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1:48An important healing moment. I forgive him. Hopefully forget the hate that he spewed. I'm actually somewhat speechless.

1:54Dave Rubin:Someone has committed a crime and doesn't make them a criminal. If we can blend those things, that's kind of like blending the conservative liberal ideology.

2:26All right, guys, it's September 23rd, 2025. Also year 5786 in the Jewish calendar. So it is the Jewish New Year right now, Rosh Hashanah. I am in Temple at the moment, and we are pre-taping here in the Rumble Studios in Longboat Key. And, you know, I'm thrilled to be here, as I mentioned yesterday. Charlie Kirk found this building alongside Rumble CEO Chris Pavlovsky, who's sitting right over there and going to be joining me in a few minutes. And we'll talk a bit about Charlie and some of the things we were building together and his legacy and all of that stuff. But we did want to do a quick pre-tape episode for you and also just welcome to all of the new viewers.

3:05We've been seeing what's going on with the viewership and the subscribers and all those good things. So welcome to everybody. And I'm glad that it seems like a whole bunch of you have found a little refuge here amidst the madness. because there's a lot of political and social and cultural madness right now. And I think we've, from the comments I'm reading, the tone we're hitting is just right. And it happens to be the way I'm looking at things. So that is nice. I want to just do one or two stories up top. Then we'll sit down with Chris for a little bit and we'll finish up with the rubinreport.locals.com community Q &A.

3:34But the first thing that I wanted to hit is just sort of the fallout stuff. Yesterday, obviously, we covered a lot of Charlie's legacy and the things that he cared about, both spiritually, religiously, and politically. But the media portion of this and the fallout on the political side, obviously is the stuff that ends up framing the way we all look at all of these things. And of course, the big thing that happened post Charlie's assassination was the joke, I guess we're using the word joke, a quote unquote joke by Jimmy Kimmel, where he claimed that the shooter was MAGA, even though that absolutely was not true.

4:11And then it's being reported that he actually refused to apologize for the joke, which if he had done, it's likely that the affiliates wouldn't have dropped him. In any event, there's a big brouhaha where more people seem on the left seem to be upset that Jimmy Kimmel is gone rather than Charlie Kirk is gone. Their gonings are quite different. But listen to this from Barack Obama. After years of complaining about cancel culture, the current administration has taken it to a new and dangerous level by routinely threatening regulatory action against media companies unless they muzzle or fire reporters and commentators it doesn't like.

4:48Now, that is rather interesting. The left, and I would say largely led by Barack Obama, had no problem when Gina Carano was fired from Disney for being concerned about the vaccine. They had no problem when Sage Steele was fired from ABC, Disney, ESPN for comments about the vaccine. They had no problem when Roseanne Barr, who was a lefty hero her entire life, tweeted one thing and got fired from the number one sitcom in the country, also on ABC. We know all the long laundry list of cancellations that they were all about. But what's particularly interesting about that Obama comment is there is no evidence, and I'd be happy to be proven wrong, there is no evidence that this had anything to do with government pressure.

5:39The affiliates were outraged, as anyone should be. Look, we've played you all of the stupid clips that Kimmel has done over the years saying awful things, constantly demonizing half the country. But they put up with it, right? They put up with it. And again, he had a$100 million budget making$16 million a year. That's an awful lot of change for a guy that was basically just doing what used to be late night was the idea of comedy that we could all kind of come around before we go to bed. And then and then you reset in the morning. He decided to cash in on telling half the country that we're Nazis and racist.

6:11Anyway, he apparently refuses to apologize. The affiliates have had it. There's no evidence whatsoever that the government had anything to do with this. And here's Caroline Levitt laying that out. With all due respect to former President Obama, he has no idea what he's talking about. The decision to fire Jimmy Kimmel and to cancel his show came from executives at ABC. That has now been reported, and I can assure you it did not come from the White House, and there was no pressure given from the President of the United States. And how do I know that, Kayleigh? Because I was with the President of the United States when this news broke in the United Kingdom.

6:47We were enjoying the beautiful and spectacular state visit that was put forth by the royal family and the prime minister of the U.K., Keir Starmer. And I actually brought this news to President Trump's attention. He had no idea this was happening. It was a decision that was made by ABC because Jimmy Kimmel chose to knowingly lie to his audience on his program about the death of a highly respected man when our country is in a state of mourning. OK, so look, I happen to take Caroline Levitt's word for it. That seemed pretty clear and concise and honest. You don't have to take her word for it. But there is simply no evidence of what Obama said, that the government is putting pressure.

7:27Now, ironically, if you remember those years when a few people had a cough and we called it COVID, the government, which was run by a guy named Joe Biden at the time, they actually were pressuring big tech to take down posts, including one of my tweets that you all know about, about COVID saying mandates were coming and the vax wasn't working back in, I think it was July of 21. And we know that the government then colluded with big tech to silence people. Ironically, Barack Obama didn't have much to say about it then. So you have to decide who to believe here. But I assure you this, if the government was calling up ABC affiliates and calling Sinclair and calling Disney and saying, hey, we don't this is finally a bridge too far.

8:07We don't like this Kimmel guy. You got to take him out. Well, then that actually would be a violation of the First Amendment. The same way that when the Biden government did it to you, right, to private citizens that didn't have big talk shows or 16 million dollar a year gigs, they didn't say anything. I want to show you one more video before we bring on Chris, and this is from the perhaps last sane liberal in America. This is Bill Maher on Friday's Real Time talking about the rhetoric around some of this and that maybe mocking people's death is a bridge too far, even for the tolerant lefties.

8:42Dave Rubin:Somebody on your network got canned. I think the official term was let go. Okay, this is... Matthew Dowd said, you can't be saying these awful words and then not expect awful actions to take place. Yes, you can. I do expect that. I do not expect awful actions to take place. I think this is awful when you open this window. Like, I didn't like what he said, and what he said was vile and this and that. Irrelevant. Irrelevant. We don't shoot people in this country. And we don't defend it, and we don't mock their death. And of course, Bill's right. And that's what I've been saying about the lowest common denominator, right?

9:22What's the absolute lowest bar, let's say, that you could set? It would be like, oh, someone got killed. I didn't agree with them, and I have to tell you that first, but you shouldn't shoot them. Yes, that's baked into what being an American is, that there's going to be people who are different than you and share opinions. Once you have to qualify, oh, and we shouldn't have assassinated that person, all bets are off. So Bill, to his defense, and he's obviously great on free speech, Bill is doing what we should all be doing right now, which is no exceptions around this, no qualifiers, no asterisks or anything else.

9:53Bill's protecting his own ass, right? There's a lot of people, the same type of people, by the way, that hated Charlie Kirk for all the wrong reasons. They hate Bill Maher for many of the same reasons, usually having to do with the defense of free speech, right? So Bill is protecting himself, but it's also protecting me and it's protecting you. That's the point. Like the idea, and it is good that this, and by the way, it's not cancel culture, that MSNBC got rid of this guy. He said something so profoundly ridiculous. If you say controversial things, you should basically expect this. Bill's right.

10:24You open up that door, you crack open that Pandora's box, and literally anyone who speaks for a living, anyone that takes any position that is slightly outside of what would be a very narrow, narrow over to window, all bets are off. There will be lefties that hate people on the right that will say, well, he said, sorry, I didn't like, I can kill him. And there'll be people on the right that hate what the lefty said. Oh, we'll all just be like, well, you know, they probably shouldn't have started talking for a living because, uh, well, this is what you get. So occasionally someone going away, not having the cushy gig because of something really stupid.

10:59They said is not cancel culture. It's deserved justice in a sense. Jimmy Kimmel does not have a right. We played you that video last week. Eric Swalwell said, Jimmy Kimmel has a right to a TV show. Nobody has a right to a TV show. That ain't in the constitution. I assure you, there's nothing about rights to TV shows in the constitution. And also occasionally, if you're an analyst and you say something completely psychotic, the powers that be might be like, you know what? This person is not worthy of being an analyst anymore, but that guy Dowd, he can start a podcast. We'll put him on Rumble if he wants.

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12:59You mentioned something that I've mentioned on the show a couple of times now, but I'd love to hear the full story around it. That Charlie actually, not only has he been deeply involved in Rumble from the beginning, and I'd love to hear how you guys started talking about that, but he found this very building for you. And so much of what Rumble does now is about Sarasota and Longboat Key and this part of Florida and freedom. And I was telling people how, you know, you started in Canada, let's say slightly less than free. So can you talk a little bit about Charlie's connection to all of this? Yeah, well, first, welcome to Sarasota, Longboat Key.

13:31You know, I'll step back and kind of tell you how I even found this place first and foremost. My parents have been coming here for 20 years as Canadian snowbirds. I fell in love with it. As you can see out there, it's as beautiful as it gets. but uh as rumble was like transitioning into this small company and growing very rapidly late in 2020 and early in 2021 uh charlie not only before i get to the to the longboat key story charlie was actually the first investor in rumble with jd vance vivek ramaswamy um back in uh i think it was like april of 2021 wow i didn't even know that yeah he was in that very very first round and he was out of that group i would say the by far the most active and most interested in that investment round person did you know him at the time or you met him because of the investment i met i don't exactly remember how i met him at that time but it was probably through um the investment this as rumble actually i think i met him shortly after bongino joined rumble um in late 2020 so i he i actually knew him a little prior to uh him investing so even before the the investors and uh you know he ended up joining that investment round back early in 2021 but the most important part was that he was like the most active investor the one that was most interested in helping rumble and most interested in like freeing speech as much as possible, allowing everyone to be able to have dialogue.

15:08Um, he was adamant about that as, as we already know, but he was instrumental in the, in the building blocks of rumble and really pushing that forward and supporting me, supporting this company to get where it was. And then I kind of like, you know, brings me to how we ended up here. Obviously my parents, uh, were coming here and I fell in love with this place and I thought it was the right place. It just felt like Florida was the freest state in the country in my mind. And it just felt right. And I remember Charlie telling me, he's like, I have a place in Florida, in Sarasota. I'm like, really?

15:46And he's like, yeah. So he ended up coming to Sarasota and we ended up looking for offices together. That's how involved he was. He didn't need to do that. Think about this. As an investor, most shareholders are just looking for returns on their investment. And Charlie wasn't that guy. In fact, I don't even, I still think, you know, Charlie held his shares as far as I remember. I don't know for sure. But like, I, you know, I've had conversations with him where he told me he held his shares in the company and he never sold. So he wasn't about that return on investment like the other investors. He was in it for really helping Rumble.

16:24So we go around, we're looking at offices. is we walk into this very building on this very floor and we, we sit down in this like old boardroom. It was like, it had to have been done in the seventies or the eighties. Right. I came here when it was pretty disrepair. Yeah, that's right. And we got, we had a reporter harass us when you were in, when you came with us here. And he, so we walk into this boardroom and there's like tiles on the ground. The roof is falling apart. I think a hurricane just went through and it just really destroyed this building and we were sitting we're sitting in this like boardroom with these old chairs this old wooden table green carpets and charlie just looks around and he's like chris this is going to be the rumble headquarters this is going to be the free speech capital of the world and i'm like all right we're gonna do it and i never looked back we're now sitting in this studio in the building that Charlie helped pick.

17:25And like, you know, I think, like I said, we've had many investors, many shareholders. Charlie was one of the few that really did it for the purpose of forwarding free speech, the actual idea of like doing something great for America. And that's where his heart was. That's why he was in this company. And that's why he helped build it with me. And he never stopped. to like it, we were, we were meeting all the time. We were talking all the time. We're trying to figure out how to, how to do certain things. And, you know, he was always involved, deeply involved. And like for that, I'm forever grateful without him, you know, Rumble wouldn't be where it is today.

18:05And it's important to reiterate that he wasn't like an, an official advisor or anything. He was really doing this because he believed in the mission and he believed what Rumble was doing. Yeah. He had some stock, but like, he didn't have to be wandering around finding buildings with you or advising you or coordinating on free speech events or anything else. Yeah, no investor's ever done that. You know, that's not usually what you expect out of the investor. But Charlie went above and beyond. It was, he really touched this company in a way that I don't think many people know. And you really think about it during that time, Rumble was the only thing.

18:38There was no X, there was no Elon. Rumble was the tip of the spear for free speech. And Charlie knew that. I knew that. This company knew that. And we did something that no other company did at the time. And we stood up for that First Amendment like no other. What do you make of the state of free speech post what has happened to Charlie now? Because obviously we were at the memorial yesterday together. There was a lot of talk. I mean, I think every single speaker said something about his love of free speech. This company is the company lead. I think it's still the spear. I mean, X has helped a lot for a lot of reasons, but there's still a lot of confusion around the algorithm there and you know are things being seen and all that kind of stuff i mean what do you make of the general state of free speech in a time when charlie lost his life for it and here we are defending it you know basically through a tech stack yeah i think we have to understand that free speech is always going to be under attack uh the truth is always going to be under attack people that stand for freedom and freedom of expression um are going to be under attack we have to be brave we have to be strong and we have to defend it it's not gonna we're not gonna have free speech by just sitting around and not doing anything we're gonna have to like fiercely defend it and like in the aftermath of what happened to Charlie you know I got we went through a lot of I'm sure you but myself I went through a lot of different emotions um in in the last week or two with respect to that and like you know obviously the abc jimmy kimmel thing and i got really irritated like you're now seeing people talk about abc that they now you know the trump administration is infringing on free speech and that's just like that's really irritating to me because that's not what free speech is let me let me explain what actually happened in 2021 Yeah, right.

20:38We were defending with Charlie. There were platforms like Twitter, like YouTube that were out there parading that they were free speech platforms. Twitter said Jack Dorsey numerous times they're defending free speech. They were censoring political dialogue. They weren't in censoring incitement of violence. They were censoring political dialogue, conversation about covid conversation about an election. um youtube was doing the same thing facebook was doing the same thing and all these companies were parading that they were going to uphold free speech yet they were censoring thousands if not millions of people millions for sure millions of people on what they could could and could not say that's a first if you're going to parade that you're free speech you're not free speech if you're doing that where were you when it very very simple but Never in that moment was Fox News or CNN or any television show that's in the media.

21:44They did not. They always had the ability to change staff, always had the ability to, you know, remove people, put other people in. And that's what ABC did. Right. His show's ratings were going down. They found this as an excuse to go possibly do it for that reason, or they did it for what he said. I don't know. That's their internal deliberations. But at the end of the day, they're exercising their free speech and their First Amendment rights by letting someone go on their platform. Freedom of association is also a thing. Correct. So it's not even close to what happened in 2021. When you're deplatforming a president's communication to the public, there's a big difference between Facebook and YouTube, which are means of communication to the masses.

22:33Like if you're not online to be able to communicate to your masses, you can't communicate to your constituents. That's like denying someone buying a cell phone to go call somebody. That's the way I look at that. When you're talking about a media company like ABC, who literally like censors and does whatever they want because it's their free speech to exercise whatever they want to say, that's their First Amendment rights. So, you know, it's really irritating to see like every Democrat come out and say this is a violation of free speech. Meanwhile, like Fox News was removing talent left and right from their network over the last five years.

23:12So is CNN. So is every other company out there that's like a media company. But all of a sudden now, when a media company changes talent, that's because they didn't like what he said or because the show ratings were going down. That's not an infringement of free speech. Did you see the there's a meme going around of what Jimmy Kimmel said when Roseanne was fired by ABC for one tweet, even though she was a hero of the left at the time? You know, now the left doesn't love her so much. But he basically was like, you have a responsibility to say the right thing and anyone can decide to hire you or fire you.

23:43It's hypocritical, right? Like this is, I saw one with one that he did with Trump as well. And like, it's just so hypocritical and it's so disingenuous. That's the part that bothers me. We actually here at Rumble, you know, Charlie actually defended what the First Amendment really is here for and how it is to be used. and they're trying to conflate the idea of a media company changing staff to be an infringement of the first amendment no no it is exactly the exercising of the first amendment to change your staff in your own entity every entity has its right to its own free speech however they want to speak and if abc wants to speak with specific talent they have that choice contrary to what eric swalwell said no one has a right to a tv show you have a right to speak freely but not to a tv show So I'm going to end this with the easiest question I can possibly ask you.

24:35Can Jimmy Kimmel open an account on Rumble and do his show there? He's welcome to open an account on Rumble and he can do his show there, but he has to stay within the terms of service, which is not incite violence. And that's what it's all about. Good to see you, my man. Thank you. Thanks for having me. Guys, it's time to strut into the bedroom like your junk just got a VIP invite to the party. Blue Chew's chewable tablets are a motivational coach for your man parts, giving you harder, stronger, longer-lasting edge, like your downstairs just chugged a protein shake and hit the weights. When you pop a Blue Chew tablet, your confidence will be so high that your shadow will call you Big Papa.

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