Piers Morgan Clings to Debunked Narrative as New Report Proves Him Wrong

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0:37all right what's going on people this is the ruben report i'm dave ruben it's june 19th 2026 and it's friday which means it's time for another round table extravaganza and i should note i'm slightly off the injured reserve i've moved my giant contraption off the table we've rebuilt something that i think is a little less of an assault on your visual senses uh and Joining me today are the host of the Heretics podcast, my friend Andrew Gold, all the way across the pond over there in the UK, as well as right here in the good old US of A, president of the Brownstone Institute, Geoffrey Tucker. Gentlemen, how are you?

1:17Go on. Sorry, Tucker. Geoffrey. I was going to say that I'm doing just fine, but I'm concerned, Dave, about how this injury is going to heal. I mean, is there no cast? Is there no brace? Is there no... Thank you for asking, Jeffrey. I appreciate a little pity right up front. No, my case is a level three of an AC joint dislocation, which is basically I went to the Dolphins Ortho and the Miami Heat Orthopedist. So these guys deal with this all the time. And basically at level three, it's an edge case of whether you get surgery or not. And usually only the professional athletes get surgery at that point.

1:55Otherwise, you just kind of let it heal. Your ligaments eventually bring your collarbone back down is the hope. And I'm going to do some stem cells and some other things. But before we get to it, since you asked me, I heard you took quite a spill a few days ago. Are you okay up there? I was told off camera that you tripped. Are you all right? I tripped and I fell right on the pavement from standing straight up to like a Hollywood trick, like that, and landed on a knee. And then the knee swelled up with this gigantic fluidy thing. And it seemed very obvious to me what the solution was, to jab a needle into it and suck out all the fluid, right?

2:36Yeah, they removed the fluid. But thanks to AI, you know, I was prevented from taking this obvious step because Grok told me, are you out of your mind? That's the worst idea I've ever heard. Don't do that. You only bring – cause it to get infected then probably have to amputate your knee or something. So I refrained from that, taking that drastic step, and I'm just living with it for now. I've had fluid removed from my knee, but I don't know that I'm in the shape right now to give anyone medical advice. And Andrew, do you have any physical ailments you'd like to get off your chest before we begin this thing?

3:13I was going to just ask what the age demographic of your audience is, because that might change the level of interest in the conversation right now. I mean, we can go on if you want. I had a hamstring injury or something. All right. All right. We're not here to be mocked. All right. Well, you know what? We're not here to be mocked, but we will do some mocking. And I'm not opposed to mocking this fella because, as you know, the big story, you know, obviously the big story of the week mostly was Iran stuff, which we're not really going to dive into too deep today. But the big story I think that people should really be paying attention to is this report that has come out of the UK.

3:52A member of parliament by the name of Rupert Lowe released this report, which covers decades of abuse, mostly by, I think they said 90 plus percent, by Pakistani Muslims in the UK. These grooming gangs that were raping and doing just unbelievably horrific things to young British girls. over 250 ,000 of them. So I want to start with this clip from a couple weeks ago. This is from Piers Morgan Uncensored. Piers just simply did not believe that this was happening. It's fine. 250 ,000 of your women are being raped by Muslim, but it's okay. Again, an utterly ridiculous statement. Go to Birmingham. Go to Manchester.

4:32Utterly ridiculous statement. Go to Manchester. As I've said repeatedly, the vast majority of sexual crime against women in the UK... Lord Malcolm Pearson in Parliament. Don Keith, the vast majority of sexual crime against women in my country is committed by white men. Oh, here we go. You've never heard of Per Capita. I have heard of Per Capita. It's disproportionately committed by Muslims against white Christian girls because it's a rape genocide. Let me bring Chuck in. Okay, as I said to Pears last time he was here, and I have no intention of doing the show again, I don't know how any self-respecting person does this.

5:06Andrew, let me start with you here because it's happening in your country. I don't have to really make it about peers, but he's taken every side of every issue forever. I think that's his key to longevity in the biz. But to the backdrop of our friend Gad Saad's new book, Suicidal Empathy, this knee-jerk reaction when someone tells you something to immediately say, no, but it's the white people that are doing all of this stuff, and throw all of the 250 ,000 young girls. They were literally using their vaginas as bottle openers. That was part of the report. I mean, unimaginable stuff. It's just crazy.

5:42Tell me the temperature in your country and then just answer that however way you see it fit. Yeah, well, I mean, we're absolutely screwed. Yeah, Piers, you're absolutely right. He sort of does all the... I actually appreciate it to some degree because at least he's someone who sometimes will be on the kind of side of reason, whereas most people in our mainstream media will not even... Yeah, and then he takes the other side the next day. But OK, OK. Sure, sure. But it's still better. I mean, we're grasping at straws, but it's better than what we've got elsewhere. air. I mean, I don't know if you saw when I went on there, when I last went on there, it was now a couple of months ago.

6:13And I think the question that was put, and this is an example of what you're asking about the question that was put to the three other people on the, you know, on the show with me on the panel was about the grooming gangs about exactly this issue. And look, if I were a Muslim, I would be saying, guys, look, this isn't what we're that what I want to do is not what you know, but it's a terrible stain on our community and so on. And I think that would be a reasonable answer. They went one by one with these guys, one of them being Jenk. And each of them said, well, actually, what's happened here is that Israel and the Epstein class has invented this.

6:49It's an entire fabrication. It's a fiction invented by Israel and the Epstein class, at which point I just burst out laughing because it's just so utterly ludicrous. So I think we are at a point where there's just no point. There's no point having that conversation anymore. they're so far gone and this was unfortunately inevitable from the moment we started calling ourselves a multicultural society the same thing will start to happen in the states i'd be shocked if you didn't uncover at some point something similar to what we uncovered in the uk it took a very long time there were some people talking about it there were some serious journalists and mainstream journalists not very many though and ultimately tommy robinson who was basically seen as Voldemort in the UK for talking about it.

7:32His cousin was a victim of the grooming gang. So, of course, he took it very seriously and personally. So, it's a very difficult one right now. We are having the most abominable things happening due to having this multi-ethnic society, and nobody's allowed to talk about it. It's a very strange Orwellian nightmare right now. Worth noting that beyond me, Tommy Robinson is also banned from Piers' show. Jeffrey, Jeffrey, you obviously come from most situations from a libertarian, limited government perspective. It seems to me, and I've seen some people say something to this effect online, that as dysfunctional as the UK government is and probably culpable in much of this.

8:09I mean, we're finding out that they were moving papers around and really going out of their way to hide a lot of this because it was politically incorrect. But it seems to me if a government is going to throw 250 ,000 of their young girls under the bus in the name of progressive tolerance or multiculturalism or whatever, I don't know what authority it has to govern at that point. Yeah, well, the fundamental point of government is to protect life and liberty and punish these kind of crimes and not cover them up. Now, not being in the UK, I don't have the context for this particular case, but Piers Morgan's funny line where he says, no, no, the real problem is white Christian males, I think is what he said, right?

8:54They commit the majority of crimes. In the US, we've been hearing this for years. This is what Biden would frequently say. This has been like an incantation on the left, right? Anytime you draw attention to the problem of crime, they say, well, the real problem is white, is toxic masculinity and white males, right? Right, Dave? You agree with that. Of course, of course. So something actually remarkable recently came out about the Southern Poverty Law Center, which turns out to be this many decades-old scam in which they were paying these movements like white nationalists and Nazi groups and Patriot Front groups and National Front people and the Klan and so on to continue their activities to be very high profile.

9:50And so they can chronicle them and raise money based on the great threat that the right-wing male culture, quasi-Nazi, patriot front people meant to the American people. And this line has shaped much of American politics for really dating back decades now. And then to discover, thanks to this DOJ indictment and the grand jury indictment, that the whole thing was a gigantic fundraising scam. First of all, that story has not been reported that much by the mainstream media. But once you mentally process the reality of this and understand the place of the Southern Poverty Law Center in American political culture and the public mind and the dialogues we're supposed to keep in our head, once you understand that the whole thing was a fraud, it necessitates a complete rethinking of our whole concept of the problem, the answer, the solutions.

11:05and the existing realities. And I'm still, like, in my own mind working through this because, you know, I believe, for example, all the Charlottesville stuff. You remember, Dave, I opened up my book, you know, with that story from Charlottesville. And to find out that it was the SPLC that was paying the lead organizer and paying the transportation and scripting the whole thing for theatrics, is so completely disorienting to me that I'm just sort of rethinking a lot of things that I thought... Right, and... Well, and Jeffrey, let's not forget that Joe Biden quite literally said in the video when he announced he was running for president that the reason he was running was because of Charlottesville, that now we know there are two hoaxes.

11:52One is that it was the SPLC funding the group in the first place, but then the second hoax, of course, was the very fine people hoax, which everyone watching this knows... I knew about that hoax because I knew that Trump had referred to – because, like, Trump is not going to be celebrating Nazis. So there was something wrong, right? And if you actually look back at him, he was talking about very fine people on both sides. He was talking about the controversy over the removal of the statue. And he was right about that. There are fine people on both sides of this issue. Should there be a statue of Robert E.

12:22Lee at, you know, whatever in Charlottesville? I don't know. It's up for them to decide. But I'm generally against the removal of these statues. That's beside the point. Right. They were completely lied about this thing and twisted Trump's words as if he was celebrating Nazis. But listen, this SPLC story gets much worse. It turned out they had an employee who was like the paramour, get this, of the – not the grand dragon of the Klan, but he was also on their payroll, but of the leader of a group called National Front, which was like the successor to the American Nazi movement. So an actual like swastika-waving Nazi patriot guy was actually sleeping with and shared a bank account with.

13:17Did you know about this, Andrew? Yes, yes. Not that much about this. Yeah. No, I mean, this is like, this is like one of the biggest scandals of my entire adult life. And so she's sleeping with this guy and has a joint bank account with him. Right. And SPLC itself had set up like a dozen or more companies to launder money, you know, from their donors to pay Nazis and wackadoodles, you know, like to create a theater of hate to continue to deflect from the real problems of this country so everybody would scapegoat, wouldn't you know, right-wing males and toxic masculinity. This actually happened, and they've been working with the FBI for decades on this.

14:10And it's no wonder the mainstream media won't touch this story, right? But all the documents are there. You can look at it for yourself and see what it does to your mind and your perceptions about the real nature of politics in this country. Right. Well, we'll see where the indictment goes with that. But whether it is the grooming scandal that people were denying, as we just showed you right there, Piers himself on his show, or whether it's all the people denying now that SPLC had anything to do with all this stuff, much of it's because the mainstream media has lied to us about basically everything.

14:43And, Andrew, every time I go to you, it's because something horrible is happening in your country. But the other problem you guys have, obviously, beyond immigration and culture and the murders that are happening on the streets, and I know some of them not too far from where you are, is that you guys are also jailing people over Twitter posts when they go against the narrative, whether it's either one of these stories or other things. Here's RFK Jr. on what's happening across the pond. And you look at what's happening in England now, you know, people going to jail for Twitter posts. 12 ,000 people this year.

15:1512 ,000 in the last year. And the Magna Carta was, you know, written and now it's just a dictatorship. Well, they got rid of trial by jury, except for murder and rape and a couple other things. Now it's just a judge. So, you know, whatever it is, if it's a social media infraction, there's no reason. Cozy season is ahead and you'll be spending way more time inside. Is your home ready? Don't worry. With Wayfair, you can upgrade your space without breaking the bank. Score up to 70 % off during their Labor Day clearance on furniture, area rugs, mattresses, and more. Plus, surprise flash deals you can't miss.

15:55Whether it's one room or the whole house, Wayfair has pieces for every style and budget. Shop Wayfair's Labor Day clearance now through September 7th at Wayfair.com. Wayfair, every style, every home. Well, you know, judged by a jury of your peers. No, you're getting judged by a judge. And a lot of it is criticism of immigration, like legitimate criticism of immigration and legitimate criticism of crimes that have been committed and people outraged, which is completely normal. But instead of like doing anything about that, they want to arrest people from complaining. Andrew, I'm supposed to be in your country in a couple of days for the ARC conference that I do every year.

16:35It's unclear whether I'm going just because I'm a little banged up at the moment, whether the travel will be too much. But when I was there last year for the ARC conference, I had dinner with many of our friends who have been on the show. Names need not be mentioned at this moment. And we were all talking about how, for the first time in our lives, we were in another country where we were afraid to tweet what we were thinking. I mean, I remember thinking, I don't want to, I just don't want to get, it's not that I thought I was going to be arrested as an American because I tweeted something. I didn't want to be hung up at customs or the other litany of things that they can create a headache.

17:04I mean, you're a British citizen. You tweet about controversial things. this has to be as alarming as anything else. Yeah I mean I was at that dinner you may remember. I didn't know I didn't know how you know I'm just protecting the innocent here. Oh right yeah just in case I didn't make enough of an impression but I was there. But yeah I mean look it's really hard to work out to what extent I have to worry for example. I've never had a knock on my door. They also know whoever it is I was thinking about this is it some shadowy figure at the top of the police? Is there a politician having a word with the police and saying, hey, you know, you better clamp down on this stuff?

17:42Whatever it is, they would have to make a decision with someone like me, as I have one of the biggest shows now in the UK, or somebody like Constantine or Francis. That's a big decision. Because if they do that, it becomes an even bigger story that becomes front page news, like even more than it already was becoming with some of these ridiculous stories. So I've never had a knock on the door, I sort of almost wish I would, you know, because it's like, okay, get the camera. So it's not that I'm sitting here with the same fear someone might have in Russia. And people also make that point that there are more arrests than there are in Russia at the moment for free speech infringements.

18:15I mean, it's preposterous that we've even gotten to a stage where we can compare or equate them. What I would say, however, is that, you know, I doubt that Russia records all of their free speech issues, so we don't actually know entirely. But I mean, some of the people I've interviewed over the last couple of years around this. It's been like someone got, he was put in a jail cell for a day, a full day, because somebody complained that he was in a WhatsApp group with people from school, and he was critical of the school. Didn't swear, didn't use like racial language. He was very critical. The school complained, and a bunch of police turned up at his door, took him and his wife in front of their daughter, arresting them, a horrible thing, but that daughter's never going to forget that and put them in a jail cell for a long time.

18:59So it's really worrying. And unfortunately, we are slipping towards a kind of authoritarianism. I don't want to just repeat myself, but I do go on a lot about multiculturalism. I think that is at the center of a lot of this. And ultimately, you asked before, what is it that can make a, you know, what right does the government have to govern, really? Or have they given that up? It's a very difficult one. And I think the scary part of this that people aren't really thinking about, not just the government, the BBC, that's supposed to be a state broadcaster. And you can argue about the merits for a state broadcaster or not, but ultimately it's supposed to reflect the culture of the country.

19:32But when the culture is, by definition, multi, it's multi, whatever multi means, well, what is it reflecting back at us? So what you and I and what Geoffrey might be thinking and what most of this audience thinks about the grooming gangs is obviously not what Jenk thinks. And it's not what now five or six million Muslims think. That's not to say that Muslims all agree with it. Of course they don't. But we've got five, potentially more, million in this country, many from other ethnic backgrounds, who just potentially, not all of them, I really don't mean all of them, but many, they don't seem to think this is a big problem.

20:08So what is the BBC supposed to do? It's reflecting the country. The country is becoming more Muslim. Muslims also, if you look at the countries where Muslims sort of, where we don't have extremism and radicalism, We're looking at quite authoritarian, the Emirate States, for example. Another place is Israel. There's 20 % Muslims in the country. You don't have that many problems. You have problems, but not on the level that we have in the UK. But Israel has a very firm hand. So one way or another, we will become and we are becoming a more authoritarian country for various reasons, many to do with multiculturalism.

20:42And I don't really see a way back. Yeah. So Jeffrey, do you see any way back? If you take the sort of two prongs here, One is, okay, they're clamping down on free speech. And then the other one is there is this multicultural problem. Do you see any way for them to back out of this before it gets worse? I did want to ask, Andrew, about for a while on X, there's been this sort of AI-generated sort of patriotic British girl who's trying to rally the public to defend British rights and the British people and the British ways. Is that correct? Am I correct about that? I haven't seen that. It sounds like one of Elon Musk's kind of pornographic models.

21:25Yeah, which side are you on, Jeffrey? Well, maybe. No, it's actually a wonderful thing. It's like you have to use an AI cartoon to say truthful things so they can't arrest an AI. Not yet. Yeah, I don't, you know, I'm so grateful for, I have to say, for the American founders. because they saw fit to implement a Bill of Rights, the first provision of which was a guarantee of free speech. And it's true that variously in American history that's been infringed by governments, sometimes working with private parties, and one of those periods was COVID, right? I mean, all the COVID dissidents were sort of silenced.

22:11But, you know, enough time went by, and that was exposed. and now the courts have been pretty clear that this is a violation of the First Amendment. We have, guaranteed by law, a right to free speech. I don't think that same kind of thing exists in British common law. No, it flat out doesn't. But allow me to show you one other thing from the UK, And then, Andrew, I promise you, we'll stop bludgeoning you with what's happening in your backyard. But there was a there was a stop Islamophobia rally earlier in this week. And when you talk about multiculturalism or people talk about intersectionality or how queers for Palestine is very different than Palestine for queers.

22:58Here is what I believe is a man in a dress screaming about Islamophobia. The race is gone. Off our streets. Whose streets? Our streets. Whose streets? Our streets. When migrants are under attack, what do we do? Stand up, fight back! What do we do? Stand up, fight back! All right, so they're very concerned about the far right, and that's not to say there isn't some, I'm so bored of these qualifications, that there's some element of the far right that might be worthy of paying attention to in the UK. But that was at a rally for Islamophobia, which is Christopher Hitchens. What's Christopher Hitchens' line on this, Andrew?

23:34It's a word made up by idiots for morons, something like that. Something like that. Yeah. But in essence, I don't think Islam would treat the man in the dress very well or allow him to get married at one of their many mosques. Am I just nuts? Am I being a dick? I mean, absolutely not. Although I did hear that. I don't know about Islam in particular, but there are certain countries around South Asia where trans is actually fairly common because they hate gays so much. Iran, for example. Right, yeah. So that does happen. I think, I don't know what kind of daydream these people live in. I don't think they realize how popular books like Mein Kampf are in the Middle East.

24:16And again, it's just part of this cultishness, unfortunately. I mean, with regards to the free speech thing, and I do regret that the UK is so bad on free speech, but there is one issue, and I think I'd like both of your thoughts on this. What happens with that idea around free, because part of free speech is the government doesn't go and look into your stuff, right? So you should be able to have encryption and WhatsApp and Signal or whatever. People shouldn't be looking at what you're doing and all of that. But what happens when, for example, we've got 40 ,000 Muslim terrorists on the watch list at the moment with MI5?

24:51The U.S. equivalent of that, if you took it by population, you're talking about that would be several hundred thousands in your country, plus those people who aren't on the watch list who are just family members, friends, and so on. This is what I mean, where free speech starts. It's a luxury, I feel, until you've made your country into such a precarious place. What do you do then? Well, Jeffrey, let me get your take on that, because I know your position, obviously, on free speech and right to privacy and all of those things. Does this strike you as something that the West is ready to grapple with, that we have these deeply held principles?

25:23And also, we now have people in our country, some illegal, but some legal, who are using our freedoms against us. Well, that is certainly happening. but I don't think free speech would apply to criminal elements. I mean, we have provisions in the law that allow this. I mean, you get a warrant and a judge issues that when it's merited. And so it's not an issue for free speech. So the idea is that the First Amendment generally applies until you misuse it and start threatening others. So that principle certainly works for us. And you would never invoke the freedom of speech to defend the rights of criminals to plot against, to overthrow the social order.

26:08Although we're getting pretty damn close to it, I think. I mean, when you hear what the socialists are saying on the streets when they're out there, I mean, they're basically saying overthrow our capitalist society. They certainly are. It's getting – well, it's been going on for a long time. But, yeah, it's pretty grim. Sometimes I feel like we've turned the corner on that, that things are not as bad as they were a few years ago. When, you know, we often speak of it in this country as like peak woke, you know, which was what? 2023, something like that. And we seem to have turned the corner, knock on wood, on this.