Who to Trust with Your Health in an Untrustworthy World | Jillian Michaels

27:32So, I mean, it is everything from, You know, Kennedy said that the fluoride, the chemicals, the chemical form of fluoride being added to the water to fluoridate it comes from industrial waste. It does. Google it. Just simply put into chat GPT who makes money off fluoridating water. It is a byproduct of fertilizer. When they make fertilizer, instead of having to dispose of the waste, they add it to the water, which is a complete, we can go on and on and on from that. That is the truth. Isn't it kind of crazy, like, when you see how they do those things, or you see the byproducts, or you see how they make chicken nuggets, or how they make even just candy bars or whatever, when you see, like, the complex, crazy ways that they do it, that so much of this is a byproduct of something, or something that should have actually been thrown away, and that's the stuff.

28:32Hazardous. But it's kind of crazy to think that anyone even formulated this idea in the first place to put all this stuff in our food. There's so much to say. Like, I'm going to make a chicken nugget. I know. I don't really need much chicken. Right? Like, was the chicken nugget guy nuts? Crazy. Yeah. And it's just, it overwhelms people. And then when they're like, if you paint this guy with a crazy brush enough, and you have these legacy sources of news that so many older individuals, arguably a lot of Gen X, all the boomers, and there's even a few of those silent generation people that are still alive.

29:09My dad's the silent generation. generation, it came before the frigging boomers that have depended on the New York Times and CNN for so long that for you to say it could be compromised is blasphemous to them. Yeah. What do you think? So if we don't have a particularly reliable set of people, let's say, at the mainstream level, which we were all on board, that now we have the thing that we're in. and what do you think the responsibility is for those of us that do this to be truthful? I'll give you an example. That'll be a little personal to you. I was watching a clip that you did on a different show where you were sitting with a couple of ladies and one of the ladies, I won't even mention her name, was spouting some complete nonsense about the Gaza aid situation and it was completely debunked later in the day.

29:58I'm guessing that there was no correction issued or anything. I knew when I saw the clip, I was like, I know this is not true. It's so obviously going to be debunked. It was fully debunked. What do you think the responsibility is in general? I mean this for everybody. I mean it for me. I mean it for Rogan. I mean it for you. This issue, Dave, of Israel, here's the problem with this one for me personally. I don't even mean this specifically about Israel. I mean, just in general, what is our responsibility towards the truth? But if I was to answer that honestly, that one is so deep and so complex, and it is tied up with so much hatred.

30:34And you have to be so erudite to combat it. Like I watched the clip that you posted of the lady on Piers last night. And who was so eloquent and articulate at explaining. Okay, D, I can't fight back. I don't know. And for me to go down that rabbit hole, I could never. I'm like, Jill. Like interview experts, I had Barry Weiss come on my podcast to give some context. next but when i get i personally get caught up in those moments you're you're thinking like well i trust this news person yeah you know dave smith has said the same thing and i i happen to love dave smith i think he's a great guy we disagree on this issue but he's so well versed and i'm not that when he tells you he's not particularly well okay let's see you know that i don't know that and this is one where i'm like i am not going to become an expert on this i'm going to go to the barry weisses i'm going to go to the dave rubens and say give me the counter argument i do think that corrections need to be issued, but people are so caught up in their bias that they simply don't.

31:37I try to. Yeah, the problem, there's just no mechanism for it. Now, you know, we have community notes that's doing some version of it, but for the podcast world that now is the teacher, what could the mechanism be? Like we decentralize and then we would need some kind of centralized fact-checking apparatus and that's not really what people want. So it's just kind of the Wild West and we got to accept it. It is, but I think you have to take agency. And, you know, recently I, God knows what this is going to look like. The New York Times is doing a piece on me. I'm sure it'll be a hit piece. But then at least I could, like, I'll feel like I'm accomplished.

32:10Welcome to the club. Front page of the New York Times. It'll be all right. Oh, my God. I'm so excited. Okay, good. I feel good about it. Like, I did one on humor and so it's my turn. And I knew it probably maybe won't. Wait, so you know it's incoming? Yes. I agreed to it. Oh, you agreed to it. I agreed to it. And maybe it won't be. Yeah, yeah. You know, maybe... I've been part of those, too. That one I was not part of. Sometimes I'm part of one that, yeah, I don't do it anymore. No, it will be. I figure. One way, it has to be one way or another. They're not looking to... Right, they're not going to elevate a dissenting voice.

32:41Yeah. So, nevertheless, this journalist showed up to a few of my podcasts, because I had recorded a couple same day. And she criticized the fact that I didn't push back on different things. And I said, but I'm not professing to be an expert here. I'm learning from these guests. I can't push. I'm not a geopolitical expert. I'm not an economist. I'm getting different perspectives. And I will put people from different sides of the spectrum on. I'll have Barry Weiss and I'll have Dave Smith. And then the goal for the audience is to turn around and you're gonna have to do your own work on it. And at the end of the day, you're gonna hear different things.

33:20For example, if we go back to the hepatitis B conversation, Kennedy said they did this research, They found an 1135 % increased risk of autism with the hepatitis B vaccine. And then they did five iterations of the study to bury the results. The way they buried the results, they kicked out older kids and used only younger kids who were too young to be diagnosed with autism. Now, the CDC and the study's author came out and said, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. We expanded this study so significantly. we looked at 140 ,000 kids. We made it better. It was all so, so much better and found no causal link.

34:06Who are you going to believe? Now you know what you need to do? Now you need to look at the freaking study. How old were the freaking kids? How did they do the study? Blah, blah, blah. And you'll get the answer. If I... You can see why some people just check out. If I had an incoming baby though, I would take the freaking time. And if I had a time machine, I would not have given my son. My daughter was born in Haiti, but I would have not done the hepatitis B vaccine. Except the issue, of course, is that once it's on the CDC schedule, it's essentially a federal mandate. Because most schools are like, oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

34:43We're going to need those vaccination records. Your kid can't come to school. And now you're starting to see conservatives who are homeschooling their kids. And that's one reason. Indoctrination is another. but it's a wild period. So actually that was my next question. So if you were having kids right now, if you had a child that was going to be born tomorrow, what would you be doing? Minimal. So what I would do is look at each of the vaccines and what are the pathogens that they're meant to immunize my child against. Having had whooping cough at this point, which I was supposed to see you for dinner when I was getting over it.

35:23Oh, my God. I thought it was reactive airway. You could barely speak on the phone, so I do know. Yeah. Having had that, a newborn getting whooping cough? There's a reason a child would die from this. Adults have died from this. I would 100 % say, you know what? The cost-benefit analysis here of my child getting whooping cough is going to be a pass. Please vaccinate the kid. Hepatitis B is a sexually transmitted disease that you also get from intravenous drug use. So that's not going to happen. And my ex, who gave birth to our son, did not have hepatitis B. So it's going to be a hard pass for me.

36:00So that's the first thing. So that's the one that's very confusing to people. Because basically, if you're in a monogamous relationship and there's no reason to think that the mother has hepatitis B, there's really no way this kid's going to get hepatitis B. Unless the argument is, oh, when they're four, like, they're going to be nested or something. Here's the argument, because I've really tried to understand it. They can step on a needle at a playground. Okay. They could interact with a family member that has hepatitis B and an open sore who will then put the open sore on the child's eyeballs.

36:35I'm actually dead ass serious. And I looked into, because of course I have to speak on this now, despite the fact that I'm not a vaccine scientist, but at least tell people what to look for. I'm not going to tell you what to think. I'm going to tell you what to think about and where to do the research. How many kids used to get in America used to get hepatitis B. 18 ,000 a year. Okay, well, 18 ,000 kids, we don't want them to have hepatitis B. And obviously that number has been virtually wiped out. But how many tens of millions of kids are in this country? With that said, of those 18 ,000, arguably they got it from mom.

37:16Could you test mom? Right. Yes. I mean, yes. So, in this case, the argument isn't necessarily there's something wrong with the vaccine or something damaging with the vaccine. It's just kind of like, why is there just like another thing? We don't know. Yeah. We don't know, Dave. And when you look at, when you actually did a whole video on this, there's a package insert for the vaccine. And it will tell you what pre-licensing studies were done. And the amount of days that they monitored the child for adverse events was five days. five days we don't know do you it just we don't know and when you're taking this kind of a risk with a disease that your kid is probably never gonna get and if there is a risk we can test for that risk before vaccinating them what ended up happening was merck created the vaccine this is this is i don't have concrete proof of this this is what i've heard this is my opinion on on the matter, but Merck was asked to create it.

38:22And it was initially, this is fact, recommended for intravenous drug users and sex workers. But that group of people, that demography, is not really interested in preventing disease. So they didn't get it. And Merck's like, we're losing our ass here. Just FYI, we're getting killed. So they lobbied the World Health Organization to make it a mandate. They lobbied the CDC to get it on the schedule. They funded the Every Child Buy Two campaign, which I think was headed by Rosalind Carter. This is all true. And now it's a guaranteed sale once it's on the schedule. It is an$8 billion a year business projected to reach$13 billion by, I believe it was 2032.

39:09We don't know. Like even I remember like the vitamin K one for kids. to get their blood to coagulate, but your blood does coagulate by the eighth day. So as long as they are not going to bleed in that first week, it's like, why are they rubbing this on their eyeballs? And that just feels so strange. But see, it feels so strange. Now, mind you, if throughout history, you and I survived the plague, and we were watching people lose babies left, right, and center, and somebody came out and said, we've got to, I mean, common sense would dictate, okay, this is killing kids. It's killing kids right now.

39:49There's a vaccine. The cost-benefit analysis, even if it's a new vaccine, my kid's going to die. Let me jab the kid. For sure, that is a choice that I would make. COVID. Kids don't die from COVID. No. The data is there. We know it. Was it Birx even came out? I think it was on Peter's and was like, yeah, I should have followed the science on that one. You are the science, you crazy bitch. Like, are you the science? Yeah. And still, even after that, even after we have all of the data, we know it won't protect the grandmother, doesn't stop transmission. Like, we know there's a greater risk of vaccine injury in youth than the risk of them dying from COVID.

40:34And still, people bash Kennedy for suggesting it should be removed from the schedule and it is still available for any freaking parent who wants it. You know, I was pretty, I'm very proud of my COVID track record. And after two weeks to stop the spread, I was like red pilled from that moment. But the thing that really like solidified that there was no way in high hell that I was going to get the backs, even though everyone was under every pressure from family members or whatever it might be, is when they really were going after the kids. To me, I was like, this makes no sense because not only are kids not dying, but I was trying So what's really going on here?

41:09What I felt was if they could get you to inject your kid with something that you don't know what it is, they own you forever. Because try to imagine the guilt that a parent would have. I know a lot of parents now that have a lot of guilt about they injected their kid with something because of social pressure. We didn't have a choice. My ex didn't want to do it. I'm like, they need to go to school. Like, California, they got to go to school. We have to be able to have them travel. They need a vaccine passport. Can't walk into a restaurant. I mean, you've seen Fauci famously brag about forcing people into the decision.

41:43I never got them boosters. But we didn't have a choice. And... Well, that's 90 % true, right? Yes, you're right. You could have picked up and left. It felt like they would have made them from the system. Yes. Yeah. It felt like they would make life so incredibly difficult. Yeah. Which what a unbelievably horrific position. So do you think that basically we're either going to head to or maybe are in now some sort of brave new world version of all of this? Well, there there will be a certain set of people that will have the knowledge and the means and the community and support to live a certain more, let's say, healthy or holistic way.

42:23And then there's just going to be this other set of people, which is going to be the bulk of the people. So this is very brave new world or sci-fi that are just going to be in the system. And they're just going to keep listening to the machine that's giving them vaccines and they're going to keep getting sick and they're not going to fix diets because they'll take the pill to do it. And then they'll find out that the Ozempic shot is going to do this and all of that stuff. And that really, that will be the great divide of what humans are. I think that's kind of, then you throw in a little AI stuff.

42:50Now I'm going real sci-fi and robots, but like, that's kind of really what I see the divide, the incoming divide of humanity to be. Okay. There are incredibly intelligent people who have pushed back on the most common sense things. I was doing an interview with a person from MIT, and she was talking about how you need a truckload of red number three for it to have any deleterious health impact. And I said, okay, first of all, have you considered all of the other toxins in your water in your air in your food and are you looking at the cumulative load of these things right i mean as a scientist right but you ever see the incredible shrinking woman with lily tomlin like that's what happens to her it's she's using all of the cleanser you never saw it from the late from like 1979 it's amazing movie she's just a housewife and she's using all of these things the soap and the and the hair stuff and all these things and then she starts shrinking and she ends up this tall and yeah starts dating GI Joe it's pretty good yeah that's the shrinking cancer that's the that's the equation right there and and then the the case then became let's just say I'm wrong and you've detoxified every other chemical from every other aspect of your life if there's beetroot powder why are you arguing for petroleum-based food dye you'd be very you know I'm taking you to the fridge after so you You can see what we're making cupcakes for the kids.

44:17It's beetroot powder. It's beet protein to make blue. You know what the answer is? Never Trump. That's the answer. I have fought with very intelligent people who have thyroid conditions over filtering fluoride out of their water because there's a potential link. And you know why they won't do it? Never Trump. So people are going to dig in because of Kennedy and Trump because they've made it political. Right. And then the one thing that does alarm me, and you'll know this better than me, you would put on the kind of topics we were going to discuss a lot of the transgender athlete stuff going on, like UPAN in California.

44:56But the thing is, like, all of these executive orders mean nothing. In four more years, where are we again? None of this is settled law. So while you and I can think, well, yeah, well, we're not going to get the booster and we're going to have beef tallow and you can have your chemically extracted soybean oil until when? The next president mandates it all over because none of it is moving to Congress. No, that's why the executive action thing. I'm happy with what Trump's doing, but it is not a way to legislate. What are we going to do? Yeah. Well, at that point, you just hope, you hope that, I think what the answer to that question is, is you hope that the culture has changed enough, that enough people have come around so that at the end of the day, if you see Froot Loops with red dye or you realize that you can do it another way, you're going to do it the other way, that eventually that these things get disconnected.

45:44We vote with our dollars. Yeah, that these things get disconnected from the government, that you can't assume that the government, because they passed legislation on beef tallow, is suddenly looking out for you. I mean, that's my hope, is that it shows like yours, putting out this information, people can take agency and corporate America will respond if you can impact their bottom line, even by a small percentage. So, you know, Skittles doesn't want to remove the red number 40. I mean, it's not freaking Nazi Germany. If they're not going to remove it, they're not going to remove it. You know, in all fairness, you know, one of the spokespeople for the company was like, well, you sell tobacco and you sell cigarettes.

46:21You do, okay. You want to poison yourself with this, no problem. But if another company and others are, remove these things, hopefully a parent will go, well, hold on. Like there's still crap in this, but there's less crap. So I'll buy this one. Well, then Mars is going to change like that. Right. Well, that's also the beauty of capitalism because the other one would be more expensive for a little while. But then hopefully people shift and then it starts going like this. And then next thing you know, you're making actual proper. Well, that's another strange misnomer that people have that somehow, if you don't have a lot of money, you cannot eat in a healthy way.

46:56And look, I'm blessed. So I'm not worried about that for myself. But when I go to the grocery store, like if you just buy like organic ground meat and you buy organic eggs and you walk out of there with, you know, organic arugula or something like it's not expensive and you can walk out of there and eat well. They're going to tell you we don't have access. I just recently read a bunch of studies on the fact that food deserts are based on supply and demand. People in that part of the country are not demanding those things en masse. And it is also rigged. So one of the things that Kennedy is doing is working to remove, you know, it's going, we have like, I think six states that have done waivers to remove soda and junk food from SNAP.

47:45And then you see this crazy pushback against that, by the way. Don't tell me what I can do. Yep. And it's like, well, actually, if you're going to be on the government dole and now we're also going to have universal health care for everybody, then it kind of is our business. That's when Obamacare was coming out. That's what I kept thinking. Well, all right. You want us. You want everybody to pay into something for everybody. Well, then fat guy over there. I don't want to pay for your cancer treatment and your diabetes medication. So how about no soda? You know, you can do this on your own dime.

48:12At least on the government dime. Exactly. Yeah. Exactly. But the reality is that, you know, as we were talking about the food pyramid, when you look at what made refined grains the basis of a healthy diet, Well, the USDA was lobbied by the wheat lobby, the Corn Refiners Association, the vegetable oil lobby, because, again, chemically extracted soybean oil is far more profitable than grass-fed beef tallow. That's not going to work. So these guys make hundreds of billions on big ag subsidies, our tax dollars. they are big ag makes uh i'm sorry hundreds of billions off of our money and in our subsidies tax subsidies but then big food grabs these contracts and that's the part that's so nuts they're like you can't mess with this food pyramid this is how we feed our kids this is how we feed our soldiers oh my god you're admitting that you feed them pure process poison so they lobby the USDA to say this is the way it goes.

49:21And then food stamps. I think Coke, I think 40 % of its income is from food stamps. God, I mean, even if you're doubling that accidentally, that's wild. Yeah. That's so they get. And it's not even real sugar in our Coke. You have to go to Mexico for the real sugar. It's the corn syrup. You'll love this one, just as you were saying that it reminded me. So there's a new restaurant that opened up that's quite close to your little spot here in Miami that Phoenix and I went to the other day and they, it's a steak joint. And they tell you when they bring you the steaks that the steaks are finished in beef tallow.

49:55And that sounds, that sounds pretty good. So then he asked, what do you make the fries in? And they make the fries in canola oil. And it's like, even that sort of thing right there, it's like, we're in this weird in-between process where they're like, here's your steak finished in beef tallow. And also, here's your bowl of evil. No, you're not going to ask that. It's just, and it, and that one's also conflicted because they're like, a seed oils aren't that bad. Seed oils into themselves. Aren't that bad. It's the chemical extraction process. Yeah. So people are like, I saw somebody say they're not that bad and it doesn't make sense.

50:33It's just canola. That's the part where it's, there's so many levels of bullshit because people will tell like, their version and omit the facts. And then these guys will tell their version and omit the facts. Like, sure, canola seed is not the devil, but the process they use to extract the oil is bad for you. And then watch a video of it on YouTube and you'll just throw up in your mouth and never want it again. That's why I can only have the pure chicken tenderloin now and not a chicken nugget. I want a tenderloin. It is just the tenderloin. And you want to fry it fine, wine hopefully a beef tallow but i'll eat that but the nugget with i just i know let me ask you something else altogether i guess it's ancillary related we're holding this interview for a couple days but tonight you are going on cnn we talked a little bit about the mainstream media what so i've never been invited to go on cnn this is the first time yeah i used to try to get on for my books and things like that i don't care to go on at this point i'd rather mock them and everything else but what do you like what's your angle in the idea of someone that's outside of mainstream going back in because there's this weird moment where they realize we're bigger than them so they kind of need some of us then you have some of these people that cross over the other direction too meaning they'll suddenly do some podcasts but it's that tension between the old and the new there but like what's your reasoning i will talk to anyone yeah um not only will i talk to anyone.

51:58I come from legacy media, so I still appreciate it. I still think there's value in it. I still think people are showing up there. I think that they're taking those clips and putting them in new media, posting them on YouTube, posting them on X and so on. So I think there's value for the people who watch it. I think there's value for those of us who contribute to it. Is it a necessity? No. Both of us have come this far without it. But it does feel a bit like you're fighting for souls. Now, the game can definitely be rigged in those environments. I did do CNN one time, and it was about Ozempic. And I had, like, they blacked out the screen.

52:37And I thought it had something to do with, like, pants sales going down. So I was prepared to sort of discuss the economics of obesity. But then it ended up being a debate. No one told me. And I couldn't even see the person I was debating. And I was completely caught off guard. And I was like, oh,

52:55I'm not suggesting that's what's going to happen. I've watched Abby Phillips, and she has Scott Jennings on and Bajangar Sargon. You named a few awesome people that are center or conservative. My only hope is that, look, the setup will come. If you ask me questions about Putin, I'll give you an opinion. I'm certainly not an expert on the subject matter. So if you catch me so far out of my lane, you know, I'm a little I'm wondering how that's going to go. If it's something within my wheelhouse, I can speak confidently. I can crush anybody, you know, that that steps to me with a counter argument.

53:37That said, all I can simply do is say this is not my wheelhouse. I'm not an expert in this as a citizen of the country. Like if I get roped into the birthright citizen stuff. Most of them are, by the way. Most of those people are not experts in anything. They're political pundits. Like, honestly, if you wrote me into this whole birthright citizenship thing, as an American citizen, common sense is going to tell me that anchor babies and, you know, birthing tourism is exploiting our system here. And we should revisit it. Like, I can't sit here and argue if Trump has the executive power to do this.

54:16It seems like he doesn't. And then there is that loophole of like, OK, you pulled the class action thing. You did that fast and you undermined the Supreme Court here on these nationwide injunctions. But legally, you can do it. So smart, cynical. But you can do OK. Like, I think if you if you ask me to be a constitutional attorney, I'm going to lose. There's a legal piece. Yeah. But as a citizen, like, I don't like it. Yeah. I don't think it's cool. You know, you didn't see me taking my ex over to Europe 13 years ago and having her drop the kid there for dual citizenship. And I would love to be able to live in Paris, although I don't know what the politics are now.

54:52Yeah, I don't think you have a little bit of a situation. Certain places in Europe, I'd love to move freely, get a second home. Like, it sounds great. But I can only address it that way. So it remains to be seen if it's like a smear campaign, kind of like the New York Times, or if it'll be an open and honest conversation where we're listening to different ideas. Right. And I don't know. I'm somewhat nervous about it. I'm praying Scott Jennings is there. Yeah, I mean, I hate to. So I can tap. Can I tap out? I'd like to phone a friend on this question regarding tariffs. Can I? Do you mind if I? Yeah, we'll see.

55:28Yeah, I hate to tell you, but it's probably the former. I know. But the other thing is, I mean, I think what's happened with them also is that because they're so purging views, viewers, they need some of us to be let in because that then gets some action going online. so it's not like they're necessarily bringing you in to take you out because it's like oh bring her on because people like her she has traction online you know i i hope not there's certain things where i i feel confident because i have done so many interviews with people about it could be tariffs like i feel like i'm ready to have that one i'm like okay i've done my homework on the reshoring and the national security stuff and like this and that and i i think i can hold Like on a scale of 1 to 10, I can do a 4, which I think, you know, but I think everybody else might be at like a 6 or a 7.

56:15So, you know, I'm not the person you should be asking, but if you're asking me an opinion as an American citizen, I'm going to give it to you. And I think that's where I have value in anything outside of my wheelhouse. Did we do everything we were supposed to do? I hope so, did we? We didn't smash the trans athlete thing, but I definitely alluded to it. Do we need to? Again, do you have eyes? Does it seem fair? No. No. Boys are different than girls? They are. All right. Yeah. End of communication.