Seahawks Deserving. Patriots Fraudulent? And More Super Bowl LX Takeaways!

12:43Billy Gil:And he had won a playoff game. Daniel Jones might be the next best option for that.

12:47Diante Lee:Coming off the Achilles. I feel like this was his chance at that. I don't know if it's still going to happen for him. Maybe it will. Sorry, Colts fans. You know, I don't know. But yeah, I'm looking at the other ones. I don't see another obvious one. What about a Tua situation? No, come on. Be serious, Billy.

13:04Billy Gil:People are willing to hear it on Bryce Young,

13:06Sheil Kapadia:not on Tua. I feel like Tua, like Daniel was his guy. You know what I mean? It's not going to get better for him. He already had the good situation.

13:14Diante Lee:That's the thing. You know, you got to come out of the bad situation to a good situation where I guess you could, yeah.

13:20Billy Gil:Yeah, I guess Daniel Jones and Bryce Young might be the only two that would check those boxes.

13:23Diante Lee:Those are two to keep it on. This Seahawks team. Now, this whole season, we've been like, this is such a weird season. You know, it's just like, is there a great team? How many great teams are there? Who's going to win it? I do think they are definitely a worthy champ, though. You know, there was this weird thing where all the advanced stats, DVOA is like, this is the sixth best team of the last 50 years or something. You're like, they feel good. I don't know that they feel that good. But now you look at it, they're 17-3 over 20 games. They lost three games by a total of nine points. They did not lose a game by more than four points all season long.

13:57Diante Lee:Like, it's just any way you look at it statistically, reasonably, resume, they do have a Super Bowl resume, right? Do we put that to sleep, that they are a great team, even though it's a weird season? Or are you like, well, not so fast? I would say they're a great team.

14:13Billy Gil:They're a great team. I would be really hesitant to put them in any conversation, really with the best teams that we've seen over the last decade and a half, let alone you start talking about the last 30 plus years, right? And it's not a knock on what they've accomplished. We just happen to have seen. Who cares? They won. Exactly. But we've just seen some incredible single seasons over the last two decades or so. So yeah, no, not in that conversation for me quite yet. If they hold this group together and they're able to make a back-to-back run, then we would have that conversation like is this the most unlikely you know um hot streak that you could have imagined in the nfl but all time no was there any hipsy team that could have actually challenged them good question the best probably would have been a healthy denver i think a healthy

14:58Diante Lee:denver could have challenged them healthy denver interesting not josh allen going no i don't think

15:04Billy Gil:i don't think that you don't think so i don't know how that defense would have fared against the run game that we saw from seattle come playoff time see i look at i feel like it would

15:11Diante Lee:It would be more like the Rams basically were the team that pushed them the farthest. And so if you have a great offense and can put up points against them, at least you're going to be in the game. So I kind of feel like Buffalo, maybe.

15:24Billy Gil:I don't know. Maybe it's that Thursday night game against Houston that is just like sticking out too much in my head when you think about similar defense. I mean, and obviously Josh Allen was awesome in the wildcard round against Jacksonville. I think Turnover to the Side was actually had a very reminiscent game to the one that we talked about around that time last year between Lamar Jackson and Josh Allen, where you get those ugly early turnovers and then it ultimately ends up sinking your playoff chances. But I just don't think that that Buffalo team was complete enough to deal with what we saw from Seattle, knowing that the best offense this season, Los Angeles, took basically two A++ games from their quarterback and their run game to be able to hold serve against them for one game and then take them to the end in the others.

16:05Billy Gil:I don't think there's anybody in the AFC that could have reached that level to play with them. They didn't make it to the playoffs,

16:10Sheil Kapadia:but Phillip Rivers' Colts played them tough. They only lost by two.

16:14Diante Lee:What a weird game that was. Yeah, you're right. And that was his first game back, right? That was his first game.

16:18Billy Gil:It was bubble screen central. Definitely bubble screen and inside zone central in that game.

16:23Diante Lee:Kept them in it. Yeah. Phillip Rivers, you know? What if he was in central? One last ride. One last ride. I think, all right, who are the people who are just like, we're not sleeping tonight because of the result here? We talked about this before. Jets fans, I think Jets fans are fine. You've got to be fine. You have to be fine. And Billy, after that, I don't know if I forwarded the emails. We got emails from Jets fans who were like, no, we actually are rooting for Sam. They said if you go on Reddit, Jets Reddit, the only thing that everybody agrees about is that they were rooting for Sam Darnold in playoffs.

16:55Diante Lee:Let's see. It's a weird phenomenon just because he's like a nice guy and they're like, our organization's dysfunctional. Good for him. He never was like, get me out of New York or anything.

17:05Billy Gil:I mean, three stops after you're allowed to be happy, right? If you had gone to Carolina and you're making a run to the NFC Championship game, people might be a little bit more salty. And to the point of being a low-profile guy, in spite of how high he was drafted and how much attention he had garnered from getting to start in his career in New York, I'm not surprised that Jets fans' rooting seem strong. I think indifferent to the success will probably be a little bit more accurate. I'm on Jets Reddit.

17:30Sheil Kapadia:I'm on Jets Reddit right now. There's people wearing Sam Jarnold jerseys watching the game. Let's go, Sam. They were rooting for him tonight.

17:37Diante Lee:Now, do you think that's a good representation of fans on Reddit?

17:40Sheil Kapadia:I think they just hate Woody Johnson, if I'm going to be honest with you. As they should.

17:44Diante Lee:Yeah, I think that's right. Good for them. This might be like a new segment. Billy checks Reddit. Yeah. It's a dangerous game. Dangerous game. You know what? I think like 20 years from now, Sean McVay is going to be like that year, 2025. five. I feel like we had a great team. And now it's two years in a row where he's looking at it going like one play goes differently. He could have been playing in the Super Bowl. I think that Rams team last year beats the Chiefs in the Super Bowl. And I think the Rams team beats this Patriots team in the Super Bowl. Like we could be talking about him as a three-time Super Bowl champ without adjusting that much.

18:26Diante Lee:This isn't one that like, hey, five or six plays go differently. It's kind of like one play at the end of that Eagles game. And then the one play where Demarcus Lawrence peels off against the Seahawks. Like, I mean, McVay and Stafford, like, no, look at what the Seahawks did to everybody else. And they were just like, we're cooking this defense. We're going to go up and down the field on them. And they have nothing to show for it.

18:46Billy Gil:Hell, I mean, if you win that Thursday night game towards the end of the season, the NFC championship game is being hosted, you know, at SoFi Stadium. And that might've been, that might've been what ultimately swung the game. So I think to, to your point, yeah, they're both probably going to be 20 years. down the line, both wearing gold jackets, watching their daughters, you know, all around or whatever. And they're going to be saying, man, can you imagine what this would have been like if we had just finished the deal against this team? We might have been multiple, multiple time champions.

19:12Diante Lee:Has an owner ever gone out on top like this? Like we just won the championship and now we're selling. Is that what the Celtics did or is that the year after? Yes, I think that was right after. Is this a new thing?

19:21Sheil Kapadia:Win the title and sell your team. Well, and you're also losing your OC. So you're going to be kind of a little bit down there. And now it's time to get off. so high, you know? I don't know.

19:30Diante Lee:Is he going to be that hard to replace Clint Kubiak? He did an excellent job. Oh, this is the take. Come on, Mike McDonald is the guy who, I mean, that is, we have watched it. I think Clint Kubiak did a great job. I don't think it's like the hardest guy to replace, I would say, in terms of, like, is he among, he's certainly not among the top five offensive play callers to replace. Probably not top, maybe not top 10. Maybe top 10. I would say top 10. Okay.

19:57Billy Gil:I would say top 10. And so the point of replacing and offensive coordinators, I'm sure we can pull up your Philly special email and see a lot of people with a lot of thoughts about what the experience can be like when you have to replace your championship winning offensive coordinator. That's true. Okay.

20:09Sheil Kapadia:After Super Bowl, is it too soon to ask Drake May, fraud, like what happened? Great tease.

20:15Diante Lee:Take a break. We come back. I do think, again, when you're in the airport tomorrow, you look at the TVs. Oh, that's... Oh, it's going to be all over. We're the Patriots frauds all along. So let's take a break and come back. Maybe not an unreasonable question. This episode is brought to you by Mint Mobile. This January, quit overspending on wireless with 50 % off unlimited premium wireless. Plans start at$15 a month at mintmobile.com slash ringer NFL. Limited time offer, upfront payment of$45 for three months, $90 for six months or$180 for 12 months. Plan required$15 per month equivalent. Taxes and fees extra initial plan term only.

20:56Diante Lee:Over 50 gigabytes may slow when network is busy. Capable devices required. Availability, speed, and coverage varies. See MintMobile.com. All right, we're back on the Ringer NFL show. All right, let's talk about, wait, real quick, before the Patriots, Mike McDonald, we just talked about, and I feel like he already has the resume of one of the great defensive coaches. Like he just went to a, he coached a great defense in Baltimore, engineered it, and then he left, became a head coach, And within two years, coached a great defense that won a Super Bowl. Like, even if he retired now, that's an incredible resume.

21:32Diante Lee:I have some ideas.

21:33Sheil Kapadia:This is when he started those games. I want to go to TV. No, I want to go. Oh, I think I'm tired of coaching. I'm going to go to TV.

21:38Diante Lee:I think he's more of a podcast guy, but not sports podcast.

21:40Sheil Kapadia:No, he has no intention of retiring at all. He's just going to say that to get more content. Yeah, there's a Sean McVay.

21:45Billy Gil:You listen to Mike McDonald talk? That is a sicko. Okay, that is a coaching sicko. If there's one thing he's not going to do, it's retire. I think you're going to have to pry this job. Maybe he's behind the scenes on podcasts.

21:54Diante Lee:I think he's a listener. He wants to be a producer. You got to keep an eye on the live stream. See if he's in the comment section. We got room for you. Absolutely. Mikey Mac. But yeah, this is, I mean, he has a chance. Now, he's so young and he just started that it's crazy to say, but like he has a chance to build up a Hall of Fame resume as a defensive coach.

22:14Billy Gil:I mean, you'd have to say the last one we had like this that came from a great, putting together a great defense in one spot, becoming a head coach and becoming a champion is Tony Dungy, I guess. probably be the next closest. And I mean, that took a while. And you're tied to Peyton Manning at that point. So obviously, you know, the offense ends up, I think, carrying the brunt of the labor, especially when you look at some of the ways that the Colts struggled at that time. Levy Smith didn't reach these heights, right? If they would have won with Chicago, that probably would have been the next best thing.

22:42Billy Gil:As a defensive-minded guy, getting control of an organization and being able to push them to a championship level. But no, I don't think that, I can't think of the last time we've had a guy from a defensive background reached these heights, especially coming out of the Brady, Manning, Breeze, etc., etc. era. It definitely has been a while.

23:01Diante Lee:All right, so are the Patriots frauds, Billy? Wait, were you saying is Drake May a fraud or are the Patriots frauds? We can do both if you want. All right, where do you want to start?

23:09Sheil Kapadia:I mean, the Patriots, yeah, this is off schedule. We were saying it all season. And then here we go, Super Bowl time. They didn't look great. At any point in that time, did you think the Patriots were in the game? No.

23:22Diante Lee:Unless there was like a flute, like a special teams, I felt like it needed that kind of play for them to get back to that.

23:28Sheil Kapadia:They actually did a decent like bend don't break. 100 break. These fans played well. Yeah. I mean, we were talking, well, not seriously, but we were having a conversation. Should we be considering the kicker for the MVP of this game because he's the only one who's put up points? He set a record five field goals in a Super Bowl and never been done before. 29 points.

23:46Diante Lee:Honestly, the punter was, Dixon was more impressive. Did you see those punts? He was just feeling himself on that last one. A little quick, a little lighter.

23:54Billy Gil:I need a little bit more character for our punters when they're out there contributing to wins. I mean, he was jacked.

23:59Sheil Kapadia:He's probably hated by other punters, right? Definitely take his creativity.

24:02Diante Lee:Yeah, he listened to Chris Long.

24:03Sheil Kapadia:I think that other punters probably don't like him because of what a great job he was doing because now that becomes the norm in punting, right?

24:10Diante Lee:As it should be. Right. We were talking about this. One job. He had the great pun early and you went, oh my God, it's incredible. It's like, this is your job? Shouldn't you be able to do this almost every time? I don't understand.

24:22Sheil Kapadia:I'm asking

24:22Billy Gil:I don't know as the one coach here I'm going to abstain you're abstaining? I'm abstaining on this one I'm abstaining on this one because I don't think I have any healthy feedback he has to coach a punter he can't now if his

24:33Diante Lee:now if his the kid he's coaching you know is a punter and be like the guy's going to get all nervous and be like Coach Lee Coach D what do they call it Coach D Lee

24:42Billy Gil:Coach Lee

24:42Diante Lee:Coach Lee Coach Lee expects me to just take like Michael Dixon what are you teaching

24:49Sheil Kapadia:your punters? I don't really do anything that's exactly nah you should be yeah how about punting specialist Billy Gill I don't know how to punt but I mean I feel like you can figure it out that's you know what thank you shit

25:00Billy Gil:I believe in you there you go you can give us some remote work yeah I will take that I would definitely take that

25:06Diante Lee:alright so are the Patriots frauds now I think that there's certainly a case that they beat up on a soft schedule all season long and then they got to face Jared Stidham in the AFC championship game And then they got to the Super Bowl, and they kind of looked like they didn't belong for most of the game. But I will also say it was a weird season, and you can only play the teams in front of you. But I do think the people who think the Patriots are frauds do have some ammo here, Deontay.

25:35Billy Gil:I wouldn't say they're frauds. I'd say that today they were the same team they had been throughout the entire playoff run, which is extraordinary. The offense disappeared during the playoff run. It was an awful offense all postseason. They played four straight games against four good defenses, and the defenses they played against kicked their asses in all four of them. They just happened to force enough turnovers and play well enough with their defense to be able to get by. Like I said, this was the one team that was not going to hand them the game, that had enough explosiveness and was consistent enough, not hampered by weather conditions or anything like that, to be able to finish the deal.

26:08Billy Gil:but New England look like the same team that they've been for the last month, which is a team that can win a game if you make mistakes. But if you hold on to the ball, if you're smart with the ball and your defense plays well, they were always going to be vulnerable and susceptible to a game like this.

26:22Sheil Kapadia:The fraud question probably isn't fair, and I'm the one that asked it. But here's the thing. Here's the thing about them and about Drake May, right? Did they blow their opportunity? I think one argument in their favor is, who's the power in the AFC next season? I mean, you don't necessarily see them and say they're going to come back to the Super Bowl next year, right? But who's the one that's going to be in their way?

26:46Diante Lee:I think it's not just one. It's the fact that there's going to be a group that was not in there this year that they'll have to play. They didn't have to play Josh Allen. They didn't have to play Patrick Mahomes. They didn't have to play Lamar Jackson. They didn't have to play Joe Burrow. I know the Chargers never win a playoff game, but I think they're going to be better next year. Josh Allen had to beat Trevor Lawrence

27:06Billy Gil:so you didn't have to see that Jacksonville team was as hot as any at the end of the year.

27:10Diante Lee:You know, because there is always this thing when you have a young team or a young quarterback who gets there sooner, you always are like, oh, well, they'll be back. And as the broadcast pointed out, much to Billy Shukvin, my Dolphins fan, he's like, you know, they're like, or will it be like Dan Marino? And he's like, why do they have to mention that every time?

27:27Sheil Kapadia:Torrico was just looking, or Collinsworth, whoever was, was just looking to take that shot for some reason. It seemed personal almost, you know?

27:32Diante Lee:But it is a good point, I feel like. There's no guarantee. they might they could never make might never make a Super Bowl it should have been

27:38Sheil Kapadia:the Lions a couple years ago right and Dan Campbell was crying after the game he's like that might have been our window and we're like come on Dan stop being ridiculous and he was right I mean he was right that was the closest they got

27:48Diante Lee:now the case for them Deontay if you're a Patriots fan you'll listen to this and be like shut up you're wrong is that maybe because we have to get to the heart of what happened to them in the playoffs so the theories are Drake May's shoulder was hurt way more than they were letting on and we're going to find out that's coming out By the time you listen to this, they're going to be like, he had 17 surgeries on his shoulder an hour after the game and will be staying in San Francisco for the next six months because he can't fly. He battled through it. Unbelievable performance. That's one. It could be that it was a combination of different things.

28:18Diante Lee:Weather in one game. Opponent in this game. AFC Championship. It was just that, hey, we don't want to give the game away, so we're going to play this certain style. It could be that. It could be that they beat up on an easy schedule, regular season. You face tougher teams, and now all of a sudden, and your offense isn't as good. Here's the one I actually think it might be, is that the deficiencies around Drake May caught up to them in a real way where it was like, before the season, I'm looking at the O-line and the wide receivers going like, you know, I'd like Drake May, but this is going to still be very hard for them to succeed with this.

28:53Diante Lee:And he was able to overcome that for a while because of those other factors, but eventually it catches up to you. So I feel like they have an off season where we could look at this team in week one of next season and be like, wow, Drake May is in a way better spot now than he was even in the Super Bowl.

29:07Billy Gil:I think that's true. I think that when you look at, especially up front, they had two rookies playing side by side in the Super Bowl in Jared Wilson and Will Campbell. And I mean, those two got roundly beat throughout the playoffs and were clearly being targeted throughout today's action in the Super Bowl. I think you can't assume that the trajectory is always just going to be upward, right? That's not how this works in the sport or in any sport.

29:31Diante Lee:Especially for losers of the Super Bowl the next year. Exactly.

29:34Billy Gil:You can only get, there's only one condition that would be better than where you were just at. Right. But I think you would say Trevion Henderson, Will Campbell, Jared Wilson, a second year quarterback. Maybe you can address some other things with the receiver. AJ Brown. Possibly. Possibly.

29:49Diante Lee:I feel like that could, I feel like that could happen sooner rather than later.

29:53Billy Gil:I mean, it could be AJ Brown. It might not have to be AJ Brown. What if it's Alec Pierce plus another receiver instead of the whatever currency it's going to take for you to go acquire a player like A.J. Brown? A Rashid Shaheed. A Rashid Shaheed. I thought you were going to say, how about both?

30:08Diante Lee:Why not? You know? Why not? Quarterback on a rookie contract, right?

30:12Sheil Kapadia:Did it look like the moment was too big for him today? Rashid Shaheed? No. Okay, Drake May. Yeah, Drake May. He seemed nervous. I mean, he seemed to be rushing things, but it could also be he didn't want to keep getting destroyed, you know? I think he was just getting crushed. Yeah.

30:24Billy Gil:I honestly just think he was getting crushed.

30:26Diante Lee:Yeah, it wasn't like, even the plays where he wasn't getting crushed, he wasn't good. But as we've seen with quarterbacks, when you get hit, it has like a cumulative effect where all of a sudden he's rushing throws, he's off target. He really has looked like a different guy the last month. And even during the season, he had like the best numbers in the NFL when he was pressured. So again, it was like, it wasn't that he wasn't getting pressured. It was like, when he is getting pressured, he's Superman. And then if you look at the playoffs, he's turned into like the worst quarterback in the NFL when pressured.

30:52Sheil Kapadia:So this isn't Super Bowl related, but it's probably good that he didn't win the MVP, right? Because it would have been bad if the MVP, he comes out and he has that stinker of a game. I'm like, oh. That would have been rough. Now, can we talk about the fact that Justin Herbert got an MVP vote and that's what cost him the MVP? I can't do this. That's crazy.

31:09Billy Gil:I can't do this. I can't do this. Sam Monson, we are PFF buddies. I always got your back, okay? Okay. If nobody else got you, I got you.

31:18Diante Lee:Well, listen, he at least said who he voted for. Yeah. You know? He gave the reasoning. I don't see the reasoning for Justin Herbert. This is, to me, his hipster culture has gone too far in the NFL. Only because I understand Justin Herbert had bad circumstances, but if I'm a Patriots fan, I'm like, Drake may have bad circumstances too and he was like the best quarterback in the league statistically and Justin Herbert was what, like 21st. So to me, it's like, if he had a great, like I think Dak Prescott would be more deserving than Justin Herbert. No. That's a great shoe part. But it's like, at least I need somebody whose numbers are, or at a certain spot where it's like if you replaced him with somebody else like if he was like the 10th best quarterback then I could be like alright he was 10th in EPA for play and if you put someone else in there it would have been 25th but when you're 21st there's like not that you know not that much further down you can go

32:08Billy Gil:but people are free to vote for who they want to 100 % I think that all of this

32:12Diante Lee:don't go overboard

32:13Billy Gil:we're not telling you to target everything with the MVP has been overblown in my opinion

32:18Sheil Kapadia:that rogue vote saved us embarrassment in the Super Bowl, right? Yeah. He could have been the MVP

32:23Diante Lee:and then look at this. That actually would have looked, but yeah, because if Drake May would have won it and then we just saw Stafford face the Seahawks and then we just saw Drake May face the Seahawks. Yeah. That probably wouldn't have been great. I mean. So Sam Monson, he won it, one of the winners of the Super Bowl. He foresaw this coming. 100%.

32:39Billy Gil:Months ago. I mean, to your original question about like, is this, was this too soon? Will they be back? Were they frauds for not being able to come through in this moment? As we're talking, And the thing I just keep thinking about is Drake May's hometown team, the Carolina Panthers, who were here, who were in that stadium a decade ago, you know, and came up short. And everybody thought, hey, Cam Newton in his prime just won an MVP. Luke Keekly already looked like a Hall of Fame level player. They had all this defensive talent. They were on the upswing at that point in time as a franchise. And they didn't come back.

33:10Billy Gil:And a lot of that is because the NFC at that time had so many great quarterbacks. You're still talking about Drew Brees and Aaron Rodgers, right? You had Carson Palmer, who had played really well in Arizona at that time. It's entirely possible that, yes, we see the Patriots regularly in the playoffs for the next half decade, and it just doesn't matter because they end up on the road playing Baltimore or playing Buffalo or playing Kansas City or Cincinnati. It can swing just that quickly.

33:36Sheil Kapadia:Well, I mean, it's early in his career, right? But that's kind of where Joe Burrow is at, too. Absolutely. He made the Super Bowl right away. Hasn't gotten close since. I mean, he still has plenty of career left, but he hasn't gotten close to being back to the Super Bowl.

33:49Diante Lee:It's hard. It's hard to get.

33:50Sheil Kapadia:Yeah, it turns out it's hard to get to the Super Bowl. A lot of stuff has to go your way.

33:53Diante Lee:You know, you have to like get the schedule. You have to pile up the wins. You have to stay healthy. Stay healthy is the biggest one. I mean, these quarterbacks, it's like you look at some of them and it's like, unless you're like Josh Allen. Right. Injuries are a part of almost every season. It's just a matter of how bad is it? Can you play through it? Did you get injured in September or did you suffer that devastating injury in December? And now you look like a different guy in the playoffs. So I like Drake. I like Drake May a lot. I'm on the record. I like Drake May a lot. None of this is a poor reflection on Drake May.

34:22Diante Lee:But yeah, put that on the record. But yeah, there are no guarantees. I mean, this was bad. So among 33 quarterbacks who played at least three playoff games in a postseason the last 10 years, he ranks 47th out of 52 starters in EPA per pass. Like it's, it's kind of one of the worst in terms of quarterbacks whose teams won. Yes. It's almost, it's like one of the worst quarterback performances. It's almost impossible to play this bad and get this far. Said much better. See, this is why you need help from your friends because I, I don't know what I was saying. I couldn't explain it. And then Deontay just with the one liner there.

34:56Diante Lee:Hey man, co-pilot.

34:57Sheil Kapadia:A lot of weird broadcast moments. There was, there was Collinsworth where for whatever reason they were talking about the onside kick. And he said, I'll never forget where I was. I was at the concession stand. It's like, wait, what? And then in one of the Drake May, so in Drake May's interception in the middle of the field, they went to Chris Collinsworth for analysis and he said, and I quote, eh, I got nothing for you here. Just because of how bad the pass was. Like the broadcasting was awesome today.

35:26Diante Lee:They are great, honestly. Just a very fun listen. It was very much like,

35:30Sheil Kapadia:this is our last game this year.

35:33Billy Gil:They had that officiating thing where you kind of put it out right before they threw it over to their official in-studio. And he was like, yeah, that was a wrong call.

35:41Diante Lee:You know what? They did a great job because they, I've ripped the officiating experts all the time on here. Because some of them, not to mention names, where's my, you know who I'm talking about? I think it's my camera. I don't know if I did that right or not. But some of them are like, you know, it's just like, this is my chance to shine. And they talk for eight minutes and you have no idea. So Tariko, what he did was, it was the catch, Cooper Cup catch catch on the first possession. And he just goes, Terry says that would have been a catch. Thank you. We just solved the officiating expert thing.

36:12Diante Lee:We actually don't need to hear from them. We just need them to tell the broadcast, was it the right call or the wrong call? So they did a nice job there. But the concession thing had me rolling. That one, we need to spend another minute because they're talking about Thomas Morstead onside kick, Saints Colts. I mean, iconic. Literally one of the greatest Super Bowl moments ever. Started out the second half with that. and Chris Collinsworth, you know, they're like, oh yeah, everyone remembers where they were for that and Chris Collinsworth just goes, I was at the concessions then. And Dorico just moved on to the next thing.

36:47Diante Lee:I mean, I don't understand. You want to talk about laying a grenade in your play-by-play guy's lap.

36:52Billy Gil:What is he supposed to do with that? That was very, that was very Al Michaels of Chris Collinsworth.

36:57Diante Lee:I'm not here to tell NBC content, social media what to do, But I would like to learn more about. So he wasn't calling the game, I presume? He couldn't have been because that was a CBS rocker. Okay, so he's there as a fan, presumably. Or media. I guess he could have been media. Long halftime lines, I guess. No, but I mean, halftime is so extended. So was there a musical act?

37:18Sheil Kapadia:Yeah, why was he in a concession stand with the commoners? Did he mean the media press box thing? I don't know. I'm very confused.

37:26Diante Lee:Imagine just going to a game and Chris Collinsworth is getting a hot dog.

37:30Billy Gil:He's a tall dude. He's a big dude. Just seeing gangly Chris Collins. I got to tell you. Trying to grab a hot dog smoking. Trying to grab a can of Miller Lite and a hot dog, you know?

37:40Sheil Kapadia:I uncovered a new football strategy today that I floated by you very briefly. And you said, tell me no more. Let's talk about this later.

37:48Diante Lee:I actually forget what it was.

37:50Sheil Kapadia:So I discovered kind of like a glitch in football and in the NFL. Oh, I remember this. That can be kind of exploited by a smart coach down the road. So we saw, or we didn't see because they intentionally didn't show us this situation. There was a streaker on the field, an alleged streaker. They were, you know, just no shirt. But a streak was on the field and it delayed the game a good like three, four minutes. Why can football teams not employ people to go and streak on the field on their behalf should they be out of timeout? You can't like have it be known this is the team's official streaker, right?

38:28Sheil Kapadia:but like you have like a guy like a big dom or someone and he goes out there you know for the eagles and he tells some of his friends hey you know what we're gonna post bail i know some of the cops in the city this will get expunged not a big deal like it's not really gonna affect you long term but why don't you have like two or three people in the stands in a game like the super bowl so if you run out you're down by five under two minutes left you're out of timeouts you can't stop the clock, right?

38:55Diante Lee:Yeah.

38:56Sheil Kapadia:You're driving. You can't stop the clock. Boom. Someone runs on the field. They have to stop the game and they're not going to know that this person's attached to you. Why? Why has no one done this?

39:06Diante Lee:Honestly, you've had many great ideas, but this is the best.

39:09Billy Gil:I'm telling you, this is peak.

39:10Diante Lee:Because especially, you know, I was thinking about it because this is the Super Bowl. This was actually the hardest situation because you're at a neutral site. Yeah. There's so much security. If you can pull it out, if a streaker can get on the field here. That's a hell of an achievement.

39:22Sheil Kapadia:That's why you have two or three though, because then you can kind of attack from different fronts. You know what?

39:26Billy Gil:This brings up a great follow-up question. How far down on your friends list do you have to go to find a handful of people? How many no's are you getting before you collect your three streakers?

39:38Diante Lee:Well, because as he was describing it, let's say it's Lincoln Financial Field. Let's say it is Big Dom. You have to identify the people ahead of time, right? All right, there's three people. Get them good seats here. Put them in the Family and friends section. You go up to the event staff person. Hey, just so you know, it's those three people. You have the game a little ajar. You look at Big Dom and it's like a third base code. Like when he goes like this. Yeah. There has to be a sign. That's your cue. There has to be a sign. And you're on and then they're on the field and forget bail. Like they're just, this is all handled under the table.

40:07Diante Lee:I mean, you're at home. You can do whatever you want. Well, no, you have to,

40:11Sheil Kapadia:no. You think you have to carry through? Here's the thing. There has to be like a degree of separation, right? Because this, If this were to ever happen, and this person is found out to be paid and arranged by the team, this would probably blow the Conor Stallions thing out of the water.

40:27Billy Gil:I mean, Pablo Torre would have a field day. Yeah, but like... This would be the greatest story.

40:31Sheil Kapadia:I feel like you could get this.

40:33Diante Lee:There will be people willing to do this. Here's the deal. This has to be a save it for the right moment thing. Yeah. You can't do this three times in a season. This is like home playoff game, a lot on the line I think you do this

40:47Sheil Kapadia:for the Super Bowl I like this I think because here's the thing if it gets if you're the head coach you have to be a hundred percent separated from this situation because this would be horrible ramifications for you if it's found out that you orchestrated this right but you need to have someone there and you can only really probably pull it out once well I guess if you pull it off the first time this is a problem with like a heist right like heist movies it's always one more job it's always one more job once you pull it off you get a little greedy and you always go one too far.

41:18Diante Lee:Listen, there are people dying to work for NFL franchises. There's like a quality control coach. There's an intern. There are low level. The coach doesn't even have to know about this, honestly. Except, you know, you have one conversation at one time and they say, you don't need to know anything about it, but we got you. Don't worry about it. And then you have someone else handle it. I think it's a great idea. I would like to see if anybody...

41:40Billy Gil:The one thing I will say is to learn from the streaker in today's game because he did an excellent job of giving his body up. Yeah. I thought that. Oh, I didn't see it. You've seen footage? Yeah. He must have had. Where was the footage?

41:51Diante Lee:You just said they didn't show it on the broadcast. You guys are searching this somewhere and don't send it to me? Yeah, yeah.

41:55Billy Gil:So, this kid, whoever this guy is, he must have had a history as a quarterback because we want to say like textbook slide, ask Kyle Williams, it's coming in. And it felt like.

42:03Diante Lee:Kyle Williams was going out?

42:04Billy Gil:It almost felt like the slide was so good, it like triggered an automatic response in Kyle Williams because he immediately backed off. Like, hey man, he gave his body up. If I make contact with this guy, it's 15 yards. It's an automatic first down. You know, even the security seemed like they kind of played it a little easy on him. He got lucky. After he gave his body up.

42:20Sheil Kapadia:He didn't have the aggressive security guards who wanted to come in and just take a free swing.

42:24Diante Lee:So he's feeling good tomorrow when he wakes up.

42:26Sheil Kapadia:Yeah, he might have felt good.

42:27Diante Lee:A little bit, but not as bad as the other ones we've seen. Oh, 100%. Okay. You know, Tariko, I always laugh when the announcers feel like they have to get to a certain outrage level. Yes. When that happens. Tariko actually didn't do that. Another feather in his cap.

42:40Sheil Kapadia:He just called him a rocket scientist. Yeah. Yeah. His head was already in Milan. Yeah. He's like, I'm headed to the Olympics. I don't care. I got to call Lizzie Vaughn's injury later.

42:51Diante Lee:Crazy. All right. One more break. Come back. Get to some leftovers here. And wrap up our coverage of Super Bowl 60. All right. We are back here on the Ringer NFL show. We covered Seahawks. You had a case for another MVP over Kenneth Walker, Deontay, that I thought was interesting.

43:08Billy Gil:I did. I had Devin Witherspoon. I think ultimately, statistically, when his sack was ruled as an interception by Yishina Nwosu, that actually ended up kind of robbing him. You could just kind of have to have the counting numbers as a defensive guy, right? That's kind of how Malcolm Smith was able to get it, get in the fumble recovery, gets the interception that he takes back to the house against the Broncos when the Seahawks played them in 2013 in New York. But I thought that, at least defensively, he was the most valuable player on the field. I think I tweeted out that it was a Rondé Barber-esque performance, right?

43:38Billy Gil:I think about all the times that he was used as a blitzer. He had two TFLs in this game. We mentioned the sacks. He ended up getting a pass breakup as well. And it's very similar, I think, to when you and I were in the press box last year in New Orleans watching Cooper DeGene. I was just watching him on a snap-by-snap basis, and I'm like, you cannot convince me that this isn't the best football player on the field right now. That's kind of how Devin Witherspoon looked. Even though he didn't win MVP, ultimately, I think that he had about as big of an impact as any singular player did in this game.

44:09Diante Lee:It was a great argument when Deontay was making it in real time. And speaking of Tirico, he was like, oh, if Kenneth Walker, if they would have let that run go without the holding, he's like, that could have been an MVP decider. It's like deciding over who? He didn't mention it. He's probably thinking like Deontay was thinking. Jason Myers. Listen, I was... Jason Myers.

44:25Sheil Kapadia:I can't. No one wanted to hear that. Yeah, no one wanted to hear that. So you could go online and vote. I don't know who officially decided. I didn't know that until you told me. Yeah, they said on the screen. But does it matter? I don't know if that matters. That's what I was wondering, too. I don't know if that matters. Who officially votes for the MVP of the Super Bowl?

44:40Billy Gil:I think media, right? I think there's a select panel.

44:42Sheil Kapadia:Is it like the thing where it's like, oh, you got one vote out of, you know, four votes or whatever? Probably not. But you could go online at like NFL.com slash MVP or whatever. No free ads.

44:52Diante Lee:Come on.

44:53Sheil Kapadia:That wasn't, whatever. It doesn't matter. Jason Myers wasn't even an option. And at the time, he was the only one that had scored any points. Rightfully so.

45:00Billy Gil:No specialist gets to win. Rightfully so. No specialist gets to win Super Bowl MVP.

45:03Sheil Kapadia:What if he would have just given it to Seahawks special teams? That's cowardly too. Between the punter and the kicker. That's cowardly. They were carrying the Seahawks. What do you mean?

45:14Billy Gil:The Seahawks special teams is the MVP? The Grammys just passed by. Imagine if they had given a co-album of the year. No, that's cowardly.

45:22Sheil Kapadia:I feel like it's happened.

45:23Billy Gil:It's probably it's happened and it was cowardly every time that it has. I did love those dicks and punts though. That's what I'm saying. He put on a clinic.

45:29Diante Lee:How did he do that? He put on a clinic. Unbelievable. Kevin O 'Connell, happiest man. Is he, all right, well, I don't know. Is he happiest or most upset? Because there's two sides of it. Happiest because he's like, only you saying I engineered this ouster of our GM. Now look, if I would have had Sam Darnold, we would have been playing in the Super Bowl. Or is he actually upset? Because he's like, if we would have had Sam Darnold, we would have been in the Super Bowl. You got to be upset. You have to be upset.

45:57Billy Gil:It's not just that. this guy wins the Super Bowl and his backup went 8-1 to start the year or whatever the case may have been and had the most efficient offense before he ended up tearing his Achilles so I do think that you're kicking yourself even if you're the GM who kind of helped with orchestrating this roster is no longer there you have to be thinking either one of those two guys on this offense and that might have been us

46:21Diante Lee:I wonder if teams will do crazy stuff this offseason being like we're going to build a great defense and we're going to go get this quarterback and we're going to win next year. Like we were saying, that's going to be a talking point this week, but I actually wonder if NFL teams are going to do that.

46:36Billy Gil:Let's say you're Miami or you're Arizona. You have ties to Green Bay. Malik Willis' deal is coming up. He'll be a free agent. What if you're Michael Floor or you're Jeff Halfley and you say, you go get me Malik Willis and give me two years to go draft up a defense. You need the coach though, I think. You need the defensive coach. I don't disagree with that. I don't disagree. So it would have to kind of be a Jeff Halfley and then I guess you're still dealing with the AFC.

47:00Diante Lee:The Vikings could talk themselves into it, for sure. I think so. You know, now they would have to get good enough quarterback play, but they could talk themselves into fielding a D. The Texans are probably like, man, are we that far away? You know, we had a great defense.

47:15Billy Gil:The answer's probably no. You have three turnovers instead of five in the division round, and they might have been hoisting the Lombardi trophy.

47:21Sheil Kapadia:All right, so Texans are feeling pretty good. There's not good free agent quarterbacks. Broncos. There's Daniel Jones, but he's good. Coming up an injury. Aaron Rodgers, Russell Wilson, Marcus Mariota, Zach Wilson. Zach Wilson going to be a chance? No. Crazy?

47:36Diante Lee:He's worse than Tua earlier. No, but Kyler Murray's probably going to get traded. That's probably the big domino to fall. Yeah, Kirk Cousins is going to get released. I don't know if you love him. Yeah, I'm more interested in who can build up the great defense where maybe the quarterback doesn't have to be perfect. No, we'll say. Minnesota, I'm telling you.

47:54Sheil Kapadia:Minnesota. Flacco's out there. one last right for Joe Flacco maybe let's see

47:59Diante Lee:all right Christian Gonzalez great game I'm just getting to my leftovers here he was awesome

48:04Billy Gil:oh my gosh probably I mean outside of Devin Withers one of my favorite defensive players to watch today probably should have had two interceptions frankly but played excellently throughout the game

48:15Diante Lee:Riley Mills is it okay to admit that I work in football content and when he this guy named Riley Mills I think that's his name had a sack I was like I don't know who that is is that okay or should we cut that out I think everybody should be allowed like three to five per roster.

48:29Billy Gil:I mean, we were sitting next to Danny Kelly, and I looked over, and I was like, isn't that like the ninth defensive lineman in your rotation? Like, why would any reasonable person be asked to know who this rookie defensive tackle is? Yeah, I had no idea.

48:43Diante Lee:All right, anything else you guys need to get off your chest? How are you feeling? Billy, you look like you're— D, are you just Googling stuff? What are you looking up?

48:48Sheil Kapadia:No, I'm going through the notes. I was disappointed by the commercials this year. Super Bowl commercials.

48:52Diante Lee:Can I be honest? I don't—

48:54Sheil Kapadia:All right, sorry. You tell me. Why were you disappointed? There was none. There's no like memorable, like great commercials. I wrote down like three or four commercials. There was a Coinbase commercial where it was just karaoke of Backstreet Boys. I want it that way.

49:08Diante Lee:There were two Backstreet Boys commercials, I believe.

49:10Sheil Kapadia:There was a Liquid IV commercial with singing Toilets, singing Take a Look at Me Now, encouraging you to look at your pee to see if you were dehydrated to take Liquid IV. And then Benson Boone and Ben Still were in an Instacart commercial where Benson Boone was doing his flips that he does when he sings all the time. And then Ben Stiller was trying to do that and he was falling.

49:30Billy Gil:I'm totally indifferent. I just feel so washed.

49:34Diante Lee:And like, I can't speak about any topics because these companies come up and I don't know what that is. I don't know what they do. I've heard about that one before, but I don't know what it is. His name is Billy Gill. His name is Deontay Lee. Thanks to everybody for listening all season. Last football game. Are you sad? No. I'm with you. I'm like, I'm good. I had my fill. It was a fun season, but I'm fine with a little break.

49:57Billy Gil:I'm a completionist, man. Once it's done, I'm totally fine.

49:59Sheil Kapadia:You guys are front office. They're going to say, oh, look at my abacus. I can do a salary cap. It's time to restructure some deals

50:06Billy Gil:on over the cap.

50:07Sheil Kapadia:I can't wait for Aaron Shatz's new book to come out.

50:10Diante Lee:Fake trades, NBA playoffs. Yes, sir. March Madness, some golf majors. Spring training. You don't care about the draft? You don't care about the draft? I am hosting an NFL. I can't say I don't care about it, But I like to, give me some space. I like to, you know, I like to procrastinate in college. I like to just cram at the end. All right. I don't need to hear your 400 different things. Let me just cram at the end. I'll form some bad takes.

50:33Sheil Kapadia:You don't have any Shields big boards coming out soon?

50:35Diante Lee:No, there will not be. Really? No V1, V2s, none of that? There will not be. But on the ringer.com, there will be. Danny Kelly, we see you. D.K., Todd McShay, Deontay will be doing. Deontay has good draft takes. I don't know if I have draft takes. I don't know if I have good draft takes, but I have draft takes. All right, so yes. We will have all those covered, but we appreciate everyone listening all season long. We'll move to kind of a different little setup here for the off season, which we will get to you as soon as possible. We'll be back later this week. So again, thanks to Billy. Thanks to Deontay.

51:06Diante Lee:Thank you to Christopher Sutton. Congratulations to Christopher Sutton, Seahawks fan, for producing us today. Had to watch with us, but he got to celebrate. So it worked out well for him. Stefano Sanchez on video and additional production supervision by Connor Nevins and Arjuna Ramgopal. Ram Gopal. I'm Shiloh Kapadia. We will talk to you soon on the Ringer NFL Show.

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