Takeaways From the NFL Owners Meetings, Jalen Hurts Friction, and Browns Dysfunction!

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25:08This could be the next pickleball, whatever, where it's gonna be very profitable for some people. It's becoming very popular. I'm all for kids playing this before they get to tackle all that stuff. And if you love it, I'm not telling you don't love it. I'm not even hating on it. I'm just telling you that since the Super Bowl, I have not had this need to have, you know, I have to watch more football. I like other sports. I'm watching other sports. I'm feeling good. But this flag football thing is all over the place. I know nothing about this story. I know nothing about the Olympic stuff. But I know this has been a big topic with Tom Brady and Joe Burrow and whatever else is happening.

25:46So I need you to fill me in on what in the world is going on with flag football, the Olympics, and what I need to know about this. Sure. So, I mean, I guess the CliffsNotes version here is that flag football is going to be in the Olympics in LA in 2028, which is coming pretty quick, right? It seemed way down the road when this was all kind of the NFL first started talking about it, but they're going to be in the process of picking these teams pretty soon now. A year ago at the owners' meetings, unanimously NFL ownership approved NFL players to participate in the Olympics. One player per club will be allowed to be on Team USA.

26:25And since then, right, we've like, I mean, we did it here at the Ringer. We kind of did our like dream roster, like who would be great on USA flag football. You know, we all kind of had a lot of fun when some of the actual like Team USA flag football players, remember their quarterback was like, I'm better than Patrick Mahomes. And we all were like, that's the most ridiculous thing we've ever heard. Now fast forward to earlier in March when there was actually like a flag football tournament and it was a couple of teams made of NFL players who were coached by Kyle Shanahan and Sean Payton playing against like the Team USA flag football team.

27:00And the NFL players got their asses handed to them. Like they just got torched, completely embarrassed. I mean, it was fantastic content, right? I mean, but they also like, they trotted out. Tom Brady was quarterbacking one of the teams, which great. That probably helps you sell some tickets in, I think it was in LA where they had it. But you had Joe Burrow, you had Jane Daniels, you had Jalen Hurts. You had kind of like a mishmash of random defensive players. You know, they didn't prep for this, but they were, they just were completely like unaware of what was about to happen to them in terms of what flag football is like.

27:40And the type of football players that are good at flag football are not the same that are good at NFL football. So yeah, I mean, they came out of that talking to Sean Payton and Kyle Shanahan about it this week where they were just kind of like shell-shocked of like, holy cow, this is... I mean, it's a little bit like maybe like European style basketball compared to like an NBA, you know, like American style basketball where it's like, it's the same sport, but a very different style. And like maybe guys with like different skill sets and body types can be successful in a way, you know, on one arena that they wouldn't be in the other.

28:18But really what the NFL folks came away from this was, is like, it's not about size. It's not necessarily about strength. It's not about, you know, even when you think of Patrick Mahomes, who is like, you know, he's, the way he can scramble and move, but he's not this really shifty kind of guy. It's all about being really small side lateral movements. Can you bend? Can you get really low? Can you duck under, move your hip mobility and stuff? And it was just like, holy cow, this is a completely different sport and it requires completely differently trained athletes. So Sean Payton said, I wouldn't be surprised if there's not a single NFL player on Team USA.

28:59I think there's going to be plenty of NFL players on Team USA because the NFL is putting a lot of money in this and they want to sell tickets and there's a marketing thing behind it. But this is not going to be like a dream team 1992 Olympics where all of a sudden, you know, you're putting together the so-called NFL all-star team and they go and they run through and win an Olympic gold medal. This is going to be, I think, a very heavy flag football focused team, maybe with a couple NFL players. sprinkled in. So are the people who are good at this, this is like brand new. I'm like shocked. Wait, this is crazy to me.

29:36I'm trying to wrap my head around it. So are the people who are good at this, are they like former college football players or at least high school football players? Or is it just like, these are great athletes. It sounds like elusiveness is kind of the thing that is bigger than anything else here. Yeah. Well, and this applies a little more specifically to women. And a big part of the growth of flag football is it's a place for girls and women to play and potentially play professionally. They can play college. Ultimately, they're starting a pro football or pro flag football league. But Sean Payton was saying one of the things that he learned when he was looking at this, it was like some of the best players were point guards who weren't quite big enough to play high-level college basketball or professional college basketball, but they have that like vision and agility and like passing instincts.

30:30And, uh, so like in the women's game, he was saying that there was a lot of that, like he saw the kind of that pipeline of like, yeah, it's, it's kind of about smaller, in many cases, smaller is better, which is why I always thought like Kyler Murray, right? Like picture Kyler Murray playing football. Probably not, you know, maybe not coming off of ball and the injuries and stuff that he's had. But he's kind of in my mind, the like the NFL prototype of somebody who would probably succeed and maybe be able to translate his game there in a way that Patrick Mahomes and Joe Burrow and certainly Tom Brady at 48 years old or whatever cannot.

31:07Yeah. I guess the running thing I understand with the quarterbacks, it's hard for me to like, imagine that there are people who could throw the football better than NFL quarterbacks just in terms of back years. Yeah, and I think it's just that it's not the most central part of the game in the way that it is in the NFL. Why do NFL players want to do this? They want to be in the Olympics? I think they want to be in the Olympics. Okay. Yeah. And they want to like show that, hey, there's, you know, we're the best at any kind of football that there is. And then the flip side of this too is like, you know, they're having these flag football tournaments and Joe Burrow, who, how many hours have we spent on this podcast?

31:46talking about Joe Burrow's injuries and protecting him and the investment that the Bengals have made. Joe Burrow out here trying to like spin away from tackles on a turf field in March. Or Jaden Daniels. Yeah. Who, you know, is protecting his health and keeping him from breaking his elbow again or planting weird. That's the other side of this where the coaches don't love it, but they also know that it's a priority for the NFL to have these guys on this stage and being part of this massive initiative and the guys want to do it. And luckily they came out of that. Joe Burrow didn't get hurt. Jaden Daniels didn't get hurt.

32:24But I was nervous watching Joe Burrow, especially in this league. Yeah, there can't be a... If you're an NFL fan of a team, I can't imagine there's a high percentage of people there who are like, I want my quarterback or my best player to be playing in this just because of what you mentioned. It's going to be nerve-wracking. the risk watching some of this. But as you said, priority for the NFL, not going anywhere. So we'll see. Maybe the best players won't be NFL players and it'll be other players and it'll still be popular and everybody will have a good time watching it in the Olympics here in a couple of years.

33:01All right. Next top, next bullet point here. 18 games and the international slate. Lindsay, I had a little bit of a, I don't know if it's a conspiracy theory, but I noticed that this was not necessarily like the big topic in owners meetings. It sounds like there were more, you can tell me if I'm wrong, but more like side conversations, murmurs, but we don't want the monster headline to be from this owners meeting about an 18 game season. And this is on the heels of the NFLPA installing JC Treader as its executive director, which felt to many of us, myself included, like, oh, the NFL got what they wanted.

33:38Somebody who's gonna be very league friendly and give us what we want. and it's not going to be hard to negotiate against this guy, we're all aligned. So I almost wondered if the NFL just wants a little space between that hire and that news and news of an 18 game season. So what did we hear about an 18 game season? And then we can get into the international slate and what their plans are with that aspect. Yeah, so 18 games is gonna, like it has to be negotiated. It's not something that the NFL can kind of just unilaterally go in and make that change. And a lot of the stuff that has to be negotiated that'll be part of the next CBA has kind of been on hold while the union gets its shit together.

34:16And the union has been a mess for at least a year now. You know, they spent last season with an interim director. They went through this whole process of who is going to be our new permanent executive director. What did they do? They brought back the old player president who had resigned kind of after, you know, resigned in some bit of shame last year. A lot of members weren't super happy with him, but now J.C. Trotter is back. They reelected the same player president, Jalen Reeves-Maben, who is currently a free, I think he was a free agent last year as well. So the unit's kind of just running it back with some of the same leadership that they had before with now with J.C.

34:54Trotter and more, even more position of power. but so now that JC is formally back and is in charge of the union and now this is only about two weeks old so now they kind of can like reset and say okay what's the timeline now for these significant negotiations but when it comes to 18 games and my sense for a long time honestly since they went to 17 games which was what four five years ago now 18 games is an inevitability like the league wants it when the league, when there's something that the league really, really wants, it tends to get it. And that's how a lot of the owners speak about it. The folks in the league office don't necessarily love when, you know, somebody like Robert Kraft starts talking about 18 games and like when it happens, because there's a lot of steps that have to go there and there's a lot of negotiations and stuff along the way.

35:47But it does feel like it is something that is coming no matter what. The players obviously will have a lot of things that they want to negotiate as part of that? What are they going to get in return for agreeing to that 18th game? And that I think is more of like the part to be paying attention to over the next couple of seasons is what is the push and pull? I would be stunned if 18 games doesn't happen. And they're kind of doing this long-term planning in addition, you know, and part of that is an international expansion with the assumption that in the not too distant future, the schedule will be 18 regular season games and two preseason games.

36:26Yeah, a matter of when, not if, it feels like for sure, even though there are steps to take to get there. Current CBA is not set to expire until 2030. So that part is interesting, right? Because it's like, are the owners going to wait that long or is there going to be some way to get this? Yeah, I don't think they want to wait that long. I think they would like to start sooner than that. And now that the union at least has their leadership in place, they can kind of start that process. But everything was on hold for the last year because they couldn't start negotiations on a long-term CBA with an interim director while a union was such a mess.

37:04I mean, they could have. They probably could have smashed him even more than they usually do. Yeah, I know. I'm surprised they didn't just take advantage of that situation. Very unlike them. There had to be some reason why they didn't do that that works in their favor. Robert Kraft said he would like to see, as you mentioned, with the 18th game, a second bye week. So now we would be talking about a 20-week season. Whereas back in the day, it felt like you get to week 10, 11, all right, we're reaching the stretch run. Now it would be like, all right, you've reached the halfway point to week 10 of the NFL season.

37:35So again, it feels like a matter of when, not if, that 18th season gets added. In addition to that, the push for international games. Lindsay with the 49ers going to Australia to open the season against the Rams this year speculation about hey there's going to be one international game for every team every season just kind of what you were hearing or what you were observing on that front yeah I mean I think ultimately that's the goal they're trying to get into as many markets as they can and as the season expands as they make it more common that there will be games on different days. We're going to have at least one Wednesday game this year.

38:20The kickoff game is going to be on a Wednesday. It's been reported, not officially confirmed, but I think we all should just plan for there's going to be a Wednesday night before Thanksgiving. So that Thanksgiving week, there'll be a game on Wednesday. I believe three games on Thursday, a game on Friday. Christmas is a Friday this year so there's going to be a bunch of Friday games they kind of made this little tweak to the rules that games on Friday now is not considered a short week so that's going to allow for more of those games where they're not going to have to deal with the rules about how many short weeks you can have so yeah they're really expanding the calendar the days of the week that are available Fridays and Saturdays are off the table for a lot of the calendar because of the Sports Broadcasting Act and college football.

39:07But Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Friday, Fridays once we get into late December, Saturdays once we get into mid and late December, we're just going to be having football every day of the week and in all time zones and all parts of the world. That is really the NFL's dream. And as long as all of us keep watching it, they're going to keep doing it. So yeah, go ahead. It's honestly shocking that more of this hasn't happened yet. I mean, we've talked about it on this podcast for years where I'm like, for as greedy of a league as the NFL is, and even though they're doing so well, they want more. And there's the Mark Cuban quote from several years ago.

39:46It still is kind of shocking that if you just look at it from what their inventory is in terms of games, which are the, you know, that's the thing that drives the league and the interest and fantasy and gambling and all that and just individual team fandom, that they have that many, they're like the sport where you'll watch kind of any two teams. They're really the only sport left in, you know, in American sports where you're just like, yeah, I'll, I'll watch this, even though I don't have a rooting interest to have all that inventory sandwiched in two, primarily two windows on a Sunday, all at the same time where it's impossible to watch, you know, all the games at once.

40:23It actually is shocking to me that they haven't even gone further at this point. You mentioned the different days. And then I think about, you know, years ago where they did the, would do the Monday night double headers. Like I'm shocked that isn't a thing right now where they're just like one game on Monday is good, but two games on Monday would be better. That's another package we can sell. And Thursday night, like when's the Thursday night double header coming? That's coming at some point as well. So yeah, I just feel like they're going to look at all these windows and be like, why are we putting all our inventory into these two windows on a Sunday?

40:52Yeah. And they actually officially now, and as of April 1st, when we're sitting here recording, The ESPN and NFL Network merger is now official. Adam Schefter and Ian Rappaport, co-workers as of today. NFL Network as we knew it. Were they day drinking together at the pool or no? They weren't. I did see them, if you count coffee. I saw them walking out of the coffee shop together like this, strolling, strolling. And I was really kind of mad. I love both of those guys. And I was like, man, I needed my camera. Like that would have been the, you know, the cats and dogs. Like, look at our brave new world happening here.

41:27But so as part of that merger, those extra games that went to ESPN and were part of that doubleheader package, those are no longer going to exist. And I'm thrilled about that. I hated the Monday Night Doubleheader. One, because the games went super, super late. The late, you know, if you're on the East Coast, like, I don't know how you would possibly do it. I mean, I'm an old person who lives in the mountain time zone and I could not do a, I couldn't stay up for the end of those games. But I don't think a lot of fans liked them either because the split screen was really weird and you were feeling like you had to choose and it kind of reduced the impact of one of those games where Monday Night Football should feel special and it just did not in that double header package.

42:07So they're actively shopping that package of games right now to the streaming services. So those will kind of be redistributed and who is going to land those games and what windows are they going to be in? But yeah, I mean, there's going to be more windows there's going to be more places where we watch games. It's going to be coming. It's going to be even more complicated with all of the subscriptions that you have to access. If you want to watch the full slate of NFL football, because right last year you had to have a Peacock, Amazon, Netflix. Was somebody else? Was there any, but YouTube had a game, which YouTube you can get for free.

42:44Right. But like that's a lot of subscription services that you need to get to be able to watch the full slate of games unless you're in the, you know, your home, you're always going to be able to get your home market games. You know, like you're going to be able to see every single Eagles game. Yes. More windows, more networks, more places to watch, more logins, more times to remember your password. It's all coming in the NFL. All right. Last league-wide thing here, the international stuff, Lindsay. Kyle Shanahan does not sound happy to be going to Australia to open the season. I believe it's a, so this is a Thursday night game for East Coasters.

43:19It is a Friday morning game if you are in Australia and the 49ers have to take a 19 to 20 hour flight to go play the Los Angeles Rams. And I don't think that would be Kyle Shanahan's preference. It sounded like from his comments at the owners meetings. No, they're not happy about it. And they're not happy about it for a couple of reasons. One is the travel aspect of it. And just like this is, like it's one thing to go to London. And even if you're going from San Francisco to London, that's like a pretty, you know, that's a big commitment. It's a long flight. But to go to Australia, you said 18 to 19 hours, that's, I mean, it's different days.

43:56And then how long does it take to adjust your body clock, all of that stuff? So they have a lot of questions about the logistics of it. And, you know, the league is trying to get ahead of it and say, we're going to get them the best travel accommodations that you can imagine, the biggest planes, the most comfortable, you know, accommodations, all of the sports science stuff to help you handle all of this. The other reason they're pissed about it is because they're losing a trip to SoFi, which is essentially a home game for the Niners. Because when they go to Los Angeles, they go, you know, it's 60 to 75 % Niners fans at that stadium.

44:30So they're mad that they have to kind of go through this whole process to go to San Francisco and, or to go from San Francisco to Australia. And they kind of are losing a, you know, a one hour trip to LA where, you know, it's a pretty, pretty friendly environment for them. Yeah. Shanahan said, I don't see any pro. It's cool for the league to play globally. I think that's awesome. But as far as the team doing it, no, there's not much benefit to it. So Kyle Shanahan, fired up as always. I love, I love Kyle Shanahan. He is good for one like super grumpy. I don't have time for this shit. I would like to be day drinking in my like Euro style short shorts.

45:13Quip of the week. There you go. All right. He looked great. I will say. When we look at that team photo, the coach's photo, he looked like he was coming straight from like the South of France. So he was. He was. He eschewed the general uniform of just kind of the golf polo and he was going a little bit more stylish there. I noticed that in the photo as well. All right, those are a bunch of the league-wide topics that Lindsay Jones had covered during her trip to Phoenix. Let's take a break. We come back, we finish with some team-specific topics in the NFL right now. All right, we are back here on the Ringer NFL Show.

45:52All right, Lindsay, this first one is not necessarily owners meetings related, but a story dropped that is getting some buzz on ESPN today about Jalen Hurts from my friend Tim McManus and Jeremy Fowler. And it's about Jalen Hurts' role in some of the Eagles issues last year and really for the last several years where it says he pushed back on changes that would have diversified the offense. He's been reluctant with some of that stuff. He diverts from the game plan and changes play calls because he doesn't like some of the stuff being played. So this all comes obviously on the heels of the Eagles making a big offensive change going with Sean Mannion from the Green Bay Packers.

46:34I was joking. Like, if you would have said that, you know, end of last season, hey, the Eagles big fix for fixing their offense, they're going to get Sean Mannion. People would have been like, who is Sean? Wait, where is he coming from? Who is Sean Mannion? It's not necessarily Mike McDaniel or someone else. So my take on this, Lindsay, is that a lot of this stuff, I don't want to say a lot of this stuff, it was very thoroughly reported, but the criticisms of Jalen Hurts, I think were fair that he doesn't like to throw the ball in the middle of the field and he doesn't like to go under center and he doesn't like under center play action.

47:03The personality stuff, I mean, you could tell me if I'm wrong. I don't get that wrapped up in that because I feel like most NFL quarterbacks are pretty weird and have things like that about them. But the stuff with his preferences, I was like, yeah, that aligns with what I've watched with Jalen Hurts over the years. So my take was actually with the organization. And I liked that you were just at the owner's meetings and you get to see, all right, How are these different organizations viewed? And I feel like the Eagles want to be viewed and have been viewed. Strong organization, good culture, ownership to GM all the way down.

47:40But what does it say about the organization that no one could have these conversations with Jalen Hurts over the years? I know you don't prefer to do some of these things, but you know what? Our offense isn't very good right now and we need to make changes. We need to make drastic changes and we promise you, You're going to be good at them. It's going to make you better. Because a lot of the stuff you can't just implement in the middle of a season like you needed it. You know, you need a big overhaul. And it just feels like no one was able to get through to him over the years with some of this stuff.

48:09And maybe it was just that they were winning a lot of games. But that was one of the things that stuck out to me is that sometimes the Eagles, I feel like, want it both ways where they're like, oh, yeah, we're a model organization and we've got all these answers that no one else has answered. And it's like you've had three years of trying to get your quarterback to try something different and you've been unsuccessful doing it. Yeah. I mean, that was kind of what I took, I took away from that article too, was like, it wasn't entirely surprising to me, right? Like it, it kind of like confirmed what it felt like to watch the Eagles over the years.

48:40And it was, it was a bit of like the Brian Curtis, now they tell us, like we were just learning more about what was going on behind the scenes that helped inform something that we already knew that we had been watching. Um, but yeah, I think it just kind of peeled back a bit on the dysfunction that has been going on within that offense. And that's what happens when you have lots of turnover year after year after year with who is the voice and the headset. And then a lot of the questions that we've had too about like, what does Nick Sirianni do? What is his voice like in that room? Who is in charge?

49:08Who is dictating the identity and the message? And, you know, we kind of revealed a bit of the disconnect that goes on in that relationship. And yeah, I mean, I think Jalen Hurts needs to be better. I think that's pretty obvious when you've watched them over the course of a number of years. I mean, even before they started their Super Bowl run and they were, you know, one of the most fun offenses in the 2025 postseason. I'm trying to make sure I have my years right. But there was a lot of times during the 2024 regular season where it was like, I don't know about this. Right. This doesn't feel great.

49:43Right. And what is Jalen doing and what's the conversations like? And And yeah, but you just, you have all this turnover. You have a lot of different voices. You have somebody who, you know, look, he's a confident guy, right? He is also maybe not the most outgoing, charismatic player necessarily. Not one of the guys type quarterback. Yeah, yeah. So it's like, you got to have somebody who can get through to him. You got to have some better communication that's going on within that building. And then there's also a bit where I get where he's coming from too, where it's like, I just want you, I made it to do Super Bowls and I was the best quarterback in both of those Super Bowls against Patrick Mahomes.

50:21What else do you want me to do? So there's like a little proof of concept for him that like he can play well in these big stages, but clearly something hasn't been working on the other, you know, some of the other elements. And yeah, I mean, as you get further into your career and the stakes get a lot higher of how much you're getting paid and all this stuff, like I think they're definitely at a point where they have to get it right this year. They have to... What does Sean Mannion do to fix this? Does he have a different communication style that's going to work? Is Jalen Hurts going to enjoy what's in that offense?

50:57Is he going to... I don't think he's going to get rewired. I don't think he's going to suddenly become a different person. So, yeah, it was interesting. I liked reading some of those behind-the-scenes details, though, but it's definitely going to become, I think, one of the bigger off-season stories. They have a lot riding on Sean Mannion, a team trying to win the Super Bowl. Maybe they'll hit. Jeffrey Lurie was dropping names like, hey, we found Andy Reid at one time. We found Sean Payton at one time. It's like, man, you're putting a lot of pressure on this guy who's been a coach in the NFL for two years.

51:27So we'll see what that Eagles offense ends up looking like. Probably not until the games start next year, to be quite honest. All right, a couple other notes around the NFL. The Cleveland, what has happened with the Cleveland Browns, Lindsay? I mean, I just, every time I look up, there's another weird story with the Cleveland Browns. Is Deshaun Watson going to be in a quarterback competition now after we thought his career with the Browns was over? Are they going to draft Ty Simpson? They're not trading Miles Garrett, I guess. What is going on with the Cleveland Browns? I don't know, but it's confounding.

52:00So it had been a couple of years since I'd been at the owner's meetings. And one of the last times I was there, it was right after the Deshaun Watson trade. and Jimmy Haslam was kind of saying insane things about Deshaun Watson. A year ago at the owners meetings, he was talking about how that trade was a swing and a miss where it was finally like, yeah, we've been telling you this, that this was a really bad trade. We've been telling you it's a bad trade for a lot of other reasons, not just because Deshaun Watson has been bad at football and very injured. And they just finally came around to it.

52:28And now this year they're like, he's completely walking it back and they're talking about how he's going to be in the mix and maybe he could be their quarterback and maybe they could extend it. So what are you doing? What are you doing? And, you know, I kind of just keep coming back to like, they don't have to do this. Can somebody tell them that like they don't, that trade was four years ago. You don't have to keep like reinvesting and doubling down on something that clearly failed. We've seen multiple teams since then remove themselves from a bad contract, a bad trade. Look at what the Dolphins are doing right now and all of the dead money that they're taking on.

53:06The Broncos got themselves out of their Russell Wilson mistake. So I don't understand why the Browns keep feeling like they have to try to make this Deshaun Watson thing happen when it so clearly is not working and hasn't worked and is not going to work. And the longer they, the more they prolong this, the harder it is to kind of move into the future. So they're just constantly doing stuff that is baffling and reminds you of why bad teams and bad organizations stay bad year after year after year. Yeah, it's baffling. I don't see the vision. I don't see the plan. I don't know why they're holding on to Miles Garrett when Max Crosby got two first round picks at one time this off season.

53:49Why you don't say, hey, let's look ahead to the future with one of our only assets. And then this quarterback situation holding on to Deshaun Watson. I don't get that either. So we'll see if they make a move for Ty Simpson in the draft. There's been some buzz about that. We'll see if they just have this sad Shadour Sanders, Deshaun Watson quarterback competition and address quarterback next season. Who knows what the Cleveland Browns will do next. I am begging Myles Garrett to force a trade. Myles. He tried that, but then the money was too good and he chickened out last year. I was so mad. I've been mad at him for a year and I'm staying mad at him because you don't have to do this, buddy.

54:27You can go somewhere else. You don't have to be... I love Joe Thomas, but like you don't have to be Joe Thomas. Get out of there. You're still going to get paid. You'll be happier. Yeah. He couldn't stick to his guns. Yeah, he chickened out. I will say, did you see my favorite Cleveland Browns story from the owner's meetings? Oh no, what I missed. Can we talk about it? So did we, I mentioned real quickly the coach's photo. Yeah. There were 31 coaches in the photo. Who was missing from the team photo, the coach's photo? I assume Munkin. Munkin said no? No. Munkin didn't say no. Munkin wasn't there because he went to get his haircut because he wanted to look good for the team photo.

55:06After we've made fun of this man for the way the fit of his suit and kind of his like entire aesthetic, he was like, I am getting my haircut. And he thought he timed it out right at the Biltmore getting all cleaned up. But you know what? He missed the photo because he was busy getting his haircut for the photo. So if that is not your 2026 Cleveland Browns in a nutshell, I don't know what is. A good lesson. I can't even be the team part, all right. Got to get your times down. Got to use that Google Calendar. Todd, it's going to come in handy next year. He did make it to the day drinking. I did see him there.

55:40So maybe he hit the most important thing. I don't know. Yeah, his priorities. Maybe they were, his priorities were in order. All right. Thank you to Lindsey John. That was a lot of fun catching up on everything that happened at the owners meetings. I am Sheila Kapadia. Thank you to Christopher Sutton for producing. Thank you to Stefano Sanchez for video editing and additional production supervision by Conor Nevins and Arjuna Ramgopal. We'll be back next time on the Ringer NFL Show.

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