In short
Marlon and Sean Wayans promote Scary Movie (25 years after the originals), argue that comedy is hard and under-credited, discuss parody as the toughest genre, and debate “woke”/cancel culture and critics vs audience laughter. They also share behind-the-scenes stories from Living Colour and White Chicks, including how family collaboration works and how they build jokes.
Guests
Marlon Wayans (comedian, actor, writer; created/starred in Scary Movie, White Chicks, Little Man; part of the Wayans comedy dynasty; long-running sketch/parody background). Sean Wayans (comedian/actor/writer; same credits; also discusses stand-up and touring; co-creator/star of the franchise revivals).
Key claims
People are “hungry to laugh” again; out-and-out comedy is rare in theaters; parody requires nonstop joke density and is hardest to write; critics’ Rotten Tomatoes scores don’t reflect audience demand; cancel culture is overstated compared to live heckling; they won’t “tarnish” Scary Movie by returning because they’re just trying to entertain.
Notable examples
Trailer applause for Scary Movie; Rotten Tomatoes numbers cited (White Chicks ~17, Honey House 6, Scary Movie 1 ~24, Scary Movie 2 ~20); Living Colour’s Super Bowl halftime impact leading to later spectacle; White Chicks makeup discomfort; “The Wrong Missy” and “Where the Millers” as recent theater laughs; Bill Burr’s “no means no” bit that initially lost the room then recovered.
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOWayans Brothers' Workload and Tiredness
0:00 to 0:21
The Wayans brothers discuss their hectic schedule and tiredness.
“With Red Bull Summer All Day Play, you choose a playlist that fits your summer vibe the best.”
Wayans Brothers' Workload and Tiredness
4:04 to 4:52
The Wayans brothers discuss their hectic schedule and tiredness.
“Thank you so much for coming onto the show.”
Discussion of Tim Cash and Comedic Stereotypes
4:52 to 5:38
A light-hearted conversation about Sri Lankan comedian Tim Cash.
“and now I'm going to Paris man we gotta eat shit food on the now I'm sitting in your little closet having a nice conversation with an Indian dude with a dope D.A.”
Reflections on London and Comedy Games
5:38 to 6:10
The Wayans brothers reflect on their time in London and comedic games.
“Got up there, put the door to the bedroom, got in, come down the hill.”
Discussion on Bringing Back Scary Movie
6:10 to 9:50
The Wayans brothers share their motivations for reviving Scary Movie.
“Every show I've been on, they got some kind of damn game they want me to play.”
The Challenges of Making Comedy Movies
9:50 to 14:01
A discussion on the difficulties and nuances of creating comedy films.
“The original scary movie was so incredible.”
The Art of Comedy: Making Jokes Land
14:01 to 18:06
Learn how the Wayans Brothers approach comedy and the mechanics of timing.
“This is the way your mind thinks when you do a parody.”
Behind the Scenes of Comedy Filmmaking
18:06 to 19:53
Discover the fun and chaos that occurs on set while filming comedies.
“How much pissing, like is it just nonstop pissing about?”
Comedy's Subjectivity and Critics' Reviews
20:48 to 23:59
Explore how the Wayans Brothers perceive reviews and audience reactions to their films.
“I mean, are you constantly now when you're watching horror films, are you constantly just looking for little tropes that you can take and stuff like that?”
Family Dynamics in Comedy
23:59 to 28:00
Hear about the challenges and rewards of working with family in the comedy industry.
“We've got a question from my mum, who is also Sri Lankan.”
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The Dynamics of Comedy Direction
28:00 to 28:49
Learn about the balance of vision and execution in comedy production.
“or do you like, and do you all have the same sense of humor?”
In Living Color and Its Impact
28:50 to 30:37
Explore the significance and legacy of In Living Color in comedy history.
“We've, I don't know if, often compared to SNL, I don't know if you're aware, SNL UK just started over here.”
Creating Iconic Moments in Comedy
30:38 to 33:18
Understand how In Living Color shaped the Super Bowl halftime show experience.
“And you're constantly trying to, you know, then the audience has an expectation.”
The Vision for a Reunion
33:19 to 35:38
Imagine the concept of a Living Color reunion during a Super Bowl halftime show.
“Because back in the day, it was just like college bands.”
The Importance of Representation
35:39 to 37:36
Discuss the significance of representation in comedy and entertainment.
“Now, one of the things that, you know, we talked about - They hate you, son.”
Inspiration and Artistic Motivation
37:37 to 39:06
Reflect on the motivations behind creating comedy and inspiring others.
“in your thought process or is that a byproduct of what you guys have just naturally done?”
Playing Misquoted: A Fun Game
39:07 to 41:34
Engage in a lighthearted game that reveals quotes and insights.
“Okay, we're going to play a little game.”
Future Aspirations in Comedy
41:35 to 42:00
Explore future goals and aspirations in the comedy industry.
“Have you got anything left that you want to do comedically or creatively?”
The Future of Comedy and Upcoming Projects
42:00 to 50:12
Learn about the Wayans brothers' thoughts on their careers and comedy's evolution.
“Or is there something, one more thing that you want to really hit?”
Transcript
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1:22While supplies last. ends June 30th. Terms at aka.ms slash college PC. So the Eurostar's not even cozy? It's nice. It's nice. Yeah. Have you done any? Is that the train? Yeah. What's the best food out here in London? What's your restaurant that you brag about that you like, you gotta go there to eat? Not because you're Indian. But you're gonna... That's how you know he's Indian, though. You might be Puerto Rican or something. Jim... Jim... Jim... Jim Khanna. That is good. That is really good.
1:57Romesh Ranganathan:You reckon? You've got a Dominican vibe. Actually Sri Lankan. He said Dominican vibe. You're Sri Lankan? Sri Lankan originally. My boy Tim Casher is Sri Lankan. You probably know him. I do, yeah. He's actually from London. His name's gotta be Tim Casher Narden or something, or Casher Asinga. Yeah, you probably tie it down to sound cool. Yo, what's up? This is Ballin' Wayne. And this is Sean Wayans. And we're gonna, unfortunately, be on this hot-ass Romeshay show. check us out
2:33oh shut up Romesh
2:36Romesh Ranganathan:I'm going to do an intro I'm going to try and big you up if you don't like it or you want anything added please let me know as I'm reading it I trust you go ahead feel free to interrupt my guest today please don't read it as I'm reading it go ahead My guest today is supremely gifted comedians, actors and writers from one of the most iconic entertainment dynasties. They first burst onto the scene in a sketch show in Living Colour, went on to front their own sitcom, performed stand-up internationally. I do know him. I told you. I know. I do know him. Why do you wait for him to get halfway through the intro?
3:10Now you got to start over and you got to say dynasty again. I do know him. I'm so sorry.
3:18Romesh Ranganathan:I'm so sorry. Now he got a - What? No, but I know that guy's like, yeah. Now you got to say dynasty again. Tim Cush. You don't like dynasty, dynasty. It's dynasty. It's dynasty, the way they say it. Why do you let that man speak? Why did you interrupt him halfway through that long shit? This is a podcast. You're supposed to fuck up. Can we curse? Yeah, you can curse. You can fucking curse. Let's fucking get the fuck on with it, yeah? Mother fuckers. Let's fucking go. Am I fucking right? We're ready to fuck up. Come on. Let's fucking do it. Reach up dynasty. It's a fucking dynasty, baby. They first burst onto the scene in a sketch show in Living Colour, went on to front their own sitcom, performed stand-up internationally, and created and star in comedy classics like Scary Movie, White Chicks, and Little Man.
3:58Romesh Ranganathan:Now 25 years after the original, they are back, bringing their signature mischief to horror spoof scary movie. It's the amazing Marlon and Sean Wayans. Congratulations. Thank you so much for coming onto the show. Now, I'm going to be honest with you. You've got a tired vibe about you. Is that accurate? We're tired. We're exhausted. I'm sleepy. I flew out. If you know my last three days, you throw up. Seriously, Guns. I did a show in New Jersey. Yeah. Drove to New York. I did another show at Barclays Center. I got on a plane after two after parties. I got on a plane, came here, got off the plane.
4:36I did a show at the Wembley OVO. Yeah. And then after that, I had a party. and then after that I've been working from 6 o 'clock in the morning until I don't know 8 at night every night promoting scary movie and now he's sick and now I'm going to Paris man we gotta eat shit food on the now I'm sitting in your little closet having a nice conversation with an Indian dude with a dope D.A. El Demarche
5:05Romesh Ranganathan:and how are you Sean? what? are you Haitian? no oh okay no I'm not Tim Cash Shrullah? okay Yeah. I'm like Tim Cash. Okay, yeah. I didn't know what Tim was for years. He's like, I'm Sri Lankan. Yeah. Where is that? Tim Cash doesn't look Sri Lankan. He is. He's a crazy Sri Lankan. He's crazy. And he knows how to pick every lock. I've never seen nothing like it. Not to say all y 'all know I pick locks. No, but I know. But the problem is that people don't know many Sri Lankans. If one of the two that they know picks locks, that becomes a stereotype. I got locked out of my house. You know who got me in?
5:38Tim Cash. Tim Cash. In my own house. in my own house. I was like, what in the hell? Came back, give me five minutes. Dude, where'd he go? He came through the front door. Here, go, what happened? Climbed up your fucking roof. Got up there, put the door to the bedroom, got in, come down the hill.
5:58Romesh Ranganathan:That's exactly how Tim Cash sounds as well. He's in your house now. He's picking again. Like Eddie Murphy and Belial's cop. How you doing?
6:08Romesh Ranganathan:Welcome to the show. Thank you so much Thank you so much for coming on, man. You guys are legends. How much do you enjoy being in London? I really like it. You people are crazy. Y 'all got some dark sense of humor. And you love games. Can we stop? I don't play no games. Please don't have to play a game. Every show I've been on, they got some kind of damn game they want me to play. They love games. And I'm like, I'm tired of games. I don't want to play no fucking games. Okay, go scroll on, man. No, just stop looking at me. Oh, shit. That's a game. I'm joking, I'm joking. We haven't got any games actually.
6:40Romesh Ranganathan:Well, we do have one game, but it's not really that. No, but it's not, it's like a fun. And I've won every game, that's just weird. We have actually got a present for you. Go for it. I'm hoping this is gonna work. This is for you to, I can't imagine you're gonna wanna take this away, but you can do if you want. It's sort of a la Scary Movie. It's like a little voice changer thing. Let me see if I can get it to work. Do you like scary movies like that? Kind of like that, yeah. Hold on, let me just set it to, this one's baby. Do we get the speaker too? Yeah, you can have the speaker. Hello, how are you?
7:10Romesh Ranganathan:That's a baby one. What do you think of that? What baby sounds like that? Well, it's not actually a baby, you know. Oh, yeah. I'm not talking like a baby alien. There's uncle, which is like, I'm going to be honest with you, I've lost faith in this. But this is like... You still want to give it? I'm going to be out of here. I'm lost faith in this. I'm lost faith in this. Yo, that's like a comedian. Yo, he started bombing and then he bailed out a little bit. Yo, sure. We was at the Barclays and this white dude was bombing real bad. And he goes, I gotta be honest with you guys. I'm having an anxiety attack.
7:52Oh, man. And then the black people that was booing him was like, oh. And they felt bad for him. They started clapping like, you get there, you get through. and then the motherfucker tried to tell another joke and it fooled him again.
8:05Romesh Ranganathan:Oh, man. Eyes wanted to hug him. Anyway, let me show you the second voice. So this is like if somebody's like in a documentary but they want their identity protected. Hello. I thought it was going to be a consensual exchange initially and then he started talking to everybody in the Diddy documentary.
8:31And the whole time, it was just 50 Cent doing that.
8:35Romesh Ranganathan:It's a camp-free voice, yeah. There was 1 ,500 bottles of baby voice. I hate when they make the girl sound like that too. I know. It's like at least give them a girl distorted voice. But I won't take that speaker. You just want the speaker? Yeah, I'll take the speaker. You gotta take the speaker and not the little voice. We'll figure it out afterward. Do you want, here, do you just want the speaker? Thank you. I appreciate that. I mean, look, that is... Okay, well, I'll just kick it. Do you want this? No. What am I gonna do with that? I don't know. I'll take it up there. You sure? It's just that you said you don't want to travel with it, but you took the biggest part of it.
9:13Romesh Ranganathan:I'm gonna give it to my publicist to travel for it. And then you took the biggest part of it. Anyway, congratulations. Thank you. Congratulations on your gift. On what? Thank you. Oh, thank you. And congratulations, Scary Movie. Thank you. Guys, very, very exciting. Yes, me too. Why have you guys decided to bring our new scary movie? What's brought you back? It's been a long time since you're involved in the originals. So what's the deal? How come you're back? I just think people need to laugh. We've got jokes. I think the world needs some laughter. It's been a long time since people came into the theater and really cracked up and enjoyed and laughed and laughed at your friends and with your friends and just had a good time.
9:50I think the movie feels good. It feels like the 90s. So it's a nostalgic feeling.
9:55Romesh Ranganathan:The original scary movie was so incredible. Like so, so funny. And like proper, proper out and out comedy. Right. And I think that in the interim, I think there's probably an argument that out and out comedy is a few and far between. I think it's probably fair to say. In terms of like a film that the only job that film wants to do is to just make you laugh as much as possible. It's fair to say we've had an absence of that. Right. Absolutely. And so I would say a 15 year absence, maybe 20. Yeah. So do you feel like, what have you thought about what's happened with comedy movies in the time in between scary movies, I guess?
10:34They haven't had any. There's probably been maybe four or five comedies. The last comedy that made me laugh, one of my favorites, is The Wrong Missy. Anybody see The Wrong Missy? I didn't see The Wrong Missy, no. Check it out. It was funny. That was the last one that made me laugh. But that was a Netflix movie. But this last time we seen a big comedy in like the theaters has been a long time. Where the Millers. Maybe the boring.
10:58Romesh Ranganathan:I thought that was funny. Where the Millers is great. Yeah, but that wasn't like. It was funny, man. But that wasn't recent. I said that was the last. I just said that was the last time that I laughed in a theater. 15 years ago? 12 years ago? And then the latest vacation movie was funny. Those two movies made me laugh. Which one was that? Were you talking about National Land Post? Yeah. Yeah, the new one. Yeah, the reboot or whatever. Yeah, with the Korean car. Yeah, yeah. That was funny. So I haven't laughed in the theater. I haven't laughed in the theater in a while. Do you think comedy is kind of like making people laugh as a thing in a film is sort of, I feel like it's slightly, people don't realize how difficult that is, right?
11:39Romesh Ranganathan:So it's slightly sort of, not disrespected, but it's overlooked. If a film just makes people laugh, it's less likely to win awards and stuff like that. Do you know what I mean? Oh, absolutely. that comedy doesn't get any any any credit you know what comedy gets now criticism that's what the problem is it's too much criticism and not as not enough laughter yeah you can't judge in comedy you got to go to a comedy club or you go to a place you want to hear the dark jokes and we and the thing society has over time i think social media covid all the movements you know just made everybody scared. And, you know, so now people are desperate to laugh.
12:21And you could tell by the, like, we got 450 million views on our trailer in less than five days, which is insane because people are hungry to laugh. It felt like the 90s when I went to the movie theaters because I went to Scream to see the trailer play in front of Scream. I saw the scary movie trailer play and it was just like, ah, ah. They was like, I can't wait. They was clapping. They get when they saw it was us. Round of applause. I've never seen a trailer get like a round of applause and then a round of applause afterwards. So, you know, we're excited that people want to laugh again. I think it's a good time.
12:58Romesh Ranganathan:With the original, it's like it's sort of in the tradition, I guess, of like airplane and proper like, you know, out and out comedies like that. those films that kind of when people watch them, you know, it's, you know, a lot of it is like, I guess you call it silly comedy. Do you know what I mean? In terms of what you're doing. And when people see silly comedy, they think that's, people assume that can be easy to do. But physical comedy and pratfalls and all of that kind of stuff is probably the most difficult. Parody is the hardest genre you can write. I don't care. Drama, I'm not afraid of drama.
13:33I can write a story. Romantic comedy, I'm not afraid of writing those. It was a regular action, buddy action. I've written one. They're not as hard as a parody. On a parody, every joke, every page you're shooting, three jokes a page. Everything is a joke. Every bit of dialogue is a joke. Everything, everywhere you're going. We're in the hospital. What's the name of the hospital? We're in a movie theater. What funny can happen here? What does the toilets look like? This is the way your mind thinks when you do a parody. The slug line got to be funny. The action got to be funny. The character got to be funny.
14:11The dialogue got to be funny. Every element has to be funny. And guess what? Not all those jokes are going to land. So, you know, your joke ratio is going to might not be great because even if you do land, you're going to miss and you do it correctly. You're going to miss jokes because you're laughing through the next joke. So you want rapid fire. But it is the hardest thing that you could do. It is really hard.
14:35Romesh Ranganathan:do you genuinely go by whatever you guys think is funny? Does it make you laugh? Yeah, if it makes us laugh, a lot of times it'll make the audience laugh. Sometimes we're cracking up and then the audience don't get it. So, you know. You got to trust your instincts, you know. You've got 200 years of comedy between me, Sean, and Keenan, and Damon and Kemp. Like, my family's been doing it for a long time. If you like Wayne's humor, you know what we do. And, you know, it's the same formula, different movie. How does it feel to be sort of part of a family that have made such a massive impact. I mean, like, I know...
15:10I think I'd feel a lot better if I was part of Michael Jackson's family because they're just a lot richer. But that's just because I'm materialistic. That's all.
15:19Romesh Ranganathan:But you've made an indelible mark on entertainment, right? Thank you. And comedy in particular. And even in the UK, you know, you're revered... The Waynes family revered so much for the amount of really great comedy you've created. Thank you. Have you been able to sort of appreciate, I mean, does it feel weird being part of that? Is it just, that's just normal life? We think it's very cool and we love that the audience reviews us and we appreciate it and it's nice to... And to be honest, as much as we appreciate it, it's like we're so busy working and doing that I don't have time to smell the roses.
15:57I just got time for planting trees and finding those jokes and doing all this. So, you know, we don't do it for the accolades. We do it because we just like making people laugh.
16:08Romesh Ranganathan:So your drive is not what you're, you're not worried about legacy then? Is that what you're saying? You're just keeping on doing the next thing and seeing what happens? You know, you don't worry. I don't think you think about legacy until you slow down. Yeah. Then you can go, what is my legacy? What is our legacy? I think you can't reach legacy without just doing the work. We've been in this game almost 40 years. So we already built a lot of the legacy. There's more years to come that will follow. And there's a shortcut. All we have to do is rob the Jacksons. And why do you keep bringing that up?
16:47Romesh Ranganathan:No, I think it's something that's not talked about enough, actually. You and your little Sri Lankan boy are going to pick the Jacksons a statement. You're taking Tim Cash to the ranch. Right. But do you, for example, the original Scary Movie is such an iconic movie. There's an argument against coming back and doing another one for you guys in terms of sometimes people feel like it's made such an impact. I don't want to come back to that and risk tarnishing it or whatever. I think that's a crazy theory because it's like you don't throw punches and then look at your punch. You hit him in the joint, but oh man, that was a great knockout.
17:28And a boxer goes, I don't ever need to throw another punch. I can never top that punch, man. You seen how he went down? Man, that was a 37 second fight. I'm done. I'm retired. No, you keep doing it because you just love the art of throwing the punches. And you don't know what lands. And you're not trying to top the movie. You're just trying to continue to entertain. And the audience, comedy is subjective. So the audience is going to tell you what movie they like the best. some people love scary movie one some people love scary movie two some people love you know white chicks it doesn't matter which one it is as long as you they're all in the conversation
18:05Romesh Ranganathan:i think we did our job yeah and then with regards to making scary movie when people talk about making heavy dramas and stuff like that they talk about the fact that you have to be kind of uh lighter in between takes and stuff because the stuff you're filming gets so heavy Is it just nonstop pissing about on, I know it's a very British thing to say. Yeah, pissing. Yeah, there's a lot of pissing about. Yeah. How much pissing, like is it just nonstop pissing about? Yeah. I mean, you know, he tries to piss, I take a piss, and he's laughing while I'm peeing. And you know, everyone's trying to make each other laugh.
18:40So there's just piss flying everywhere. Yeah. It's a piss fest.
18:46It's, I think everybody's trying to make each other laugh. I think that's the fun of doing comedy. And for me, when I'm sitting there watching everybody, and Sean, when we're watching everybody, we're trying to make them funnier in each scene. Go, okay, say this. So we're improvising for other people. So as you're doing it, it's just working. You're not thinking about it. The work is the fun, right? So it's not like about, hey, let's have fun between takes and do some more pranks and fun stuff. No, everything fun, we try and put it on the screen.
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19:19Romesh Ranganathan:So you're just trying to top whatever you've done? Yeah, we're trying to make everything better. So we'll have a script that we are following, but then after you do a take, then we go, okay, that was funny. We got that in the can. Okay, let's try it like this. Right, right, right. And then you just keep going until you think - And we keep going until we go, oh yeah, that was really funny. Until we're behind budget. Yeah, exactly. They're ready to shut us down. And we end up shooting in this room.
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20:48Romesh Ranganathan:I mean, are you constantly now when you're watching horror films, are you constantly just looking for little tropes that you can take and stuff like that? Yeah, we watch like a hundred movies in order to write one movie. So you just watch them over and over again. Is it something else? What didn't I see? Try and place your characters in those situations. So it's a lot of work. But, you know, over time you get, you know, a bunch of like jokes and then you got to pare down the jokes and go, which ones are We're going to fit in the story. And then you write your first draft. And your first draft is, you know, very long.
21:18I think our first draft was like 189 pages. What character you assign those jokes to, you know, you have to figure that out. It's a process. But, you know, end of the day, how many laughs can you get out of a movie? They say a good comedy. You laugh five times in a theater. And I don't think we've ever done a movie where we try to make people laugh only five times.
21:38Romesh Ranganathan:Yeah. they say if you laugh seven times that movie's hilarious okay well then this is gonna be absolutely hilarious this may be the funniest movie of all time but that's like the film reviewers rule of thumb right if it's got seven laughs I don't know I don't know what those guys do we don't even do it for the reviews man because we've been so beat up by the reviews we expect the reviews to never be good look at We got Rotten Tomatoes scores. White Chicks. White Chicks got like a 17. Yeah, we got killed. Honey House got a six. Scary Movie 1 got like a 24. Scary Movie 2 got like a 20. We have terrible Rotten Tomatoes scores, but our movies, classics.
22:2720 years later, people still want to see Scary Movie with Wayne's Day. You know, 20 years later, it's still asking for White Chicks in living color. All the things that we've done over the past they never got great reviews. Don't be a menace got slaughtered Yeah in reviews, but people love that movie we do it for the you know The weed head don't care about no reviews and he cared. Did you make him laugh bro? Can I get high and watch this again with some of my buddies did I eat munchies during this? That's all
22:56Romesh Ranganathan:So you're you bulletproof when it comes to reviews? Don't give a shit. I won't say that. We just don't really trip on it. We know that their job is to review, and you can't go to school and study movies and then try... They have a different sense of humor than we have. And so comedy is subjective. So they have every right to review, and we don't get mad. Sometimes they're so bad, we read them out loud and laugh. Conan used to do that. We used to read them out loud and laugh. What movie did they watch? So, you know, and like I said, we have respect for the critics and everything because they have a job to do.
23:36But, you know, we make these movies for the audience and we want this movie to be, you know, funny.
23:42Romesh Ranganathan:So fuck the critics, yeah? That I won't say. No. We won't say that. Like, fuck them, man. Then we'll get the negative 35 fans. We don't give a fuck what you're going to say. Fuck you, man. Negative 35. If you're watching this in your critic, fucking suck my dick. Am I right? No. That's that. I can't wait till you do it for me. I want to read. I want to read that review. We've got a question from my mum, who is also Sri Lankan. Okay, hello. No, this is a voice now. I've not heard this, so I don't know what she's going to ask you. Okay. All right. Hi, guys. I'm Romesh's mother. We work together.
24:18Sometimes Romesh's brother joins too. do you find it easy to work with family or do you fight on set when romesh is a silly bugger i just tell him to shut up have a wonderful day this is romesh's mom shanti thank you
24:38Romesh Ranganathan:okay she introduced herself and introduced herself at the end she threw in a slam on me that's cute how difficult is it to work with family it depends on what can be really really It can be really, really fun. When we did White Chicks, Sean did not want to be bothered. He hated me. But it wasn't his fault. He had these things in his eye. We hated each other. We had these contacts in our eyes. We had heels. Our feet was hurting. We was under duress, makeup. We had a mini skirt on. And one time I was trying to get him to get on his mark. and he's like yo leave me alone don't touch me he was like he's just trying to help you out i didn't want to hear nothing from nobody but i understood how he felt because i was in the same exact makeup it was so painful that when on the very first day of shooting i went to my brother and we did one scene, we did a take, and I go, yo, how much longer we got?
25:46And he's like, motherfucker, you just started shooting. You got 18 more hours. I was like, man. But yeah, it can be difficult, but I think it's rewarding. You know, this is, I think we've always made magic together, and look, you only got so much time in this world in this synapse we call life. So why not do what you love with who you love and laugh all the way till we can't laugh no more?
26:17Romesh Ranganathan:One of the tricky things about it is that, you know, when you're doing comedy, you're trying to get, as an individual, you're trying to get, particularly when you didn't stand up, for example, you're trying to get as many laughs as you possibly can, right? And it's quite a selfish pursuit. And then if you're doing something as part of like a cast or a group or whatever, you've got to sort of put your ego to one side and go, we're working for the benefit of the whole thing, right? Are you able to do that with your brothers, like, you know, in terms of like, do you ever get worried about, I don't know, somebody's got more laughs than someone else or somebody's got bigger lines or anything like that?
26:51No, I want everybody in the scene to be funnier than me. Right. Right? If I'm going to be funny, I want everybody around me to be funnier. That's why it's going to be a hilarious scene. And when, you know, he does the scene, I want to make sure that it's not just a good scene. I want to make it hilarious. How we make this the best scene ever. Because I'm not in the scene, we both look out for each other. Here's how we can make this scene funnier. And you have to be unselfish, especially in our position, because we're not just some actors. We're the writers. We're the producers. We're stars and the visionaries of the project.
27:27So we have to be the point guard as well as the shooting guard. So we watch each other's scenes and after the director says cut, I'll go over to him with notes and be like, yo, that was really funny. You should try this. Oh, do that. Or when I do my scene, when they yell cut, Maul and they'll come over, yo, that was really funny. You should try this. Oh, try that. Do this line. And then I'll try it and then, you know, it'll be funny. It'll take it to the next level.
27:56Romesh Ranganathan:What's the dynamic? Is it completely equal amongst all of you? Is there somebody who's got like the power of veto or do you like, and do you all have the same sense of humor? I think we've learned over the process is to acquiesce, right? Some people have a vision for things, and so you have to do that and let them execute because it's hard for everybody to have the same exact vision, but who's going to be doing the day-to-day work and bring the vision home, and that's who you got to, at the end of the day, you got to trust that person. I mean, and I imagine that takes... Except for when Kenan's directing.
28:29When Keenan's directing, yo, we do what Big Bro says. Not just what Big Bro says, but he's one of the greatest comedy directors of all time. Yeah, yeah. So, you know, that's a different set of circumstances. That's when you sit there and yeah, we're producers and writers, but Keenan's the director. So we got to listen to our director because he's the visionary. Right, right, right.
28:49Romesh Ranganathan:Now, let's talk about In Living Colour. Absolutely enormous show. Yes. We've, I don't know if, often compared to SNL, I don't know if you're aware, SNL UK just started over here. Yeah. Okay. How do you feel like, I mean, you mentioned it, Marlon, the fact that people still talk about it living in colour. Yeah. What was that like to be part of something? I mean, you can't have known that it was going to have the impact it was going to have. But what was it like to be part of all of that? How exciting did it feel? And how difficult was that? Because with sketch, you know, there's, I think that there's probably, you know, because SNL's run so long in the States.
29:23Romesh Ranganathan:Sketch comedy over here has had like a, has disappeared for a while and it's starting to come back a bit. But sketch... We grew up on Benny Hill. That was like our favorite. Really? Yeah, we loved Benny Hill. Monty Python has always been very funny too. I love Monty Python too. Big fans, man. Brits are funny, funny people, man. The Office, you guys have got a great sense of humor. And I wish more of the world had that kind of dark humor. Twisted. Do you think the British have got it particularly dark? Oh, you're dark. You're dark. You're dark. But smart too. Mm. Dark, smart, and it's wicked. You just guys, you know, I love British humor.
30:01Romesh Ranganathan:With sketch, like, do you just accept some of this hit? Like, it's difficult to make every sketch hit, right? Well, I think it is difficult. I think when you talk about television, I think sketch is the hardest form of television. I think just the same way sketch and parody. That's why for us, we do sketch and we do parody. Every black, here's how hard sketch is. Every black sketch show producer and performer quit at the five year mark. Richard Pryor, Key and Peele, Dave Chappelle, and Kenan all quit after five years. It's tough, man. It's tough. Because it's a machine. You know, it's a, that's rough.
30:49And you're constantly trying to, you know, then the audience has an expectation. So you gotta, you know, you gotta wait for things to happen. And you can only do but so many characters. And what's great, we had a lot of original characters when we did Living Color. But, you know, it's just - And Living Color had an insanely talented cast too. And insanely talented writers, you know. But you turned them over so much. You just basically bleed in people's drive. Because all day long, we used to stay on Living Color until six in the morning writing sketches. Yeah. Because nobody wanted to write for Keenan and Damon's little untalented brothers.
31:22And that was Keenan and Damon talking.
31:29Except Phil Bowman, though. Phil Bowman used to write with him.
31:31Romesh Ranganathan:See, I had people that didn't want to write for you. So you just come with your own shit. The other guys, everyone was trying to write for the guys with the superstar characters. Everybody wanted to write for Damon and Jim. Yeah. And David and Kim. Yeah. And Kelly, they wanted to write for the cast members who had the hits. Me and Maul didn't have no hits. We had to create our own little hits. We had Snuffin' Roam and he had, he did Shabba Ranks and I did L Cool JJ. The Dev Jam sketch. We were trying to get on Ice Poe. We was trying to get our foot in the door and get our superstar sketches. Now, what some people might not know in the year.
32:11Romesh Ranganathan:Fuck! You could have at least put your hands up. Why didn't you? You guys are lucky I don't fart. I really want to fart in this room. That's what I want to do. You know, never mind the sneezing, but I want to fart in this room. I didn't let it out, Sean. I know. I'm over here. That's how you'd normally lean, right? Yeah. He's already getting sick. Look at him. He always looks sick, though. That's crazy. He does look... You always look like you just got bit by his arm. But you know how you know how he's... He looks like he just got bit. Like, we could save him if he chops off his arm. You know how you know he's ill when he starts to look well?
32:47Romesh Ranganathan:Like if he's looking healthy and he's got a normal colour to his face, then you've got to call a doctor. Now, what people in the UK might not know is that the modern Super Bowl halftime show, the spectacle of that show is down to you guys, right? That's fair to say, right? The reason for that spectacle was because of In Living Colors' Super Bowl halftime show. So can you explain the whole phenomenon? Before that, Keenan and Damon noticed that it was brought to their attention that nobody watches the Super Bowl halftime show when the Super Bowl was on. Because back in the day, it was just like college bands.
33:39Yeah, it was like cheerleaders. So people would turn to something else, and then they would turn back to the game. So they seen that as an opportunity to get people to watch In Living Color during the halftime show and have people turn to Fox, watch In Living Color's live halftime show, and then have them turn back to the game. And so that's what happened. And so Super Bowl lost like half of their audience or maybe even more than that because everybody tuned into that episode. And that was so big that the next year - They hired Michael Jackson. They hired Michael Jackson to do the halftime show.
34:18I mean, that is incredible, right? Yeah, that was crazy. To spot that opportunity and then to,
34:23Romesh Ranganathan:I mean, that in and of itself is an amazing impact. Yeah, that was crazy. And the dream of mine, because I have these crazy ideas and crazy dreams. I would love to one day, I wanna do the Living Color reunion show as a Super Bowl halftime show, but that's what we actually do it, with the Super Bowl in coordinations at the Waynes, like the way Dr. Dre and them did, to do the Living Color takeover halftime show associated with the NFL and just laid out a half hour comedy sketch show. They hate us. No, Sean, that would be so - That would be so big. They wanna kill us. That would be so big. Are you kidding me?
35:09You know how big that would be? If we did the In Living Color reunion. I know exactly what you're going for. I'm just saying they hate us. You know how money we made them spend? They probably hate us, but the point is... What if we did it again? We'd go do it over at Fox. Then they'd hate us even more. Exactly. But just, let's just table that. I think it could happen. Put a pin in that. I think it's worth putting a pin in that. Put a pin in that. 100%. Okay. Put a pin in that. I'm going to bring that to the streets. I'm throwing it up there.
35:42Romesh Ranganathan:Work with a pop. Now, one of the things that, you know, we talked about - They hate you, son. That was my dead father telling him. He tried to bring my father in on the idea. He's like, I'm going to work with a pop. And then my father saying, they hate you, son. It's really hot in here. Yeah, it's quite hot, isn't it? Are you struggling? Aren't you? Me? It's hot. Sri Lanka, man. What does that mean? No, I'm quite warm. I'm quite warm. You're used to this kind of heat? Is it hot in Sri Lanka? Yeah. Ask Tim. Tim knows. We'll call Tim. Don't call him now. Yeah, I think it's a bad idea. You really do know Tim?
36:27Romesh Ranganathan:Can I just say that? I do know Tim. No. You're going to get sick. Don't touch his phone. Okay, yeah, shit. Sorry. Yeah. I do know Tim, yeah. Okay. Sorry. What does Tim host? Can you show Ben? You'll know. You're like a... Tim Cash. I do know him, yeah. I don't know what he hosts, though. He hosts MTV. He hosts... That's right. He hosts a show for... He probably hosts Cribs now. Amazon. He's hosted a show for... That's hilarious. He's hosted a show for the Oscars. He's been on a lot of carpets. Tim Cash. Love you, boy. Yeah, big shout out, Tim Cash. You're Marlon's favorite Sri Lankan. Big ups.
37:06You're my second favorite. Thanks, man. But then again, I only know two Sri Lankans. Who's your third? Your mom, so... Yeah, I know three Sri Lankans.
37:16Romesh Ranganathan:Pardon? Yeah, a lot of people in this country prefer my mom, actually. It goes, my mom, Tim, then me. Now, your impact has been particularly recognized by the black community in America and rightly very proud of having you, having this family represent them and the impact you've made. How important is that kind of representation to you? Is that something that plays any part in your thought process or is that a byproduct of what you guys have just naturally done? I think it's a byproduct of what we naturally done. And, you know. It's very cool. Shout out to the families that came before us that made us dream.
37:50Shout out to, you know. The Jacksons. The Jacksons, the DeBarges, even the Osmonds, you know, I know they're not black, but they were influential in seeing a family work together. And so we grew up with that vision and it's good to execute it. And I hope that we inspire the next generation of Waynesers.
38:12Romesh Ranganathan:Well, because, you know, sometimes you don't think, you know, and I think about this as like a brown performer, I guess, in the UK. You don't think about it. But then when I was growing up, there weren't many brown people on TV doing comedy or anything like that. And so, you know, there was a couple of shows and then you think, and then that gives you a sense of, of like, shit, I could do this. And then now when you're doing what you're doing, if you think about what you've achieved, without you realizing, you know, there's probably going to be people that have decided to go into this. A lot of people decided to go into this as a direct result of watching you.
38:46Romesh Ranganathan:I mean, that's a pretty amazing thing to consider. I mean, that's beautiful. I mean, you know, to be inspired, to inspire people, that's... Yeah, I think that's very cool. Yeah. But that's not why we did it. We just wanted to tell these jokes and make some money. Yeah, I get it. Obviously, primarily, it's about the fee. But secondarily, if you've inspired somebody, that's a nice bonus. Yeah, that's a nice thing. Yeah, but it's not essential. It's a nice bonus. Yeah. Okay, we're going to play a little game. Stop! No! Game! At least you gave me a prize. You're going to like this game. We'll play this game.
39:15Romesh Ranganathan:You're going to like this game. Look at my little prize. You mind if I answer it like this? I can't play no more games, man. This game is called Misquoted. You don't have to do anything. You just sit there and talk. I'm going to give you five quotes. Okay. Some of them you said, some of them you didn't. Okay. And it will lead to some great content.
39:33Romesh Ranganathan:It's misquoted. Here we go. This is misquoted. Go for it. This is your first one. Did one of you say this or not? This white boy is funny. Trust me. He's like silly putty. Jim Carrey. Correct. Damon said this. Is it Damon that said this? This is you telling this story. This white boy is funny. He's like silly putty, Keenan. That's Damon. Yeah, I know. Oh. Okay, here's your next one. Go for it. Writing sessions are lit these days. I don't know anybody that said that. Which ones you use the word lit? Who said that? It's false. You didn't say that. Of course. That's crazy. This is a quote about your writing sessions.
40:18Romesh Ranganathan:We get lunch. We get green tea. We get in a room. That's true. We start talking about what kind of story you want to tell, get some funny gags, try to make each other laugh and get the room as warm as possible. That's Sean on Good Morning Texas. So you actually like these kind of temperatures. That's why we've got the room like this. No, I like that in my house. I like this. I did another direct quote. I don't want to smell at all. Direct quote from Sean. I like the room small and hot and with two awkward white guys in the corner. No, I never said that. So we've done it exactly as you said to Good Morning Texas in March of this year.
40:55Romesh Ranganathan:I'm done with movies. He's getting hot. He's mad. I'm done with movies. I'm moving to Palm Beach. Not us. Who's that? That's not us. No, you didn't say that. Yeah, no. I said, I'm just trying to be prolific. I want to do great things. When asked about whether there'd be a White Chicks 2, and that was to real 92.3 FM in January of this year. That sounds like something Marlon would say. Yeah. Yeah. Now, I'm moving to Miami. That's something Damon would say. I'm moving to Miami. Far away from you niggas. But he said Palm Beach. That ain't a Damon. That's not a Damon quote. Well done, guys. You won the game.
41:32Romesh Ranganathan:I won. Both of you won. So what did we win? Pardon? Your eventual release from this room. I'll borrow that. Oh, yes. But I hear about five more questions. I've got five more. Literally five more questions. Well, four, three. I love this. How many questions? I can see the monitor. Okay. You've had an incredible career. Congratulations. Thank you. Have you got anything left that you want to do comedically or creatively? Is there anything that you still want to achieve? If you were to retire today, would you be like, we had a good run? Or is there something, one more thing that you want to really hit?
42:02I have a lot I want to do. I feel like I'm just beginning. For me personally. Yeah. Because everything I've done up until now has been study, work, study, study, work, work, work, work, work. study, learn, learn, learn, learn, learn. And now at this age, I can execute every last single thing that I have thought of. And there's so much more I wanna do. Like these are my best years. These are my Denzel years. These are the years that you work to have this 20 year run. So I feel like my best work is ahead of me. I feel like if I was done today, I could say we had a nice run. Right. Not that I don't have more to do.
42:46It's just, I can say that. I don't, I'm not, you know. There's nothing. Yeah, I'm not trying to take over the world. But you are. He is. I am. If I die today, I'd be mad as hell. I'm a man, I want to do dynamite. I want to do the mask. I want to do white chicks too. Is there going to be a white chick too? When I die, put me in every one of these movies in a coffin. Playing the dead guy. Or work with me like, what's that movie? We can have Bernie's. Yeah. We can have Bernie's. Have me sitting next to you.
43:29Romesh Ranganathan:I want to keep doing movies. Where does a stand up sit alongside movies? Like, do you have a favorite thing that you do? I love stand up. I thought it used to be the thing I hated, the thing I feared. now it's like the thing I love most I love it I am addicted I want to stage every weekend and I'm working on now my my sixth special and I just want to keep pumping out funny stuff and clean slate and start again and blank canvas I love the art of because I used to always have to feel the need to do a movie or I would feel anxious to feel some anxiety but because I do stand-up now so much I I quelled that anxiety and I get to put together, you know, the things I really am passionate about and construct it how I like to construct it.
44:15So you do, I do stand up in between movies. Yeah. You know.
44:19Romesh Ranganathan:And how, and do you, are you doing that? Do you feel the same as Marlon about, are you addicted to it? Do you feel like you have to be doing it? No, I love it and I do it, but I'm not addicted to it. I just, I just love the, the art form. Do you think there's an argument that it makes you funnier? And I sort of feel like it makes you funnier in everything else you do. It does make you funnier. Makes you a better writer, a better producer, a better visionary. You're very confident about a scientist. You know where the laughs are. And you know you can bring them, you can let them go, and then you can piss them off.
44:48And then I know I can bring you back. It's just like, I just love it. It helps me when I'm on set, when I'm improvising, or if I'm writing, or if I'm working with an actor or actress. And I'm like, oh, say that, because there's always the writer in my head. I always hear the audience in my head. I know when sometimes I go too far, but it's intentional. And I know how to pull it back. And I know how to lose the audience and bring them back. I just...
45:12Romesh Ranganathan:Losing the audience and bringing them back, there's not many things more fun, right? It's the best. Than just deliberately... To piss them off. To start off with a premise that really pisses them off. And then your logic kind of brings them back in is amazing. Yes. But very difficult. It is. I mean, the pissing off bit is so easy. But when you know you got the goods, right? Yeah, yeah. When you know you got it, I don't trip, you know, and people that walk out early, you missed out on where the real nuggets are. It's always in the last two minutes of the set, like the last five minutes. It's like on a sitcom.
45:45You don't get the story beats until the last 30, last minute, 20, 21 minutes. Then they go, now let's give them a little heart for about a minute or two. And then you go back to a joke. But I think you gotta stay around for the performances because you get to see what they cooked up.
46:05Romesh Ranganathan:I remember watching... In fact, I think you were there as well. We went to watch Bill Burr in London. He takes a special. That must have been great. And he did a thing where the initial premise was, I'm sick of people saying that no means no. It doesn't, right? Like he's talking about women. Because when women say no, it doesn't always mean no. And he... It was at the Royal Albert Hall. He lost 2 ,500 people instantly, right? and then he brought them back and it felt like you know when you're watching a comic and you're you get nervous for them you just think this room is not with you at all yeah but he knew that the bit he was doing and it was fucking amazing to watch that happen man it was incredible yeah I love Bill Burr that happened to me just the other night really twice in London matter of fact both shows was it Wembley Wembley yeah I did something that just everybody was like oh And I was like, good.
46:59You're listening. And then, you know, because sometimes I jab. I don't start with a jab. I start with a right hand, punch you in the face, just because I just want to stir things up. And then I want to earn it back, right? I want to know that you're listening. And you want to see what kind of audience you got. So you start a little dark. Sometimes I start with the dark stuff first, and then I get light. Or I could go light and then get dark. But, eh, why wait? Do you think, what do you think about the art? My brother Damon, you know, showed us the power of true comedy when you can lose them and bring them back.
47:33Yeah. And I love that. And I do that every set.
47:37Romesh Ranganathan:Yeah. One of the things that comics keep getting asked is, and you sort of alluded to when you start talking about scary movies, that, you know, the idea of a fencing comedy and all of that stuff. Do you feel like, is that made up? Well, the people that don't hit the stage, don't, executives don't hit the stage. the social media, those people don't hit the stage. You can't tell me what to do with the audience. You can't judge jokes like that. You go to a comedy club, those people can judge a joke. When you go to a comedy club, people, or a comedy show, people are still laughing. They're not talking about, oh that was offensive.
48:14No, they are laughing. So to me that whole cancel culture is just a bunch of bullshit. It's like social media is like, It interrupts the laughter of a joke. It's like if somebody's heckling you in the middle of your set at a live comedy show. That's equivalent to social media. It's like someone's talking in the middle of you trying to say something funny. They interrupted it, so they killed the joke. That's what's happening on social media. You know what's funny is I always look at the cancel culture like this. If you cancel me, that's okay, because my real audience will always come see me. The people that cancel you, y 'all some bitch ass niggas.
48:56The real niggas gonna stay around. You sensitive people, y 'all shouldn't have came to this show in the first place. So, but if I tell a joke and, you know, to a thousand people and 12 people are offended, that's a great joke. Yeah. Good ratio. I killed it with that. Now if I tell a joke and 988 people get up and walk out, I may want to get some new writers. I may want to rethink this, buddy. But then that was offensive, right? So, you know, I try to make a joke that makes everybody laugh, but it's very rare that everybody's going to laugh at the same time. So you got to hit these people, hit that sector people, hit that sector people, and then you bring them together to enjoy one big laugh together.
49:51But, you know, it's an art form. And I think you should respect art that comes from people that spend so much time on stage, so many times, so much time doing movies. Me and my brothers have worked 200 years in this business. And if you guys want to see comedy, come see it from, you know, guys that have been doing this for 200 years.
50:10Romesh Ranganathan:So we normally ask for like a viral moment or exclusive or whatever. So I'm going to cut to the chase here. What are the chances of there being a White Chicks 2? And would you ever consider it? I think if Scary Movie 6, Scary Movie, comes out and the audience comes and supports it and we know that they want to laugh and that comedy is back, then White Chicks 2 will be the next thing that we'll work on. You heard it here first. Please give it up for Sean and Marlon Wayans. Thank you so much for watching this episode of The Romesh Ranganathan Show. I've been told that some of you are watching this, enjoying it, wallowing in it, but you still haven't subscribed.
50:52Romesh Ranganathan:That's mad behaviour. You're going to miss episodes. Very silly. So follow and subscribe to The Romesh Ranganathan Show on YouTube, Spotify, Apple, or wherever you get your podcasts. We drop new episodes every Monday and Thursday. On Monday, I'm here with amazing guests talking about their career, what they're up to, having a laugh with them. And then on Thursdays, I'm joined by my mum, widely regarded as the audience's favourite Ranganathan. And we answer your questions, your stories, and your family dilemmas. So I'll see you on Thursday when I'm back here with my mum, Shandy. Send your questions and stories to podcast at rangaby.com, voice note or text on 07731 623 355.
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From the publisher
Is there going to be a White Chicks 2?
Comedy legends Marlon and Shawn Wayans join The Romesh Ranganathan Show to talk about bringing Scary Movie back, the lasting impact of White Chicks and why Hollywood stopped making big comedy films.
From creating iconic parody movies and surviving brutal reviews to growing up in one of comedy’s most influential families, the Wayans reflect on decades of making audiences laugh and why comedy might actually be harder than ever now.
The brothers also discuss the chaos of In Living Color, their comedy influences and what it's like working with family and their legacy. They also touch on Marlon's love of stand-up and how it's shaped everything they do.
Plus: Shanthi asks a question, the team gets roasted and there’s a heated complaint about the studio temperature.
A Ranga Bee Production in partnership with Platform.
00:00 Intro
02:45 Tired Vibes & Tim Kash
04:41 On being in London
05:20 A gift for the guys
07:55 Scary Movie
08:38 The abscence of comedy movies
10:05 The difficulty of the comedy genre
13:36 The family effect and legacy
16:43 Making Scary Movie
18:24 Finding movie tropes
19:27 On reviews
20:41 A question from Shanthi
22:21 Working with family
26:25 On In Living Colour and Sketch
29:46 The team gets a roast
30:31 The Superbowl Show
33:38 A complaint about the room temperature
34:00 A brief shout out to Tim Kash
35:00 On representation
36:44 A game of Misquoted
39:23 What’s next?
41:06 On Stand up
45:15 Cancel culture
47:46 An exclusive
48:19 Outro
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