Is This the Beginning of the Downfall of Nick Fuentes, Andrew Tate & the Toxic Right?

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1:11All right, guys, I'm Dave Rubin. This is the Rubin Report, and it's Friday, which means it's time for another roundtable extravaganza. And joining me today are Rubin Report veterans, one, the co-host of the PBD podcast, and now acclaimed Nazi hunter Adam Sosnick, as well as the host of the Officer Tatum Show, my friend Brandon Tatum. Gentlemen, how are you? Feeling great. This is a very serious show today. Well, Brandon, first off, do we call you retired officer? It's the Officer Tatum Show, but you're not an active police officer. Are you retired in that sense, or what's the term? Yeah, I'm not a cop anymore.

1:50I'll always be a cop in heart. But, you know, people just call me Officer Tatum and they never stopped. So people know me as Officer Tatum. Sometimes I wonder if people even know my first name. But I'm fine with that. You call me Brandon, Officer Tatum. I'm cool with either one. I told people in my production department that, hey, I'm going on with Dave Rubin and Brandon Tatum. My friend goes, it's Officer Tatum. I said, yes, sir. We have once and always Officer Tatum. And Sosnick, I've now dubbed you Nazi Hunter. So let's dive right in because people must be going, what do you mean? He's hunting Nazis.

2:23So there's this collection. Let me try to do this properly. And if I muck it up, you guys can clean it up. There's this collection of what I would just say are kind of douchey influencers. It's what the internet is. I don't know what's in their hearts or their minds. I know they love clicks. I know they love fame. They say all of the worst kind of things to get everybody upset. And it works and it feeds the algorithm. and a bunch of them went to your neck of the woods sauce because you're also the king of South Beach. They went to a club in Miami. This is Andrew Tate and the brother, I can't even remember what his name is.

2:57This is this loser, Myron Gaines. It's not even his real name. It was the douchey frog guy, Fuentes. It was just the worst collection of losers. Here's a quick little video.

3:19All right. So they're very, very edgy. They're playing the Kanye song. You've got Myron Gaines, who's got a shirt on that, you know, basically is a Holocaust denial cookie shirt. He's happy. He's black. It's not even his real name. Hitler didn't love the black. I just want to be clear. I'm actually not outraged by any of this. I think it's all kind of pathetic. Fuentes is everyone says he's gay. None of it makes any sense other than this is what the internet has devolved into. Sass, you guys had Tate on, which we'll throw to in a second, but how did I do in the setup there? I want you guys to add a little something first and then we'll go from there.

3:55Well, that's pretty much what happened. Your description is a little bit different than mine from some of these individuals. Some of them I consider friends, cool with, some of them not so cool with. The reality is I know every single one of them and every single one of them well. and most of them I've texted with or not returned texts over the last few days, it would be so easy for me to pile on and say they're all Nazis. But there needs to be some nuance here, and I'd gladly unpack it for you. All right, so we'll get to that when we throw to the tape clip with you because you did a nice job there.

4:29Brandon, jump in. Yeah, I just think it's, you know, I'm a grown man with kids and responsibilities. I'm married. Like, when I see dudes doing that, I don't really have a lot of respect. if they are trying to position themselves as leaders, especially for young men, it's corny, man. I would never be in a sprinter van with a bunch of dudes playing music like that, going to a nightclub. I mean, I'm a grown man. And especially when a person is claiming to be high value and all that stuff, I just think it's unnecessary. And I don't have a lot of respect for them, but I don't know these guys. So maybe if I met them, I'd think something different, but watching what they did was just super lame to me, man.

5:06Right, so there is this element of just like, is it troll and just pure influencer goo that they're going for? Is there some seriously racist stuff? There's always, you know, it's always stuff about the Jews. But I think what you said there, Brandon, is right. It's like, it also struck me as like, man, you guys are all single, basically. Several of you are either gay or closeted or what the hell's going on there. Nobody knows, but you all seem like you're afraid of women one way or another. I know plenty of gay guys that love women, but like you guys, you're all hanging out thinking you're so freaking cool.

5:37and it just doesn't read that way. But Sass, let me throw to Tate, went on with you guys, I think the day after. So take a look. But if I'm totally honest with you, I don't think that any of them are deeply anti-Semitic genuinely. And I don't think that any of them really thought it through. Honestly, I think they're just kids. I think they're just kids. It gets a reaction. They think they're funny. They're on the internet. They need a reaction. They want likes and they did some fucking dumb shit. That's what I think it is. I think they're just literally retarded. they're not all kids. We know Myron's almost 40.

6:09You're almost 40. Tristan's 35. This ain't kid stuff. I think when you sort of diffuse the situation, they're kids being kids. Myron, who, you know how much time we've spent with Myron. Yep. This, that ain't no kid stuff. The reason you went is because Nick Fuentes, virgin, never been to a club, a virgin and a literal club virgin, you wanted to see him be basically like dance monkey in a club so to speak and i actually understand that but when you show up to a club with the nazi avengers nick fuentes myron gains sneeko you're going to get looped into this and whose head's going to roll first not some not some club kid nobody's heard of andrew tate you're the leader so sas first off you did a bang up job there because everyone knows it's not that fun to confront this nonsense right there when they're on your show and, you know, all that stuff.

7:05But I thought it was interesting because he kept saying they, they implying that he has nothing to do with this. When he tweets out all this Jew stuff or the Nazi stuff or whatever, that it's not him that's doing it. It's their retarded. And it's like, come on, man. Yeah. Well, there's so much to unpack here. Andrew Tate is a man. Tristan is a man. Their best friend, Justin Waller, who I'm very good friends with, is a man, a gentleman. Myron's a man. He may be an anti-Semitic man, but he's a man. Sneeko at this point is sort of like a Disney kid who's been around the internet for 10 years. He's been around the block that he should know what's going on.

7:45But the reality is Nick Fuentes is a kid. Wait, Sneeko? I thought it was Sneaker. He's Sneeko? Either one. Sneeko, yeah. That changes things. Nick Fuentes is a kid, 25 years old, you know, typically hanging out by himself on the internet. and then there's another kid who out of a clavic something who's a 20 year old kid i don't know how 20 year old kids was to get in the club 21 plus uh but that kid's very interesting he's also telling everyone to do meth for so that they can get that's very interesting you know i was very critical of people like kylie jenner you know my whole history history with the kardashians my best friend was the guy chris humphries that married kim kardashian i've been around this world and i met the the younger kardashians when they were teenagers and i saw her you know start to go down the influencer rabbit hole, the Kylie girl, she's a billionaire now, the lip fillers, the Botox, the boob jobs, the fake stuff.

8:38When you're a 20 year old girl, what I didn't realize now dudes are doing that. So now dudes are putting in Botox and lip fillers and basically getting fake titties. What are dudes doing? So that's what's happening with this internet culture. So the reality is this. Speaking of men, can I just unpack what I think is going on here? Sure. Tate is a leader. And, you know, kids are going to follow leaders. Brandon Tate have said that probably the most important thing, which is the biggest thing for me, is who's leading young men? I look at Brandon Tate as a leader amongst men. I look at PBD as a leader amongst men.

9:18That's the same way I look at Tate. And he can go one way or another with this. The challenge is this. my North Star, and I think both of you agree with this, is what would Charlie Kirk feel about this? Because Charlie's not here anymore, and who's carrying on his legacy and defending what he feels? And to me, Charlie's a man, and Nick is a kid. And Charlie is someone that goes outside and debates people, while Nick stays inside and masturbates, looking at whatever images of people. So to me, it's completely different. Now, we talk about the average man. Tate talked about, well, the average man can't get a girl anymore.

9:54The average man can't buy a home anymore. The average man. I said, why should average allow you to do anything amazing? And in my opinion, it's not actually Nick's fault. I mean, he's a generation of kids that grow up on the internet. And my North Star, other than Charlie Kirk, is one question. Have you ever been punched in the face? because there's a big difference between socializing and social media. And there's a whole generation of kids who've never been punched in the face. And if there's no ramifications of you saying the N-word, and if there's no ramifications of you being Jew hater, what do you think is going to happen?

10:34So Charlie Kirk is somebody who's talking about him playing basketball. He's outside socializing. He's in real life. There's a generation of kids that have grown up on the internet who have never been punched in the face. Now, I'm not condoning that anyone gets punched in the face. But when you get punched in the face, you stop saying these things. I dare Nick Fuentes to go out in the middle of Chicago and start saying the N-word. His face might be rearranged a little bit. So that's what I'm recommending. Last point, it was just MLK Day. MLK talked about having content of character. All these kids that are doing content forget the most important word, which is the second word, which is character.

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11:51Yeah, you just laid out so many things that I want to pick up on. And it also, you're sort of getting to why I'm not outraged by this. Like, these are not great people doing things for the wrong reasons, and it's getting mad money and clicks. but I'm not outraging the traditional sense of why they're, of how they're trying to always just because that's what they're going for. But Brandon, I want to ask you something because, uh, Adam mentioned Charlie and I've thought all an awful lot since September 10th of last year, uh, about Charlie. And I think you've really on, you've been on the right side of honoring him where we've seen a lot of influencers go the other way.

12:26Um, do you think there is a connection to Charlie being gone? say Jordan Peterson, who's temporarily MIA right now, Dennis Prager, who took a spill and he's coming back a little bit right now. But we've lost some of the all-stars in this space. Thus, we're getting sort of fed a new version of, I would say, much less impressive stars. Yeah, I think Charlie was kind of like the, I don't know, the plug that held all this back. Because now that he's gone, people are now trying to fill that gap and become the next Charlie Kirk. And these men don't have the experience, exposure, maturity, wisdom, and godly mentality to actually do what Charlie did.

13:07You know, I think that some people are giving, I forget, Andrew Tate a little bit too much credit. I think to young guys, maybe Andrew Tate is cool. But to people like me, I'm not impressed by Andrew Tate. I'm not impressed how he made his money, and I'm not impressed how he leads young men. He's kind of almost, in my opinion, fear-mongering young men into having this mentality. I mean, there's sometimes he does say things to motivate them, but he's creating this environment where young men are being tricked into thinking that it's cool and that means you're successful if you've got a lot of women and you're very boastful and arrogant.

13:46And I don't think that that should be the case. When you talk about young men can't own a home, well, there's multiple ways in order to generate wealth as a young man, home ownership isn't the only thing. Really, you should be worried about, can I invest in property that pay me money, you know, outside of my own residence? So there's ways you can invest in the stock market. You could create your own company. I created multiple companies. You know, acquiring companies and selling companies is the way I like to make money. But I think that I would like to see these men be actual men and be leaders.

14:19And I think they don't have a, I'll use the word North Star, because I believe in God. And there's principles in the Bible that adequately describe what a man should be and what a man should not be. And also how a man should treat women and how a man should view women. And immature men struggle with this. They view women as the enemy. And one reason, because they don't have self-respect and they don't have self-confidence. And then as the immature young man, you go after women for superficial things like how good she looks, you know, how well she's dressed. And those things are superficial and create animosity between young men that don't add value enough to get that woman.

15:04and you know you turn into like a Nick Fuentes or you you know you're unmarried like Andrew Tate and some of these other young men you know it's interesting because so much of this I think also circles around what you mentioned a moment ago Adam which is that you know the three of us are of a certain age Adam I think you and I are you're 49 too or I got a year I'll kill you right now sir 45 you're 45 all right Brandon thank you I'm 38 you're a little younger yeah but but we remember a world pre-internet. And these guys, it seems to me that these guys are all preying on young people who don't remember a pre-internet world.

15:41They had virtually no experience or relationship with the pre-internet world. So everything does become about clicks and bling and all the other stuff. I want to connect that to something here because my friend Melissa Chan, who's been on the show many times, put this up. And it says on X, she wrote, But when a brand new form of media was in its infancy seven years ago, verse, holy cow, what did we do to ourselves? And it's a very famous picture on the left. I happen to be in it. But it's Sam Harris, Joe Rogan, Ben Shapiro, Eric Weinstein, Jordan Peterson, and me at a dinner in L.A. And that was at the height of sort of the alt media and the intellectual dark web.

16:22And what you have there is a group of people who, Brandon, you mentioned these guys don't have expertise in anything sort of. Like you've got a physicist there. You have a world-renowned psychologist. You have the biggest podcaster in the world. You've got Shapiro who built a media empire. But you had this interesting group of people who disagreed on a million things, but were all kind of adults and trying to slog through something real. And as she's illustrating, now we've been left with this. So my question to you, Brandon, is what is it about the conservative movement now that you have so many people interested in influencers who are not conservative at all.

16:57None of those guys in their behaviors are conservative. Yeah. I think what's happening is that the older generation is struggling to connect with the younger generation and therefore there's a gap. And these individuals that we see on the screen that is causing a lot of ruckus, they're filling the gap because the young people see them as being cool and they're speaking to their fears. A lot of young people are fearful of what the dating aspect looks like today, especially for young men. They're not confident, so they can't, they don't know how to, they're on the internet trying to talk to women instead of meeting women in person.

17:33So there's this gap, and the people that are filling the void are the Andrew Tates and the Nick Fuentes of the world. And that is inherently problematic. You know, it's kind of hard for a man that's not married to tell other men what it's like to be married or how to get married. I'm not saying you can't add value at all, but I'm saying it's kind of hard. If a man has never built wealth, I don't really want to listen to them about how to build wealth. I'd rather listen to somebody who's wealthy and who's done it. Not saying that I can't hear anything from them, but I'd rather listen to a person that has already done it.

18:06And these, like, for instance, and I think we're sugarcoating it just, not we, but I think the society is sugarcoating it a bit. Myron is an anti-Semite. He, he, that guy, even if he's not, and he's putting on that he is, that's even crazier. I saw him another day, just flat out say, hate Jews and that Jewish people suck. And all this old crazy rhetoric. And I mean, the shirt is literally Jews in the oven. I mean, that's right. Right. He's making fun of. By the way, I don't mean to dismiss it in any way. You're totally right. I don't mean to dismiss a version of that. I just think generally for, for say the three of us to have a conversation about it.

18:42Like getting hung up on that is exactly what they want us to get hung up on. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We don't have to get hung up on it, but I think the realistic perspective is that a man is immature if that's the way that they're thinking. You go look at the religious perspective of all of these guys. What do they actually believe? You know, I think Myron is a Muslim, which I don't even think he, like the Muslims that I know have a little more decorum and more respectable and they respect their religion and they respect people and they They present themselves a little more, you know, like, I guess, mature.

19:13The stuff he's doing is crazy. What's his real name? We don't even have to call him Myron because it's a stage name. Yeah, I don't even know his real name. Fadoodle, Fadaddle or something? Yeah, but there's a reason why he's trying to cover that up, in my personal opinion. And then you look at Nick Fuentes and say he's a Catholic. I'm real fool. I don't know a single Catholic that goes online and curses and uses that type of language and vulgar behavior than somebody like him. So a lot of these guys are even confused in their own convictions. And I wish that there would be more men that stand up.

19:43And I got to give credit to PPD because I saw a little clip of PPD kind of chastising Andrew Tate about his involvement in that whole thing in the first place. Because he had asked Andrew Tate, he said, would you invite me to that? Andrew Tate said no. And that's the same thing. I feel like men of valor and respect, I would never even call them about certain things. that I know that they would never be involved in. And to me, PBD is an example of what a real mature man looks like. He don't have to be all flashy. He has a wife, he has children, he's mature in his conversations. He's not overly emotional about things.

20:19And people like him and others like that are the men that I look up to. I don't look up to somebody because they got money and they drive a Bugatti. Like that's materialistic things that have a means to an end. I look up to men that have a family and they understand the value of being a father and the value of changing the generation in a mature way and actually having a faith that they can realistically, you know, I guess, back up their argument with and not these guys who are clickbaity and want to be cool. Andrew Tate can't get away with saying, well, I walked out of the Sprinter van when they started playing the music.

20:55You shouldn't be in the Sprinter van. My wife would be ashamed of me if I went to a nightclub and getting bottle service. I'm a Christian man. Like, I have standards that I live by. And I'm not trying to judge anybody on the things that they want to do, but don't project to be this. And then you caught out with these weirdos in a Sprinter van singing the most ridiculous song that I've ever heard. Adam, let me ask you one other thing on this, which is there was an interesting moment where Tate basically was like, you know what? These guys don't really hate Jews. It's just that, you know, we sort of showed this a little bit of it before, but there was an extended version.

21:33It's just that, you know, things aren't great. basically. So they're going to hate Jews. And I thought, you know, there might actually be a grain of truth in that, that when things go bad in a society, you look for a scapegoat and Jews generally are the scapegoat. So there's a grain of truth in that. But you would think again, he might then say, okay, let me look in the mirror. Am I helping or hurting now? And maybe, maybe you will be a gateway to getting this guy to come around a little bit because his implication wasn't, it's not really the Jews. He's going, oh, they're just the scapegoat and I'm in on the scapegoating.

22:02So you're talking to somebody who is, it's very hard to put me in a box because I work with PBD. I'm side by side him every day, the best leader I've ever been around, but I'm born and raised in the Miami nightlife scene. I'm friends with all these anti-Semitic influencers or was, but I'm proud Jew and I'm very much into Judaism and my faith. I was married. I'm now single. I'm now back in the market. I have a girlfriend. So it's very hard to say I'm getting it from both sides. You know, like, you're a Jew. I hate you. And then it's from the Jews. How can you hang out with these people? The reality is I agree with, you know, what's the famous Ronald Reagan quote?

22:48Someone you agree with 80 % of the time is a friend and ally, not a 20 % enemy. So for the most part, I get along with people. I don't have a car. I haven't driven a car in 15 years. I don't do the bling bling thing. How many guys that are multimillionaires in Miami aren't bling blinging driving a Bugatti? This guy. So I collect friends. I'm still friends with my friends from elementary school, middle school, high school, college, football, basketball court. You know, me and Brandon used to play basketball all the time. He was the best. So I have friends and I can find the good in people, even if they suck.

23:23Even Nick Fuentes. I'm like, come on, buddy. Let me teach you how to shoot a basketball. Come on, Myron. Even though you're a raging anti-Semite, I do agree with some of the stuff you do in the red pill content. Come on, Tate. We are homies, but I'm not necessarily condoning some of the things you say or do. So I'm not that dude that's saying, what? I hate you now. That's just not me. So as far as these guys go, number one, it's hard to put me in a box because I'll be in the club just as much as these guys will be in the club. I won't be playing that song. Let me tell you something. I talked about getting punched in the face, getting punched in the face.

23:56That could be verbally. That could be obviously physically. That can be emotionally. Let me tell you a story. And this is what changed basically my perspective on how to deal with people even when you're enraged. when I'm 13 years old for my bar mitzvah I get a bike this is my bike this is my car this is the favorite thing I've ever had in my life because why I have freedom now and I have the part the bike parked in front of my house and these guys come and steal my bike and they're driving it away and all of a sudden it was actually a black guy that stole the bike and this Latino guy shows up with his kid because I they lived down the neighborhood I knew the kid he goes come on get in the car.

24:39We're going to go get the bike. I'm like, okay. I get in the car. We drive down the street and we see the guys trying to stuff the bike into a car. He starts honking the horn. Boop, boop, boop, boop, boop. The guys freak out. They run. I get my bike back. This is my bike. It's my bar. It's a present. I'm so excited. And he goes, come on, drive your bike home. And I'm going to follow you home. We get to the house. I'm freaking out. I'm 13 dealing with a, you know, assault or whatever kind of robbery this is. And I, I come running in the house and I have a very contentious relationship with my dad.