Press Stunned by Trump's Brutally Honest Reaction to James Comey Question

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2:26All right, I'm Dave Rubin. This is The Rubin Report. It's time for another Friday Roundtable Extravaganza. And joining me is the host of The Carol Markowitz Show, Carol Markowitz, and host of The Dana Show, Dana Lash. Ladies, it's nice to see you. How you doing? How's it going? Doing well, Dave. I have to say, before we start, we're just going to catch up on all the week's news. And of course, everything, as I said to you right before we started, everything, even the stories that aren't about Charlie still feel like they're about, they are about Charlie. But I guess maybe before we start, Dana, I saw you at the memorial on Sunday and I was trying to figure out who I wanted on the show this week.

3:02And I just wanted people that are feeling what I'm feeling right now. And I think it's, I almost think it's everybody, but you and I just had a moment and I was like, I've got to get Dana on the show this week. And so since you haven't been on for a while, How are you doing with this whole thing before we get into all the political part? Yeah, that was heavy, wasn't it? I mean, it was heavy and it was a celebration. I know when I turned around and I saw you, there was that moment like it's you kind of have a gut punch. Yeah. Like every like the gangs here, you know, it's just it was that kind of moment like the gangs, most of the gangs all here for Charlie.

3:39And it was just sort of that. I think that shared moment. And both of us were trying to keep the tears from our eyes from spilling all over our faces because I don't know about you, but I'm a really ugly crier. It's just so gross. So I just try not to. So I probably gave you one of those. But I feel like it seems real now, obviously, whereas a week ago it didn't. It seems real. And I don't know if the anger has subsided. I think now the anger over what immediately happened has now transformed into, I can't believe that you're denying, that people are denying the contributing factors as to why this happened, this horrific tragedy.

4:22And I think that's still kind of powering the rage, if that makes sense. It does make sense. Carol, you mentioned right before we started something about how quickly the news cycle is moving with everything. And we all kind of know that, that nothing really has stickiness anymore. But the Charlie thing, to me, this feels like something that is actually going to maybe define a decade. Like there is something so profoundly important that is horrific that has happened here, but just important in our collective psyche. I don't want to let it go. I'm not going to let it go. And I think most of us feel that way.

4:59Yeah, in the days right afterwards, I was trying to hold on to Charlie as a person being gone, Charlie, our friend, Charlie, the guy that would say a funny comment or something really meaningful when you saw him. And he was really good at that kind of thing. So I was very sad about the loss of Charlie, the person, Charlie, the friend. And now it's like Charlie, the movement leader and Charlie, the icon and all of that. It feels like we're moving into that stage where we really lost a giant. And we lost a leader. And it's really hard to kind of recover from that. But about the news cycle moving quickly, I think we need to hold on as we remember Charlie and as we talk about him and as we move forward, that this violence that he died a part of this leftist violence, it's ongoing.

5:46We had the news story that I was referring to that disappeared was the shooting at the ice facility in Texas. And I think stuff like that, it's getting scary and people need to be more aware of what's going on because the news media really doesn't want to talk about it. So we're going to have to keep talking about it ourselves. Yeah, we have absolutely no choice. And we know they do a shell game with everything. So the second we start making some sense, it all gets mixed up again. And so we will dive into the Dallas shooting and a bunch more. But let's start with something else altogether. Although, again, I think we'll be able to connect everything we're doing to Charlie one way or another.

6:23It looks like James Comey might be indicted here. Listen to this from Fox. The Justice Department is seeking to indict former FBI Director James Comey for perjury as the deadline to bring charges looms, Fox News has learned. The probe into Comey centers on whether he lied to Congress during his September 30th, 2020 testimony about his handling of the investigation into Russia interference in the 2016 U.S. presidential election. Under federal law, prosecutors have five years to bring a charge with the five year mark occurring next Tuesday. So actually, Dana, before I have you chime in, here's the line that Comey said under oath that they seemingly think they can get him on.

7:05Do you stand by your House testimony on March 20th that there was no surveillance of the Trump campaign that you're aware of? Correct. You would know about it if they were. Is that correct? I think so, yes. Okay. Dana, it seems to me that I think so is the part that he will probably get off on, right? Like he does not make a declarative statement implying that he did not know. And all evidence points out at this point that he did know that they were spying on the Trump campaign. Yeah, he was very he was savvy enough to qualify his his response there to sort of give him a little buffer. But I'm glad to see this happening.

7:46You know, I know some people were saying, oh, we have to have caution with this caution. That caution went out the window when the FBI, when you had the FBI and everybody knows this whole sordid tale, when they were working with Fusion GPS and they were laundering this oppo research through all of these different journalists. I mean, it's Kremlin Apollo. They're laundering it through. They bypass the regular standard operating procedure to go and get this surveillance warrant to go after people who were with the campaign leading up to 2016, all because of ideological revenge. It's all that's what it was all about.

8:17And there's no way that somebody like Comey didn't know this. I mean, the buck stops with James Comey. So, you know, he he gave himself kind of an out there. And I'm inclined to agree with you on that, that that's probably the way that that will go, because that's sort of the way it always goes with these individuals. They're just slimy enough. They give themselves just enough breathing space to get out of these situations they've created for themselves. But we all know the truth on this. I mean, you had a FISA judge who left her position because of the fallout from this scandal. The Hillary Clinton campaign and the DNC had to pay fines for FEC violations for not disclosing that they were the ones that were subsidizing all of the OPPO, all of Fusion GPS, and ultimately the information presented to the FISA judge to get that surveillance warrant in the first place.

9:03So I don't believe him. I don't think the nation believes him. I'm happy to see it happen. Right. So I'm completely with you. I don't believe him at all. Everything you laid out there, we know is factually true, but your broader point of like everyone kind of skates through, it reminds me of James Clapper testifying under oath. They asked him, you know, are we spying on the American people? And like an episode of Seinfeld, he scratches his head on the top of his head because he's lying. And Seinfeld says, you touch your head, the higher up is the bigger of the lie. And he says, not wittingly. It's like, okay, Carol.

9:31So the, I guess the broader point here is that, is this ultimately what the swamp is? When people talk about the swamp, is the swamp just that there's a system in place so people can do horrible things and pretty much always get away with it? Like, is that the swampiest thing in Swamptown? That is the swamp, right? I'm a poker player, so I can tell you that James Comey is a carnival of tells all the time. His Taylor Swift postings, all of that are telling a story about who this man is. I have to say, though, it's not that I don't think that's the only lie that they're going to get him on. I mean, among other things, he testified that he never approved any leaks.

10:09And FBI director at the time, Angela McCabe, testified that Comey had told him that he had approved specifically leaks to the media. And I don't see how Comey gets away from that one either. Maybe that's considered a smaller lie, but it's still lying under oath. Yeah. So here is Donald Trump on Comey's potential indictment. I thought this was a sort of perfect Trumpism. I think I'd be allowed to get involved if I want, but I don't really choose to do so. I can only say that Comey's a bad person. He's a sick person. I think he's a sick guy, actually. He did terrible things at the FBI. But I don't know.

10:47I have no idea what's going to happen. Dana, I don't mean this to pander. I like Trump more every day. His ability to be honest and over the top and ridiculous and also say the truth and also be ahead of everything, I think years from now, he is going to be studied. Well, there's no doubt he's going to be studied. But the guy has been directionally right about everything. And basically everyone he's told us is a bad person, yeah, it kind of turned out to be right. Yeah, they're a bad, they are a bad person. He's been right. I agree with you. I've known him for a long time before he even ran for office and he was always very kind and very amiable.

11:29He's got a quality. It's an old school quality that you don't really see in a lot of these, you know, younger politicians either, where he just cuts through the BS and just says it like it is. And you know that he's from a different generation, so he gets a pass for it, right? And I think that that all works in his favor. He's always in the suit, even when he's driving a garbage truck, and it works in his favor. He's in a suit at McDonald's. That's just how he is. He's old school. So he's able to do some things as a result of the timing of his birth that a lot of other people wouldn't get a pass at.

12:00But he's also, he's just funny. I mean, he's funny about it. He's very disarming. And I think even for the people that really dislike him, if you actually watched him for any length of time or gotten to know him. He's kind of a hard guy to dislike. Cozy season is ahead and you'll be spending way more time inside. Is your home ready? Don't worry. With Wayfair, you can upgrade your space without breaking the bank. Score up to 70 % off during their Labor Day clearance on furniture, area rugs, mattresses, and more. Plus, surprise flash deals you can't miss. Whether it's one room or the whole house, Wayfair has pieces for every style and budget.

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13:14And then Trump also said, but this is who I am and I am the president of the United States and did it with did it with humor. And in some ways, that was like the I know that Erica's moment really was the best moment. But there was something about that moment where he got us to laugh and then also said something really, really deep within that. I just thought it was incredible. Yeah, it was the perfect denouement to the whole thing, because when she came out and said what she said, when Charlie's widow said, I forgive him. I mean, everybody was shocked. And let's be honest, all of us go, would we do that?

13:46We all kind of took like everybody thought in that split second. Oh, that's a big one. I mean, she's so mature and powerful in her faith. And when Trump said what he said, it was a perfect moment of levity. He wasn't making some sort of he wasn't trying to make a pronouncement on biblical doctrine. but he was like, ah, you know, I hate my enemies. He was joking about it, but we all laughed. It, it was sort of like, here's your permission to laugh your, your, your backside off about this because it was so funny. And we all identified with that too. Right. We're all like, yeah, we, that is true.

14:18So just, it was a perfect way to end it. And he wasn't pandering. That's the thing because nobody there, and I thought junior did it quite well too. Nobody there thinks they're the perfect Christians or are going to church every Sunday or anything else. So they were doing both. And I really thought it's a very delicate thing to balance. And I thought they did it really nicely. But speaking of pandering, let's jump to CNN for a second, because Jake Tapper, a man who has lied about everything, basically, for the last decade or so. Well, listen to his thoughts on why Trump or the administration might be going after Comey.

14:49And just to be clear here, President Trump wanting a prosecution of James Comey, does it matter what the charge is or he just wants his political enemies charged with something. Well, I think to prosecutors it matters. I mean, I don't think that the president is necessarily the closest observer of the criminal law, but I do think that for prosecutors, they realize there has to be a case that they can argue. Carol, I'll try to take, I've been trying to take a little bit of Charlie's spirit for the last 10 days in the show, so I'm not cursing as much and whatever, but like, I am so sick of this Jake Tapper-esque type thing that they do on these shows.

15:21You guys lied about everything. you guys had everything to do with Russia, Russia, Russia and all those things. And here you are portraying Trump as somehow the vindictive guy who just anything on code would just anything do it. It's actually grotesque. It really is. And you know, actually, Maggie Haberman is right in that clip that prosecutors wouldn't bring the case if they didn't think there was a case there. It doesn't matter what Trump thinks. The prosecutors have to say, there's no case here. Sorry, There's nothing we could do with this. So she's absolutely right there. But Tapper trying to put words in her mouth, trying to send the story in one direction when we all know it's going in another direction.

16:01It's very partisan. It's very blatant. And it's why nobody trusts these people at all. Nobody trusts the media, the mainstream media. And there's a reason for that because we know that in two years, Tapper can write a book about what happened now and pretend he didn't know anything. and tell a completely different story, just like he did during the Biden years. Dana, I suspect since that insane town hall that you were part of on CNN after the Parkland shooting, I suspect nothing that happens on CNN surprises you at this point. Nothing, nothing at all. And I think that even any bridge of reconciliation is advantageous for the people over there making it or for the network as a whole.

16:42I mean, that's how suspicious I've been made of all this stuff. Let me show you one other thing, because here's a guy that actually does make sense. Stephen Miller talking about why the Department of Justice may go, well, why they are going after him. We'll see what the fruits of that are. To make on that subject or question, but I'm always happy to talk about former FBI, disgraced former FBI Director James Comey, who of course is corrupt, who of course has been engaged in vast amounts of illicit and unlawful conduct, who, of course, was at the center of the Russiagate attack and assault on American democracy.

17:19There are so many people, Comey, Clapper, Brennan, Monaco, all across the government under previous administrations who have worked tirelessly to try to dismantle our democracy. And it has to lead somewhere to accountability. Carol Miller did just lay out several of the names of, I don't know, 51 former intelligence officials who were on the front page of the New York Post after they all claimed that the Hunter Biden laptop was fake Russian misinformation. Not the New York Post. The New York Post is the good one. New York Times. No, no, no. I remember that. But I remember the front page of the Post when they shamed them all on the front.

18:00The New York Times was - Shaming, absolutely. I should clarify. The New York Times was laundering the lies. The New York Post was mocking all of them. That's the one I'm going for. You know, Stephen Miller is holding some grudges and I have to say, I love it because memories are very short. And Stephen Miller is there saying, not my memory. I remember all these people. I remember exactly what they did. And the fact that is that he has been incredible in this administration. Stephen Miller has been definitely one of the best in this administration. I think he's been just so on point. And this is just another example of that.

18:31He's not letting things slide, which I think they did some of that in the first term. And this time it's a whole new ballgame. And Stephen Miller is there to say, we remember all these people. We remember what they did. We remember how they came after the president. And we're not going to let that happen. Well, speaking of people we remember but might like to forget, Hillary Clinton is back in the news. We'll talk about her in just a second. But first, PDS debt. The system isn't broken. It's rigged. And if you're buried in debt, that's exactly how they want it. Big banks profit when you're desperate.

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20:13They want their point of view there. Right. You know, writing out slavery from history, that doesn't make it go away. You know, we have got to stop with the finger pointing and the scapegoating. we can have legitimate disagreements. Right. Right. I mean, how do you provide quality, affordable health care to everybody? Let's figure that out. How do you deal with what's going to be job loss from A.I.? Let's get working on that. You know, that's what we should be doing, but we should do it in the truth based reality. Right. That we have to live in. You know, facts and evidence have to matter again.

20:48And then we can start having good debates. I'm getting too old for this shit, guys. We have to stop demonizing each other. Then the two clowns at MSNBC are like, yeah, that's literally what they do for a living. And then she proceeds to demonize everyone on the right. Do you know any, do either one of you, do either one of you know anyone on the right that wants to write out slavery altogether? You guys are pretty embedded in the right. I know it's a whole bunch of scary people always counting their money and looking for war. Dana, do you know anyone that's been trying to write out slavery? Democrats because of their involvement in it.

21:23Nobody on the right's done that. I like how she was taking this pot shot at what Florida, what she thinks that Florida was doing. Let's back up for a minute. Carol and Dave, I know that you guys both remember, and this was my earliest memory of the demonization and it didn't come from the right. You guys remember the phrase vast right-wing conspiracy. Of course. He literally created that phrase. That's what she called all of the people that were coming after her husband in the wake of Whitewater with the Paula Jones and the Jennifer Flowers and all of this other stuff, Juanita Broderick, who's very vocal on X.

21:54That's what she called everybody who was criticizing her husband. Then remember, she called the women that had been victimized by her husband, quote unquote, bimbos. Then it went from there. So that is my earliest memory of the demonization that began, and it didn't begin on the right. It's always coming from one way. We disagree and we might, you know, be upset with someone's facts, but we don't react the way that the left does. And we don't call people that we disagree with bigots or Hitler or Nazis or diminish anything by adopting it and accusing our opponents of the worst moral failings of the modern era.

22:32We don't do that on the right. One of the things I've been trying to explain to people for the last two weeks is to that point that there's a fundamental difference when you call people Nazis and fascists versus when we call them socialists because they call themselves socialists. Bernie calls himself a socialist now. Mom, Donnie calls himself a socialist. It's a fundamentally different piece of the equation that never seems to be lost on these people or that I guess is always lost on these people. But, Carol, if we were trying to really, like, give Hillary every benefit of the doubt there, if we really were trying, is there anything there?

23:08Is there anything there that we could go with? No. Other than the fact that she's still in her wounds, that she'll never be president, other than the fact that she's completely still lost in that that happened to her, there's no excuse whatsoever. I also had the Dana point of vast right wing conspiracy because that's my first memory of Hillary Clinton on the political scene. And she hasn't improved at all since then. And the slavery comment that is meant to take a shot at Florida and it had obviously nobody was ever writing out slavery out of the history books. This is the kind of lie that they tell the American people that riles up the crazies, that leads to the violence that we see.

23:48They need to stop it. And there need to be some grownups in that party saying enough of this kind of conversation, enough of this kind of rhetoric. You're getting people hurt because you're lying to the American people. And to that point, it's a great segue, actually. This is a really crazy thing that happened this week, especially to the backdrop of Charlie. There's a group of young kids. They're Trump supporters, basically, that are trying to replicate, it seems like, a bit of what Turning Point was doing on college campuses. They put on MAGA hats and they set up a table. This is kind of like a Steven Crowder thing.