Did the UK Just Pass the Point of No Return? | Andrew Gold

23:06That seems to be, I don't want to paraphrase him. And he might say, you know, I apologize to him for paraphrasing on another, but you know, maybe - I'll have him on to follow up about this. Have him on to speak about it. He'll love that. He'll love that. He's a lovely man. And yeah, he says that. I said, look, that's not an option. I said to him, it's not because I think I'm more optimistic than you, Peter. It's because that is not an option. That's us dead. So it's the same result either way. So I don't know. You look, it depends. As there is in the States, there's an elite class, a liberal elite class.

23:33I hate saying it because it sounds, you know how it sounds, the liberal elite. But there is that class. They do exist. I saw a popular football or soccer player called Gary Neville. He was just posting something on Twitter. He's been running around taking down British flags. This is a guy who represented England in World Cups and things. Taking down British flags because he said, you know what that means, really. And it's like, well, what does it mean, Gary? So that is a huge problem right now. Now, what they don't understand Islanders, they live in like barbed wire security complexes so far from any of this stuff.

24:06And people who have to live every day, I mean, in America, in the Fox News, I know they've talked about no-go zones. I'm not sure they're exactly no-go zones. You're not going to get killed if you go down there, I don't think. But they are areas that look nothing, nothing like what you imagine Britain to be. And they are places where there's, yeah, just sort of, it looks like, I suppose, modern day Pakistan, or not even modern day. People carry like - places that it's obvious you're not welcome. That's what I would say, having been there enough and drove, you know, having taken, go through certain parts of London or the drive to Oxford or Cambridge, or when I went to see you and there's just signs in Arabic everywhere and you see Palestinian flags and it's like, they clearly don't want me there.

24:46I don't think they want you there. That's definitely true. And you know what's frustrating is that there's two separate arguments because one is about multiculturalism and whether it can ever work. And I don't think it can long term. But the one we're having really is about Islam. Because Hindus and Sikhs and Jews and Buddhists have been doing pretty damn well. And I don't want that to be taken. You know, there'll be some people who are against it and will say, well, hang on a minute, you know, and I respect those arguments as well. I'm not for multi, I'm against multiculturalism, really. But the issue has come with Islam.

25:16And you see the difference because I walk my dog. I have a little tiny dachshund who's the cutest thing ever, long haired, blonde, like people melt around her. and i walk down in the town where i grew up we walk around uh shopping centers and some most people are brown now they're just brown skinned and some come over to me and they love the dog and they pick her up and they say sometimes with an accent but sometimes they just sound english and they say oh i just i just want i'm going to take her home and we joke and we laugh they are always hindu always and some people run out the way because they're scared of the dog they spit They scowl.

25:51They look angry at me. They hate me because I have a little dog. Because in Islam, that is haram having a dog, especially if you have a black dog. I think the dog issue is one that maybe British people can get around more because we love our dogs so much, as do Americans. So yeah, that is what it's like. You wake up in a country that 20 years ago, you could walk your dog and it wasn't an issue. And today, it's a bit of an issue. Tomorrow, it's going to be even more of an issue. So again, so I sort of know your answer, but so now there's this Manchester attack on the holiest day of the Jewish year.

26:22Then it literally moments after riots start, you know, they rallies, Hamas rallies, whatever they are, you'd think that they would take an hour off, maybe be like, guys, this isn't the best look. A guy named Jihad just killed these two random Jews, you know. So it's just, it's just unending there. But I did see that the reaction online seemed to be a little bit more like, for the first time, Brits were just like, this cannot stand anymore. I suppose your argument is it just doesn't matter. They're going to stand it. There are just a few people tweeting it. But it's just depressing. Do you know, there's been a bit of infighting with the Jews recently, and I'm sure you have this as well in the States, but also not infighting as in woke versus anti-woke.

27:05I'm talking anti-woke versus anti-woke. We're all disagreeing now. It's tearing us apart in the UK. It's never been this bad, well, in decades anyway. Do you know that joke? A comedian I love called Josh Howey told it. Two Jews were going to be executed. They were lined up in front of a firing squad, and the sergeant in charge asked each Jew whether he wanted a blindfold or not. And, you know, do you want a blindfold, he asked the first Jew. The first Jew said, yes, okay, okay. Second Jew, do you want a blindfold? He said, no, and started swearing and throwing it everywhere. And at this point, the first Jew leaned over to the second and said, Take a blindfold.

27:40Don't make trouble. You know, that is the state we're in right now with a lot of Jewish people who, when the Israeli minister for diaspora said he welcomes Tommy Robinson, they went, they didn't just say, hey, I disagree with Tommy Robinson, which is fair enough. They lost their minds and called him a thug and that the Israeli minister's an idiot and all of these things. And I'm sitting here like, guys, we've come on, how long? They're not going to let you in their lefty club. They're not going to let you in. They're never going to let you in. And Tommy is fighting for all of the right things, for whatever maybe people said his past was or anything else.

28:15Like, this is basically the last guy in your country fighting for your country. Yeah. There are issues with Tommy Robinson, and they should be spoken about in a human way because they dehumanize him. And what happened was a lot of prominent Jewish journalists wrote, like, they went crazy and they said, he's a thug, he's this, he's that. Who isn't going to respond to that? Who's not going to retaliate? Especially Tommy. because Tommy doesn't take a breath before responding. And that's maybe one of his weaknesses. It might be one of his strengths as well. He then wrote a lot of stuff which played into tropes about Jews ruling the world and things like that, which then seemed to prove their point.

28:52And it wasn't really what I think, knowing Tommy, that he meant. He defends Jews more than most people, and he gets so much hatred from the far right and the groipers for doing so. So his point was that these guys are the elites who don't understand the regular Jewish people, but the way it came out wasn't great. So there are issues with Tommy. I'm going to be with him in Israel soon, and I'm going to try and bring them to him and say, hey, you know, come on. Sometimes don't attack these people whose families have been killed in Israel, you know, those kinds of things. But I just, to me, it's like when I see them go after Tommy Robinson, it's like you guys, it's sort of like Trump.

29:29It's like the guy's doing everything he possibly can do. And if there's some like loose language around it, Or he occasionally like slips up in a tweet. Like it is what it is. Like we, we all need allies right now. I hate the word ally, but we all need, we all need allies. Okay. So if the alarm is at the level that it's at, and there's obviously the free speech stuff too, um, why are you staying? And I would ask, I would ask this of any sane person in the UK right now. Yeah. I think the first thing is just my, well, you know what, actually, I think one reason to stay is, as people say, stay and fight.

30:07As I said to you before, I don't even know what that looks like. I don't know how one even begins to do that. But I'm here. And I suppose what I try to do is interview more and more, and that's the aim now, celebrities, thought leaders. We saw it recently. There was a guy called Rylan who's popular in the UK. He was on Big Brother. And he's gay and very flamboyant. And he's on all the morning shows. You know, he could be on Loose Woman or whatever the American equivalent was. He talked shows and things. And he just came out out of nowhere. And he's got this strong Essex accent. And he was just like, well, a lot of people are not happy with what's going on with all the immigration.

30:44And it was the first time anyone on TV had dared say. Now, everyone went completely insane. Wow, a gay against unfettered immigration? What a sellout. I know. They went crazy. And they all said he's lying about this and that and that. But it was a start. and I think those guys have so much power over the average person. So I think we have to wake people up. So part of it is I want to be here because I want to try and change things. Now, the other part is, look, if they're coming to kill me and my family, like the moment that happens, I need to be out the country. I don't care what everyone says about, oh, you're leaving a sinking ship.

31:16My family comes first. I'm getting the hell out of here. Where do you go? Do you pop over to France and Germany where it's even worse and Holland? You know, I used to live in France and Germany. I spent years in these places and it's just devastating seeing what's happened there. My family's from Argentina. My wife, you know, you met her. I could go back there, but God, it's far away and it's far away from my family. I've said to you, yeah, Texas, Florida, these are places that would be the last places to hold out. I wouldn't go to Israel because just look at that map. Just look at that place on the map and what it's surrounded by and how can it, you know, I don't know if that's a safe place, as aggressive as the Israelis are.

31:56So yeah, America, Argentina maybe, and try and hold out. But for now, let's see what we can do. Right. Do you sense, so when you see Keir Starmer give lip service to the Manchester attack, or now you've got this home secretary who, frankly, as an American, I think she's kind of for this stuff. What's her name? Shabama Shabumi. Yeah. I mean, do you have any hope that they will do anything at the moment? You know what's funny is that - I mean, my questions are all very similar, I suppose. I'm just trying to like - What do we do? Yeah. They're all, what do we do? Shabana Mahmood, I mean, I was actually skeptical.

32:36So far, she's said all the right things and, you know, done the right things as much as she can. I don't want to fall into the trap of imagining that every single Muslim person is against us. At the same time, there is a history for her of talking about how Islam is everything for her. Well, you know, we know what it says in the Quran about Jews, and we know how she feels about Palestine because she was big into that 10 years ago. So it's scary, but I want to try and give her the benefit of the doubt. The funny thing is that Keir Starmer is in a position where he's woefully unpopular. I think he's one of the most unpopular prime ministers we've ever had.

33:08And he overdoes, he sort of overcompensates. And some of his tweets such as they're like much further than what Trump would say. They're like capital letters. We will get rid of all the immigrants. But nothing happens. People keep coming in. So, yeah. What were you going to say? Sorry. Well, is there anyone, do you see anyone on the other side of this trying, like we were really trying to give the devil his due here. Like, is anyone on the other side of this trying to reform what's happening there? You know, our left, which hasn't been completely overtaken by the Islamists yet, the way yours has, although ours is definitely on the way.

33:42Like, I'm always trying to find, like, who's the sane lefty here that could maybe talk to these people? And we've got, you know, three guys, basically. It's Bill Maher, but he's hated by the progressives at this point. You've got John Fetterman, two or three other people, maybe. Do you have anybody on that side that's making a dent against the radicalism? There's a few politicians in Labour who start saying these things. But, you know, what does right and left even mean anymore? Because it used to mean economic. Right, right, right. So if we're talking about social, I guess what you're asking is, is there anybody on the left who's on the right?

34:14And then they're on the right. As soon as they say anything, they're on the right. So there are people I have on. I had a great guest on called Paul Embry, who was a former sort of unionist. He was with all the trade unions and stuff. I mean, that's as lefty as left gets. That's a classical lefty. But they would just describe him as right wing. I mean, I had him in my title as left wing trade unionist, but he was just saying, hey, there are British people here whose entire lives have changed and nobody seems to care. And it's almost, look, when I started with my old channel, it was cults and things like that on YouTube, you know, Scientology and Hasidic Jews.

34:50And I really looked into cults. I wrote a book about them. I was really fascinated by how the cult mindset works. And I went away for many years from England. And then I came back and I came back and I saw, oh my, you guys are in a cult. It's unbelievable. And when I go on the radio and I try to talk to those lefties that you're talking about, or even people who would call themselves conservatives, but they're a little bit old-fashioned and they don't want to sort of say something that might seem impolite or whatever. I had this recently on a channel called LBC. It's like the main debates radio channel in the UK.

35:19And we were talking about the grooming gangs in the UK, which I think everyone watching will know about now, all the Muslim grooming gangs. Now, there are British ones, white British grooming gangs as well, unfortunately, but not at the rate that we have grooming gangs among the particularly British Pakistanis. It is just much, much larger. And the problem we had, as you probably know, is that the police ignored it because they feared being racist. We have that on record. We know that. That is an atrocity. We should never allow these people to forget that. And when you talk to these people, these kind of liberal elites, I should say, on the radio, they will nod and agree and say the right things.

35:56And they'll say, yeah, it's terrible. We should never equivocate about someone's race and the grooming gangs and things like that. However, they will then say however, and they will equivocate in the same sentence. And they did that when I was on the radio. This guy said that. He said, we should never quit. However, you've got to remember that Andrew Tate and the far right and da-da-da-da-da. And I said, yeah, but Andrew Tate's also Muslim. And Andrew Tate's fan base is Muslim and has a much higher proportion of people who follow Andrew Tate who are Muslim. And then they just have nothing to say.

36:26It's just nothing. But it's mad that their answer to try and flip it around and blame the far right is by using one of our most infamous Muslims. It's a bizarre thing. How far gone is your media as it pertains to all of this? I mean, every time I go on the BBC, if I get one question that isn't completely loaded the wrong way, I'm amazed. And actually, the day after Charlie Kirk died, I did do an interview for about a half hour, and I thought it was mostly fair. And I was like, I'm shocked that was the BBC, but it was only because it was within hours of his death, I think. How bad in general is your mainstream media at this point?

37:04The British have a very good sense of, you know, propriety and they believe themselves to be very civilized. So they will probably do better than many other countries when somebody from the other side dies, you know, so that's why you got that fair treatment once ever. Of course, weeks later, the article starts to be written about, you know, oh, he was actually a Nazi or some horrible stuff like that. How far gone? Well, it's the same as you guys. There's the new media, you know, and that old media, you expect them to try and change and adapt because what they're doing isn't really working very well.

37:39They're losing audience. They're losing people. They're not doing that. They're just sticking to their guns. And again, I think it's this cultish system you get in an organization like the BBC. I mean, when I want to interview someone, I just call up Dave Rubin and I say, hello, and we're talking. And that's the interview. Whereas with them, it's like a million different checks you've got to make. After you've done a documentary, you've got to get the legal team involved. You've got to do all of your check on the people that you interviewed afterwards. And all of those things isolated are good things, right?

38:13Of course, you want to check that this was legal. Of course, you want to check it's not fake news. All of those things are really good things. When together over a period of decades, you start to create a really ideological slant and for example look at the trans stuff there's no way an organization now as big as the bbc with all of its lawyers with all of its bureaucrats checking everything could ever give that a fair viewing so i think it is just it's not necessarily bad people it's a bunch of people who work for the bbc there's thousands of them and every other tv channel apart from gb news and talk tv and us podcasters um and it's just the system and it's just going to get worse.

38:52Yeah. I mean, one thing I've noticed they do really well, although I've definitely wisened up to it on the BBC is, you know, when you're ready to do one of those hits with them and, you know, usually doing it online. So you talk to the interviewer for like 30 seconds before, and they're always so pleasant. And with the British accent, it seems doubly nice. And then next thing you know, they're basically throwing you under the bus. So my final question is this, because there's definitely been a theme here. lay out your country five ten and twenty years from now um yeah i had a i had professor david betts he came on he's uh he's actually is he canadian uh but he's a professor in the uk and he um he believes there is a an 18.5 percent chance that in the next five years britain will be in a full-blown civil war within five years.

39:45And he sees it. 18.5 % chance? That's very specific. It was very specific. I asked him why exactly, because I also found it oddly specific. But he was sort of adding each year up and dividing by something. He had a really mathematical way of doing it. Interesting. And he, you know, he teaches, I can't remember what university, but he's an eminent professor. And he sees it, he didn't want to frame it, I guess, because he's a professor at a university, he has to be careful. But he framed it instead of sort of Islamists versus white British or whatever, he framed it as urban versus rural, because we're all moving out the cities, and the cities are now being taken over.

40:20And he imagines all kinds of urban versus rural warfare, which would be like closing the motorway or the highway that runs around London, the M25, and cutting off the power to cities, those kinds of things going on. now that's 18 i don't know that's five years 10 15 20 years unless something radical changes that i can't even predict we will have civil war i i don't even know how it can there's no way no so i don't know look i've just bought a house and i was asking this professor afterwards like is this in a good place and he was looking at it like like if war breaks out and he was like no is this a good place if war breaks out i mean yeah i don't know how much are they selling in Downton Abbey for now.

41:06But he was talking more about, are you outside of that highway? Are you on the inside of it? That's where there's going to be boarded up and you're going to be stuck. Those are real questions we ask ourselves now. Not even to mention, what is it to be Jewish in this country right now? What is it to be gay? What is it to be a woman in this country as rights are continually taken away? So it's a really, really scary place. And I wish I had some positivity to give you. All I can say is it might not happen and I might be wrong and it might just sort of get a bit shitty for a while, but things are just about okay.

41:35And we stopped taking immigrants from places that hate us and want us dead. And we instead take refugees maybe from Ukraine or something where they have a more similar culture to our own. But yeah, I don't know. I worry. And we genuinely are sitting there and I'm going, okay, do I want to buy the house? Do I want to put more money into it? Or do I want that money to be fluid so that if I have to leave in a hurry, I've got that money? I can't suddenly sell the house if we're at war. These are real conversations I sit down and have, the Jewish community, at least half of them, are more aware than most people because they know what this is.

42:08They've seen this before. So the Jews are there with like a suitcase ready, you know? The rest, well, a lot of the United Kingdom, white British people as well. Then there's the whole situation with, are you familiar with the anywhere versus somewhere people? No. It's this great theory that I think is, I can't remember who does it, who came up with it, but people will know and they'll put in the comments. But the anywhere versus somewhere people, I guess you and I would probably be anywhere people in that we are from, you know, middle-class families, or even if you're not, you can travel internationally, you move around.

42:40A somewhere person either doesn't have access to that, doesn't have interest in that, they are rooted to where they are. So all of this stuff that's happening, the way that streets are changing, it doesn't affect the anywhere people like me and you, anywhere near as much as it affects the somewhere people. We can just leave. We'll just pack our bags and we'll go. We hang around in these nice areas. Maybe we get to go on holiday and move. People who are somewhere people, those British flags, which is rare to see in the UK because American flags are everywhere in the US. It's rare. They put up these British flags and finally they felt like, hey, okay, I've got something because this is my home and I can't leave.

43:18This is all I know. They can't just up and go to Argentina or the States. They won't get a visa there. And it's so horrible. it is grotesque to see these kinds of the anywhere people on tv or the liberal elites or whatever shouting at the somewhere people you're all a bunch of racists you're all a bunch of idiots you're thugs and they're sitting there going nobody in my pharmacy even speaks my language right now uh no we're in a low trust society uh i i can't go out like wearing a skimpy shirt or whatever because people are going to say that's you know um it's grotesque watching that happen So I mean, in many sense that you just described exactly what so many people are feeling during Brexit, the same exact thing, being the regular people in essence being lectured.

44:03You know, it's interesting because last time I was in London, the other thing I kept thinking when I was walking around was, you know, if you go to Mexico, now, obviously most people are Mexican, not every person you're going to meet there is Mexican, but like you have a sense of what the culture is. You have a sense of what the food is and what the music is. And the people are somewhat similar where if you walk down the street of London, you have no idea every other person that walks by you while a lot of them are in what bill maher calls the beekeeper costume so you have that you can only see their eyelids and they're usually not looking at you or giving you a nasty look but you just have it's like what does make britain british anymore and that is the thing you guys i suppose we'll have to grapple with besides fish and chips do you know um katherine burble sing do you know i've heard british i do i do i've interviewed her i went i spoke at um what's the school uh michaela uni uh school which was wonderful wonderful uh wonderful place and by the way there were tons of young muslim children there who just wanted to learn and and be in a place of great education and all that stuff it was an incredible experience actually yeah yeah so that's that's it and she's hated by the left that should be the left's utopia but whenever they're actually given the thing they want they they discard it they They hate it because then they don't have any fun work to do.

45:20They don't have people. Well, that's it. You can even see that right now as we're taping this. We're going to hold it for a few days. But, you know, with this Hamas-Israel agreement, it's like they should all be cheering. Oh, my God, the genocide is going to end in 72 hours and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. But nobody, nobody on the left is saying a word about it. It won't be fun anymore. Man, my, like where I live right now, and I obviously won't say, but we do live a couple of streets away from two mosques. so we go out and you don't see another white person not that i need to see white people but you don't see someone who's not in some kind of non-british religious garb you know it would be weird if i just saw nuns all the time just all i see out there is a bunch of nuns i'd be like what the hell is is going on i've got nothing against nuns and i don't even mind muslim people being in their kind of dress and their attire but when it's that many it's it's just it's disconcerting but I don't know why they can't move it and just be like some Mexicans at least do be American you know why can't Muslims move him be British but again why would they because we've told them that we're the worst people in the world we're the colonizers despite Islam being the biggest colonizing force in the world we're the worst people ever and what is Britishness anymore you're right what is it nobody seems to know except Catherine Burble Singh who's not even British who's got this school that is something like 90 % Muslim and she sits there and makes them watch the England sports games.

46:40She waves English flags around. She tells them, you are English. And they hate her for it, the left. They hate her for it. They want Muslims to come in. And that's what multiculturalism is, unfortunately. And that's why it's going to die. And that's why it's a horrible, horrible thing. I used to think when I was a bit more liberal-minded, I was less political, I suppose. I thought what I think a lot of people thought, which is that multiculturalism is a synonym for multiracial. And I didn't understand that that wasn't the case. You can be any race, any whatever, but let's at least try to assimilate to the local culture.

47:10Because if I'm in Italy, if I'm in Turkey, if I'm in Morocco, wherever I am, I will try and do that. And that is actually a loss. It might be a small one. It might be a luxury loss, so to speak, to the anywhere people, because they enjoy going on holiday to Italy and it's seeming Italian and Germany seeming German and so on. And that's completely lost. I lived in Berlin for three years. It does nothing like Germany. I was there for three years. Nothing seemed German. It was just Turkish and Arabic. I don't know why Turkish and Arabic people can't be there and also embrace German culture while giving a bit of their own culture as well.

47:47You know, the Jews have done that as well. Are you telling me that in Arabic lands, there aren't a whole bunch of British people that are having no-go zones and places where they're having tea and that nobody else is allowed? Well, you know what? It's funny. We do have that in like Spain, right? And as you might have in Cancun, for example, Americans going down there. What's it called? Puerto Vallarta or one of those. Yeah, Puerto Vallarta. Yeah, Vallarta. That's it. I went there years ago. Good fun. But I mean, we do have that and the locals fucking hate it, right? The Spanish hate that the British are there with all the fish and chips shops and all the bars and the pubs, the English pubs, and not respecting Spanish culture and not learning the language.

48:29The Spanish hate it and they're right to because it's Spain. And I don't want to go to Spain and just see English culture because then I'll just stay in England. So this is an issue we're having right now that I think the main thing is people need to learn the difference between multiculturalism and multiracial. That has to happen like yesterday. Andrew, I'll offer you the last word here, but I might give a bit of advice, which is that if you are going to think about the United States, you know, we have a communist takeover for many of the reasons that you've just described happening in New York City right now.

48:57I'd say it's a half communist, half jihadist takeover of New York, which means that Florida, one of the two places that you mentioned, is going to be filling up even more than it's filled up. So you might want to get moving on that. How do you want to end this interview so that people don't want to jump off the bridge? I'm just going to jump out the window, mate. I'm just gone. I'm just finished. I don't know. I just want us to raise the alarm about it. I want us to remain liberal in traditional liberal sense, you know, just letting people live their lives, but doing so in a way that doesn't lead to the death of everybody.

49:28I think a lot of people are responsible for what's happened. We can't just be angry. We need to convince them that the people on the left, the liberal elite, whatever, a lot of people, and no one wants to say this, a lot of people on the Jewish left, the Jewish center have been part of this. You know, they have been. I I know that plays into a kind of Gruyper stereotype, but you talk about New York. It's no surprise that it's New York and places like San Francisco and LA. It's obviously not just Jewish people. It's all sorts of people who move to those places, feel like they're all liberal, fuck the places up, and then move to Austin to try and do the same thing to Texas, you know?

49:59Those people will never wake up, but we have to make them try. We have to try to make them wake up. That's what I want to leave people with. Well, Andrew, I am supposedly going to be in London in June for Jordan Peterson's next ARC conference. And unless you fled to America at that point, fish and chips on me. Oh, thanks, man. See you then. Good to see you, my friend.