'Real Time' Crowd Goes Quiet as Bill Maher & Ben Shapiro Have a Tense Exchange About Charlie Kirk

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24:19But of course, that doesn't mean that the culture around everything shouldn't be looked at, right? That's what we started at the top. If you keep calling Trump Hitler and his supporters Nazis, someone might get involved. Now, that doesn't mean, unless someone says, go ahead and pull the trigger, it doesn't mean we should be chilling free speech. But we should, I guess it would be incumbent upon any of us, especially those who do something like what I do for a living, to be perhaps a little more thoughtful. I think that's a fair way to put it. This is a, listen to this tweet from Charlie. This is from, what's the date on this?

24:53We'll check the date in just a second. But this is from a few months ago. assassination culture is spreading on the left. 48 % of liberals say it would be at least somewhat justified to murder Elon Musk. 55 % said the same about Donald Trump. In California, activists are naming ballot measures after Luigi Mangione. The left is being whipped up into a violent frenzy. Any setback, whether losing an election or losing a court case, justifies a maximally violent response. This is the natural outgrowth of left-wing protest culture, tolerating violence and mayhem for years on end. The cowardice of local prosecutors and school officials has turned the left into a ticking time bomb.

25:33Okay, so that's basically exactly the same thing that Ben said. If you're in everything for the revolution, if you think someone says America's fundamentally good and you think that that's an attack on you or boys and girls are fundamentally different, you think that's an attack on you, everything is worth exacerbating. So that tweet, that very chilling tweet about assassination culture from Charlie was just from this past April. But okay, so Ben and Charlie are making the exact same point. I think you guys understand what that is. They constantly, right? Like how many people defended Luigi Mangione?

26:05The kid shot a healthcare executive in the middle of Times Square because he had his frustrations with healthcare. Now, nobody is saying the healthcare system is perfect, but once we say, okay, well, a little vigilante justice is okay. You think there's a problem with healthcare? I can just shoot a CEO. yo, oh, you don't like the way people are talking about trans issues? I can just go ahead and shoot Charlie. Everyone on every which side. I mean, this is the danger of what the left has done. And it is not an equal. I know they desperately right now want to make it seem like people on the right do the same thing, that they gin up everybody to start thinking that they should shoot people.

26:43But it is simply not true. It is not a 50-50 equation. and to prove that. You know, I was a little hesitant when we were going through the run through this morning about this because there are so many videos of usually mostly young people celebrating Charlie's death and it's a lot of TikTok and dancing and all sorts of craziness. And I don't think it means that it's everyone on the left. But over the last couple of years, as we've watched all of the quote unquote sane liberals, so the Tulsi's and the Rogan's and the Musk's and everybody else, as they've left, Like, when I always say the inmates are running the asylum, well, yeah, the inmates are running the asylum.

27:23Dave Rubin:I just wanted to play a bit of music to commemorate the life, the now-ended life, of Charlie Kirk. And I hope you'll all join me in this meaningful moment.

27:42Dave Rubin:Charlie Kirk. Nothing to do with Charlie Kirk. I would say pour one out for Kirky boy, but I don't waste good beer on little bitches. I haven't posted on TikTok in a long time, but I'm gonna now because rest in peace bozo! Charlie Kirk just got put down like a dog in Utah, and I could not be happier. Praise f***ing me. I do not, and I will not, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever feel... Hey, Chicagoland! The Wayfair store is in your neighborhood at Edens Plaza and Wilmette. Finally, you can feel the fabric, sit on the sectionals, and even open the refrigerators. Plus, our in-store designers will help you bring it all together with free, one-on-one design support for any project on any budget.

28:32Dave Rubin:Yep, we said free. Oh, and did we mention the cafe? So what are you waiting for? Come see all that's in store. Visit the Wayfair store today at Edens Plaza and Wilmette. Wayfair, every style, every home. I feel bad when bad people get what they deserve. I'm not sorry for not mourning Charlie Kirk's death. It is insane to say. I want to dedicate this next one to an absolute piece.

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29:10freaking palestinian flag in the back of course um look nobody should go after any of these people obviously i've said it again it's and we're gonna have to stop saying it like i personally do not endorse violence i know people watching this do not endorse violence and again i was a little hesitant on doing that segment because there's, believe me, there's way more and there are plenty that are way worse than that, but these are random people. You know, they all have that same affect and they all kind of look the same and you can sort of see how it's connected to the gender thing and all of that stuff.

29:43But try to imagine, I mean, to prove the asymmetry here, I don't even know who the equivalent of Charlie on the left was. Like they don't have great communication. There's no, I mean, I don't know anyone, please, please put it in the comments if you can think of somebody, somebody on the left who was going to college campuses to thoughtfully explain themselves and welcome conservatives to then debate them. Like there's nobody. But if that magical person had existed and then they were assassinated, do you think conservatives, it's not even conservatives, do you think most of us, whatever we all are now, and the younger versions of all of us would be putting up those videos celebrating it?

30:18Like there is a fundamental difference here. And to illustrate how the system, these people, everything is about the system. Everything is always about the revolution. What's the line that James Lindsay uses about this? The issue is never the issue. The issue is always the revolution. Meaning whatever happens, like, you know, there's always the new thing. So you have to put up a black star for this on your Instagram and whatever the new thing is. It's BLM today and George Floyd, and then they just move it on to the new thing. And then it's COVID. You better wear a mask or you're going to kill everybody.

30:46Like there's always a thing, but the issue is always the revolution. At the end, how do they destroy the system a little bit more. So now I want to show you this because this is just to show how wokeness has infected the institutions. It starts by breaking the brains of young people, and then it breaks the institutions. This is absolutely wild. So the incoming president of Oxford Union is the most prestigious debate society at Oxford, all the way across the pond, literally in the world. I was there, what, eight months ago, and I'm very proud to say that I won my debate. You can see me standing there in front of my Muslim tribunal.

31:21And I'll tell you a bit more about some of the behind the scenes there. But look at this. This is from the incoming president of the Oxford Union, which is all about debate. George Aberoni. Charlie Kirk got shot. Let's fucking go with the prayer emoji, all in caps, scoreboard FN. And there were a couple other statements he made. Now, I want to, before we have more on him, I want to show you my, so he's the incoming president of Oxford Union. So when I was there just a few months ago, defending free speech, defending the right to be offended, making a point about how we cannot allow this to go to the people who would choose to be violent.

32:00He was not the president of the time. Let me just show you a small portion of that speech and then we'll have more on him. Oh, oh, we're just doing an image. Okay. Actually, we'll, we'll do the video tomorrow. um now interestingly before i so in in since we didn't show you the video and just the image i will tell you that when we were there um it was while i was honored to be there and i'm very glad that i did it and i'm really proud that we won our defensive free speech um i have to say the place itself was so obviously fallen to the woke ideas the there was a massive trans flag in the library at Oxford.

32:38That was the only flag that was there. The amount of young people, including the girl who's behind me in that picture, who is a young, she told me she was a Pakistani immigrant, first generation were her parents, and that all she votes for is to free Palestine. It had been so infected that place. And now the president of Oxford Union, George Aberoni, is clearly fine with political violence. As a matter of fact, here's a throwback video of him speaking at Oxford Union talking about just that.

33:09Dave Rubin:To effectively create change in the world we desire. And Sideprop will argue that at times there is simply nothing else that can be required other than violent retaliation. And this is a view I wholeheartedly agree with. The view that some institutions are too broken, too regressive, too oppressive to be reformed, like cancers of our society. They must and they should be taken down by any means necessary. By any means necessary. Now, again, this gets exactly to Ben's point. If you think that the system is evil and oppressive, what would you do to fix the system or at least burn down the system?

33:48Well, he told you right there, by any means necessary. Well, that includes the means that Tyler Robinson just took, what, five days ago. So if the system is oppressive enough and who gets to decide if the system's oppressive enough? Well, it's always these guys. So this is very, very dangerous that even though in my estimation, Oxford is no longer what it was, it was completely infected, that they could consider putting someone who is for violence. He celebrated the murder. He's going to try to be the president of the most important free speech society on planet earth. and he was glad when someone was killed over their speech.

34:31Do you understand why this cannot be allowed to happen if Oxford has any shred of decency left, which I'm not sure that it does? Listen to this from GBN. Oxford Union president-elect launches new attack on Charlie Kirk as he says, my words were no less insensitive than his. Except Charlie Kirk never once celebrated the death of anyone. Charlie Kirk never said by any means necessary to accomplish his political goals. But this is the asymmetry of these people. Now, there's a bit more on this story. This is from Chris Rose, who's an ex-commentator, breaking, University College Oxford will not expel George Aberoni.

35:09They're allowing their reputation to be tarnished by keeping someone who has shown themselves to be a dangerous, overgrown child. Shocking decision by labor peer. Okay, so I can't say I'm surprised here, actually, because I'm telling you the place had really become infested with all of the wrong ideas. But it's important noting when you look at how did this all happen? How did we radicalize all these people? And oh my God, they're doing this on Discord and everything else. Well, they're also now literally going to places like Oxford, which should be perhaps the most elite university on the planet, and being encouraged or having a president of the debate society who says you can kill people over words.

35:50Well, it's also happening back here in our country. This is wild. These are some tweets by Jay Perk. This is incredible, incredible. Who is the director of race and equity at UCLA. And this is post Charlie dying. This is not tweets, sorry. These are what he posted on Blue Sky. You can't force people to mourn someone who hated us no matter how he died. Okay, well, that actually is true. You can't force anyone to mourn anyone, that's true. It is okay to be happy when someone who hated you and called for your people's death dies, even if they are murdered. Well, I would say that, look, again, he can say these things.

36:27It's about what his job is. And also he's wrong. Charlie didn't hate anyone. And I don't think, I have no instance of Charlie calling anyone for anyone's death. And then he retweeted somebody who said he, meaning Charlie was their Rush Limbaugh replacement. He wrote, yup, good riddance both. So he, this is the director of equity, diversity and inclusion at UCLA. and he is clearly celebrating the death of somebody he doesn't like. He's entitled to his opinion, but UCLA as an institution, you know, when we talk about cancel culture, has to decide, do you want this person being a representative of your institution?

37:08Well, when these tweets got exposed, listen to this from Corey DeAngelis, breaking, UCLA just took down their entire webpage for their Office of Equity, Diversity, and Inclusion after I exposed their race and equity director's disgusting comments about Charlie Kirk's assassination, but the internet is forever. And as you can see, there he is, this Jonathan Perkins guy. I think I might've said the wrong name at the top. I was referencing the guy who tweeted it. It gets even weirder when you see some of these responses. So remember, so someone like this, who's celebrating Charlie's death, he works at the DEI, the IE actually, department at UCLA.

37:46Well, it makes you wonder, what type of people did he bring in there? What culture did he bring in there? And then young people go to these schools and are taught all of these horrible things, and they're told that system is against them, and that political violence kind of is okay. That is it. This is a wild video. So TMZ was live on air when it was reported that Charlie Kirk died, and some of their employees started cheering in response, which they then had to slightly walk back, but you You can see what happened here very clearly. Janet, go to have somebody look at the Fox. Trump just posted that Charlie Kirk is dead.

38:40Okay, so they're pretending it had something to do with the car chase. obviously that's just not true. What's the TMZ guy's name? Does anyone remember his name? Howard something? Harvey something, whatever it is. Like you could see he's affected by it, but this is what wokeness is. You bring these people into your institution. Imagine, look, I largely know my employees' political opinions, but I have no doubt that we disagree on some things or whatever else. But imagine if I had someone working in my system, in my company, who would cheer Charlie's death. Like, just imagine how else that might affect things around here.

39:15So Harvey better think about employing some of those people. Here is a supercut of media and political people on the left just with terrible, terrible takes on Charlie's death. We don't know if this was the supporter shooting their gun off in celebration or so we have no idea about this. But following up with what was just said, he's been one of the most divisive, especially divisive, younger figures in this who is constantly sort of pushing this sort of hate speech or sort of aimed at certain groups. And I always go back to hateful thoughts lead to hateful words, which then lead to hateful actions.

39:53Dave Rubin:What I do know for sure is that, you know, Charlie was someone who once said, you know, guns save lives after a school shooting. Charlie was someone who was willing to debate and downplay the death of George Floyd in the hands of Minneapolis police. I think he called him a scumbag. You know that people, especially me, having done criminal defense, most offenses like this were personal. Do you know Charlie Kirk? Yeah, I do. And what do you think of what happened to him? You know, sometimes revenge is a dishpest or cold. I hate to celebrate someone's death, but when you talk about guns rights and you talk about how much the second man is to you and it impacts you, like, what do you expect, you know?

40:44Dave Rubin:Sympathies to his family, but this is why we need gun control. One of my friends said on social media he died in a world that he wanted. Yeah, he said it himself, right? We think that our president will at least make an attempt to bring us together, but he didn't. President Obama did. President Biden did. Presidents Bush and Clinton did. President Trump did not. Instead, he blamed Democrats for their rhetoric. There's so much disgusting stuff, and obviously it's going to be an endless slow drip of it that comes out. First off, they all lie about Charlie's positions. Also, this notion that Charlie said something.

41:19There's a quote of Charlie's where he said that some gun deaths are, in essence, are going to be the sort of offshoot result of having people have guns, meaning if you defend the Second Amendment, then is it possible that some people, innocent people, are going to be killed because of guns? But the obvious answer is yes. You know, one of the things that doesn't mean we shouldn't have the Second Amendment. That doesn't mean you shouldn't be able to defend your family and your property and your way of life. Right. The founders understood that. What Charlie was saying was, yes, there's nothing, there's no perfect system.

41:55So if to have a Second Amendment, it is baked in that some bad things are going to happen. So all these people are like, see, and then it happened to him. But that doesn't mean we shouldn't have the Second Amendment. He actually was explaining something in a very deep way. It's a very true thing to say that bad things are going to happen, right? Versus the left, which is like, oh, okay. So what would be the easiest thing to say? Well, take away the guns and then there'll be no violence. And it's like, no, that is just simple. It's just low level. What do I say? It's like the thin veneer. You peel it and then there's just not, there's either something very nasty there or just something that hasn't really been thought out.

42:29Now listen to these two headlines. These, we had to double check to even just confirm that they weren't AI written. Like these are insane. First one's from Reuters. Charlie Kirk's rhetoric often involved anti-immigration and anti-LGBTQ remarks, and his views often aligned with far-right elements of the Republican Party. His rhetoric engendered strong feelings. Well, it did engender strong feelings because he was talking about, in things that were important to talk about, anti-immigration. He wasn't anti-immigration. He was anti-illegal immigration. And as for the LGBT stuff, again, this is where I think the Ls and the Gs and the Bs, you better freaking separate from the Ts because these things have nothing to do with each other.

43:11Did Charlie personally have a religious view of traditional marriage? He did. Was he actively campaigning to stop gays from getting married? Not only no, he was welcoming, there are many videos of it, he was welcoming young gays into the Turning Point movement, into the Wide Tent America movement. You're allowed to have your own personal beliefs about things. And now if you thought that one was bad, listen to this one from The Nation. Charlie Kirk was an unrepentant racist, transphobe, homophobe, and misogynist who often wrapped his bigotry in Bible verses because there was no other way to pretend that it was morally correct.

43:51I wonder where you people at The Nation get your morals from. They have 1.1 million followers, by the way, and I suspect that they're probably going to be in a bit of a legal kerfluffle after putting up something like that. he had his views he defended those views it doesn't mean they were all right or anything else but they're the for them to put all of those meaningless buzzwords do you guys still not get it the so if someone else can you put the put it back up the nation one so whoever picks up the mantle from charlie or whoever largely believes in charlie's ideology that means you're racist you're a transphobe you're a homophobe and you're a misogynist and you just and the bible is just your excuse for all of those things.

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46:23All of these things. And then you can just sort of see the stew that leads to something like this. Take a look. Let me ask you tonight. Do you think Donald Trump is a fascist? Yes, I do.

46:33Dave Rubin:This is what kicking the sh** out of fascism looks like. Try to prevent the spread of the lawlessness and the fascist chaos that's been unleashed against us. So when we say Donald Trump is a fascist, fascism, a huge component of fascism, is uniting racism, bigotry, a form of racist nationalism. This is, we are now living in a fascist dictatorship. We are worried about potential rise of fascism in this country. We're worried about our democracy falling to an authoritarian and potentially fascist form of government. Not only to roll over to Donald Trump's will, but to roll over our democracy and allow him to take over this country as a fascist dictator.

47:22Dave Rubin:When fascism isn't just coming, it's already here. The former chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Mark Milley, said, no one has ever been more dangerous to this country than Donald Trump. And he is a fascist to his core. I mean, that man could be vice president right now. Do you realize how insane, how close to the edge of the abyss that we actually got? Now, there you have mainstream media people. You have politicians. We know that there was a huge, we'll have more on this in a second, but a huge amount of this is being sparked online where they say the worst of all things about Charlie and Ben and me and Bill Maher, like you're never liberal enough for the libs, right?

48:00You're never left enough for these people. But again, what, if you were being hit with that information all the time, what would you do? I also want to make a point about, you know, I call a lot of these people socialists all the time. They are socialists. Remember years ago, they were Democrat socialists. And I kept saying, well, one day they'll just drop the Democrat part. And they have now, right? Mamdani is a socialist. Bernie Sanders doesn't have a problem saying that he's a socialist. And they'll veer into, they'll fully say they're communists and Marxists now too. There's a fundamental difference when we're saying, oh, these people are socialists, right?

48:36Like it is what it is and they acknowledge it versus these people are Nazis when they don't identify as Nazis and don't behave like Nazis. So again, there is no symmetry between the way the two sides behave. Now we're going to show you another compilation in just a sec, but I want to start with this because this is a video from, I think about two years ago. It is The View. We're doing The View. It's a Monday. Real quick. I think it's our only clip of The View today. Joy Behar talking about a turning point USA saying that Charlie invited neo-Nazis there. Watch this and then I'll explain how profoundly absurd this is.

49:15Dave Rubin:They were out there, the Nazis were in the front of, out there in front of the conference with anti-Semitic slurs and the Nazi swastika and a picture of a so called Jewish person with exaggerated features just like. Joy, Joy. Okay, she goes on and on there. She said they showed up out there. The implication is that they showed up, and she muddled her words as she said it. The implication being that, oh, neo-Nazis showed up to a turning point event. Except they weren't allowed in. They were not brought on stage as speakers. Were there people with swastikas and bad caricatures of people who probably have all sorts of odious views outside?

50:02Protesting, this is the irony. They were protesting, Charlie, and they were protesting Turning Point because he was not allowing them in the movement. A few years ago, when I was still doing events for Turning Point, I just haven't over the last couple of years because life changed and got busy and I just don't travel as much as I used to for these one-off gigs. But when I was doing a lot of the college events for Turning Point, there was a period where the neo-Nazi contingent, they were sending people to our Turning Point events. I would always do the same thing Charlie did, which was you invite them to argue with me first, which once you do that, Most of them kind of just scour into the shadows.

50:39But the point is they were not part of Turning Point. They were going to Turning Point events to attack Turning Point. Joy-less. Here's a compilation of mainstream media labeling MAGA as Nazis. This was not hard to come up with.

50:54Dave Rubin:Our only opportunity, our only chance to save our democracy is to fight fire with fire right now. So we're in a war right now to save this country. And so you have to be willing to do whatever is necessary in order to save the country. We have to start calling his supporters racist as well. That MAGA symbol has come to represent something. It is the new Nazi symbol. It is the new hood. Because they're not a party, right? They're Sinn Féin to the IRA. They're the PLO to Hamas. They're a dime storefront for a terrorist movement. The Republican Party is basically a domestic terrorist cell at this point.

51:30Dave Rubin:And they should be treated as such. There are elements of the GOP that are starting to look like the jihadists. You get up in the morning and you doom scroll through things. And although I will say this, the last few days you woke up thinking there might be news. Just saying, just saying, there will be news sometime. Just so you know, there will be news. Violence doesn't come from Democrats, just to be clear. I mean, obviously anyone can be a criminal, but it is MAGA. It's specifically MAGA faction. So again, I mean, I know this is old hat to a lot of you, but look what the rhetoric of these people does.

52:08It creates conditions for awful things happen. I mean, the sickest of all of those is Tim Walz and that one wasn't, that one's from what, three weeks ago or something where he was hoping you doom scroll that, oh, we thought Trump was dead for a minute and he will be dead soon enough. This is a man who was almost assassinated about a year and a half ago. Like, it's absolutely deranged. Now, here is a supercut of Pelosi, AOC, Schumer and Biden being total hypocrites and claiming that it is the right who pushes violence.

52:35Dave Rubin:People don't have any intention of saying something that's going to lead to something dangerous. But we cannot take responsibility for the minds that are out there and how they hear it. Right wing incitement of violence against trans Americans in this country because they cannot let go of this obsession with fixating violence and inciting violence against trans and LGBT people. In addition to immigrants, in addition to women of color. The bottom line is this is a time that all Americans should come together. Coming together is what we ought to be doing, not pointing fingers of blame. I want to speak to you tonight about the need for us to lower the temperature in our politics.

53:23And to remember, or we may disagree, we are not enemies. We're neighbors. We're friends, co-workers, citizens. And most importantly, we're our fellow Americans. Donald Trump and the MAGA Republicans represent an extremism that threatens the very foundations of our republic. Trump and the extreme MAGA Republicans quote a clear and present danger to our democracy. Okay, so we all know the rhetoric with these people. On one hand, it's all, we're tolerant and diverse, blah, blah, blah. And then every chance they get consistently, it is to say the worst possible things about groups of people. And I hate to tell you guys, but you and I are in those groups of people.

54:07That's one thing. Joseph just reminded me, and we will try to find video of this, but I did a turning point event at Arizona State University with Michael Shermer. This has got to be around 2018, 2019. And there was a self-avowed trans-Nazi in the crowd because I asked the crowd jokingly. I used to go on stage and I'd ask people, how many liberals are here? And a few people applaud. How many libertarians are a lot of people? How many conservatives? A lot of people applaud. And then I would say, how many Nazis are here? And usually just crickets and then people laugh. But one time I said at this Arizona State thing, it was a turning point event.

54:41I said, how many Nazis are here? and a woman, what appeared to be a woman, was clapping in the background. I said, well, that's, and then the crowd kind of laughed and then it got very awkward. And I said, well, you know what? We'll take your question first. And that's what Michael Shermer and I did. And she went on crazy Holocaust, she, he, whatever, went on crazy Holocaust denial stuff and everything else. Oh, it was 2015. All right, we're gonna try to find some video of that. Anyway, when you ramp up the rhetoric, and I'll do a little mea culpa here. Have we all been guilty in some sense? And I mean this for literally everybody.

55:14Do we use buzzwords and blah, blah, blah? Have we all been guilty in some sense of some of this stuff? Sure. But again, it is not symmetrical. What the left has done to demonize all of us is way, way worse. So on Friday, I was on Piers Morgan's show. It was an hour-long tribute to Charlie. And when I agreed to do it, I'm not that interested in doing Piers' show that much anymore because find it just turns into a shout fest but when they asked me to do it for charlie i agreed to do it and then i saw that my old boss jank of the young turks was going to be on and i was ready to bring receipts you know i always tell you guys i like when people bring receipts when ted cruz goes on the view and pulls out a paper and explains why they're a bunch of liars when people actually read their own words back to them so we started doing the show and jank was being all kumbaya and oh my god and trump's not hitler and all of these things and charlie wasn't hitler and everything so I was ready because it is.

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56:51But you have to kind of admit perhaps that you were part of the problem. So to get up there and say, well, now we all want peace and oh my God, this is such a tragedy. I just read some of his own video titles back to him and it went basically as well as you would expect. It seems to me that everyone agrees that Donald Trump is not Hitler and his supporters are not Nazis. So with that in mind, I'd like to read some other headlines. These are video titles from Cenk's channel. And in the spirit of reconciliation, maybe he wants to delete these things. Trump cuts anti-Nazi program. Trump spreading Nazi propaganda.

57:28Nazis encouraged by Trump's Charlottesville response. Trump defends Nazis, very fine people. That is the biggest hoax, political hoax ever. Trump retweets a neo-Nazi again. Trump disappoints neo-Nazi supporters. So these things don't come out of nowhere. I only blame one person at the end of the day for these murders, which is the crazy person who does the murders. But pretending that what is wildly asymmetrical, I think I have laid that out with evidence here, pretending that it's symmetrical is deeply, deeply dangerous. Okay, so if you wanna watch the full segment, you can watch our channel.

58:03he ends up screaming at me to shut up. He calls me a monster, claims that I want to get him killed, even though literally all I did was just read his own titles back to him. Joseph's pointing out right now that the Young Turks have not removed any of those videos or changed the titles. Now, here's another piece that I pointed out on that show, which is that in 2018, Charlie was out at breakfast in Philadelphia and he got accosted by a bunch of Antifa people. This was Cenk's response to that, which is quite chilling in light of what's happened now. It allows for easy martyrdom for these guys and they don't deserve it.

58:44But I do also wanna point out as they're in the middle of crying now, although Charlie was smiling ear to ear throughout the entire video thinking, yes, I'm now the victim and I'll get to claim that my rights have been abridged. Donald Trump said they were very good people on the Nazi side in Charlottesville when they said the Jews will not replace us. And Donald Trump used a Hitler quote about poisoning the blood of our nation. So is it right to support a candidate that supports Nazis? Is it right or not? Yes or no answer, at least Stefanik. Do you support Nazis? Cuz a guy that you support had dinner with Nazis, said Nazis were very good people and He used Nazi quotes.

59:22Yes and only, Stephen. Yes, you know. God, all right. First off, I just want to say, you know, for seven or something years after I left the Young Turks, even though they've done dozens of videos about me, you guys know I never was doing videos about this guy. Hopefully this is the last time I ever have to do it again. But not only does he have the videos up there where it's all Trump's Hitler, blah, blah, blah. And then I also read him 10 headlines of what he said about Charlie. But then the idea that Charlie wanted to be a martyr, that's what he said. it's easy martyrdom and then charlie can be the victim well martyrdom is when you're killed for your political beliefs and do you think charlie wanted to die i mean that's what you're saying but and then you just create this caricature of these people and then someone goes out and does your dirty work and that is deeply disturbing and also the fact that he's still even in the peers video from a couple days ago still pushing the very fine people hoax all the nazi titles and all that.

1:00:19Now I want to get this to, okay, but you could say, okay, fine. Everyone's allowed their opinion about people, right? You can just say all these bad things about people and whatever. It is what it is. It all goes into the ether. It's a wash at the end, both sides do it. You can do all of that. Okay. That maybe, maybe, maybe some of, maybe that's true to some extent. What you cannot do in the United States is call directly for violence to a person or a group of people. However, However, Cenk's nephew, this guy, Hasan Piker, who is the number one streamer on Twitch, who is a, I would say, crazed socialist, lefty, communist, Marxist, whatever you want to call him.

1:00:57Those are his political beliefs. I don't think he would argue, is he a socialist or a Marxist or a communist? Yeah, those are the things he believes in. He, and again, the biggest streamer on Twitch, this guy has an insane amount of young people watching him. here he is and this is a violation of the first amendment of the united states and he's doing it on twitch the number one streamer uh calling on his viewers to kill right wingers i'm sick and

1:01:23Dave Rubin:tired of it left wingers liberals you need to be showing your opponent's guts on there okay you need to be gutting them you need to be shanking these motherfuckers and letting their letting their intestines just ride on stage what the is this man slice them up slice them and dice them what the kill them kill those motherfuckers and murder those motherfuckers in the street let the streets let the streets soak in their red capitalist bloods dude their red capitalist bloods you know when i worked at the young turks he was harassing all of the girls there that work there and their response that was the major instead of getting rid of him or punishing him but anyway, they just had him work from home, which most people apparently wanna work from home post-COVID.

1:02:12He's an absolutely disgusting human being. I don't believe that anyone should arm him or anything else. I don't want anyone to gut him. I don't wanna see his guts on the street, and I don't want his blood rushing all over the place, but he is the number one streamer on Twitch. So if you have a kid that is on Twitch, you think they're on there just playing video games or watching video games or wherever the high hells. I've never even been on Twitch. I don't even know exactly what's going on there, but video games ain't what they used to be. I can promise you that much. you might want to think about that.

1:02:40Why is your kid on Twitch? And I would say for lawyers out there, you might want to look into that because someone like him who is so influential amongst this now hyper radicalized base of Marxist, genderqueer, progressive people, well, one of their number one thought leaders is literally kill these people, murder them, blood in the streets. It's illegal and it certainly should be, well, certainly is against Switch's terms of service, but they are letting him on here. And by the way, if you don't think it is dangerous, someone like him, well, look at this picture. There he is with, you know, just a couple of days ago, the new mayor of New York City's best friend.

1:03:23This is gonna be great. So Mom Dami is out there with him. So might I offer a, if there are any journalists out there, still there's gotta be somebody somewhere. might I offer a suggestion if you want to go viral. How about today when Mamdami does whatever press conference he's doing or whatever fake little LARPing thing that he's up to with his lo-fi music and his soft lens, how about you ask him, do you condemn totally and will you disassociate from Hassan Piker who is on camera as the number one streamer on Twitch publicly calling for the murder of people who believe in capitalism? We just showed you the video right there.

1:04:04Again, these things are not symmetrical. I know nobody's gonna do it. The other thing they could always ask is, if you are such a great ally to the gays, does the mosque that you go to perform gay weddings? And if not, why are you part of such a bigoted organization? You can do that one too. I'm just offering people things to go viral if you wanna get out there. But this is a huge problem right now because this is not what's happening on the right. It doesn't mean that there aren't any bad apples. I've been talking about the fighting on the right. And Charlie, by the way, over the last six months or so, was one of the bulwarks of some of the craziness on the right.

1:04:38But the point is, if they are going to call for the violence of, oh, these people believe in capitalism, we want their blood in the streets. And Charlie's an evil person, so he's allowed to be killed. Or Ilhan Omar smiling as she talks about his death. I mean, they are just vile. But our side is better. and it is going to be very tough and incumbent on us to figure out where our better angels are. I saw this video. I thought this was quite nice. You know, you might argue it was a stunt, but I thought it was really nice. Look at this from Eric Daughtry just in. Senator Ted Cruz personally removes graffiti on the side of a highway that said, fuck Charlie Kirk, declares Texans don't have to look at this hateful garbage anymore.

1:05:17You know, look, I know Cruz doing it himself might come off as a little bit of a stunt. I know Senator Cruz quite well. He's a good human being. And I think actually him doing it, in some cases it is in a stunt. It's like, you know what? I will go out there and do it. I know someone else can do it. I know there's a staff member or an employee of the city or somebody can go out there and do it, but I will go do it. I will show that I am part of this. And I think that is the spirit of cleaning this horrible situation up, in this case, quite literally. That's the spirit that has to motivate us right now.

1:05:49Here's Tulsi Gabbard, who again, wasn't even, I don't even know that she's a Republican right now. I know she's not a Democrat, but this is somebody that four or five years ago had wildly opposing views to Charlie Kirk, wildly opposing views. But here she is at the Kennedy Center last night. There was a prayer vigil and a service. It was jam-packed talking about Charlie and his mission and what motivated him.

1:06:14Dave Rubin:In the book of Corinthians, Paul said, Therefore, we are always of good courage.

1:06:24and know that while we are at home in the body we are absent from the Lord we are of good courage

1:06:33Dave Rubin:I say and prefer to rather be absent from the body and be home with the Lord ultimately for every one of us. The time that we have in this world is temporary. Our time will come sooner or later. And so the critical question that we have for ourselves is whatever time we have, what are we doing with it? How are we making the most of every day that we have? Charlie Kirk, every single day, carried out his mission, motivated by his faith in Jesus Christ and his unwavering dedication to defending our God-given freedoms enshrined in our Constitution and Bill of Rights. Now, again, this is someone who still, to this moment right now, I have no doubt had different political views than Charlie.

1:07:36Let's say on abortion would be an easy one. They definitely would not agree completely. But note, I watched the full thing, the full speech, she didn't have to go up there and say, you know, I had different opinions about Charlie, but he shouldn't be killed because that's all baked in. That's all baked into what America is, that we are going to be different and think different things and have different beliefs and everything else. But to the backdrop of those two beautiful flags behind Tulsi, what's the thing that brings us all together? It's respect for this country, for your neighbors. And we are ready to throw it away because as we've illustrated here, whether it is the former man who wanted to be vice president, basically celebrating the fact that Donald Trump might have died one weekend or Kamala calling him a fascist or all of the horrible things they said about Charlie or a Twitch streamer who's literally calling for people to be murdered or the host of what was once a huge online show on the left.

1:08:29Thankfully, it's not as successful anymore. or the young Turks relentlessly calling everyone a Nazi, you create the conditions for horrible things to happen. Again, I only blame the person who pulled the trigger, but perhaps before you all say kumbaya, you might want a little mea culpa. Boy, I had a little something to do with some of this. And what was Charlie really about? What Charlie really was about was going into places where it wasn't that comfortable to talk to people who he knew disagreed with him and tell them what he believed. Here he went on the Whatever podcast. I've been on this podcast.

1:09:05It's basically one guy who brings in a bunch of girls that are all like cam girls and e-girls and porn actresses and everything else. And he sort of just like berates them. I actually didn't love being on the show that much. It felt kind of thin to me. But here's Charlie going on that show. He's surrounded by, I don't know, it's usually a huge table about eight girls who are again at one layer or another in porn business. And here he is talking about perhaps what he thinks might be a better alternative for them.

1:09:33Dave Rubin:Thank you guys for a respectful conversation, even though we see things very differently. And if you're engaged in the creation of that content, I think God has a better plan for you. I know that might sound preachy and not what you want to hear, but maybe you'll have an encounter with God and Jesus loves all of you. And he can transform your life. He transformed my life. And every day is a new day. And it's a hopeful, beautiful life ahead of you. And God loves every single one of us. We're all sinners. And Jesus died. I mean, you've definitely been the most respectful one that I've seen. Well, thank you.

1:10:00Dave Rubin:That's very, very kind. And I can tell you, it's not me. If it was me, I'd be yelling and screaming. It's the Holy Spirit. It really is. I know it might sound silly. It might sound cliche, but Jesus has gone to work on my life. And so God bless you guys. Thank you for a great discussion. Charlie, thank you for coming. That's Charlie, right? Notice he didn't say you're all horrible and you're a bunch of whores and you should be jailed or I don't like you because of your sexuality or your line of work or anything else. He said, we had a conversation with difference of opinions, and maybe there'll be a force that will move you differently.

1:10:34He didn't say this should be illegal. He was really trying his best to show people something that he thought was right without having to force them to do that. And what that did and why I think the country is so fundamentally different over the last four days is he then woke up young people to at least think about things a little bit differently. So you have all of radical teachers and all of the things that you're doing online all day that are giving you one thing, one very hysterical thing all the time. And Charlie just tried it another way, a more thoughtful way, and that actually brought young people over there.

1:11:13And that's actually incredible. And here's RFK Jr. talking about how Charlie affected his 17-year-old niece. A 17-year-old niece left for Europe to go to college. And while she was packing, her mother, Amaryllis, my daughter-in-law, noticed that she had put a Bible in her suitcase. And Amaryllis was curious about it. And she asked her, and Zoe said to her, I want to live like Charlie Kirk.

1:11:50Now that's Bobby Kennedy, a man who a year and a half ago was running as a Democrat, a man who I brought on the show the first time and we argued about affirmative action, someone that's absolutely pro-choice, who probably disagree. I'm guessing he's pro or he's against the death penalty. I mean, he and Charlie won without question, had huge political divides, just like Bobby Kennedy has with Donald Trump. but they're coming together under the banner of America. And that's why he can stand up there and be proud to say that his daughter, or that his niece, 17-year-old niece, was affected by this man.

1:12:26And whether the 17-year-old niece, I think what Bobby would say, I don't wanna put words in his mouth exactly, but I think what he would say is, if my 17-year-old niece grows up to think the things that Charlie believed, even if they're different than the things I believed, that would be pretty good. I thought this was pretty great as we're getting to the close here. This is pretty heartwarming. This is a 14-year-old by the name of Bryson Levy. And here he is talking about how Charlie Kirk was his idol.

1:12:51Dave Rubin:Young man, you want to say why you're here, what Charlie Kirk meant to you? He was my idol. Like, I remember watching his videos, wanting to be like him. Like, I would just see the way he would debate. And he would stay calm while the left was just yelling at him. And he was just so nice about it. And then they hated him so much because he knew he was right, but they just didn't want to admit it. So they ended up hating him and they just killed him for it. What's your name? How old are you? I'm Bryson Levy. I'm 14. Man, God bless you. Where are you from? I'm from here, Oakton. Man, I pray a blessing on Bryson.

1:13:28All right. First off, Bryson, when you're out of high school, you want an internship, you got it. That's number one. Number two, that's the spirit. Right? That's the spirit that Charlie, that's the, it's not even just the spirit, it's the opportunity he gave for young people to think for themselves. All of these kids who had been brainwashed by all of this backwards stuff. And then Charlie was like, you wanna think about this a little bit differently? Now, again, Charlie did it from his own unique religious perspective, but he didn't demand that everyone convert or be exactly like him in sort of the spiritual sense.

1:14:01He was saying, this is what works for me and this is how it fits with America. and because it was so unique, a little sanity was so unique in a time of craziness, you've got 14 year olds right there. I thought Charlie was a racist, right? There's all those headlines on the Young Turks channel right now about what a racist Donald Trump and Charlie Kirk are. And there you have a young 14 year old who's pretty freaking spectacular saying that he was his hero, pretty great. So where does this all leave us? Well, Charlie will be getting the unfortunately posthumous Medal of Freedom from President Trump.

1:14:30Actually, young people will live on. I'm pleased to announce that I will soon be awarding Charlie Kirk posthumously the Presidential Medal of Freedom. The date of the ceremony will be announced, and I can only guarantee you one thing, that we will have a very big crowd. Very, very big. again. Yeah. So Charlie will get the Medal of Freedom. There is also going to be a massive, massive rally in Arizona next Sunday. I'll be there. I'm sure all the usual cast of characters are going to be there to honor and celebrate Charlie's life. I would also say, I don't know if anyone has said this publicly, and I'm sure some people are sort of angling towards it, but how about September 10th becomes Charlie Kirk Day in America, right?

1:15:16We have other days that are important to all of us. How about September 10th, which I know to the backdrop of September 11th, and it's right after Labor Day, the timing's probably not great. But there's something happening in this country because of this man's spirit. His wife, Erica Kirk, gave what, well, without question, was the most difficult speech of her life.

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1:16:13and she talked a bit about her husband and what now has been unleashed in light of his murder.

1:16:23Dave Rubin:The evildoers responsible for my husband's assassination have no idea what they have done. They killed Charlie because he preached a message of patriotism, faith and of God's merciful love they should all know this if you thought that my husband's mission was powerful before you have no idea you have no idea what you just have unleashed across this entire country and this world you have no idea you have no idea the fire that you have ignited within this wife the cries of this widow will echo around the world like a battle cry

1:17:28Dave Rubin:to everyone listening tonight across america the movement my husband built will not die it won't I refuse to let that happen it will not die all of us will refuse to let that happen no one will ever forget my husband's name and I will make sure of it I mean it's impossibly difficult to watch and her resolve to the backdrop of the pain and everything else and I'm sure it's not even fully set in yet even just what I've realized over the last couple days I sort of hit this at the top, but to have to like narrate all of this, you know, I was on air with Russell Brand for our actual friends podcast.

1:18:10As we found out, Charlie got shot. We didn't know he was murdered yet. And just have to talk it out on air is just like a crazy theory. I was on Larry Kudlow later that day. And he, we also still at that point didn't know that he was dead. And as I was, I was live on Fox business, I saw out of the corner of my eye, a text from Phoenix saying that he was actually dead. And I was like, oh my God, am I about to say that now on television? Like, it's just, it's all so crazy, but that's completely insignificant compared to the resolve of his wife. And she's completely right. They have now unleashed something that hopefully can fix the country.

1:18:47You know, it's like, man, we've been going so in the wrong direction for so long with all of the woke stuff. We got the president we need. We fixed so much of the political stuff and we fixed the border and the trade deals and blah, blah, blah. We've done so much, but now there's some other thing that needs to be fixed and needs to be focused on. Here's a bit more from Erica.

1:19:08Dave Rubin:And I love knowing that one of his mottos was never surrender.

1:19:15So I want to tell you that we'll never surrender.

1:19:19Dave Rubin:We never will. Ever. Ever. our campus tour this fall will continue. There will be even more tours in the years to come. America Fest here in Phoenix this December will go on. It will be greater than ever. The radio and podcast show that he was so proud of will go on. and in a world filled with chaos, doubt and uncertainty, my husband's voice will remain and it will ring out louder and more clearly than ever and his wisdom will endure. I just don't imagine. She doesn't have a husband. Her kids don't have a father anymore. But they are not going to stop. And I thought Ben on his show had, well, I thought he said this quite well about what I think he's talking about, his own responsibility, but he's really talking about all of us.

1:20:25Now, it's still up to us. I saw a lot of rumors online today. I was made aware of this by my team that I canceled some sort of college tour. That's bull****. I saw those rumors. They are false. I will be coming to college campuses, many of them this year. So will we all, I am sure, because we're Americans and we're not going to be deterred. Charlie's voice is not silent. We're going to pick up that bloodstained microphone where Charlie left it. And to those who would intimidate, who would seek to stop us, who would seek to end free discussion, who believe that they have ownership over public spaces and can violently threaten and kill people who speak freely, we are not going to stop.

1:21:15And I have two words. F*** you. we will not stop telling the truth. We will never stop telling the truth. We will never stop debating and discussing. We will never stop standing up for what America is and for what she should be. And we will never let Charlie Kirk's voice die. Well said, my friend. You know, for years, probably literally 10 years, Ben and I have had a running joke that one day I was gonna be able to get him to curse on camera. Well, he did it, I think, and probably the most perfect moment that he could have ever done that. So I wanna connect this as we get to the close here. I wanna connect this to the top where we had Ben and Bill Maher talking about what has happened here and the false cries of racism and everyone's Hitler and everything else.

1:22:02Here they got into a slight disagreement, will not surprise you, as Ben Shapiro obviously is an Orthodox Jew. Bill Maher is an atheist. They started talking about where people get their values. And I thought this was quite interesting. Here's the real question. If the sort of reasonable morality that you espouse is universal, then why is it not even remotely universal on planet Earth? Okay, it is only found in Christian-based societies. You will not find it unless it was grafted on later by, you know, us conquering something. Christian-based? You're saying this with the yarmulke on? Yes, because Christians believe the first half of the Bible, which is mine.

1:22:39I'm working on them, Bill. I'm working on them. Well, as you know, I mean, this is the point where I remind all Christians in my life. First of all, I appreciate all these attempts to convert me. And yes, you get infinity heaven points if you're the one who does it. It's what I have heard about. Okay, so Ben even doing it with a sense of humor right there. Like, first off, okay, so a lot here. Bill, I think, is slightly confused about what Christian societies are. You know, what's his name? Richard Dawkins, who's one of the most well-known atheists on the planet. He even, over the last couple of years, has come around and said, boy, he's lucky that he lives in a Christian society.

1:23:13It does not mean you have to be Christian. It does not mean you have to fully believe in all the tenets of Christianity. But yes, Bill, a guy with a yarmulke, unless they wanna live in Israel, which is the most hated place by all the crazy lunatics, they wanna live in a Christian society. That's where you will find freedom. That's where minorities and individual rights will be respected and all of those things. So it's kind of funny. I'm not even sure who the other guest was, but there he was basically like, I'll convert Ben. and Ben's like, yeah, good luck with that. And then you have the atheist, I think being slightly confused about why a Jew would wanna live in a Christian society.

1:23:53And I think having, so it's kind of funny because Charlie loved to defend, well, not only did Charlie defend Israel and Judaism and Judeo-Christian values as a Christian, but now you have Ben, an Orthodox Jew, defending Christianity. and what is the common point, whichever side of that debate you might be on religiously, it's freedom in America and individual rights. And that's the thing that we have to wrap ourselves around. So I thought this was quite beautiful. My father-in-law, who still lives in New York City, although hopefully not much longer, he went to Roosevelt Island over the weekend and he sent me this picture and I thought it was quite perfect.

1:24:32This is an engraving on a statue in Roosevelt Island, obviously from Franklin Roosevelt. In the future days which we seek to make secure, we look forward to a world founded upon four essential human freedoms. The first is freedom of speech and expression everywhere in the world. The second is freedom of every person to worship God in his own way everywhere in the world. The third is freedom from want everywhere in the world. The fourth is freedom from fear anywhere in the world. That is no vision of a distant millennium. It is a definite basis for a kind of world attainable in our own time and generation.

1:25:14Franklin D. Roosevelt, January 6th, 1941. And you know what, guys? I don't know that we can do it all over the world. And I know there's an awful lot of countries run by a lot of theocratic maniacs who don't want it for us or their own people. But in the United States of America, we can protect free speech. In the United States of America, we can allow you to worship as you wish. We can do the best we can to make you free from fear and want. That's what we can and have done here. And that's why the Jew and the Christian, in this case, can come together and say, this is the damn best place for both of us.

1:25:52That is the exchange. One more. We'll close out with Charlie.

1:25:56Dave Rubin:I'm just flesh and bone, but more importantly, I'm a soul and that soul is accountable to one being. I mean, I've had an unbelievably blessed life. I've been doing this now, it'll be 12 years on June 5th. Such a young man to do it. Yeah. So praise God. I mean, I've been all across the world. I've met with world leaders, flown in Air Force One, got to know a president. I have an amazing family, the podcast, Turning Point USA, all that stuff. And so you experience that and you're like, what actually matters? What matters is your relationship with the divine, your relationship with your family, your kids and maybe a close collection of friends and your relationship with the truth.

1:26:32And that's the guy that every time they say, oh, he shouldn't have been killed, a certain set of people have to say, but I didn't have to, I didn't agree with everything he said, but he shouldn't be killed. It's like, what actually was the most controversial thing he said? Was he going to force you by sword to convert to Christianity? Was he going to make it so that black people and white people would have different laws to live by or anything else. And you all know the actual answer to that. So they feared him because he told the truth. I will continue my best to do it. We've got a post game show in 30 seconds, RubenReport.locals.com.

1:27:09Oh, and I also should remember this is a mention. This is a very fine minor footnote. But we were going to relaunch Copal today. It is back in stock in the United States at the warehouse, ready to go. A lot of you have been asking. We thought that relaunching it today just felt too soon and raw and everything else so we're going to wait one week from today it will be available again that's a total sidebar which is way less important than any of this i thank you guys for watching uh hopefully over the course of the next week and everything else we can get back to some of the some of the funnier stuff and all that but i know you're all feeling what i feel and it's important to do it this way so appreciate you watching post game show in 30 seconds thanks

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