RoboBusiness 2026 recap

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0:39What's up, everybody? Welcome in episode 267 of the Robot Report podcast. I'm Steve Crow, executive editor of the Robot Report. Thank you, as always, folks, for tuning into the show. Hope everybody's having a great week. We've got the whole crew here today. Mike Oitzman's here, Gene Dimitri, Brianna Wessling also with us. How's everybody doing?

1:00Gene Demaitre: Good. Good. Yeah. We did it. Robo Business is behind us, the 20th anniversary show. It's in the can. It's put away. It's put to bed. How was the trip home for everyone, Gene? How'd you do? Yeah, not bad. I left the day after rather than taking the red eye, and so it was relatively smooth sailing. Nice, Brianna. Yeah, I got home Thursday after the show. It was easy flight back. Luckily, no delays or issues or anything like that. And now we're recovered from the show, feeling good, ready to get back to covering the industry. And Mike, I know you stayed an extra day, right? Yeah, I stayed Thursday to attend the RobOpsCon in Mountain View.

1:50It was a fun adventure. Yeah, we've known those guys for a while. How was the event?

1:59Gene Demaitre: Yeah, well, so Florian Pistoni and the crew at In Orbit, they're great hosts. It was a bit of a wet day. I think you guys were also traveling, Gene, on a little bit of a wet morning. So the traffic, I think, held up some folks. A few folks were late. But all in all, about 50 people showed up at the In Orbit office in Mountain View, including some friends like Oliver Mitchell. He was on the investor panel, so I caught up with him for a bit. He was also at RoboBusiness, so I'm running around. Anthony Jules from Robust AI and Taraj Parang from Serve Robotics, they all gave some great session presentations.

2:45Gene Demaitre: and then also met some new folks and caught up with some others that I've met at past events. And, you know, hey, the RobOps group continues to grow on membership and outreach. And there's even a new open source RobOps project underway now. So, you know, anyone who I think is, you know, building, scaling robots, you should probably go check them out. And I'll put a link for that RobOps project in the show notes. yeah you know so we're going to recap the show today we'll go through some of the robo business takeaways that we all had from individual sessions or some of the some of the conversations in the hallway you know these shows are always crazy to put together right and some people asked us oh you guys aren't doing an opening night reception anymore right on day zero before the show and we plan these shows so far out in advance and then things just come up, right?

3:40Like the 49ers having a game across the street. So for those who weren't at Robo Business, we hosted in Santa Clara right across the street from the San Francisco 49ers NFL Stadium. And they had a game Monday night against the Washington Commanders. And it was absolutely bonkers, right? Crazy, the traffic and the traffic patterns. And some of our colleagues went to the game and we decided to not go to the game but it was crazy to see you know we went out to dinner down in downtown San Jose and just the traffic patterns and the absolute nightmare it was for us to get back there so I think it was probably a wise decision on our part to not have that day zero welcome reception.

4:26Gene Demaitre: I don't think we we would never have gotten people in and out of there it was crazy I've never seen that much traffic I've never been that close to the arena you know near near a game at least an nfl game i've certainly been to hockey games yeah but uh but yeah it was just crazy trying to get home yeah and you know traffic's crazy here in boston around uh our our various professional sports teams right i mean it's hard when when they're so popular when it's the patriots or the red sox um but in in the case of this i couldn't believe that they had all these redirected traffic patterns, particularly around where we would happen to be staying.

5:05And I can't believe they have to do that for every single game. So to those of you who live in the Bay Area, my hat is off to you for putting up with that. But it's great to see the game. And we actually caught part of it in the sports bar after dinner. So everybody was happy, but it was incredible to just have to go in circles to get back to our hotel. Yeah, it got a little dicey there for the 49ers fans at the end. So we were a little, I think Gene and I were ready to bail in case the game went sideways on them. But again, thank you to, this again affected us in a lot of different ways, but thank you to all the exhibitors who worked with us, right?

5:49We had to change moving hours and show setup hours because of the game. So again, thank you to everybody who was flexible on that front. But Brianna, what'd you think of the game? it was really fun I mean the traffic was a lot but it was great to see the fans out I mean I live in Kansas so we're near Kansas City Chiefs territory so I'm certainly used to the very excitable football fans sort of taking over but it was really cool to see the whole city just be in red and be out for the team so I was glad we got to be there for that day Lots of excitement that night. And Brianna, you also went to the Women in Robotics lunch.

6:32We had Bhavna from Amazon Robotics. She also spoke on Jean's AI panel, but she went through her career a little bit with Joyce from Mass Robotics. Why don't you just give us the lowdown on that Women in Robotics lunch? So the Women in Robotics lunch, it's always a highlight of the show. So this year, Joyce Sidopoulos from Mass Robotics spoke to Bhavna Chandra Sheikhar from Amazon Robotics. She worked on the Vulcan robot. And it's always a nice part of the show, a little bit of a break from the more dense technical sessions that we have. they get more into Bhavna's background in the industry and how she's sort of navigated her career and sort of gone from different jobs and different focuses.

7:20So it's really interesting to see. I feel like careers in robotics are never straight lines. So it's fun to see how she's like pivoted when it's time to pivot. And when she finds something new, how she's gotten to pursue that. So it's a really nice break in the middle of the day and a nice chance to sort of get to know some people on a more personal level. But it was a great turnout. I think pretty full room and lots of conversation, a great chance to get to know some new people. So we'll have another Women in Robotics. This time it'll be a breakfast probably at the summit, but the tickets go fast.

7:59So definitely sign up for that one early. Awesome. So again, I think we want to share some of the takeaways from sessions, whether we hosted the sessions, whether we attended them and go roundtable style here. But Gene, maybe we'll start with you. What were some of your takeaways from things you heard or saw at the show? Yeah, you know, most of the sessions I popped my head into because I had a lot of meetings at Robo Business this year, but they were well attended. There was a lot of good audience Q &A and participation. I know I popped my head into Spencer Krause's session. But the one that I sat in on that was standing remotely was our friend George Steeler's session on Chinese robotics and the state of Chinese robotics as it is both a major global supplier but also a major competitor with the U.S.

8:52And so that was really informative. It's funny because I had first invited him to Rugal Business 10 years ago. And so I felt like we were covering sort of full circle that he was updating everyone on what's going on there. So that was really exciting. And then obviously the sessions that we moderated were interesting as well. But we can get into that later. Yeah, Brianna, how about you? Well, definitely not as many as I would have wanted to, but I did see some really good talks. I got to sit in on Field AI's session where they talked about how they're using their foundation models to sort of bridge the gap between these newer, more generalized generative models and the more specific models that robotics traditionally works within.

9:38I also thought Morgan Pope's closing keynote he's from Familiar Machines and Magic was really interesting I love hearing about his background and how they've really worked to build a unique robotic character without falling into that uncanny valley space I know he specifically said they didn't want to build a dog or a cat or something based on a specific animal but sort of their own creation. And then there were two back-to-back talks, one from George Steeler about China's physical AI ecosystem, and then a panel session, which was run by Eugene and included some people from Google, from UC San Diego, from Boston Dynamics, from Vecna, and they discussed reshoring.

10:27So that was a great back-to-back session of hearing the Chinese perspective and then sort of the American perspective of our reaction to what's happening in China. So really informative, super packed rooms. So if you missed it, there will be recordings going out and it's definitely worth listening to. Mike, I know, again, you hosted a bunch of things, but I know I saw you in the hall, I think shortly after your robots as a service panel and you were all jazzed up. So what was so exciting about that conversation.

11:00Gene Demaitre: Yeah, well, Steve, thanks for letting me pull that together. I know I pitched that to you more than a year ago, trying to pull this together. And I want to thank all the panelists who joined me on stage for all the sessions this week. But the RAS panel especially, the room was packed, standing room only for that one as well. And the idea of talking about best practices for RAS, I was able to hook Rick Falk from Locus on the concept at the Robotics Summit last spring. And he was super excited, came out for that panel. He was really the star of that show. And so I sort of crafted the rest of the panel around Rick.

11:47Gene Demaitre: But we were able to balance it with Alex from ASCAPE to talk about their pivot from RAS to CapEx. Folks were sort of intrigued about that. And then Bill from RoboWorks also delivered his view on helping folks with a delivery partner in a SaaS business. So the session was recorded, and I think there's a lot of great nuggets there that I'll try to pull a summary together sometime in the next couple of weeks so folks that weren't there can leverage Rick's knowledge and experience in RAS. So great, great session, I thought. But yeah, and for folks who were there, we did record all the sessions. So we're working through that fun process of how to get those uploaded onto the Internet and disperse those to those who are eligible to receive them.

12:37So just be patient. Give us some time. I've already received some emails. Again, it's going to take us a little bit of time.

12:41Gene Demaitre: And that's a good reminder about what's the conference ticket worth, right? So the fact that you can get that content, whether you can make it to all the sessions or not. Yeah. So I do want to dive into the keynotes. We all hosted a keynote. We've already talked about Morgan Pope's closing keynote and he's the best. So thanks again to Morgan for doing that. But we each hosted a keynote. I kicked off the show with a look ahead to the next 20 years, right? Trying to play into the theme of our show's 20th anniversary with Rodney and Brooks, Ken Goldberg and Jonathan Hurst. And maybe we'll just start with this one.

13:19I think you guys were in the room watching, but we talked, there's obviously so much to cover on that space. But my, I think, main takeaway, I have a couple. It sounds like there's a lot of talk around dexterous manipulation. None of those guys are confident that that stuff is anywhere near ready. Right. I think Rodney used an example of putting his hands into his like pants pockets and trying to manipulate things in there. and says no gripper is capable of doing that. Jonathan has been on the record of saying the five-fingered hands aren't ready for multiple reasons. Ken, the same thing. But we also did talk a little bit about AI, not on this panel.

14:00We talked a lot about it on other panels as well. But Rodney shared some great examples of how robust AI is using Agenta coding. I think the two examples he shared that I remember anyway were they were trying to transition from ROS1 to ROS2, and they had a team of engineers that were dedicated to this project. I think Rodney said it was going to take them about a year to make this transition for Carter, the AMR from Robust AI. But he said with all these new coding and AI techniques, I think he said it cut the time and the number of people down to maybe a matter of months, a couple of months to do it.

14:34And he also talked about upgrading the navigation and perception stack, and they were able to also do this. So Anthony Jules, Rodney's co-founder at Robust AI, also talked about it later on in a breakout session where he went through in depth. He couldn't give specific examples of the work that Robust AI, you know, he can't actually show the coding that they're producing for Robust AI, but he gave very specific examples of how they're doing this, how to set up the prompts, the amount of documentation and guidance frameworks that Robust is giving to these agents to help them produce these things.

15:16And they all felt like it's actually revolutionizing what they're doing, right? And maybe that's a little bit of a strong term to use, but the amount of time, energy, effort that they're able to save and producing these things is incredible. Ken gave some examples, too, about what Ambi Robotics is doing to find failure modes and try to overcome failures using AI techniques. But I think maybe, Gene, you can talk to this maybe a little bit, but I thought Ken kind of summed it up pretty well when he was saying, how does all of this stuff impact revenue for robotics companies, right? Because at the end of the day, that's what matters.

15:57And we talk a lot about this. Most robotics companies are not generating enough revenue to be independent companies. They're still so heavily reliant on investors and VC dollars. So again, it's great that all these AI technologies and techniques are coming to market, but how does it actually help these companies get to revenue quicker or generate more revenue, which is ultimately what stood out to me. Yeah, no, Steve, I thought that was a really interesting opening keynote. Both insofar as that obviously all of these speakers have been with us for most of the past 20 years, but they've also really highlighted that the way you think AI or humanoids are developing is not necessarily where you want them to develop.

16:45We have a lot of hype around some of those areas right now, and yet the fact that AI is making it faster or more productive to design and program robots. but for all the hype around ai and humanoids that we're hearing one of the things that i thought was interesting about that opening keynote and then my session later was that people are talking about how ai is really facilitating or accelerating the programming the design of robots and in my session on beyond the demo ai and production robotics we had speakers like vavana chandrashkar from Amazon Robotics, James Davidson from Teradyne, Ali Rajah from ABV Robotics, Ram Nivra Julu from Cambridge Consultants, and John Mattles from Cobot.

17:36And they talked about the next stage in that, right, is how is AI actually helping robots function out in the world? And there are some cases where it's not necessary. There are other cases where there is progress being made. One of the points that came up is that safety is increasingly a concern, whether it's the safe operation of the robot or cybersecurity or just robot human interaction. So there's a lot of areas that are really fertile for development right now. And we're seeing a maturation, but it's not – some things are happening really fast, Steve, like you said about the ability to create coding for robots.

18:18But there are other things that are more challenging, like manipulation is certainly one of those areas that it's made significant progress in the past year or so. But there's a lot of room for improvement. Yeah, Mike, a lot of that, you know, AI and deployment came up in your humanoid panel as well. You had agility, you had Aptronic, you had Persona, you had Psionic, right? A deal who comes in with the five-fingered hands. What were some takeaways from the humanoid panel?

18:46Gene Demaitre: Yeah, we do this panel, I think, now almost every event. Every show. Every show. And I tell you, it's still probably the most packed topic, right? And it's relevant because things keep changing, right? The pace of innovation that's happening in the humanoid sub-market is amazing. And having these gentlemen on stage to sort of bring us up to speed on what's happened the last six months. Of course, PROS updated us on everything going on in agility with the name change in the company, the pending IPO. But most importantly, they released a Digit 5. So I felt like I put him on the spot to talk to us about that.

19:27Gene Demaitre: And, you know, specifically the safety importance of Digit 5 and how it's designed. I thought it was really interesting his response about how Digit 5 is designed to fail safely, you know, to crumble down into a safe configuration when something happens. I thought that's probably one of the most innovative things that I've seen in this space in the last six months. So that was interesting. Of course, we had a chance to hear from Michael and update on what Persona is doing in the welding robotics space. I think they're doing something interesting there. And I'm starting to see a few other humanoids also converge on the welding opportunity.

20:08Gene Demaitre: So it seems like they're not going to be alone there. So that was cool. And, of course, Adil, always interesting with the psionic hand. It was funny. I met him, I met all the panelists before the session started and he walks up with his hand and then he had to go to the bathroom. So he just handed me the hand. He goes, here, hang on to this. So I'm outside of the, you know, the session waving the hand around. It was fun to have that in my hands for a few minutes and play with it. I can see why it's become a fixture of his life everywhere he goes. So that was, that was cool. So, you know, yeah, I think it's a great opportunity.

20:47Gene Demaitre: And as you said, always a good chance to catch up. Maybe we'll do it again in the springtime with a different set of panelists just to keep things up to date. Yeah, I'm sure we will. We'll try to get some new folks. But, you know, Prost mentioned a term. I don't know if I've heard this term before, but I think you asked the question, Mike, about, you know, just how much has it gotten easier for the locomotion when it comes to. Have we solved locomotion? That's what I asked. I said, have we solved? Yeah. Yeah. And he said there's a lot to do still. And he said loco manipulation, which is not a new term, right, based off what I'm looking at right now.

21:28But it's what are, you know, how can you walk and carry stuff at the same time, which is ultimately what all of these humanoids are trying to do. And it sounds like I was talking to Jonathan shortly after that keynote. And he was he was excited that Pross brought that up. But that seems to be and it makes sense, right? That seems to be where the biggest challenges remain is how is the balancing? How is the safety? How is all that stuff coming together when these robots are in transit from one place to the next?

22:00Gene Demaitre: And we got them to admit, all of them, that wheels still remains a possibility as a platform for certain applications. Yeah. So we'll see. We'll continue to follow that. That could be big, right? And I think Persona, do they have wheels already? Yes. So I know Ebtronic already does, right? Yeah. All those companies are considering a wheeled platform. Certainly not for shipborne traffic, but. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Brianna, how were your panels? Yeah, I got to do a panel with Aaron Edsinger from Hello Robot and Matt Anderson from A &K Robotics on navigating complicated indoor environments. So Hello Robot, they're working in the home.

22:47It really doesn't get more complicated than that. And NK Robotics are working in airports. So very complex, changing all the time, lots of things happening there. So they both had so much great expertise to share and so many great stories about what they've learned working with robots in the real world and how you build trust with people, especially they both work with sort of vulnerable populations. So they've had to work hard on building trust with those communities and getting them to rely on their robots. So it was a great session and there's a good turnout. So also Hello Robot was on the show floor with Stretch 4.

23:31So it was awesome to see the new version of Stretch in person. in. Awesome. You know, I think a couple other things, you know, what we try to do with these shows, you know, we certainly talk about these emerging, exciting technologies, and we will continue to do that, right? Humanoids, artificial intelligence, agenda coding, right, which we went through earlier. I think it is our responsibility to talk about those things and how they're coming to market, but I think what we all agree we're trying to do is how do we do these in a responsible way? And I think, you know, some, another big takeaway for me, and I don't want to ramble about this, but it's, it's not necessarily getting back to the basics, but like, I think we need to even hammer the basics home more, right?

24:20About everything I hear is the deployment gap and the reliability gap. And again, how do we get these robots, how do robotics companies get to generate more revenue and become a positive company on the financial side of things? And there's just so many challenges with this kind of stuff, right? And the more and more I see these experts posting on different social media platforms or talking with them, it's, you know, it's again, it's great that all these technologies are working in a controlled environment in a lab somewhere, but what happens when you're trying to deploy, you know, some AI technology in the vision stack on the floor at General Motors when they're trying to use 100 of these robots.

25:00It's a different ballgame, right? So I think to me, you know, hearing people at the show talk about these things in the hallway and, you know, be appreciative that we are at least trying to come at all of this stuff level-headed, I think just kind of hammers it home for me that we are doing the right thing and attacking it the right way. I always try to take a Waymo ride around RoboBusiness, and I took one on the way home this time. I left before you guys, and I was in the car with Faraz Yusuf from Eli Lilly. He's a robotics engineer over there. I'm not going to share specifics about what we talked about.

25:38As he doesn't know, he's being mentioned on this podcast. But, you know, it's just so it's just so apparent talking with all these people who are trying to or have deployed robots at scale, whether that's 100 robots or more, fewer than that in real world environments that demand, you know, not perfection. These things are never going to be perfect, but, you know, just such a high level of reliability. there's just so many basic things that still go wrong that people don't consider right when they're developing these products in the lab and uh you know i think so even we can do a better job at you know maybe have a track on integration challenges and it's just case studies about hey you know whether it's from an integrator standpoint maybe it's from the user standpoint like what does it actually take to get these things up and running you know 24 7 in the real world because again it's great to talk about all these ai technologies and humanoids and all that stuff but there's so much other stuff that goes into making these things actually work that we can't lose sight of that and and i hope that we did a good job on that but that that also stood out to me but were there any other takeaways that you guys wanted to share well steve i wanted to chime in here because uh having worked on with you on uh robo business for half of its lifespan right um people ask oh if you're uh what's the business side of things and it's not just becoming a startup and scaling it is how do you make sure that you're getting that value out of the robotics and automation and ai and all those things and um i think that's a good uh complement to the development that we focus on every day on the robot report and then the robotics summit in boston but there is an element there.

27:29It's like, as the industry matures, okay, we got to make sure that we're also having those candid conversations about what does it take to make robotics successful, as you said, in the real world, because there are a lot of areas that are ripe for automation, but where maybe adoption has lagged. And why is that? And what can be done to address that? You know, we track all the mobile robot providers and all the humanoid developers in the world. And as you said, very few of them are actually making profit at this point. But that doesn't mean that there's no potential. It just means that they might have solved some technical problems, but now they have to solve the harder problems of like, okay, how do we get these out into the world?

28:12And how do we make sure that people are getting their ROI from them? I think, and again, I hope this is accurate or fair to say, and it's not that building these robots is easy by any stretch of the imagination. I do think it's, is it becoming easier than it used to be to build robots, I think it is. I think it is. I think, again, all this coding that we've talked about on this show, maybe you don't necessarily need all sorts of degrees to be able to code robots going forward, maybe. But I don't think it's getting any easier to deploy them is maybe a much more succinct way of saying what I was trying to say before.

28:48And I think we need to focus more on that. It's great to build these things more quickly and go from ROS1 to ROS2 and upgrade the navigation stack, all the rest of it, but deploying them at scale in a reliable way, I don't think it's gotten any easier, despite we've been talking ease of use for the whole time I've been covering robotics. And I'm not sure the industry has done a great job of delivering on that. But I did want to share some news for people who have not heard. People who are at the show have certainly heard about this. We wrote about it a little bit and sent out some announcements about it, but after 20 years of RoboBusiness, we are renaming the show, drum roll, Mike added in the drum roll here in post.

29:33We are renaming it Robotics Summit West, right? So this is, again, not to go too deep inside baseball here, but it's initiative. We're taking really kind of across the company, Mike and Gene and Brianna, to condense, consolidate, make more efficient all the different brands that we have. So where are there synergies and we can better connect the dots? And the number of people that I've talked to and you guys have all talked to over the years who don't understand that it is the same group that produces the Robot Report, this podcast, the Robotic Summit in Boston and RoboBusiness, a lot of people don't connect those dots.

30:14So we're trying to make that more obvious. So we have renamed RoboBusiness to Robotics Summit West in our flagship show in Boston is going to be known as Robotics Summit Boston. Right. So, again, nothing other than that is really going to change. Right.

30:31Gene Demaitre: So we're still going to have a business track at Robotics Summit West. Yeah. Right. So Robotics Summit Boston is going to be all about building, designing and developing the robot. Right. So all the technologies and design techniques that go into making that possible and designing it for manufacturability and scale and all the rest of it. And Robotics Summit West is going to be about deploying it at scale, growing your business, scaling the business. And once those robots are in the field, what are we learning from the deployments? How are we constantly improving the robots, the whole data flywheel concept?

31:14And that's the difference of the two shows. So Robotic Summit Boston is about developing and designing them. Robotic Summit West is going to continue to be about deploying them, scaling them, and ultimately growing the business. So really nothing is changing other than tying the names together better, which I think is going to be a huge help. But if you do have any questions about any of this, obviously reach out to any one of us here and we can help answer any questions or concerns or whatever that you guys might have. But again, RoboBusiness is going to become Robotic Summit West. It's going to take place in October 2027 in Santa Clara, right, in Silicon Valley.

31:56So nothing is really changing there other than the name. And then again, we just put RoboBusiness to bed. Now we're heading towards Robotics Summit Boston. It's going to take place June 2nd and 3rd in Boston at the Heinz Convention Center. We're going to have over 5 ,000 people there, over 250 exhibitors. It's going to be a great, massive show. We're going to be co-located with our colleagues at Device Talks, which focuses on designing and developing medical device technologies, of which they talk a lot about surgical robotics. So we'll talk about that a lot in Boston as well. We've opened a call for speakers for Robotics Summit Boston, so we'll drop a link here in the show notes.

32:37but you can also go to robotics summit.com if you want to apply to be a speaker. If you want to attend, if you want to get involved as a sponsor, you know, now is the time to do that as we're actively you know, marketing and selling the show and making partnerships with all different types of groups on this show. But we have some great ideas in the works. We have our floor plan all set. So again, robotic summit Boston takes place June 2nd and 3rd in Boston, go to robotics summit.com. If you have any questions, You can also reach out to us here. And then RoboBusiness, which is now Robotics Summit West, is going to take place October 2027 out in Silicon Valley.

33:17So we'll have a lot more updates on both of these shows going forward. But I think this is an exciting time. Again, Gene, you said it. You and I have probably worked on half of these shows. Mike, you've been to a number of these shows going forward. So it's been a great 20 years. We had some pictures at the event looking back at things over the last 20 years. There's pictures on the website as well. But I think it's, what do you guys think? I think it's the right move to continue RoboBusiness for the next 20 years. I was joking with Rodney Brooks on stage, you know, 20 years from now, he'll be 91 years old.

33:50I'll be 61 years old. So, you know, we'll have to get back together. What would that be? RoboBusiness 2046, or sorry, Robotics West 2046. We'll have to get back together. You guys going to be there? And we'll be on the moon, right? I mean, that's what I'm expecting. Yeah, we'll be on the moon or Mars, whichever Elon can get us to first.

34:07Gene Demaitre: Or a space station. Or a space station. Yeah. So, again, a lot of exciting stuff. So, again, stay tuned for more updates on both Robotics Summit Boston and Robotics Summit West. But, again, thank you to everybody who came to the show last week. Really appreciate it. It was a great time. If you guys have any feedback on the show, for those who are there, I know we sent out an attendee survey. that would be a huge help if you guys could actually fill that out provide us with some feedback so we can figure out how we continue to improve both of our robotic summit events going forward so that we can be here for another 20 years and help the industry continue to grow so please fill that out or reach out if you don't want to do that just reach out to us and give us your honest feedback we'd really appreciate that but that's going to do it for episode 267 Thank you again to everybody for tuning into the show and who again attended the 20th anniversary and final edition of RoboBusiness last week.

35:07Thank you to Wybotic for sponsoring the podcast this month. Thank you to Ben Waters for being at RoboBusiness last week and helping us out on a couple of different panels. New episodes of the Robot Report podcast drop each week. You can find us anywhere you listen to your podcast. Please subscribe. Leave us a rating. Give us a review. This episode was produced and edited by Mike Oitzman. Our executive producer is Amanda Buhner. On behalf of Eugene Dimitri and Brianna Wessling, I'm Steve Crow. Thanks so much, folks. Great to see everybody last week. Thanks for listening, and we'll talk to you again soon.