Sheridan Smith: Comedy, Imposter Syndrome & Her Dream Role

16 Feb 2026 · 59 min · 27 chapters

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The Romesh Ranganathan Show: Episode Summary

Episode Title Sheridan Smith: Comedy, Imposter Syndrome & Her Dream Role

Episode Description In this episode, comedian and renowned actor Sheridan Smith joins Romesh Ranganathan for an engaging conversation. They explore her journey from her comedic roots to becoming a celebrated performer in both stage and screen. The discussion touches on imposter syndrome, character development, the West End show "Woman In Mind," and includes some light-hearted moments featuring hip-hop gifts and comedy impressions.

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Key Themes and Discussions

  1. Introduction and Early Career
  2. Romesh's Jealousy: Romesh expresses feelings of jealousy towards Sheridan’s success.
  3. Audition Stories: Sheridan shares anecdotes about her early auditions, including an amusing story related to the band Take That.
  1. Gift Exchange
  2. Romesh presents Sheridan with hip-hop accessories, highlighting their shared love for hip-hop, particularly 50 Cent.
  3. A humorous segment ensues where they attempt impressions of 50 Cent, showcasing their comedic chemistry.
  1. Sheridan's Acting Journey
  2. Transition from Comedy to Drama: Sheridan discusses her beginnings in comedy and her evolution into dramatic roles.
  3. Imposter Syndrome: She candidly talks about feeling like an imposter in the acting world, despite her accomplishments.
  4. Character Development: The challenges of playing complex characters in her latest role in "Woman In Mind" are discussed, emphasizing the emotional and psychological demands of the part.
  1. Self-Doubt and Mental Health
  2. Both Romesh and Sheridan share their experiences with self-doubt and mental health, particularly in the context of their careers.
  3. They discuss the pressure actors face and how they cope with anxiety and imposter syndrome.
  1. Theatre and Collaboration
  2. The duo reflects on their experiences working on the West End, including the importance of supporting each other's performances.
  3. They discuss the unique challenges of performing live theatre and the collaborative nature of the process.
  1. Future Aspirations
  2. Sheridan expresses her desire to explore different roles, including more dramatic characters and even musical performances.
  3. There’s a humorous exchange about potential future roles and the idea of playing unexpected characters.
  1. Audience Engagement
  2. Questions from Romesh's mum are addressed, adding a personal touch and exploring the lighter side of their conversation.
  3. The episode wraps up with a playful segment about potential future collaborations.

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Key Takeaways

  • Authenticity in Performance: Sheridan emphasizes the importance of being genuine in her roles and the struggles of finding a balance between personal and professional life.
  • Mental Health Awareness: Both hosts highlight the prevalence of imposter syndrome among performers, reinforcing the idea that many successful individuals share these feelings.
  • Community in Theatre: The camaraderie between actors and the collaborative spirit of theatre are celebrated, showing the value of support in the arts.

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Closing Remarks This episode of *The Romesh Ranganathan Show* blends humor with heartfelt discussions about the challenges of acting, personal growth, and the importance of mental health, making it a reflective and entertaining listen for fans of comedy and theatre.

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Chapters

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Introduction to Dungeons and Dragons

0:00 to 0:45

Learn about the basics of Dungeons and Dragons as a tabletop RPG.

“I played Dungeons and Dragons for the first time.”

Family Board Games and D&D Experience

0:46 to 2:17

Sheridan shares her family's experience with board games and Dungeons & Dragons.

“We are going to get into this, Sheridan, but let's just get this out of the way because this is a fucking nightmare.”

Winnie the Dog's Debut

3:38 to 4:26

Sheridan introduces her dog Winnie and shares amusing anecdotes.

“You must be so delighted to be seeing me again.”

Hip-Hop Conversations and Surprises

4:27 to 7:30

The hosts discuss hip-hop fandom and share gifts related to it.

“They're like the little gremlins, aren't they?”

Diving into 50 Cent's Impact

7:31 to 10:41

The conversation shifts to 50 Cent and his influence in hip-hop.

“It's going to take a long time to listen to, because it's like two hours long.”

Sheridan's Journey in Acting

10:42 to 14:02

Sheridan shares her unconventional path to acting without drama school.

“because it is, and Ben and Georgie have both come to see it, your performance is incredible.”

Sheridan's Journey to London

14:02 to 15:10

Learn about Sheridan's early career and the role of luck in her success.

“but then got all Sylvia Young kids from London.”

Imposter Syndrome in Acting

15:10 to 16:15

Explore how imposter syndrome affects actors and their confidence.

“that's how I got into it so that's why I'm forever grateful but yeah but I do wish I'd gone to drama school If I could have afforded it, I would have loved to.”

Navigating Rehearsals and Self-Doubt

16:15 to 18:00

Understand the challenges of rehearsals and dealing with self-doubt.

“might have been a benefit to you of not going to...”

Actors' Common Anxieties

18:00 to 19:38

Discuss the common anxieties actors face, including audience expectations.

“But I was getting really in my own head.”
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Sheridan's Thoughts on Stand-Up Comedy

19:38 to 21:06

Hear Sheridan's perspective on stand-up comedy and her fears about performing.

Romesh's Mum's Question

21:06 to 23:27

Romesh's mum asks Sheridan about her fears and aspirations.

“So the fact that we're going, and also now we're like a little theatre family.”

Romesh and Sheridan Discuss Performative Aspects

23:27 to 25:39

Explore the performative nature of stand-up and how Romesh found his style.

“Oh yeah, is there anything you want to do that you're frightened to do?”

The Joy of Comedy and Future Aspirations

25:39 to 28:00

Sheridan and Romesh reflect on the joy of comedy and their future goals.

“But yeah, definitely it was performative.”

Collaborative Writing Ideas

28:00 to 29:10

Discussion on the challenges and possibilities of writing with partners.

“but I just don't have the intelligence or any ideas.”

Choosing Quality Projects

29:10 to 31:00

Exploration of how actors choose their roles and the importance of quality.

“Because you've now got to the stage where you are now a mark of, some actors become like a stamp of quality.”

Desire for Diverse Roles

31:00 to 33:00

Sheridan shares her aspirations for different acting roles and genres.

“And this next job I'm doing in Australia, I've got to learn to ride a motorbike and I've combat training.”

Reality of Reality Shows

33:00 to 34:20

Discussion on the pressures and anxieties of participating in reality TV.

“Yeah, people were going, Sheridan could be playing in the lettuce.”

Resilience in the Industry

34:20 to 36:10

Sheridan reflects on resilience, mental health, and personal accountability.

“So they got to a point now where they take it so seriously that they'll sit down and they'll go, we'd quite like to talk without you if that's okay.”

Therapy Insights and Challenges

36:10 to 37:40

Insights on therapy experiences and the struggles with self-talk.

“Is that something that you feel like you've always had?”

Crafting a Role: The Anne Ming Experience

37:40 to 42:00

Sheridan discusses the preparation and transformation for her role as Anne Ming.

Embodiment of Real-Life Characters

42:00 to 43:30

Learn how Sheridan Smith approaches playing real people in her roles.

“And then, well, you know what it's like when you're filming.”

Challenges of Playing Emotional Roles

43:30 to 45:20

Explore the emotional challenges Sheridan faces in intense performances.

“It was hard to switch off at night on that one.”

Imposter Syndrome and Self-Doubt

45:20 to 47:20

Discussing how imposter syndrome affects performers and their self-perception.

“Everyone started doing it with their rulers and stuff.”

Lighthearted Humor in Acting

47:20 to 48:20

Sheridan shares her humorous approach to acting and performance.

“So then anything else is a lovely surprise.”

Game Time: Miss Quoted

48:20 to 54:30

A fun game where Sheridan guesses if quotes are hers, leading to entertaining banter.

“So this is a game where I've got some quotes for you.”

Exclusive Requests and Closing Remarks

54:30 to 55:30

The hosts request an exclusive from Sheridan while wrapping up the show.

“Ricky Gervais was very funny You totally went with it, didn't you?”
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0:28I played Dungeons and Dragons for the first time. Basically, you have one person that's the dungeon master. Keep going, keep going. Come on, it's really sexy. I think you need to explain that it's a tabletop RPG. Yes, it's a tabletop RPG. Fuck! Okay, let me just... I'm just going to get... We are going to get into this, Sheridan, but let's just get this out of the way because this is a fucking nightmare. Sometimes on a Sunday, we'll play board games with the kids, right? The problem with board games is you can only play them a finite amount of times and then it starts to get old. Often we'll be playing and then one of the kids will go, this is dead.

1:06Can we just end this? So then I was watching Stranger Things, which a lot of cool people watch, and they play Dungeons & Dragons in that. So Dungeons & Dragons, you have a dungeon master and then you have the other people and you can either be like a cleric or a wizard. I thought it was a computer game, so you're actually acting it out. It's an improv game in a lot of ways. Oh, stop it. It is. Hold on, hold on. You can be, yeah. No. So then. Who were you? I was the dungeon master. Oh, you was, oh, okay. Yeah. Who do you think you're talking to? Sorry. Just don't leave character vibes. Sorry. So it's like they've all sat around.

1:44They've chosen their characters. And then I go, you've walked into a cave.

1:53you've heard rumours that there's a dragon roaming around this cave what do you do next and then i go i want to use my light spell and i go roll the dice if you get 10 or above the light spell works if you get nine or below it doesn't and then you just sort of make up a thing oh my gosh and then i did impersonations of the goblins did you can you do one now so glad you said that okay this is a what are you doing in my cave like golem but yeah it was sort of like golem mark sheridan i've not even done it originally anyway it was fun that's lovely to do though with the family yeah really good the boys loved it oh they did the teenage boys You're so cool, Dad.

2:43I didn't think you could get cooler, but when you did the impression of the goblin, that's when it cemented it for me, that you're an absolute legend. Hi, I'm Sheridan Smith, and I am going to be on the Romesh Ranga Nathan Show with my G.

3:01It's the Romesh Ranga Nathan Show. Oh, shut up, Romesh. Sheridan, it's an honour to have you on the show Thank you for having me Thanks for joining us, I'm going to do your intro If you've got any issues with the intro, let me know My guest today is a two-time Olivier and BAFTA winning actor who has carved out a reputation as one of the most versatile and talented performers of our generation She's given great comedy turns in shows including Two Pints of Lager, The Royal Family, and Gavin and Stacey and acclaimed dramatic performances in productions like Mrs Biggs and I Fought the Law She's currently giving a virtuoso performance in Alan Inkbourne's Woman in Mind in London's West End, it's Sheridan Smearway!

3:44How are you? Good mate. Thanks for coming on. Thanks for having me. You must be so delighted to be seeing me again. I love it. We've hardly hung out at all. So this is Winnie right? This is Winnie. And Winnie's going to be with us for the whole interview. Yeah. How long have you had Winnie? The last few weeks. She was on Saturday Kitchen actually recently. She made a TV debut. Yeah. And then people moaned that she was at a table where we were eating. But anyway, this is Winnie. She's very cute. And, yeah, while I've been in London, she's my little... Not therapy dog. I mean, that sounds a bit weird.

4:15She just makes me laugh. Look at her little face. I know, she's so cute. The funniest dog I've ever seen. How big will she get? Oh, she's fast asleep. Not loads bigger, I don't think. But I've always wanted a griffling. Yeah. I've never heard of it until you told me. I know, they're just so funny. They're like the little gremlins, aren't they? Are they trainable? Yeah, she's clever, yeah. Really? Yeah. She goes on the mat already. Oh, that's good. Like you. I've got a mat in my dressing room. Yeah, and I go on the mat. Sheridan calls me a little Griffin.

4:47Good boy. You're going to go on the mat. Good boy, Rob. Okay, so Winnie's joining us for this. Now, these are the presents. Okay, so should I... Okay, basically, you're a massive hip-hop fan. I am? Yeah. Yeah. So these are some... I don't know what you're going to think of these. These are some hip-hop accessories. Stop it. So have a look and see what you think. Oh, stop it. I love it. Already? Yes, my G. Yes. Come on. That is so sick. Isn't it? I look like Honey G. Yeah. Oh, my God, it's getting better. I am going to look like Honey G. No offence to Honey G. And then what we were hoping is that you could spit a hot 16.

5:36I have got some... Oh, no, I could never do that on this. You do, actually. I know that we've given you... Oh, yeah. I've got to be honest, it is quite... Is it a good look? It is a good look, yeah. Does it suit me? Does it suit you? There it goes, actually. How is it? Can I just... What I would love is that if you turned up like that without any comment on it at all. I'll go to warm up like this tonight. Yeah. You look great. And here's your other one. Now, this one's a bit more. OK. Yeah. So this is. Do I keep this on while I'm getting this one? No, you don't. Keep it on while you're doing that.

6:17I'm not very good at writing. So this is based on conversations we've had. This is very nice of you, babe. I know. Well, wait till you see it. Oh.

6:31So that is a black mug. Okay, now, hold on. I'm like, where's the... No, no, but just wait. Have we got some hot water? Oh, okay, great. So this... I'm hoping this is going to work fairly quickly. Oh, it's going to be something rude, isn't it? It's not going to be rude, no, don't worry. Okay. You just can't... You can't pour it without it sounding pissy, can you?

6:58Yes, I love him! Yeah, there you go. It's a 50 cent mark. It's Vinny, yay! Do your 50 cent impression. It's the best impression I've ever seen. I can't do it now. Are you joking? Really big deal. Come on. You're a 50 cent fan? I am a massive 50 cent fan. We're big fans of 50 Cent. We're big fans of golden era hip-hop, aren't we? Yeah, massively. Yeah. So Doggy Style was my first favourite album, and then The Chronic by Dre. I'm not big on the new hip-hop. You obviously know everything, but all the old school stuff. I just sent you the new J. Cole album. Yeah, you did. Which is really good. It's going to take a long time to listen to, because it's like two hours long.

7:40But anyway, 50 Cent. Well, we started talking about 50 Cent because you got me into the Diddy documentary. You know what I mean? That sounds... Do you know what I mean?

7:54You were saying, you said to me, I know you're not sure about his music, but I think you'll be into his hobbies.

8:06I didn't. Is what you said. You said, but anyway, we're at the 50 Cent Tron. We were a bit, yeah, we were a bit like, we went all in, we were in rehearsals, weren't we, when it was coming out? Yeah. Was that right? Yeah, yeah, we were, yeah. I mean, he's so petty, though, 50, I mean, he's just not stopping. He's apparently making a new documentary, right? About who? Jay-Z, I think. About Jay-Z? Yeah. So I hear. So 50 Cent, so your impression is brilliant. You met him, right? Yeah. So I interviewed 50 Cent for the radio show. And his people said, come to the O2 dressing room. This isn't a great...

8:45Sheridan's really good. I do think it's really good. Well, you do it with your teeth. I'm really bigging it up now. You do like it. So anyway, we're talking about the, we're talking about the anniversary of Get Rich or Die Trying. Oh God, I actually feel anxious. It's like Dungeons and Dragons all over again. So anyway, so I said, oh, 50. Thanks a lot for the interview. And then the little Carl, the producer, was recording. This is for BBC Radio 2, by the way, this chat. So I go to my Get Rich or Die Trying, like massive album. You're the king of New York. how did it feel? And he said, well, you know, it was like, you feel like you got the best pussy.

9:25And everybody was trying to find out if the pussy's really as good as everybody's saying the pussy is. But luckily, I had some great pussy. That was what he said. You did it better than that when you did it. Sorry. I feel like you did like more of a clenched jaw. OK, let me try again. Wasn't that more generic American? You didn't do a lip, picked it up. I'm going to be honest with you, Shedda. I don't think this is my fault. I'm sorry. Not only did you big up, once I delivered it, sorry, once I delivered it, you went, you didn't. That felt like, you know. That was horrible. That wasn't, no. Do you know what it felt like?

10:00Do you know when your mum brings you out to like perform in front of the, you know when like your mum's got people around? When mum used to go to me, darling, darling, come do the impression of me when I'm at the shops. And then you do it and you go, oh, what shall I buy? No, no, do it with the hand gestures and everything. That's not funny the way you're doing it. Do it. That's not funny. Everybody's watching. Just do it properly. That's what you did to me. I'm not even telling what I just said. I'm sorry. It's all right. I don't think it was a good impression. It's very good. I felt so much pressure.

10:31But listen, I'm really good at it when people aren't watching. Okay. I just want to take a little bit of time to gas you up. I'm not gassing up. To actually say what I think about what you're like in Women In Mind. because it is, and Ben and Georgie have both come to see it, your performance is incredible. It's unbelievable. And what is, I mean, I think, and I'm not saying this as like a, I'm not just saying this to be nice, that show is your show and we're kind of, and all the other characters, we're trying to like help facilitate your character's story. What I think is remarkable about you in this play is the journey that your character goes through.

11:14that requires like so many different uh like tonal kind of an acting decisions like she's got to be funny she's got to be angry she's got to be cutting she's got to be vulnerable and then you take the audience to you know through a really like darkly funny kind of journey and it's it's kind of heartbreaking you do that and then seconds after you walk off stage you go that was all right wasn't it do you know what i mean it's amazing thank you the character of susan was that what drew you to to doing this because it is it's hot it's a hard part to play i know you make it look very easy but it is hard isn't it yeah might have said thank you but you're smashing it in this i think he's amazing isn't he you must be really proud of him i feel proud i didn't say i think that wasn't the direct feedback immediately after us I think I can.

12:03Yeah. Wasn't Sheridan brilliant? I definitely think it's brilliant. It's definitely more your play. But it's Ron's first, like, play. Yes, definitely his first. I remember us being so nervous on the first date, weren't we? Yeah. And we were petrified and it is like, you know, you smashed it. You're like the funny, you know, your character brings all the comedy on stage because otherwise it's too dark and too heavy, I think. But, yeah, no, it's a great, I mean, listen, it's a great role. And when they sent me the script, I was like, because at first I was like, what on earth is going on? Because it's so confusing, isn't it, the story a little bit with the two families and the fantasy family and the real family.

12:38But then I remember reading the ending and crying, just reading it on the train. And I kind of just kind of connected with it in some way, really. Now, you started in comedy, didn't you? Yeah, yeah. And you have got great comic chops. You know that. No, I just react to you. Is there anything you prefer, like drama or comedy, or have you just gone where the wind's taken you a little bit? Yeah, I didn't go to drama school or anything, so I've been very lucky the way I got into it. So what was your route into acting then? Because you didn't do drama school. I used to just do normal school, just a drama class.

13:10And that was the only thing I really liked and the only thing I did well in at school. And then there was like, do you know the National Youth Music Theatre? There's like a National Youth Theatre and a National Youth Music Theatre. My mum, she used to be, I mean, my mum's like a, I mean, they're a country and western duo, my mum and dad. That was their profession, so they love it all, you know what I mean? So they're quite sure, but they were, my dad's a person. But, yeah, so my mum's quite stagey, you know what I mean? So she took me to this audition, like, in Leeds, and you queue for hours, you know what I mean?

13:42And I got in, I was, like, one of the chorus at the back, and they just do it in school holidays. So you just do, but you're working with, I mean, it's all kids, but you're working with good directors and stuff, but just in school holidays. So I did Edinburgh Festival, things like that. And then a producer saw us doing Bugsy Malone a couple of years later and brought the production of it to the West End, but then got all Sylvia Young kids from London. But by then I was 16 and I played Tallulah when I was 14, and so they kept me in it. So I moved to London at 16. I don't even know if you're allowed to do that now.

14:14Isn't it 18? So I moved on to London from my village. I was like, oh, what's going on here? Yeah, and then literally lived in London. And then I was working on a burger valley in Doncaster, and I was going to go back. I did go back for a little bit, but an agent saw Bugs and Malone and took me on and then got me into the next job I auditioned for was at the Donmar Warehouse, this show called Into the Woods. And I just was so naive. I was in a dressing room with all that 12 women, and apparently I was like, what's your favourite film? Mine's for you, Willie. I mean they still remind me to this day of it and they still laugh about it so yeah basically I moved to London then I got that show and then somebody from that saw me in that and put me in Royal Family and it's just one of those things like I just was very lucky that you know one thing led to another to another to another so that's why I think in my head I'm always like shit I'm going to get found out I'm not properly trained and stuff but it's mainly luck that's how I got into it so that's why I'm forever grateful but yeah but I do wish I'd gone to drama school If I could have afforded it, I would have loved to.

15:18Why, though? What do you think you're lacking now? That'd be intelligence. But also, like, when people are... Like, I did head the garbler at the Old Vic, and when they rang me about it, I was like, I don't know. Like, I've never had an Ibsen. Like, you know, so... But that's all right, though, isn't it? It's all right, but then when I was doing it, I felt like I was just walking from furniture to furniture, and of course it went da-da-da-da, like, not really. And I was too scared to say, what the fuck am I going on about? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I shouldn't say that. but I think just that all adds to that imposter syndrome and like even during Shakespeare I was like then they're talking about I am a bit pentameter you've got to do this I'm like what is this now so I think that's always been like another anxiety but it's going now with age I'm like okay it doesn't matter if I don't know but I think there's something because there's a lot of you hear stories a couple of times from like actors like really you know actors that have made it into you know to high level saying that they think that drama school might knock that out you know some of them like drama school can knock that out of you.

16:14I mean, there's an argument that actually might have been a benefit to you of not going to... Because sometimes learning the rules and all of that and how you're supposed to approach something, a lot of what you've said today is like, you've gone with your gut and you just happen to be gifted with incredible instincts, do you know what I mean? And it's like a combination of being conscientious and just being prodigiously talented. That's kind of the sweet spot, do you know what I mean? It's enabled you to do what you do. I mean, yeah, I have spoke to a lot of actors who say that like or directors that say that when people audition they can go oh that's that drama school that's that you know yeah they do kind of build you up a certain way but but yeah i mean there's an argument for both isn't there but yeah um yeah but i'm grateful anyway either way so i started off more in sitcoms and and i love i do love comedy i think you can't really beat it but then it kind of naturally started i remember auditioning for mrs biggs that was kind of the first proper drama i did and then dramas have come from that but i think i do prefer comedy Or something like, I mean, this is great that you get to do a bit of theatre and also this is a bit of comedy and drama, I guess.

17:17But more funny, isn't it, the play, I guess. Do you know what? That's why I found it quite hard in rehearsals because it's like, you want to try and make it really nuanced and loads of different layers to where you don't want to just play it really boring. And I guess that in a weird way, those movement calls were helpful in that way because sometimes I'd be completely crying my eyes out. It was like, are you in a child work or something? And then they're like, right, that's lunch. And you're like, oh, make-up all done by face. I was like, what was that for? Just the Joe and the Juice staff going, I think Sharon is having a really hard time.

17:44I nearly had a breakdown myself, like the character. But no, but I guess because I've, and I have been there, I've had a breakdown before, so I was taking it really serious in rehearsals and even when we first opened and now I'm like, once it's set and you know, oh, actually, this is the journey that we go on, you can then not take it so seriously. But I was getting really in my own head. Remember, I kept chatting to GBT and like, how should I play Susan? I'm getting like, doubting all my choice, full of self-doubt um but then i think and then because it's always been played as well apparently like um like quite miss marbly like little old you know just yeah and we all and then there's no point in doing it we wanted to do our own version of what the hell then wanted to do our own version of it didn't we and put a stamp on it and i was then getting nervous like the alan eightbourne fans coming and expecting it to be done the same way but like i've got my tats out in it and it's like if you're going to do it you want to do it slightly different when a friend of mine came the other night who I haven't seen for months um and she was like crying laughing she said mate it's just like watching you in a bad mood so obviously but there was one point in rehearsal so I was like no this is wrong so I'd chat GBC's how other people had played it and then I came in and we had to run through and I played it like a real Vickers little wife like that and it just felt so flat yeah and then I was like I was crying afterwards going I can't find it getting really like and the director was like look just do it the way you're doing it they'll forgive you even though you've been a bit naughty in the character and she says some things doesn't she um she me but you know as the character um so yeah i think in the end i've managed to find this but i don't know but my mate said it was just basically just me so does it get like you talk about self-doubt a little bit yeah you or you mentioned it there but i know that when you have self-doubts actually it doesn't matter what anybody else says to you it has to be like how you feel about it but you feel that I mean I think a lot of people have that imposter syndrome don't they and I think like especially like we've had the conversations how you got into it and the way I got into it I think even though even if you've done it for ages it's like you've still got in the back of your head like oh I'm blagging this like you know I'm going to get found out or you're always like scared it's your last job but I think people find it mad hearing you say that really?

19:57I think so definitely like the idea that you think you're blagging it feels so you just can't believe it that you'd feel like that you know yeah you get it don't because you feel the same yeah it's like even like when people write lovely comments you always focus on the bad ones because it makes you go oh that's what i think about myself so yeah yeah thank you for confirming yeah it's weird it's like i've always had doubts about my 50 cent impression and i thought i just hope i'm not made to do it and i've just about developed enough confidence to do it in like with friends but the fear of doing it on sort of a something that might go out to the public it cripples me i'm sorry i was tired i was like a proud mom though yeah you were but i was like oh he's doing a list now i was like that's not good i sort of saw your face up going it's like my mum used to go on oh

20:56now we're going to Sundern and Glasgow how do you feel about that I'm excited you know because at the beginning we were like why are we it's just because it's just like two weeks like usually you take a show for like a full tour people are going the show's going on tour I know and it's two places I don't know how many places actually qualifies as a tour we're going to Sundern and Glasgow but I love that we're taking it somewhere do you know what I mean because I do think it's a completely different audience up north and a lot of people can't get down and pay trains and stay over and it's expensive, isn't it?

21:23So the fact that we're going, and also now we're like a little theatre family. We've bonded, haven't we, now? I feel like, I mean, you're probably ready to finish, but... I feel quite sad about it in a way. You wish it away at the beginning, don't you? We're all seeing each other all the time and you sort of allow yourself to think that's going to happen forever. You take it for granted, don't you? Yeah, and then we're almost at the point where we... I sort of leave the group and block everyone's numbers. It's sad, isn't it? I promise, left the sponsor group chat. Now, my mum's got a question for you, Sheridan.

21:55I love your mum. I wanted to meet you. I never got to meet you when she came. Oh, yeah. Well, she might come again, actually. Oh, okay. She loved you. Oh, my God. She was so good, wasn't she? What an actor. I don't know what this question is, so apologies. Hi, Sheridan. This is Romace's mum, Starstruck. I came to see you in the play. You are such a talented actor. Amazing. Romesh was very nervous to be in the play for the first time. I need to apologize for Romesh getting too close to you. I wonder if there's something you really love to do or try, but you are a bit scared to say it loud. I want to say this.

22:39You are such a beautiful lady. Have a wonderful day Love you so much Oh I love you What the fuck did she say What did she say I apologise for him getting too close to you I think she's in the play In the play when you do that scene It's the scene Why is she doing an official apology Like I'm a sex offender It is a creepy scene It's supposed to be. Like he's trying it on with her. How am I? What? I think she meant a real liar. How does she know that? I know, don't do it. That's not caused a scandal. What was the actual question though? Oh yeah, is there anything you want to do that you're frightened to do?

23:29Or nervous of doing? That you haven't tried yet? I mean, I'm nervous of everything. No, I mean, there's nothing that I want to do, I don't think. There's one thing that I've always said that I would never do is stand up because I don't want to. But that would be something you couldn't pay me enough money to get on a stage and do stand up. I think that's why I'm like in all of you. One of the reasons I'm in all of you because I think it's such a hard, such a skill to be able to go out. Like I even get nervous today because being myself. On here? Yeah, I'm nervous now. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, just anything I've got to be me.

24:03I'm like social anxiety. I get like I very rarely like do a lot of interviews. You know what I mean? but obviously it's you so I feel more relaxed with you. But you hide behind the character. So like the thought of being up there, do you have to like do it? Are you a version of Ron when you do it? Is it like acting in a way? So I actually, when I started doing panel shows and stand-up, I was a character. And actually, you know, a lot of people sort of say, part of the reason that a lot of people say I'm a grumpy comedian is because when I first started doing like Mock the Week and stuff like that, I didn't smile, I didn't laugh, I was really deadpan and people thought that was what I was trying, they thought that's what I was.

24:49Right. But the truth was I was nervous. Oh, really? And like, so I thought that's when I was at my funniest is when I just like keep it all really small and like don't react to anything. And so like the first, I think the first maybe, I reckon two to three years of me doing TV, I was like doing the panel shows and that. I was doing an act really and then I remember I remember like one day I think it's like an episode of Mark of the Week where I was just like I just felt like I'm just going to be myself on this and if I never get booked again then I'll live with that and that was the best decision I ever made and so then now I'd like to think that when I'm talking to you now say if I had a gig now after this it would be exactly the same I want to be my aim is to be completely the same off stage as I'm on stage I might be a bit more honest on stage because you don't have to be embarrassed about what you say on stage.

25:40But yeah, definitely it was performative. My stand-up was performative. I wouldn't laugh or anything on stage. And now I do. I laugh at people's reactions to stuff. I'm a laughy person. You are, yeah, yeah, yeah. But there's lots of people that have watched a lot of when I was early on and they go, God, Romesh never smiles, Romesh never laughs. And that's because they've seen that. But whereas now you kind of move beyond it. But I do think you do hide behind it. Behind something. Yeah, yeah. And what do you do if people heckle? All that just terrifying. It's like, honestly, it's making me go, I don't know.

26:11So I used to talk to the crowd quite a bit. Yeah. But now I'm like, I just do the show. But if somebody heckles, I think they've opened the door for you to say whatever you want. And do you have, like, comebacks? I would be so worried. You try and do it, like, in the app. I'd cry. You try and do it. Yeah, that's a good comeback. I'm on off the stage. They hate me. They do stop heckling if you do that. So I don't mean that's a bad strategy. But anyway. I'm not just saying this. you could do stand-up. Oh, I definitely couldn't. I definitely, honestly, it fills me with anxiety. Anything like that would be, or any like being myself.

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26:41But I don't know if I've answered your mum's question there. As far as like acting stuff, I just like want to keep working. So I just feel lucky all the time. Like, yes, I'll take that. Are you moving back into doing more comedy? I'd like to. The Next Job's Not. It's another drama. I'd love to do more comedy. I've enjoyed this because it's been such a lot. You know what I mean? I mean, I do think, I mean, I did the Christmas special, not Christmas, but yeah, the special of Gavin and Stacey. Yeah. But I could only do a scene because I was doing this other drama called I Fought the Law, and when they were recording it.

27:15So on a Sunday, I went from Newcastle to Cardiff to just do this one scene, but I was meant to be more of it. But it was brilliant to just get back on set with them all, and like, it's just a proper laugh. I mean, you know what it's like when you're having to do like crying stuff in dramas, like it's all a bit tense on set. Is it as tense the whole time on set? Not always. I mean, that one in particular was because it was a true story and I was playing a real person who'd gone through it. And she was watching you. And she's there. She came on set a lot and I got really close with her. And you feel like a responsibility to get it right.

27:46But with comedy, as soon as I stepped on that set, it was just like everyone was just crying and laughing. It was just really good vibes. And I thought, yeah, I've missed doing sitcoms, you know, like comedies. Have you ever thought about writing something? I wish I could. That would answer your mum. I would love to write or direct, but I just don't have the intelligence or any ideas. But I would love to. You do have ideas, though, don't you? But I just don't know where I'd start. I'm not academic, do you know what I mean? Yeah, but I don't think you need to be. I think you could do it. I mean, if you had a writing partner.

28:16Yeah. Do you know what I mean? I think that's what Ruth and James did. Ruth would sit on the laptop and they'd do scenes together and they'd come up with the ideas. I'd love to do that. But yeah, as far as sitting down writing something. You said about having an idea and then getting a writer to... Well, I think that's something you could do. But I don't know. If, like, I would... I think for you, if I was like, you know, I don't want to give you advice, but if there was somebody that was, like, I don't know, playing your doctor in something that you thought could be a writing partner, that somebody could...

28:46I'm doing a heartbeat. Just, you know, if that... I'm just putting it out there. That's, you know, that just randomly. Anybody that happens to be playing your doctor at the moment on the West End... I would in a heartbeat. You know I would. You're too busy. You're touring the world. No, no, we're doing it. We're doing it. We're doing it. You've heard it here. Clip it up. Okay. With regards to, I know you just said, like, I just want to stay busy. But how do you decide? Because you've now got to the stage where you are now a mark of, some actors become like a stamp of quality. Do you know what I mean?

29:24Where you go, if this person's in it, I know it'll be good. So how do you decide what you're going to do as your next thing? Well, yeah, I mean, I would literally say yes to everything. Would you really? Yeah, because I always think every job's my last. So I'm like, oh, my God, if anyone wants me, I'm like, yeah, thank you so much. Yeah, I'd do it for free. Whereas your agent's like bad copping it to go, no, we're not going to do that. Don't contact them directly. She says that to me all the time. I'm like, oh, I gave him my number. She's like, all right, can you just put the one to me? I'm like, you don't want to seem rude.

29:57So I agree to things all the time when she has to say no. But I hate that. But I literally am just like very grateful. But I guess she, your agent's there to guide you and kind of go, oh, I'm not sure if that would be right. But yeah, just, I mean, I don't know. I don't know. I'd love to do more. I'd love to do a musical again. I know I'm not, like, I've not done a musical for like, you know, like a Legally Blonde type vibe. I know it's not really your vibe, that type of thing. How dare you? Sorry. I mean, you're not really a show tunes person. I think I could play 50 Cent in something. 50 Cent in a documentary musical.

30:32Can you imagine? Oh, God. So wrong. But, yeah, not like the musicals where you just suddenly burst into song. I mean, I quite like a camp musical. Yeah, yeah. Like Legally Blonde was camp and fun. I mean, I did it for a year and a half. I could never do that now at 44. I'm too old. What? Because to have the stamina to do eight shows a week. You don't think you could do it? Not a year and a half, I don't think. Yeah. I mean, there's loads of dancing and all that. I mean, I'm a bit thin hurts now, you know? But I'd love to do something like that. I know there's like camp shows on Broadway that are coming over and stuff.

31:04So maybe I'd do something like that. But I don't really know. And this next job I'm doing in Australia, I've got to learn to ride a motorbike and I've combat training. I've got to beef up and stuff. So I like testing yourself and doing different things so that you're not always just like the mother of or, you know. So I feel very lucky though and grateful to be able to do a bit of theatre, a bit of comedy, a bit of drama, a bit of musicals, a bit of everything. But you don't have a thing where, like, you don't have a thing, one thing you haven't ticked off that you're thinking, when I retire, I want to have done this.

31:39You've sort of done all of that, have you? And you're just sort of trying to... Well, yeah, I think so. I mean, there's parts like I'd love to play like a bit more of a gangster. Yeah, that makes sense. Or a baddie. Like, I'm always kind of like a good person, you know what I mean? I've got ideas like, did you see David Tennant doing that, Des? Yeah. And he played a really like, you know, obviously a dark part. You see actors doing that. I've never really had the chance to do those type of roles. I mean, you probably send me on, I'll probably have a mental breakdown. But what a show though. But I don't know, something like that.

32:14But then again, I haven't got the ideas. And I love, you know, I'm a Dolly Parton fan, but I'm sure I haven't got the moves to play her. But there's loads of things that I'd love to do. What about a Dolly Parton tribute act? It is actually a serial killer. She kills people by suffocating with his hits.

32:32Let's do it. Just in the trailer, it's just you over the camera like this. Come to Dolly.

32:43There's a rumour that you're going to be playing Claudia Winkleman in the stage version of The Traitors. Are you aware of this? I've not heard that one. It does make me laugh the different rumours I hear, though. The ITV drama ones make me howl. There's all different memes that I'm going to play. I think at one point, what was the thing in lockdown with the lettuce? Remember the lettuce? Oh, Liz Truss. Yeah, people were going, Sheridan could be playing in the lettuce. I mean, like the most ridiculous things. I'm like, this is brilliant. The story of a controversial prime minister, the lettuce, starring Sheridan Smith.

33:16Just cuts to you going, I think I will outlast it. It's like this.

33:23That would be my latest impression. But yeah, no, I do hear these humans, but I haven't heard that one. I'd love to play Claudia. She's got fabulous hair. Yeah, she has. It's getting... Would you ever do Celebrity Traitors? No. Now, I love the show. I absolutely love it, but it goes against everything that I'm petrified of. I'm so like... Castles. Castles. Scotland. Scotland. Those are the big three, aren't you? Yeah, all those.

33:53I mean, like, I'm petrified of, like, and that person's like, what did they just say about me? Why did they just leave the room? You know what I mean? I'm quite heightened with anxiety. Yeah, it's like lab design, isn't it? Oh, mate, I would go on to be like, why are you, and I'd be crying, and if I was the show, I'd be like, it's me, I'm sorry, I can't lie. I think I would just be, I'd feel so bad in my room crying myself to sleep. I'd be shit, I'd be rubbish. You know, because what happened is, Did you watch the last series? Yeah. The non-celeb one, the latest one. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I watched that.

34:21So they got to a point now where they take it so seriously that they'll sit down and they'll go, we'd quite like to talk without you if that's okay. Do you know what I mean? They'll go, I'm having a private chat here. Yeah. And then you get up and the other person just goes, yeah, no worries. I couldn't do that. I couldn't do that. I've got something slated to my face. Yeah. Or try and go under the floorboards or something. They don't have floorboards in the cast. It's scary though, isn't it? but they are very, very like, no, I couldn't do it. I'd be so paranoid. And you do have to go to the room on your own.

34:50Like, no telly, no phone. No. No farming game for me. No. My ADHD got off the scale. Oh, yeah, yeah. You can take Sudoku's though, can't you, or something? Can you? I don't know. I'm not asked specifically. I don't know. Are you on the next series? No. Yeah, I've gone. Please cannot break Sudoku's. So you're not playing Claudia Wilcox. You can confirm that. But I would. Yeah. So if you want to ring me, I would play Claudia. There you go. You heard it here first. Now, you've been very resilient throughout your career. Is that something you've always had? Resilience? Yeah. Have I been resilient?

35:23I think so. You know, you've gone through it. I think it's fair to say you've gone through the mill. Yeah. And to be able to sort of, I think that whenever you've talked about it, you've always been very honest. And whenever you talk to me about, you know, talking about it, you know, just between us having chats about stuff, you've always been very open about it. about you know struggles and stuff like that and you've come back and you're you know you've managed to face those things tackle them and you know i say i'm about to use the word overcome overcome is difficult because overcome isn't really what you're doing you'll you'll still be we all still struggle with you know people often talk to me about well done for overcoming your mental health issues of the past but it's something that i'm still dealing with do you know what i mean yeah So you've overcome it and are going from strength to strength.

36:13Is that something that you feel like you've always had? Do you feel like a resilient person? I don't know. No, I don't think I am, really. I mean, as well, I've got to, like, you know, a lot of it was my own doing, you know what I mean? Like I was drinking too much. I was, you know, you've got to, I think as you get older, you take accountability for, like, you know, I mean, yeah, my dad was dying when I had the breakdown, but I was the one getting messed up. Do you know what I mean? So, but like you say, you never really overcome it. You just learn to deal with things. And that's why I wanted to do this play because it can be like a moment in time and then you can get through it.

36:47Like you have, you know, we've had amazing chats about mental health and stuff, haven't we? Yeah. And yeah, it's just always something that's there but you just become, you just get on with it, I guess. Yeah. I know. It's, I mean, I've said to you, I reckon I've tried. I don't think there's a type of therapy I haven't tried Really? I've tried everything Yeah Like I even did the I tried to I told you Did I say about the There was one where basically I went to I was like doing okay Like doing really well career wise But I just felt really low Yeah And it was cemented to me When I was on stage And the gig was going fine But in my head there was like a really vivid voice going you don't these people hate you everybody off stage hates you this is gonna be over soon when everyone finds out and all of this it's like really clear voice my voice saying this to me in my head and so I went to I'm laughing about it's actually really I went to I went to a therapist and he analyzed everything and he's and he gave me a questionnaire and he asked me those of questions he said you are clinically depressed right he said you've got all the barrel the hallmarks of being clinically depressed and then he said to me one of your uh problems is that you're really horrible to yourself like the way you talk to yourself in your head is really horrible and he said and and what you've got to think about is if somebody else had done the things that you'd done if a mate of yours was telling you what they'd done that day and they'd done what you'd done how would you talk to them you wouldn't talk to them like that and i said no that's true and then he said to me so i want you to i told him a thing about how i thought i'd been like a real prick in this situation he said i want you to imagine that your fret that you are sat there and you are talking and said then i had to sort of go you're a nice guy you're just trying your best you're just like you you didn't realize it was gonna go like that you're just like a well intention and i understood why he was getting me to it it felt like he said to me could you get your cock and balls out please and then could you windmill for the next 20 minutes that that will help you with your depression that's how exposing it felt yeah i mean but it is true i mean like because you when we chat you give amazing advice but and and i can i and i can't hear but it is really hard to turn it inside you know so many times i've said so because obviously like when you're doing a new thing you're anxious about it yeah and then i am so good at telling people how they should be i am the master at telling people oh well i think you should look at it like this and you should balance it out like this and that's not on you that's other people don't and then i go to the my dressing why do i feel so sad oh babe it's bad though it's so bad i might try that that that's a good idea that the therapist did yeah well yeah but it still won't sit will it did you take it from there and do it in everyday life.

39:51That was really good there. No, because I don't want people seeing me do that. No, but in your head. In my head. I do sometimes. I do sometimes. I have managed to. Actually, this is good. I should tell the successful side of this. Yeah. I've lost the voice. Like, I don't have that person, that thing talking to me. Yeah. And I've managed to train myself to be kinder to myself. That's brilliant. But you have to remind yourself all the time. Do you know what I mean? You meditate. Don't you tell me about, I'm going to try and do a bit of the meditation that you've got really big bang into it, haven't you?

40:22I'm bang into it. I know. I'm going to start doing that. We can do it together. Should we do it for the rest of this app? Will you put it all in? No, I'm really into it. No, yeah. I'm a big fan. But it's good to just switch up. I mean, at the minute I'm starting, so my head just goes like, you have to ignore all the noise, don't you? And just try and. Yeah, but also then the other problem I've got is I stop reviewing how I'm doing during the meditation. because you're supposed to completely clear your mind. And then I'd be sat there like this going, okay, you've cleared your mind. You're doing really well at this.

40:52I think you're meditating now. I think you might be meditating. I think your mind's completely empty. Well done. This cushion's not as thick as it could be.

41:03It takes time, doesn't it? Now, last year you played Anne Ming, and we've mentioned it in I Fought the Law. Yeah. And it was one of the best performances of your career. Did you know, because basically anything you read about that and you read about her talking about it and you read about anybody's responses to it, it was an incredible performance. How the hell did you do it? Do you know what? It's not like, it's going to sound really wanky, but it's not like a choice or anything. So when I went to, I'd been watching her and listening to her in my ears and watching all the footage and all the documentaries about her.

41:37And then I went to the wig fitting and they did all the prosthetics because I had to age from 43 to late 60s. And of course you don't shoot any of it in sequence. So I'd have different size, different ages, bless her. So one minute I'd be 43, then I'd be 65, then back to 40 something. And it was just like crazy filming. Not in the same day. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So you don't, you never like you, you only hear it all the way through at the read through. And then, well, you know what it's like when you're filming. So I was playing different ages of her, but my mate, it was my mate who said it. She was like, you're walking different.

42:10I don't know. I suddenly had this like funny walk when I had all the stuff on and I was like, I'm not. She was like, mate, you are, you're doing something. And then my knees started hurting. People would bring me chairs and I'd be like, I'm 44, I'm all right. Like I lost all myself in this kind of time. Only when I was doing the scenes and stuff. I'm not like method or anything like that. It's not like a choice that I'm going to go, oh, I'm going to do like a walk. But I think when you're just watching and you so want to be that person and do their story justice, especially after everything she's been through.

42:37I mean, when I played Scylla, that was different because she's so known I had to really kind of perfect the voice and had singing lessons and all that to sound like it. But with Anne, I just try, and with any real-life character, I try and just kind of embody them a bit, I guess. Yeah. Because I just feel, I do love playing real-life people because I think it's such an honour that you're telling their story. And I always, you know, like me and Anne have friends, she came to stay with me just before I started to play. And all the people I've played in the past, I'm friends with either with their families if they've passed away or I'm still friends with them.

43:09because I think, you know, you don't just use them for the role. And then walk away from it. And then walk away. You feel like you've been let into the family and their life and what they've been through and you're reliving it. Obviously, it's that much of what they've actually been through, but you take a little bit of it on. But that one was like the hardest one I've done because it was, you know, she's constantly in a state of anxiety and crying and grief. It was hard to switch off at night on that one. Yeah. So you were taking that home? Well, I was just, and also I was away on my own. and yeah, I was.

43:39I think I did live and breathe it maybe a bit too much, but I really wanted it to be good for her and so I'm just relieved that her story's out there now. But it was a tough shoot, that one. Probably the toughest. And then when did you realise that you'd absolutely smashed it? I don't know. I don't ever think like that. That's the weird thing. My agent was like, oh, you must be thrilled. I was like, well, I'm pleased for her, but because you've tortured yourself for that bit of time, it's like, oh, brilliant, that's great. But I mean, of course it's great because it's like us, we were saying about reviews.

44:06you do there's a bit of you going what if it's absolute like you put yourself through the ringer and it and then you're gone so it's not like i'm being like oh i don't care about that but i don't know i didn't really i was grateful that it was taken so well yeah do you know what i mean if it had been panned and you put yourself through the ringer but also more so for her like she's winning all these amazing awards for like her bravery and fighting the law um and that means more to me do you think that the that you're i think you're slightly unique in terms of that you'll do a performance like that.

44:35And then the way you talk about it is so down to it. And like, you are able to like, and again, you know, I don't want to embarrass you with praise here, but like your, your, your performances are so incredible. But then when you, when you're spoken to about it afterwards, you could, basically you could be a lot wankier than you are. Do you know what I mean? Like, because you're, you're doing an incredible performance, but then when, when you're like in interviews, you always say like down to earth and just very kind of blazer. I just tried to do it. And then like, I was, you know, You know, that's quite unusual, isn't it?

45:07I don't know. I don't know if it is it. I think so. I mean, I guess I didn't go to drama school and stuff, so I don't have... I remember when we sat down on the play and it was like something about... What did they call it? They put lines in the script. Yeah. What was it called? Secret... No, it was called something... It was some sort of official drama. Yeah, like a drama school. Everyone started doing it with their rulers and stuff. Everybody was ruling off the script. And I had to Google it and I'm like, what is that? It's only me and you're not doing it. And then I started pretending like...

45:34Well, you decided to Google what is that. I just thought, oh, I should probably bring a ruler.

45:40That's my response to that. Don't find out what it is, but just don't look like a dick and not have a ruler. As long as you fit in, it doesn't matter if you don't actually know what the fuck's going on. That's my approach to things. Such a people pleaser. You've got full pencil case the next day. Hi, guys. Mike, I don't know if you've noticed, I'm doing the ruling for the, what are they called? What are we... We've forgotten what it's called. Everything was like an event or something. Yeah, event. It might be an event. It was called something... I wish Tim was here. But apparently they do it at drama schools and stuff like that.

46:13So I don't really know... And Tim tells me a lot how they did a lot of method stuff and they'd all be on the floor crying and remembering trauma and stuff like that, which I guess kind of that movement thing was trying to make us do, I guess. Yeah. Well, now it's actually, ironically, it's provided a trauma for me to look back on. Same. I did one day I couldn't stop crying so much I was like wow I'm more fucked up than I realised I was like holding South like an inner child I was like stop this is horrible this is not good I can turn it on on stage we don't have to go to this dark place but so I don't know maybe I don't know whether actors have like ways of doing things and then they get I don't know I don't know that's another thing I don't really know what I'm doing I do have a go and that's why I always think I'm very lucky.

47:00I've never lost that mentality because I still don't really know what I'm doing. I'm very hit and miss. I can do jobs where I'm shit. And like that one I felt, you know, I'm always thinking I'm rubbish. But we were talking about that. I always am a bit glass off empty and a bit, and people see it as like quite negative. Like what I always think, I'm always prepared for the worst. I catastrophize. So then anything else is a lovely surprise. It's a bonus, yeah, yeah. But that's probably not a good way to be. I should maybe be a little bit more self-believing or whatever. Yeah, but then I think like the part of me that gets frightened about that is that when I'm trying to like therapize myself or try and like read about how to get my mental state stable, then I start to get worried about what if it's like, what if it's my mental state that's making me be able to do this job?

47:46Yeah, I mean, I'll come on stage and I go, I mean, everything's just great, isn't it? You know, when you're standing in the queue at Greggs and the person in front of you is taking ages to order? That's fine. Maybe they're just not sure what they want. And, you know, live and let live. That's the last tour I ever do. Yeah, you can't be that lovely. Let's play. We've got a game for you now, Sheridan. Oh, wicked. Come on. It's called Miss Quoted.

48:23It's misquoted. So this is a game where I've got some quotes for you. Okay. And you've just got to tell me whether you think you said them or not. Me? Mm-hmm. I'll be shit at this. And some of them... Was it a bummer one in there? No. Okay. No, okay. Just to see how we go. Okay. And it leads to some light chat and content. Lovely. Okay, here's your first one. Right. At one point, I had 16 foster dogs. That's an addictive personality. isn't it? I did say that. You did say that. The Times style made 2024. Yeah. God, I'm so honest. Really honest. When did you have 16 foster dogs? Oh, I just not long after my mental breakdown I was moved to the countryside away from the whole thing and yeah just had 16 dogs like donkeys horses pigs.

49:15That's a by the way a big green flag that. It's a green flag? Yeah, of course it is. I think it's a big red flag that you're like crazy and all those animals and stuff. It's lovely. I did love it. I mean, I don't want to do that eventually again. Do you think you'll set up a little sanctuary farm? I would love that. I always wanted to have an animal sanctuary. I was obsessed with dogs when I was little. And my mum would never let me have one, so I used to take the neighbours' dogs. We were allowed a stray, if we ever found a stray, so I'd take their collars off. You were allowed strays? Yeah, if we ever found a stray, we'd keep it, but it'd never be out a couple of years.

49:44My mum wouldn't let me buy one, so obviously we didn't have the money. So I'd go and get the dogs from the neighbours' gardens and take the collars off. And pretend they were straight. I can't believe I'm actually saying this. And pretend they were straight and then she'd be like, no, that's Snowy for number 22. Take her back. Where's the collar? It's in my bed, Sanchez or whatever. So that's why I... But not the best hiding place if you don't mind Sanchez. No, no, no. Not very good. But anyway, so I've always white animals. And one day I would like to just be that... Be an animal person. ...batty actress in the country with loads of animals.

50:10That would be so good. Okay, here's your next one. So we're done. Okay. You won for one so far. Romesh is trying really hard, bless him, and that keeps spirits up. I didn't say that. You said it. No, I didn't say that. No, you didn't. You said part of it to... I didn't say bless him. No, you didn't say any of that. You said he keeps the spirits up. Yes, definitely that. Talking about Ramesh in rehearsals for the play. This morning, December 25th. You were on it with me. I was, yeah. Not that big a test for me. Okay, here's your next one. Okay. You're two for two so far. Congrats. Come on. tart with a heart is tart with a heart could i've said that tart with a heart is what i often play yes i said that yeah you said it in an interview with britbox tv probably can't say that anymore yeah discussing our british drama has heart and not as much gloss as us tv followed up followed up with i can't say that No, really.

51:17This is why I don't do interviews anymore. I don't do any interviews anymore unless it's necessary. Apart from this one, because we're mates. Would you like to do more US stuff, do you think? I mean, I think if you do something like we were talking about on Netflix and it comes to you, then naturally, then yeah, I would love to. Say, for example, I don't know, if somebody that's playing your doctor and you came up with something that would be suitable for a streamer. Perfect. That would be amazing, wouldn't it? That would be amazing. That would be great. I'm just saying as an example. Okay. Okay, well done.

51:51Yeah. Three for three. Okay. I'm terrified of what I said next. Here's your next one. I could never say, give me a tear stick and I'll pretend to cry. I have to feel it. Oh, for God's sake, I'm such a wanker. I hate myself. Did you say that? Yes, I said that. I know I did. I don't think that's a wanker thing. The whole drama school, I cry for real like, shut up, Sheridan. No, what do you mean? Because it's a bit embarrassing. I mean, it's not really a skill that I can just cry on cue. It's childhood trauma, babes. But I'm always going like, yeah, don't you do tears? Yeah, that's why you're fucked up, babes.

52:23You've actually tricked your body into reliving trauma every fucking part.

52:32Use a fucking tear stick. Don't go there. Stop going to the dark place. Anyway, sorry.

52:41Okay, here's... We've got two more, actually. Six of us shared a flat and I lived mainly on jam sandwiches and resentment. Resentment, I didn't say that. Well done! The jam sandwiches, I definitely did. That's the only word we changed. Six of us shared a flat and I lived mainly on jam sandwiches and giggles. Yeah. The Daily Telegraph, 2010. Oh, my God. Sheridan talking about when she was first in London doing Bugsy Malone. Yeah, that's when I moved down, yeah. Okay, here's your last one. You've done very, very well. Thank you. How the hell does a baby's head come out of something so small? Is that in a role?

53:15I've said that in a role. As Janet, two pints. You have absolutely... Holy shit! That is incredible. But you went to that so quickly. Well done. I couldn't go to a line in the play that quickly that we're currently doing. Amazing. Well done. Thank you. Give it up for Sheridan. That was great. Great game, great game, great game, great game, great game. Okay. Hey, baby, are you awake? She's up. Sheridan, it's been an absolute pleasure to have you on the podcast. We've loved it. We've got one more thing to ask you. Before I do, I do want to say, and I've said this to you off camera, but I want to say this to you on camera, you are one of our great, very great actors, and I was a big fan of you before we did this play, but you're even better off stage than you're on stage.

54:04it's wonderful to chat to you so thank you so much for coming on thank you for having me thanks for coming on now we do you have anything basically we're trying to look for something like an exclusive we ask everybody I'm going to be honest with you it's not gone great so far has anybody actually given us an exclusive Jack Whitehall said he did Mushrooms and Mary Berry but he made that up Ricky Gervais was very funny You totally went with it, didn't you? That was embarrassing. You were like, wow. That was a great clip for Ricky. Great clip for not so good me. Great for Ricky, not for Romy. It's what they're saying online about that clip.

54:47Oh, God. I mean, I could tell you. I'll probably tell you in the dressing room. What's an exclusive? Can you get me a partner? Can I get you a partner? Is this an exclusive? Maybe you could just get me like a partner. Yeah, that's an exclusive. Yeah, there you go. No, no, don't. That does sound like... Anybody... No, no, don't. Because he's going to sound really desperate. No, what we'll do is... I was desperate, though. No, she's sick of being single. No, but I've got... Can you do me a favour? Can you put... I'll give it to you. Can you put Sheridan's number on the bottom of this? So... Oh, I've got Rom, you're like the new Cilla Black.

55:18Blind Dave with Rom. No, look, please, everybody, give it up for Sheridan Smith! Thank you. Thank you so much for watching this episode of The Romish Ranganathan Show. I've been told that some of you are watching this, enjoying it, wallowing in it, but you still haven't subscribed. That's mad behaviour. You're going to miss episodes. Very silly. So follow and subscribe to the Romesh Ranganathan show on YouTube, Spotify, Apple, or wherever you get your podcasts. We drop new episodes every Monday and Thursday. On Monday, I'm here with amazing guests talking about their career, what they're up to, having a laugh with them.

55:53And then on Thursdays, I'm joined by my mum, widely regarded as the audience's favourite Ranganathan. And we answer your questions, your stories, and your family dilemmas. So I'll see you on Thursday when I'm back here with my mum, Shandy. Send your questions and stories to podcast at rangaby.com. Voice note or text on 07731 623 355. We genuinely love hearing from you. And there's a good chance you'll hear yourself on the show. See you next time. Oh, shut up, Romesh.

From the publisher

From comedy beginnings to renowned actor and West End star, Sheridan Smith joins Romesh for a wide-ranging chat about confidence, acting and carving out a career that spans stage and screen.

They talk about imposter syndrome, developing characters and working together on the West End show Woman In Mind. Plus, a hip hop gift and a rather disappointing 50 Cent impression from Romesh.

A Ranga Bee Production in partnership with Listen.

00:00 Intro
00:32 Romesh Admits Being Jealous
02:30 The Audition for Take That
05:33 Gifts
08:50 Mark Owen's Dream Trip to Graceland
10:02 "Heimscheißer"
12:40 Take That's Circus Tour
20:00 Take That's Early Career Regrets
21:22 The Take That Annual Fact File
24:53 Gary Barlow's Star Trek Fandom
27:33 If Not Music, Then What?
32:03 Take That's Favourite Films
33:42 Netflix Documentary
37:17 The Pressures of Songwriting
40:04 Howard Donald on His Role in the Band
42:50 The Most Unusual Present from a Fan
44:37 The 90s
48:47 Misquoted: "Beards Can Get a Bit Sweaty"
53:32 "We Weren't a Boy Band"
57:10 Future Ambitions
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