CREATOR of “THE SECRET” Reveals How The LAW of ATTRACTION Actually Works! | Rhonda Byrne

33:15In comes problems. And so I wouldn't answer my phone if I wasn't feeling good. And in fact, the whole secret team knows very well. If you can't get a hold of Rhonda. For them, I said to them, if you don't feel well, please don't touch the secret. And if you had an argument with your spouse or you got really, you know, fell out of bed the wrong way, take the day off. Don't touch the secret. Unless you can shift out of it quickly. Yeah. If you're unable to shift. Which they all can now. Yeah, of course. But this was early days. Right. Yeah. So I was really, really careful too. So feeling good, I guess if you ask people how they feel, they might say, oh, yeah, I feel pretty good.

34:09But what I want to know is do you feel happy? Because if you're not feeling happy, then you're unhappy. Like we could say there's just two. you know, two emotions. It's black and white. Right? Happy or not happy. Exactly. Yeah. And so if you're not feeling, and if you think about a time in your life when you felt happy, and I don't mean overexcited or what I mean is just happy, you know, just feeling full and happy and it's a great day and you're really positive and friendly to everybody. Yeah, that's happy. And the other, that kind of numb feeling or, you know, it's another day kind of, that's unhappiness.

34:58I will say, Rhonda, I grew up not thinking that I was very smart or intelligent. I struggled in school. So I had this belief that I wasn't smart enough for really anyone or anything. And I was never going to be able to figure things out because I had this kind of belief based on testing poorly, just struggling in school. It was hard to read and write. And I just felt like everyone around me was smarter based on kind of school system and tests. Now I learned later that that wasn't true in other areas of life. I had more street smarts rather than school smarts. But I remember in my early twenties, not thinking I had skills to go into a career because I lacked success in school.

35:44And early on, I was trying to figure out how can I start to make money? How can I get opportunities for me when I don't have these skills. And what I said to myself early on was, I'm going to bring joy and happiness everywhere I go. When I would enter a room, I would think about, okay, this is a pathway to joy. And I would smile as I would cross the doorway. I would cross it. I would just open my heart to joy and smile and enter a room and smile at people. And when I would smile at other people and just ask them a question. How's your day? They would smile back and bring that mirroring energy.

36:22In this next card here, you say live in joy. Humanity needs your joy. Planet Earth needs your joy. The universe needs your joy. And that's why you are here. Find what brings you joy, start living it, and you will have fulfilled your purpose. And when I didn't know what my purpose was, I just said, I'm going to be joy. And that is purpose. And things started to unfold in my life. Financial opportunities, people wanted to be around me more and they wanted to help me. I didn't know why, except for that I brought joy and happiness. So I want people to know that, you know, when you bring joy, even if you don't know what direction you're heading or what, what should I do next to the next chapter of my life?

37:11joy unlocks opportunities like you said and i love this message in this card here well that that was just such an insight that you received you know that's like a divine message to you to do that because on the frequency of joy is everything that you could ever want really yeah everything yeah it's not when you're in anger joy no I mean people must notice you know I just think it's so obvious look at your life and you can see how you're creating it like you get angry and then one thing happens and then oh no something else happens and then something else happens and something else you know I mean we've all had those days like a snowball of bad things yeah and we just keep creating one after the other yes but yeah on the joy because joy is at the same frequency is love.

38:10So it's right up there and it is incredible. And that's why in the secret documentary and in the secret, why I say nothing is more important than that you feel good. Because when you feel good, you're on a feel good frequency and absolutely everything you encounter in the day, all the people, all the circumstances, all the events will be feel good. They will be things that make you feel even better, even better, even better, even better. So, yeah. There's a quote from a famous football coach in America. His name is Vince Lombardi who passed away, but he won a number of championships for the Green Bay Packers, I believe it was.

38:53His quote that he would say to his team, his athletes, was that you'll, what did he say? He said, either be fired up with enthusiasm or you'll be fired with enthusiasm. Right. It's like you either got to bring the joy, is what he was saying. Yeah. Bring the energy, bring the positive excitement, or you'll be fired passionately. Right. Because it's hard to manifest or excel at a high elite level in sports or something if you're not bringing passion and joy in a loving, happy, joyful way. Oh. It's hard to, maybe you could have some success, but to kind of maintain that level of opportunities and flow, it's hard to do that without it, right?

39:40Wow, that's really interesting because that's the same with life too. Right? It's really, like, for example, when you're in joy, you will manifest so fast. It's a really high frequency and you will manifest really, really quickly. The thing is, if you're in grief and despair, it's very slow. Right. And that's a protective mechanism for all of us because I had one time in my life where I hit depression because I was extremely worried about my daughter. and I just, it was just like this black cloud and I thought, I have completely thought myself to here. I could see all of the scary thoughts that I believed and I am here, now here is where I am.

40:36And I knew I was here because to experience it so I could help people out of depression. And so - So no one else created you to get there. Oh, I did it. You created yourself to do it. Oh, yeah. Yeah, because I just believed all these thoughts that I was all these scary thoughts. I was just believing them all. And my daughter's fine and well today, you know. They were just all thoughts. And, yeah, so now, I mean, I'm really, I guess, really fortunate. I tried everything that I knew, which was to be grateful and to think positive thoughts. So I tried thinking positive thoughts. I could feel how weak they were.

41:25What do you mean by that? They didn't have a lot of power behind them. So they were like, I'm happy, but I'm not really happy. Yeah. Not feeling it. Because the depression was, you know, it was strong. And so what I did was I decided to not resist the depression, but to love it. Tell me more. And it melted away. What does that look like if someone's going through three to six months of depression? I had to create like a picture of this, but I kind of like I could feel the sensation of it because depression is just a sensation. All of my feelings are just sensations and they're not actually us.

42:11They're just a sensation. But I would get that sensation and I would feel that sensation of depression. and then I just imagined putting my arms around it and pulling it into me. And that was hard to do. Not pushing it away or resisting it. Because that's what we do. You see, we push away bad feelings because we don't want to feel the pain. We numb them. We try to escape from them. Exactly. We do everything. But I did the opposite because I knew what you resist persists. Yes. And so I just imagined putting my arms around. The moment that I did it, it just evaporated, that whole feeling of depression.

42:56And then a couple of hours later, it started to come back. Not nearly that same level. Did it again in three days. Was totally gone. How long had you been experiencing the depression for? Was this weeks? Was this months? It was like a couple of weeks. A couple of weeks. Mm-hmm. And if you would have resisted it or numbed it or tried to escape it. Yeah, I'd still be there. Really? Yeah. So what I'm hearing you say is that you embracing the sadness, the pain, the grief, the loss, whatever it might be, but embracing it and creating a relationship with it. Yeah. As opposed to pushing it away. Yeah.

43:37Allowed it to flow through you and leave you. Yeah, it can't stay. because nothing negative can remain in the face of love. Wow. Love is the light and everything negative, you could say, is darkness. There's one way to look at it. And so if there's love, the darkness just disappears. And that's why it just evaporated. It was the most incredible feeling. And I knew I'm experiencing this so I can share it with people. How does someone, I mean, the secret 34 million plus copies, you know, tens of millions of people have watched the movie, all the other books and programs and products that you have have been, you know, sold by millions of people have been bought these things.

44:29how does someone believe they are worthy of great things the way you have been able to do great things in your life and impact the world in such a magnitude that you have done how can someone know and trust that something is destined for them maybe it's not at this level but something is great is destined for them how do they know that and did you know this your entire life leading up to this, that something like this was supposed to happen? No, I didn't. Really? No. But the moment I discovered it, I knew it. I absolutely knew it. I knew this is why I was here. I knew it with every fiber of my being.

45:14Yeah. But prior to that, I didn't. I was really ambitious. Okay. You were driven. You had a business. I was driven. But when I say ambitious, I was only wanting to perfect, be great myself. I wasn't in competition with anybody. I wasn't trying to be better than that person or I just wanted to be the best that I could be. And so I did it. But after I discovered the secret and my whole life turned completely around 360, I looked back on my life and I saw that every single thing in my life was leading to this. Really? Yes. Because just even things like I worked in a newsroom in a radio station and so when The Secret went crazy, like crazy, I just had every news media outlet in the world, in every country coming at us.

46:15And I did very little. and because I knew that what happens, what can happen is that the media will build you up to tear you down. Wow. And I knew that because I had worked in news and I'd worked in media. You'd seen it. I had seen it. Is that why you did Oprah and that was really it? I did Oprah and I did Oprah because I knew Oprah lived this. And you see, I didn't want to go onto anything where, I didn't want to have arguments with people because I'm not trying to convince you to do anything. I discovered something and I wanted to share it. And if you find that it's incredible for your life, then I'm so happy.

47:03If you don't want to hear about it, that's fine too. So I didn't want to get into situations with people where they're like, oh, this is, you know, as if the mind can do this. This is all there is, is mind. They don't even realize it'll be hundreds of years before it is realized what the substance of the universe really, really is. But right now, we can use this knowledge to completely create the life we deserve to have. And what you were talking about, about being this great greatness, I think some of us were born to do something like this. But then there are others, and I think about this with my mother, right?

47:45My mother stopped working when she was like 19 years old and she had five children. But my mother achieved greatness because she was an incredible mother and she was an incredible wife. And so her level was different. And I think, you know, what you did or what I did, not everybody is prepared to take the risk. You took risks. Yes. You can't do it without the risks. I took huge risks by I put everything on the line. I would have been on the streets. You know, I like mortgaged overdraft. I did everything possible to get the secret out to the world. And I didn't care, honestly, what happened to me after it.

48:36I just wanted to get it to the world and that was it. And so you have to have there's something within you that really pushes you. But then there are people that they might love what they do, you know, and they don't want to be running a company. They don't want the stress of that. They love their family. They want to spend as much time with their family as possible. They'd just really love to have a better house or, you know, and I think, honestly, if you can live your life and you can bring joy to other people just by your presence, just by your presence, if you can do that, oh, my God, you've lived the greatest life possible.

49:24you really have because every single person their true nature is joy and their true nature is love and that's why you feel so good when you're in joy right right yeah and that's why we feel so good when we're loving and being loving is smiling to that person like you did you know i'm opening the doors and i'm gonna smile yes absolutely yeah i mean you talk about kindness this is the next thing on top of here. You just said kindness. We're in sync right here. Kindness changes everything. Want to see your life change for the better today? Then be the kindest you've ever been to every person you encounter.

50:05When you do that, it's hard to have a bad day. Or you can't. It's not possible. That's why just do that. I'm like, just do that one thing. and you don't take my word for it. Try it for yourself and just see for yourself what happens. Yeah. I remember this person contacted us really early on and he said he decided that he was just going to be happy. I think it was a hairdresser and he said, I'm just going, I'm making a decision that I am going to be happy and I'm going to see what happens. And it was incredible what happened in his life. got his own hairdressing salon and all of, just because he made a decision to be happy.

50:52Why? What's on the happiness frequency? Everything that you want to make you happy. Absolutely. You know, so. I'm curious about after The Secret came out and every news outlet in the world wanted to hear more about what you were creating. Oh. You do Oprah, which that, you know, blows up everywhere. You're Time 100 most influential person in the world. You're selling tens of millions of copies within the first few years. This message was everywhere. You could not go into a store without seeing this book. No, true. How did you navigate the success and not let that weight or pressure break you? Ah.

51:37Because some people want the impact, the success, but then they're not ready for it. how did you prepare yourself and was that a conscious decision not to do a lot of interviews after that to not be picked at or try to be pulled down in certain ways like that was a conscious decision it was um but like did you feel ready for the success do you feel prepared or or did you feel like this is a little overwhelming i never felt it was me what do you mean i just I just it was the message that was the star interesting and I never felt that it was me like even writing the secret book I absolutely knew that and making the documentary like it was a miracle what happened making that documentary the way everything that we ever needed just landed right at our feet I it was it was so spectacular it was the most incredible thing I've ever seen and I just knew the universe you know just putting that in that most affectionate way I knew the universe was with us and so and writing the book it was the same thing like I felt such a rush uh in writing that book I couldn't write it fast enough all the things that I'd learned and practiced and I wanted to share with people.

53:02But you know, I had like, I got a burst blood vessel in one of my eyes. I had my feet got all cracked or the skin on my feet got cracked from the high frequency in writing that book. Really? Yeah. Because you said, you were telling me before off camera that you wrote this book in Santa Monica in an apartment. I did. I did. Just a few miles from here. With my laptop on my lap. With your laptop on your lap in a small little apartment. Were you on the beach? Were you off the beach? What was your environment like? Off the beach, it was a very simple little corporate apartment. The documentary had been released and I was writing the book.

53:45And it was just the perfect situation. I knew exactly everything that I wanted to say. It was really just rushing through me. and uh and because of the frequency you had like you know so your body was feeling my body really yeah that is fascinating after it i was a wipeout you were like exhausted you were like energetically drained energetically drained yeah and so then with each then with each book that i wrote was i tried to manage that more you know that i that i wasn't so wiped out now i could write a book and not at all right yeah but were you a writer before this no do you know what this was this your first book the secret of your first book and you sold 34 million copies that is crazy i know right i remember when um beyond words uh contacted me and said we want you to do the sacred book well i knew there'd be a sacred book because i'd seen it in bookstores in my mind all around the world in the front window.

54:49I'd seen it. I didn't know what it looked like, but I could feel the book. And I said, yes. I knew there'd be a secret book. And I said, okay. And they said, we want you to write it. And I said, I'm not a writer. And guess what? I heard those words. and I'm like, yes, I am. You switched it, yeah. Because I'm not a writer means that you will not be a writer, right? And I'm like, yes, I am because I can do anything that I put my mind to. Everybody can do anything they put their mind to. And so I wrote and I was very specific. I wanted to write to people as though it was just talking to them and not, you know, any kind of incredible huge words or anything like that.

55:52I just I wanted to be super, super simple because law of attraction was a hard concept to get your head around at that time. It's a lot. It's understood a little more these days. But and this is this is what I love about what you did, because you first said you saw it in your mind and you felt the book in bookstores. Yeah, you felt it. So you were connecting the thought, the visualization of what you saw in your mind and the feeling. You had those two things connected, it sounded like. And this is where I think some people get wrong about the law of attraction or the secret is they, you know, you had those two things the thoughts and the feelings as if it was already happening but then you took action you wrote the book you didn't just say it's magically going to like be in bookstores there had to be some action somewhere whether it was you or someone else yeah but i had the publisher come to me to say you're gonna write the book you do it so i attracted that but do you know what with that book i honestly feel like i was just a stenographer you were just downloading That's why in answer to your question, how did I manage all of that?

57:04Honestly, I never, I just felt like I was the luckiest person in the world to be a part of that journey. But I know without a doubt the universe was just there. It just, it, this had to come out into the world and it was there to help at every turn. If someone is applying these principles and think they're not drawing in the person, the publisher, the right person to hire, the thing to support them in manifesting what they want, does that mean they're not ready for that thing to come out into the world? Is it not the right timing? Because you could have wanted this 20 years prior, but it didn't happen then.

57:49It happened at the moment you were ready for it, it sounds like. So how can people let go of their frustration of really wanting something to happen now versus knowing when it's the right timing for it to come into the world? Right. So the difference is just simply believe. So you have to believe you have it already. So if I explain what my belief was like, my belief was a notch above believing it had already happened. mine was knowing it had already happened. What's the difference between believing and knowing? Because one, because knowing is the highest you can get. And it's actually knowing is beyond the mind, but you can manifest with believing too.

58:35So I didn't just believe this had happened. I absolutely knew it. Wow. And I knew it and I knew what it was going to do. and I, I, how can I, it felt. I knew it so much that I felt like I had already lived the entire journey of making it and it coming out and that I had such a great time that I was reliving it. Oh, that's pretty cool. That's how it felt. This is fascinating, what you just said. This unlocked something for me. The difference between believing and knowing. Yeah. I grew up in a religion, the religion of Christian science, which is all about healing and applying healing thinking and applying the mind to the material world.

59:32But really, there is no material world anyways. But one of the things that I would hear over and over again, when I felt like something was off in my life or I felt like I was feeling a pain or something physical in my body was off, out of alignment, we would have Christian science practitioners, spiritual practitioners that would give us prescriptions. But they weren't medications. They were spiritual medications, essentially. Right? Gotcha. And they were always called truths. And they would always say, know the truth. They didn't say believe this. They would say, know the truth. And when you know it, it is true.

1:00:15And it is a reality. And it was hard. It was confusing as a kid because I was like, well, but I feel this thing and there's this pain. But how can I know it? But what I'm hearing you say is believing can really help you in a big way. But knowing is what unlocks manifestation into another level. Yeah, knowing it's just done. I mean, there have been times for everybody when they knew something, they absolutely knew something was going to happen before it happened. So let's say... And how do they know that? Yes. How did you know that? And you don't know how you knew it. It's like an intuition or a feeling or something.

1:00:57Yeah, right. You knew it. Like somebody's having a baby and they don't know what sex it is, but you're like, oh, I know it's a girl. I absolutely know it's a girl. And everybody thinks you're just guessing like everybody else. No, you're like, I know it. I know it's a girl. Or there's a spinning wheel and you all of a sudden you're like, I know it's going to be number 11. I know it and it's number 11. But you knew it. You absolutely knew it. How does that happen? Yeah, because it's above the mind. It's above the mind. So you definitely know it. That's crazy. So you don't have to be at knowing to manifest.

1:01:40You just have to be at believing. And might I just say that you just have to be more believing than not believing. So that person who's not, you know, they're waiting and it hasn't manifested and they're here and here. The difference is they're not believing it is done already. The moment they're believing more that it's done than it hasn't arrived, it'll manifest. How do we stay patient? See, well, if you need patience, you're not believing it's manifested, right? Interesting. So you're done for right there. So give me an example, if there's an example in your life personally or something you've seen from a friend or someone who's read the book where they were like, man, I've been waiting for this to happen.

1:02:32It's been 10 years. I feel like it's supposed to happen. I believe it's happening, but I haven't got the thing that I've wanted yet. It hasn't happened yet. It hasn't come to fruition yet. Right. Should I have more patience in manifesting? Should I expect it's already here now? What should I do? Okay. So I've definitely had some people do that. One in particular, she was wanting to have a baby and get pregnant. She had visualized, visualized, visualized, visualized getting pregnant. She had been doing affirmations. She'd been grateful that she was getting pregnant. And she's like, still, I'm not pregnant.

1:03:12Now, I just, and I think she'd even done IVF and that hadn't worked. and so she'd sort of given up. She'd try lots of things. Yeah. And I just knew that for a woman who can't get pregnant, getting pregnant has a lot of resistance around it. Because when you've not been able to get pregnant, get pregnant, get pregnant, there's like real resistance around that getting pregnant. And so much so that the resistance was outweighing her resistance that I'm not pregnant yet was outweighing her visualization and all the other things. So I said to her, I don't want you to visualize that. I want you to visualize holding the baby because that's the outcome, right?

1:03:59That's the end result. You don't want to be pregnant for the rest of your life, right? You want to be holding the baby. So I said to her, I want you to visualize holding the baby. I want you to hear the baby. I want you to feel it in your arms. Wow. Pregnant in a month. Wow. And I've done that with a lot of women. This is, you know, even you saying that, I'm not a woman, but it's like imagining, you know, a child coming into my life from my partner and hearing the baby, having the baby against my chest, being born, you know, feeling the heartbeat of the child. Yeah. next to my heartbeat having this beautiful moment like i'm already seeing the future happening now yeah by experiencing that feeling as opposed to like i'm feeling it oh i know you better be you better be careful you better be careful i know right do you want to have children now i do at the right time yes okay at the right time yes yes okay yeah but it's like when you feel that and you really imagine and experience that feeling it's as if it's already happened or it's happening yeah and you're feeling it and therefore you're allowing that to come to you and you're allowing that as opposed to resisting it yeah where this person or friend of yours was like i really want this come here come here but uh but like it's not here yet because so many disappointments you see You know, women I know go through a lot who can't get pregnant, so there's just one disappointment after another, or maybe they got pregnant and then they miscarried.

1:05:39Somebody else, there are two Australian girls, volleyball players, and they were playing in the Olympic Games, and these girls were just so brilliant, so clever. They were not at all the favourites, far from the favourites. They were way down the chart. And what they did was they filled their entire apartment with gold awards. They got everything gold leading up to the Olympic Games. And they had gold everywhere. They bought all these awards everywhere, gold. Do you think anyone could have beaten them at the Olympic Games? Wow. No chance. Wow. The ball was going to bounce in the perfect way. They were going to be in the exact perfect position.

1:06:27you see because so when we talk about action the kind of action that you have to do for when you have used the mind that action's effortless that's why writing the secret book was effortless it's effortless but if you go out into the world and you're like make this happen and you want to do all the action, oh, you're going to struggle. Oh, it's going to be hard. You might get there eventually, but it's going to be harder than it should be. Yeah, and you'll get there eventually, but you only get there eventually because you think it gradually, bit by bit. That's the only reason you get there, because you had the thought, oh, things are getting better.

1:07:11I'm starting to see success is coming. You're having these little thoughts along the way. That's the only reason you make it. You cannot do anything in the world without thought. Nothing. You show me one invention that's happened with that thought. Right. You have to imagine it first. Right. You have to come up with it in your mind. And then you alchemize and create it in the world. Exactly. Mm-hmm. And so for those girls - You have to think it first, yeah. Yeah. So for those girls, you see, they lived with that gold and saw themselves winning gold. And so that, and I bet if you asked them, they would say winning that gold was effortless for them.

1:07:48That they just got the right breaks and everything happened. the right way for them because it would wow and you know sports people are so amazing at visualizing winning right and then it it does look effortless for them because they're in the flow yeah they're not working hard they're working they're they're effortlessly moving to their desired result right How do we navigate the ego when, let's say, when success comes our way? You know, whether these girls who win the gold medal, you know, an athlete, and you selling millions of copies in the first year or months or whatever and getting all these opportunities.

1:08:30How do we navigate the ego from not consuming us, but success actually allowing us to multiply into greater success? Yeah. really good question how did you navigate that you just you certainly have to remain humble you know and um humble and grateful and i think we've all seen people that have had success and then just rob just find themselves in the most awful drama of you know terrible situation where they made one mistake and just everything, you know, the whole world turned against them. So you have to remain humble. Otherwise, truly, it's just you're in for a really rough ride. And you could visualize all the most wonderful things and you could, you know, achieve all of that and manifest all of that.

1:09:29But if you don't remain humble, because if you look at it anyway, You never did it on your own. Like even if you just look at physically in the world, I mean, I knew we had the universe behind us. I felt it with every step that we took. But even I've got the most incredible team. I mean, we did intentions meetings at 11 o 'clock every morning. And where we intended and in those meetings, we were celebrating the secret having swept the world and having become a global phenomenon. That's what we did in those meetings. Before the book came out. Oh, yeah, but we danced and we celebrated that. That's what you've got to do.

1:10:11You had the feeling of joy and excitement and gratitude. That it was already done. Wow. Yeah. If you want to go traveling, if you want to see the world and you're like, I don't have any money, how will I ever go traveling? Straight away, law of attraction says, okay, done. You know, I don't have any money. but if you want to go travel and get out your suitcase. This is the funniest thing you said is because my fiance, Martha, she's Mexican. I grew up in this Mexican traditions and over the holidays, I don't know, this never happened to me growing up in America but over the holidays, they would do this thing around Christmas and New Year's, her family, and I believe this is a Mexican tradition, but her family, they'll all get out suitcases during the holidays and say, where do you want to go next year?

1:11:04And then we leave the house with the suitcase and say, we're going to Japan. We walk out and we skip down the sidewalk with a suitcase, me and Martha did. And then each family member does this and tells the experience of where they went. I'm going here and this is where it's going to feel like in the experience. And it's this joy and excitement talking about the trip and we take the suitcase out the door and then we come back and we tell the experience and we said this this last year Japan and now I believe we literally just booked our trip to Japan happening in like a month oh I was gonna say you are going to Japan yeah it's happening no it's happening yeah wow but even though I didn't know So when or how at the end of last year, we set an intention.

1:11:55We did. We celebrated it. We talked about it. And we allowed the universe to open up to see when is this possible? How is this possible? What are we going to be doing? Right? And things are coming to us in a way that's going to create a beautiful, magical experience. Oh, so fantastic. But we took our luggage out. Great story. And so I don't know if this is like a Mexican tradition. Oh, this is amazing. So literally what you said, they do every year. is really cool because it sets that intention. Yes, acting as if is what it is. It's acting as if you already have it. Like I remember there was this lady who wanted to be in the audience on the Oprah show when I was going to be on there.

1:12:35And the audience was completely full. It was booked out. But what she did was she got her suitcase out and she got a flight to Chicago. I mean, this is somebody really, really game. And she gets a call, a message on her phone when she lands in Chicago to say, come to the studio. We've got a seat for you. Yeah. But she had already intended it and went there. She had to get a seat. This is fascinating. Because she really, like, she really believed in you. So acting as if, like, I know I wrote this in one of my books, but there was this woman who wanted a horse. She couldn't afford to buy a horse, so she went and bought the bridle.

1:13:19And she put the bridle on her table in front of her and looked at that bridle every day. Is that the saddle? Is the bridle a saddle? The bridle, I think it's the... I'm not a really great horsey. For like the mouthpiece? Yeah, the straps that go around the head kind of thing, I think. And within a couple of weeks, she, through actually the most extraordinary set of circumstances, she got offered a horse. My goodness. Yeah, through someone, through someone, through someone, through someone, and she got offered a horse. But of course, she was acting as if she already had the horse. She bought the bridles.

1:13:55And I always say the universe abhors a vacuum. Say it again? The universe abhors a vacuum. So abhors is A-B-H-O-R-S, abhors. The universe dislikes a vacuum. The universe can't tolerate a vacuum. it has to fill it so if you create a vacuum which is why like for all the people who want to meet their perfect partner and you go to their house and their wardrobe is totally full and there's no room for their partner's clothes right and they sleep in the middle of the bed where does their partner sleep right so you've got to create a vacuum and so you're going to sleep on that side of the bed so the partner sleeps there you got to make room in the bathroom interesting you need to make room in the closet you've created a vacuum then the then the person can come into your life that's so it's so funny you say this as well because martha uh my fiance she when she was single before we started dating she bought herself uh a home and she was going to buy a queen-sized bed but her coach was like well are you trying to uh you know what type of man are you trying to attract she was like well you know a king you know i'm trying to attract my king in my life right not saying that i'm a king or whatever but like i'm trying to attract and she was just saying explain what is he what's he look like is he is he short is he tall is he you know and she was like nah he's like six four and uh you know he's an athlete and he's he needs space right and her coach was like well you can't buy a queen or full-size bed if you want to attract a bigger guy you need space like you said you need to have a bigger so for a number of months she had this big king-size bed and she's tiny she's like five two right so she was but she was sleeping on this big bed she's like ah is this weird because i have this extra space but she allowed room for me to be there as well how amazing and you hear this with your life is full of these stories right so good and you hear a lot of i'm assuming you know mothers to be they create rooms with a crib and they have the room ready for the that's like creating a vacuum right it is for the baby to then good observation right a lot of mothers do this yeah nesting or whatever it might be great observation that's another example of like okay i'm struggling yeah getting pregnant but let me just intend and set the intention that there will be a child here yes but i gotta do it before it comes yes and you know what people might say some people might say oh no, you might jinx it.

1:16:32Come on. Come on. Are you going to believe that thought? Yes. Don't believe that thought. Don't believe any thought that you don't deserve things. You deserve everything you want. Everybody deserves everything they want. And there's no shortage. Yes. This is a card you talk about with negative thoughts. When we want something, How do we learn to navigate the negative thoughts that come and go? Because not all of us are going to be able to have perfect positive thoughts all day long, especially when there's challenge or breakdown or maybe some financial strain or pain, physical pain. So how do we navigate negative thoughts based on what you've talked about?

1:17:20The secret really is to become more aware of what's going on in your mind. And you might, to begin with, just become aware of your feelings, you know, and all of a sudden you're not feeling very good. And I promise you, if you're not feeling very good, it's because you've had a whole lot of negative thoughts that you've been giving your attention to. And that's why you don't feel very good. And so you need to become more aware. And so I just had somebody yesterday say to me that they spiraled downward in a particular situation and then they kind of came out of it and they were like, why did I do that?

1:18:01Why did I let all of those thoughts get me down like that? And I said to her, but you know what? What you did is amazing because you saw it. You know, even if you went down with it, you still saw it. You came out of it and you're like, look what happened. That was all negative thoughts. But you caught it. You were aware of it. You caught it. And so for me, like really early on, you know, I would only realize a couple of days later. But the more that you do it, the faster that you catch it. And a negative thought feels so alien now or negative thoughts feel so alien that... They're foreign to you now.

1:18:48Yeah. Well, most people, negative thoughts are so familiar because that's all they know is negative thinking. I know. You get in a trap or in a cycle of thinking. You wake up negative. You wake up frustrated, resentful, and you follow through and you go to sleep frustrated and negative thinking. and it is a familiar feeling. I've been there in the past. It just becomes a familiarity of just everything is against me. The world is against me. This person is trying to take advantage of me. Negative, negative, negative. Yeah. And it can feel like you're in a trap or you're stuck. It can feel extremely hard to get out of it.

1:19:26But the more we practice what I'm hearing you say, the more we practice catching it and being aware of it and practicing having replacing it with a different type of positive, empowering thought, then the more familiar that will start to feel as well. That's right. It's just a pattern. The mind's just a program. Yes. You know, it's just a program. So it's programmed right now based on what each of us have been putting into it. And, you know, I lived like decades with, you know, caught up in dramas. I mean, I'm really grateful to the universe that it didn't wipe me out, you know, Because, oh my gosh, if I think about different negative things that I get caught up in and talking about and gossip, for example, is just such a negative, awful thing.

1:20:16It's a low frequency energy. Very low frequency. Yeah. Really low frequency. Gossip. Yeah. It's one of the lowest frequencies, I feel like, right? Sure is. Yeah. Yeah, it sure is. It doesn't empower you to attract what you want. No. And, you know, for the law of attraction, like there's only one, you. There's only one. So it is responding to your thoughts, to your words, but there's only one, there's only you. And so whatever you say about another, you're bringing to you. Can you say that one more time? Okay. So for law of attraction, it's responding to thoughts, right? And so your thoughts. And you can't think a thought for me.

1:21:00No, I can't think a thought for you, right? So law of attraction is just responding to my thoughts and it's responding to your thoughts. And so what it is doing is if I am talking about, oh, she's this, I saw her do this, I saw her, and she did that to somebody else too, this big story. You're saying all of that, all that blame, and Law of Attraction is giving it to you. Oh, man. Yeah. We can't think badly of somebody else without it affecting us. It will come back to us. Guaranteed. We're just not making the connection. And so we attract blame. So we're blaming somebody. And then we go into work the next day and we've made the biggest mistake of all time in our job.

1:21:57and we're hauled into the office and the boss is going right through us and we don't make the connection. Wow. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, no. Kind thoughts, kind... Yes, to others. Do it for you. Yes. You know... Because when we think about others, we're attracting to us as well. Yeah. It's hard, but the universe can't make that distinction, right? No. The difference. No, and there's only one for Laura Vita. In truth, there's only one too. Overall, we feel very individual, but there is only one. But for law of attraction, there's only one. And if you think about it, it has to be that way, that it's just responding here to these thoughts, to these thoughts.

1:22:44It's responding to these thoughts, to these thoughts. It's responding to these thoughts. None of it's personal. Right. Not personal at all. It's not saying, oh, I know you don't really want that. I'm not going to give it to you. But if you're speaking, you will. We're talking about the Secret Manifestation Cards by Rhonda Byrne. Make sure you guys get a few of these decks. There's tons of different decks out there in the world that people make, but I don't think I've seen a deck this beautifully done. The design, the artistry. I know Nick was heavily involved in this on your team. Yeah, amazing team.

1:23:23It's beautiful. I mean, I just want to frame these. They're like pieces of art. So they are powerful. I think it's 65 cards, 65 cards and a 16 page booklet that is in this that will give you in a moment. You pick it up. You take up the first one. You shuffle the deck. Yeah. You're going to get inspiration. And by law of attraction, like if you wake up in the morning and wake up in the morning and draw a card by law of attraction, that is the most important message you need to hear in this month. Let's go. Right? Let's go. I'm excited. I want people to get this, the Secret Manifestation cards. Oh, thank you.

1:24:02Make sure you get this. I've got a couple final questions for you, but people can get this at thesecret.tv. I believe it's the main page where they can get it. Everyone's social media, The Secret or The Secret 365 is also on Instagram, but pretty much everywhere, The Secret on social media and thesecret.tv where you can sign up for the newsletter, get information about all the books that Rhonda has. The last book, The Greatest Secret is incredible. We talked about that in our previous interview. It's incredible. I have a couple final questions for you, Rhonda, but I just wanted to say before I ask them, I'm so grateful that we're doing this in person.

1:24:43There's an amazing energy about you that is magnificent in itself. The energy, the wisdom, the passion and the joy you bring. I'm so glad we're doing this in person. I hope we can do this every year or in the future again. That would be nice. And just continue to have these conversations because I feel like there's an amazing flow here. I've loved every second. I'm very grateful you're here. And I know people love hearing from you. Thank you. I'm so glad that we're doing this. This is a question that I'm curious about because you've done so much and you've impacted tens of millions of lives. What do you see is next for you, you know, beyond this?

1:25:26Do you have a vision of what you're trying to create in the future or is it more you stay very present and allow things to come to you at this stage? Where are you at currently in your life? Um, certainly, uh, certainly I allow myself to be guided and I don't kind of make up my mind. There's a book I've been thinking about for a while and, um, for the last year and I've been doing some research on that. So that might happen. We've been doing apps. And so I've been enjoying doing that with the team as well. My, I just, all I want to do is keep creating in the hope that to reach more people and to help more people have better lives.

1:26:22Yes. And so I don't even mind what shape or form that comes in just as long as it reaches people. Yes. Yeah. And it just, I mean, that's just what you live for. And I'm sure that is the case for you too. That's what I'm doing, yeah. Right. When you get that feedback, it's just absolutely amazing. And then you're like, I knew this is what I was meant to do. Yes. And isn't it a total feeling of serving is a real feeling of that, is it not? 100%. Isn't it? Yeah. And that's where you get a lot of fulfillment when we're in service. Of course. Yeah. That's beautiful. I'm so excited. Well, we're here to support you, spread the message whenever you have the next book or project.

1:27:05Thank you. We're here to do more of this. I asked you this question the last time. It's what I asked everyone towards the end of my interviews. And I'm curious if it's the same or if it's different. and we'll have to go back and hear the previous interview to see where I was at. But this question is called the three truths. So imagine a hypothetical scenario. You get to live as long as you want in this physical world, but it's the last day for you. Somewhere in the future, it's the last day. And you get to continue to create all the books, the apps, the projects, or whatever you manifest in the future.

1:27:36It all comes true, as it has for you in the last 15, 20 years. But for whatever reason in this hypothetical scenario, you have to take everything with you. So no one has access to the manifestation cards. They don't have access to the movie, the secret, the book, or anything you've ever created. Hypothetical scenario. And all you get to leave behind are three lessons that you've learned and everything else is gone. What would be those three lessons or what I like to call three truths for you?

1:28:10Well, definitely to love everything and everyone.

1:28:19to be grateful for every moment

1:28:26and to be the joy. I love that. I'll make sure to link up the previous interview so we can see what you said before. It's probably similar. So people can watch that. I have one final question, Rhonda. Again, I want to acknowledge you for your joy, for your light, for your creativity, for showing up for yourself fully, for living a harmonious life internally so that you're able to create effortlessly in the world and be of service. It's a beautiful thing to watch. And again, I hope we get to do many more of these in the future, but I acknowledge you for the gift that you are. And I'm very grateful for the impact you've made on so many lives.

1:29:06So thank you for being here. Thank you so much. Of course. My final question is what is your definition of greatness? Humility.

1:29:20That's what I would say. Yeah. Because I think if you're humble, then you've definitely got greatness inside you. I hope today's episode inspired you on your journey towards greatness. Make sure to check out the show notes in the description for a rundown of today's show with all the important links. And if you want weekly exclusive bonus episodes with me as well as ad-free listening experience, make sure to subscribe to our Greatness Plus channel on Apple Podcast. If you enjoyed this, please share it with a friend over on social media or text a friend, leave us a review over on Apple Podcast and let me know what you learned over on our social media channels at Lewis Howes.

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