind of trending in the right direction. But if this could keep Shador out on, I believe they play what Friday, they play Saturday. What, what, what, what do they play the Eagles? It could keep them out this weekend against Philly. And that would be a bummer for just his development and kind of the momentum building off of last week. Not going to see Flacco, right? You got to keep that guy in bubble wrap for week one of the NFL season.
48:59So we could be looking at, you know, three quarters of Snoop and maybe one quarter of, of Dylan Gabriel, not really exciting for the fans. Of course, it would be nice to see what Dylan looks like. Did spend third round capital on him. Gabriel and you're a rookie. You want to get healed. You want the reps. You want to take these reps. So what do you do to prepare yourself and get ready? Because man, when rookies get injured, it's like these reps are so valuable. That's him back a lot. We do have some video here. Mike Garofalo had some video of Jalen hurts kind of helping Shador used his cart to get off the field here, which is pretty cool.
49:33And then Mike Garfield did have a picture. Why does Jalen Hurts have a cart? Well, he's not, you know, I don't know. He's getting his reps. He's probably done for the day. He sees Chador's out there. Hey, man, let me give you a ride to the sideline. Wait, you're telling me you're the starting quarterback. You're a franchise guy. And, well. You're helping out the young kids. Yeah, but you get a cart? Yeah, of course. You get your own golf cart on there? Look, I've been watching Hard Knocks. I don't see Josh Allen have his own golf cart. Well, maybe if Josh Allen got a golf cart, he'd win a Super Bowl.
50:03Wow. Wow. We're going there with that? Man. He's got a Patrick Mahomes problem. I think we all do. Well, Joe Burrow doesn't really have a Patrick Mahomes problem. Joe Burrow has a Cleveland Browns problem because he can never beat us. That is a fact, too. Not in the playoffs because you're not there. Oh, wow. We were there two years ago. Why are you trying to, like, get a guest host, man? We live in a society now that hate facts. and I'm just like spitting some facts and I'm just hoping you take them in and absorb them. You know what I mean? I don't like you anymore. You might get your ass kicked today.
50:33I mean, I'm saying. Probably. I'm not a nice person. Let's go to break. There was another picture that was cool that Mike had. I don't know if we have it or not, but Jalen Hurts was talking to Shador and Big Dom was like 10 feet away, kind of like keeping guard. Big Dom's everywhere. Love it. You know what's crazy about the Philadelphia Eagles? last year during this time and even a month into the season, everybody wanted Sirianni gone. He was yelling at fans. They couldn't stand him. And then all of a sudden, all this drama that happened surrounding the Philadelphia Eagles kind of compacted and they utilized that energy, that negative energy, and basically put it to a Super Bowl win.
51:19Do you think that kind of drama in Philadelphia is what they needed to get to the Super Bowl? Yeah, I mean, Philly's one of those cities kind of like Boston and New York. They're just kind of built. I hate that phrase built different, but they really are built different. They're fans, organizations, the temperament of the city, you know, and Sirianni kind of is the perfect Philly guy. He's loud. He can be obnoxious, abrasive, kind of in your face. and it's the perfect personality for the city and for that team. You know, they're offensive and defensive line driven, which is obviously you got to have a different mentality to play that position to begin with.
51:58Jalen Hurts is this like stoic, like GQ model looking dude who is just like, yeah, I haven't even looked at my ring yet. I'm thinking about next year's ring. You're like, whoa, okay, this dude's different. Saquon comes in, obviously a lot to prove, big chip on his shoulder and has one of the greatest running back seasons, arguably of all time. and, you know, A.J. Brown's that type of way. They have all these just dudes. A lot of Hall of Famers, I think, potentially on this roster. And Sirianni is just kind of the perfect coach to kind of guide them. And you saw what happened last year, and I have no reason to believe they're not going to be back in the Super Bowl again this year.
52:34Any Super Bowl hangover. You don't think there's going to be every team. Not for Philadelphia, man. Everyone says that about Kansas City. Oh, they're not going to have a hangover. They're going to be the Kansas City Chiefs. And then the next year they kind of had a hangover. So it kind of happens. Like, and I know people say like, Hey, it's Philly. Philly's different. They're built different. Every team is built different. I hear it all the time, but there's always some sort of hangover. There's not really a hangover for the winners when you, when you're kind of happy. We've seen the Superbowl losers kind of have a little bit, you know, struggling out the gate, the week one stats, you know, are what they are.
53:13But I mean, if you're talking about which team, Kansas City or Philly, is likely to have a hangover, I would bet Kansas City, the team that got absolutely lambasted on the biggest stage. All right. Well, coming up on the second hour, we're going to take some calls. 844-204-RICH. Let's go to break. You want to impress them on a first date, but also play it cool. So what do you do? I'm Rufy Thorpe and I wrote and read a real love story about a hinge couple that navigated exactly that Listen to the free audiobook now
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