Embrace GRATITUDE & Unleash a World of Positive Energy & Opportunities

0:00If you're in a state of gratitude, it makes total sense. then you will accept, believe, and surrender the thoughts that are equal to that emotional state. And you could actually program your autonomic nervous system to make the pharmacy of chemicals that causes growth and repair to happen in the body. When people understand what they're doing and they understand why they're doing it, the Howe gets easier. Welcome to the School of Greatness. My name is Lewis Howe. I'm a former pro athlete turned lifestyle entrepreneur. And each week we bring you an inspiring person or message to help you discover how to unlock your inner greatness.

0:34Thanks for spending some time with me today. Now let the class begin.

0:43Welcome to this special masterclass. We brought some of the top experts in the world to help you unlock the power of your life through this specific theme today. It's gonna be powerful, so let's go ahead and dive in.

1:00I promise you start giving, start feeling grateful. And then start practicing feeling gratitude. Teach your body just for 15 minutes a day what it would like to feel gratitude, what it would be like. And our data shows that you take someone to do that for four days, three times a day. They make an amuloglobulin called amuloglobulin A. It's your body's natural flu shot. It's the greatest immune chemical we have. 50 % increase. in the subjects we studied in four days. Immunoglobulin A, up 50 % in four days. Where is that chemistry coming from? They're not taking anything, it's coming from within them, right?

1:42No supplements, no injections, no topicals. No, no, no. Just their bodies, their autonomic nervous system is manufacturing a pharmacy of chemicals that's causing an immunity to the body. Wow. Right? So now, a person practice feeling gratitude, okay? What is the emotional signature of gratitude? When you receive something, or you just receive something, when something wonderful happened to you, or something wonderful is happening to you, you feel grateful. Yes. So the emotional signature of gratitude is something just wonderful happened, or something is happening to me. Joyful, it's exciting. But you're in a state of receivership.

2:17Yes. You've just received something, right? So the emotional signature of gratitude is received, right? So now, if you're in a state of gratitude, it makes total sense, then you will accept, Let's believe and surrender the thoughts that are equal to that emotional state. And you could actually program your autonomic nervous system to make the pharmacy of chemicals that causes growth and repair to happen in the body. Wow. And that's exactly what we're discovering. So then when people understand what they're doing and they understand why they're doing it, the how gets easier. So you can assign meaning to the task and switch on the prefrontal cortex.

2:52And when you switch on that prefrontal cortex, it wants to get an outcome. it doesn't want to mess around it wants the outcome you're doing it for the outcome and that's kind of a strong intention and a change in energy or an emotional state and that's changing your state of being and when you change your state of being like that every day get ready because you're going to start having synchronicities and opportunities and coincidences and weird things start happening in your life to prove to you that you're actually the creator of your life instead of the victim of your life absolutely gosh there's so much i want to unpack care.

3:24One of them is you mentioned something around 75 to 90 % of people go into the doctor's office and it's based on an emotional imbalance that probably causes or influences them to be there, right? They might feel physical pain, but it's based on an emotional state that they've been in for a long time that gets there. And a host of bad choices that may go with that. But a lot of it is emotional as a baseline. That's exactly correct. You talked about frequency, we talked about emotional signatures, and we talked about identity and personality. When I went to your advanced seven-day experience, when I went there, you had an entire, I don't know, probably a few-hour explanation about frequencies and energies.

4:08the highest level frequency where we could be at to allow us to feel more abundant and peaceful and have balance and harmony to lower level frequencies that are going to cause us to feel more stress and anger and you know feel like we're in constant breakdown right and the higher the frequency we get to the more conscious we are the lower the frequency the more unconscious we are essentially I'm paraphrasing, you know, hours of research and science that you teach during this. What is the lowest level of emotion that will keep us stuck in a non-receivership, a non-abundant mentality and state and a place of pain versus the highest level of emotion that we could be in more frequently that will allow us to feel more peace and harmony in our health, but also in our life what are those two opposite emotions okay um i just want to finish the last thought about physical chemical and emotional stress i want to and then i want to answer that so if you're truly interested then in sustaining homeostasis and home and balance then you're going to have to self-regulate yes and and it would be wonderful and we're working we have this new program called the InterHealth Coalition because we've had so many doctors, so many researchers, so many healthcare providers come through our events.

5:36Many of them heal themselves from all kinds of health conditions from spinal cord injuries to stage four cancers that really just want to really look to see how this model could actually fit in their clinic. And there's got to be a different conversation that can happen around health because chronic health conditions are created from a lifestyle and if you don't change your lifestyle nothing is going to change because nothing changes in our life until we change so then if then you would go to a practitioner where you could actually practice brain and heart coherence which is our formula get your brain feeling those elevated emotions, sorry, get your heart feeling those elevated emotions, and then get your brain coherent, and do the exercises to get your brain and body back into regulation, into homeostasis.

6:34And then the key element is not that you react. I mean, who doesn't react? The question is - You're perfect, Dr. Joe. You never react, right? Yeah. The question is how long. How long are you going to do that for? I mean, if you keep it going on then there must be an addiction because an addiction is something you think you can't stop or knowing something isn't good for you and you do it anyway that's when you know you're addicted right so so then t get the patient to really work on the emotional states that are keeping them and their body in the past it's so hard for people i feel like yeah because because because up until recently there haven't been a whole lot of scientifically proven formulas or ways to teach people how to do that people by nature want to get over their emotional state they just been hypnotized they've been programmed they've been conditioned into using something outside of them to take away this feeling inside to numb the pain yeah to it's nothing wrong distract numb but but you could you could you know you could go watch a movie or you know you could do this you can do that you can do we do all these different things go out to dinner just just to make the feeling away but the problem is the feeling always comes back right and so now when the person reaches that point where they're saying nothing's making this feeling go away this is game time this is where the person's not responding to texts any longer right they're not want to go to dinner with the same people they don't want to do the same things they don't watch that want to watch the same tv show they want to get on the computer any longer this is this feeling is disturbing nothing's making it no drug no shopping spree no no sports car nothing's making this feeling go away this is a this is a key moment right because now the person's going to start to realize that no one or nothing in their life is going to make this feeling go away but them right and this is the key moment this is where the person really decides to change this is the because they can see themselves for the first time because they no longer feel like themselves.

8:39They're no longer distracted by that. They can see how they think. They can notice how they've been acting and decide, oh my god, I don't want to do that anymore. The choices they've made or the experiences they just want to no longer do and the feelings that they no longer want to feel, right? And they start breaking their emotional agreements with everybody and everything in their life and people really get worried because they're no longer predictable. They're not showing up as the memory of themselves, right? So, what do you do? You medicate them, the person's depressed, you know, their midlife crisis, but really, it's the soul saying, there's a future and you may not know what it is, but you can't go back to that.

9:16You just can't go back any longer. You can't, you already know, you can predict everything that's going to happen. You got to start, you got to start saying no, or you got to start looking deeper, you got to start changing. And And this is where it's so important for people then to understand that this is not a bad thing. This is actually a good thing. It just doesn't feel good any longer because you're ready to change, right? So this is what we should be naturally doing. So when the person says, oh my God, I want to feel something else in my life than this. Okay, I'm going to watch how I respond to my coworker.

9:54I'm going to rewatch how I respond to my own thoughts. When did I default today and return back to the old self? And they get really serious about looking closely at how they can change the way they think, act, and feel. And we have so many testimonials of people that were diagnosed with chronic health conditions and they got themselves in their meditations back into elevated emotional states and changed their energy and changed their frequency. we get to that um but then they get up from their meditation and they spend the next 15 hours in in fear and frustration why is that though because they went unconscious they defaulted so you got got to get so good at doing it with your eyes closed you got to start doing it with your eyes open oh man and that's the big game the game that is the game that is the game that is the game right because this is the plane of demonstration you got to demonstrate so you got to you got to start that's why the walking meditations are so important in our work because you got to walk as it if you're going to be relaxed in your heart and awaken your brain you better do with your eyes open so let's practice with our eyes no other way to do it you want to get so good at it that you can do it in the most adverse situations that's you know when you own it right so so then the person then realized that she had to watch her response to her ex she had to watch her response to her bank account she had to watch her response to the news all of those things she didn't no drug no surgery no chemo no radiation no diet no supplements were taking her health condition away until she realized i had to change right so now she's she's she noticed doing her meditations her pain levels went down she noticed she was sleeping better she knew she had more energy but her values for that health condition were still the same and she said it's not that this doesn't work they weren't she wasn't doing her meditations any longer to heal she was doing her meditations to change and so then she'd say okay what do i want to believe today what thought do i want to fire and wire in my brain remember it i gotta keep remembering so i don't forget to think this way and a belief is just a thought you keep thinking over and over again so she wanted to hardwire that in her brain she wanted that to be a new voice in her head because thoughts that wire together fire together and wire together right so then how am i going to behave closing your eyes and rehearsing how you're going to be with your your ex and literally there's got to be another way to be i can't respond the way i have respond it's only weakening me i've got to change my state okay i'm going to be loving let me rehearse it mental rehearsal when you keep doing it rehearsing yourself in the scene planning your behaviors your brain will look like you already did it and if you keep doing it it's going to become more more automatic it's going to become like a software program so the brain looks like the experience has already happened and now you have you have you have hardware and software in place to use when you're with your ex because you installed it right so now you're now you're doing the meditation to remind yourself who you no longer want to be and remind yourself who you do want to be so now okay the person's now behaves that way and now her response to her ex is different evolution that day and the body's no longer brought back to the past and she does it once and she wants to do it again she wants to get better at it and she starts healing then she says I got to stay in this emotional state.

13:04I don't care who it is or what it is. Let me close my eyes. I'm going to feel this emotion a hundred times if I have to, just so that I can feel it so many times that I can bring it up whenever I want. Now they're becoming familiar with a new state of being, right? And when you feel the emotion of your future before it happens, you'll always believe in that future. Wow. And if you feel the emotion that keeps you connecting in your past, you'll believe in your past. And that's just the way it is. And then you return back to the same self, your same biology, thinking the same thoughts, making the same choices, doing the same things, creating the same experiences, feeling the same emotions.

13:39And your biology, your neurocircuitry, your neurochemistry, your hormones, your gene expression all stays the same because you just return back to the same. Okay, so we said, seven days. Taking a group of people is what I said to the scientists at University of California, San Diego. Seven days. Biology stays the same. And they all agreed. I said, give people new information. Combine quantum physics with neuroscience, with neuroendocrinology, with psychoneuroimmunology, with epigenetics, with electromagnetism. Build models of understanding. Get people to learn new information. They're going to have new thoughts.

14:12Now give them the instruction so they can make a new choice. They can do a new thing. They can create a new experience. They can feel a new emotion. Will their biology change in seven days? Lo and behold, it changed way greater than we ever expected. novice meditators people who never came to a week-long event never really meditated that much the novice meditators seven days their biology at the end of seven days looked like they were living in a whole new life and it wasn't you know 20 or 10 it was the majority of the collective now all of those people have different genomes different genotypes and they're all different cultures, different races, different ages.

14:54But when we look at the biology of gene expression, they're signaling the same genes. They're making the same proteins. The collective, the herd, the flock, the school of fish, there's an emergent biology that's changing collectively. The probability of that happening is insanely minimal. Let me just say that. So then, think differently, make a different choice, do a different thing, create new experience, feel new emotion, keep doing that. Your biology will change. And that's exactly how people heal. So the emotions that keep us, I would say, in our more limited animal, a million human state have everything to do with anger and aggression, fear and anxiety and suffering and pain and guilt and shame.

15:49And, you know, our... Resent man. Resent me. All of those, those are your... Think of energy as emotion. so those emotions um are should should ultimately be retired as wisdom because the memory without the emotional charge is wisdom and now the game is over and you're ready for a new experience and you can't go to the future holding on to the emotion of the past right so you got to overcome that emotional state so then wow you start feeling gratitude you start feeling more gratitude you start feeling love you start feeling more love you start feeling kindness you start feeling care you start feeling appreciation you start feeling creative you start feeling inspired you practice feeling those emotions and you get that heart of yours back into balance we discover that once energy makes it to the heart it's going right to the brain and it's going to go straight up and it's going to tell the brain in that moment the heart is the creative center it's safe to create and the person moves out of survival and the brain like like grabbing a big sheet and going like that creates a wave of energy right to the brain, coherent energy of the brain, and the brain goes into a creative alpha state and the brain is getting information.

17:02The heart is informing the brain. Think of something new. Think of a new possibility. It's a creative state. And the person starts seeing pictures and images. Well, keep sustaining that relaxed in your heart, awake in your brain. We see how long people can hang with that. We got the brain and heart hooked up together. And then here it comes. you start seeing resonance taking place there's waves riding waves and faster waves building on waves so delta the base is carrying theta but it's a harmonic and theta is carrying alpha and alpha is carrying beta beta is carrying high beta and high beta is going in the gamma and when that occurs the person is feeling ecstasy there's an arousal an arousal taking place in the nervous system but the arousal isn't fear it's not fear it's not anger it's not pain that's typically what creates an arousal arousal is ecstasy so the person's feeling wholeness they're feeling connected they're feeling aware they're super conscious the brain is no longer in discoherence the brain is in resonance there's waves carrying waves there's harmonics there's order within order there's patterns within patterns nested observer windows the brain is functioning mathematically and so you see that happening and you ask the person from their subjective experience how did that feel they say i felt so whole i felt such bliss i felt such connection i felt such pure love i no longer wanted anything i no longer it's impossible to want when you're in that state no desire is for something because you're not in lack there's no you're in wholeness the exact opposite and that's the place to create from right not from lack because lack means i'm going to wait for that thing to happen out there to take away the lack or separation from not having it right this is like your body's believing it's already in that future and that's exactly what we discovered at the end of seven days people move into that state and they're they're making thousands of metabolites information is in their blood at the end of seven days that wasn't there before and they're not taking any exogenous substance.

19:11They're not changing their diet. It's coming from within them. So then the person who starts feeling wholeness, it gets very difficult to describe those emotions. It's ineffable. I mean, we ask people, what was it? And they just, they just well up in tears and they say, I don't know. It's the most familiar, unfamiliar feeling I've ever had. Like I'm remembering what I forgot. Like I forgot that I'm this. I am pure love. I am this, you know. And I think when we have those experiences, at least when I've had those experiences, I think the takeaway is that it didn't come from out there, from anyone or anything.

19:49It came from within me. And I think that's the real fundamental moment where people stop looking outside of them. It's always been within them. And that relationship that they develop, okay, yeah, we all take hard knocks during our lives. And we all have stressors in our life and we're all trying to do as much as we can and you know walk the tightrope but but a person who every single day says um i'm not going to get up from my meditation until i absolutely feel like i'm i'm that person man it's a very different thing because people say why do you do your meditations in the morning i say because if i can overcome me the rest of my day is easy so you know on the path that i'm kind that i've kind of chosen you know it's it's it's been interesting living in in this in this atmosphere that is so uh you're kind of inundated with with that vibe but then trying to see through it and and and honor yourself and and do what's good for you what's healthy for you and your family a son helps kids help.

20:56It keeps you grounded and humble because they don't really care who you are, how cute you look what rolls you got you know what I mean, you can have really fresh Jordans and a nice ride but if they have a if they have a fit in the middle of Whole Foods they don't really give a so that's cool so they help but you know, I'll be in the movie theater and I'll be looking at the next Anthony Anthony, oh he's another one too really really good anthony mackie film um and i'll have that little twinge of oh should i be on this poster and then my people thinking i'm not relevant because i'm on a tv show and um but then i have to tell myself i'm happy you know and would i be you know would i be happy being the next you know black spider-man or whatever maybe but that's months away from the kid and yeah my bones my knees i don't know if i could be do all those stunts right uh you know it's a young man's game so uh wow uh and you know it's it's it's tough to do all that and then and then try to to give back you know what i mean for me yeah so uh so you know that's that's probably the the struggle because there's still that little there's still that that young tay diggs that fighter you know the the flame you know in my eye that that still wants to I still want to get an Oscar.

22:20I still love the publicity and whatnot. So I guess that's probably the biggest challenge, is keeping myself grounded, realizing what is real. Do you know what I mean? Because if you let that stuff take you over, it will take you over. And I don't want to. It's unfulfilling probably after that. Yeah, man. Yeah. At the end of the day, my son, he fulfills me. Do you know what I mean? um you know reading it sounds so corny but you know being in being the lead of a movie is great but uh but you know when you read read to children and you're affecting lives like that you know that doesn't go away yeah you know i mean in you know kids like if i had written you know where the wild things are do you know i mean legacy right you know i mean that doesn't go away people will forget if I'm Spider-Man.

23:14Yeah. You know what I mean? No matter how much the opening weekend is, people forget real quick. Too quick. Do you know what I mean? Especially if you haven't done anything in two, three years. And it's really not fair. It's really not fair, especially as an African-American actor. People are making history, and it's just getting overlooked. Do you know what I mean? So I'm cool. Yeah, yeah. I'm cool. What's the biggest fear for you moving forward? in life and your career oh it's all just my my son's health you know when you when you have a child uh it's it's it's the most vulnerable thing uh yeah uh it's crazy so um you know i just try to put that out of my head and just stay positive because if i think about what my life would be without him or if something awful happened to him i don't even know right so that's that's that's an easy question to answer yeah yeah because you really don't have control for something like i mean i'm i'm choosing to believe i do sure i'm willing it so but at the end of the day you know yeah so um i just try to stay positive and and and keep him in my prayers i hear you um in the act i mean you're around a lot of actors all the time Do you feel like self-love is something that actors need more of?

24:39I think the world needs more of it. Yeah, yeah. 100%. What do you think, how do you practice self-love yourself? And how would you give back to people listening who are maybe struggling or trying to figure out their worth in the world? Whether it be in a relationship, career, anything. What's some ways you can practice? What's not building your ego too much, but it's like the fulfilling self-love, you know? Sure, sure. I think it manifests itself differently in different people. You know, like for me, with talent, you know, I didn't have an issue because people were always there telling me that I had something.

25:20You know, it had to deal with, for me, deserving the pretty girl or deserving to be in a conversation, you know. So I think at the end of the day, it's tough, man. It's one of the hardest. I think it could be one of the hardest things to do, which is just convince yourself that you are worth it. Just you who you are. And not comparing yourself or putting yourself in a context. Because it's so easy to say, oh, am I as intelligent as this person? and then looking at what you have to offer in terms of intelligence because it's not about that because that can easily be taken away or you cannot have it.

26:16So you have to find who you are as a person regardless of everything else and everyone else around you and just be cool with that and let that power you so that no matter how great, how handsome, how talented no matter how whatever it is you are you can you consider yourself more than enough yeah and in this world that's based on all of that other it's really tough to do because we're here and the first thing we ask ourselves you know what what do i have to offer what makes me different what makes me special so that's that's where i think that the difficulty comes in do you have a practice that you do like every morning to help you get ready for the day or a ritual or routine yes i do it just changes every three days you know what i mean because i'm still i'm still on that tip of what works yeah yeah so if i if i like meditate for 20 minutes then i have a great day for the next week i'll meditate and then until i have a sucky day and then i'll try some else Sure, sure.

27:21But, you know, it's tough to not be result-oriented, you know, growing up an actor and dealing with sports. But for me, it's having a practice and something that kind of forces you to be outside yourself and realize that there's something more. I think whatever that is, I feel like you're pretty good if you can focus on that. Yeah. That being one of the things, you know, and then and then afterwards, then actually focusing on yourself so that you can allow yourself to focus more on other people. You know what I mean? Sure, sure. It's tough, man. Yeah. It's tough. this cycle of life is the most difficult just because I'm the most aware.

28:18And at the same time, you know, with being split and a divorce and a single father, you know, I have the most, yeah, I've got a full plate. So every once in a while, I'll feel sorry for myself just because I just feel like I'm working constantly trying to be a good person trying to be a good father trying to take the high road you know trying to be more mindful trying to be more forgiving and sometimes i want to say let me i mean sometimes i do i just came from vegas you said it that whole weekend and i was pretty unmindful and you know what i mean uh but i can't wait till i get to the point where you know i don't have to binge you know where i can you know where i can just it can just be life and that can just be where i chill out as opposed to kind of winding it up winding it up and then feeling like i have to unwind you know to the point where it's you know alcohol and girls and dancing and clubs and you know i still got a little bit of that in me um so you got the young tate digs in you you know because i never it's it's so many so many things i never got to do that as a young man.

29:29You know, grew up really religious and then came into success quick and then got married quick. Working all the time, just focused. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah. And then was really judgmental with, you know, oh, these people, you're a bad person if you do this. And slowly, I started to open up my eyes and started to experiment with stuff. And, you know, clubs are fun. It can be fun. You know what I mean? Girls can be fun. So, you know, I'm coming off that train now, but every once in a while, it's still fun. It just go a little crazy. Sure. What are non-negotiables for you? Like every day that you're like, I have to do this every day no matter what.

30:05Or I'm going to, maybe it's not meditate, but I'm going to eat a certain way. I'm going to think a certain thing. It's one of those things. It's either working out. Well, you know, to be honest, I force myself to think of others and kind of walk a path of trying to love. You know what I mean? As corny as that sounds. Trying empathy. You know what I mean? Empathy is what it is. every day I'm forcing myself to try to see if somebody rubs me the wrong way, if somebody does something, whether it be to me or to someone else, or if someone comes to me and asks some advice, I force myself to try to say something that will kind of throw a positive spin on something.

31:05and not go the negative route. Yeah. You know, I feel good about that. I feel good about myself. Yeah. When it, when it comes to that, that's something that I'm, I'm, I'm pretty diligent in, I think doing. There's a lot of young actors and people, writers, people in the entertainment world that I know listen to this. If you could say that there's like the mistakes that a lot of actors make and the things that they do well, what would be like the top two or three things that you think, if you're a young actor, writer, trying to make it in this world, what should they really be focusing on? And what is holding them back that you see?

31:46You know what? I was thinking of writing a book that was kind of grounded in humor that has to do with what is going to be like the actor's handbook to becoming famous. Because it's a cliche, you know, it's like there's a young person's got all this talent, you know, maybe they start off doing plays, then they do a play, they win award, then they get the cards come to Hollywood, you know, then they do the whole Hollywood thing and it really, you know, chews them up. They date a celebrity lady, get married, the drugs, the strip clubs, this, that, and then they fall out, fall, go to rehab and then pick this role and get nominated for an Oscar.

32:32So part of me thinks that it's pretty, you know, you just need to stay grounded and to keep focused and to kind of not fall prey. Have someone have your back. Do you know what I mean? But then, you know, but then you don't get, you know, sometimes I think you need to get roughed up. You need experiences so that things mean something. you know like all the that I've been through I've been through it so now I know yeah um for a minute I was living a great life I thought I was you know a good person and kind and but I didn't know you know I mean I didn't know what people meant I didn't know what it was like to to struggle to a certain extent and until I did you know um the world didn't open up you know uh you need experiences, no matter what.

33:26I'm not telling everybody to get addicted to drugs and spend$100 ,000 at a strip club. But everybody has their own kind of path. So I don't want people to end up killing themselves, but I think it's good that people experience some friction. What does that mean, that they should just be constantly going out, putting themselves out to bigger roles or bigger opportunities and failing essentially or getting said no to i think people should follow their instincts you know i i i truly do um um i mean i could sit here and say you know be focused and stay out of trouble and you know i think at a young age if people can realize that there's something outside of themselves that there's a a greater energy you know I don't think you can go wrong there but you know people living their lives and having their own experiences I think it it's you know it bodes well for them you know being selfish you know all of that you know thinking of others do you but think of others and just go for it go hard yeah Tiff wanted me to ask you a question and she said what was it like to work with uh i'm not answering tiffany you don't know me uh in private practice you worked with uh shonda rhymes right yeah and she's a big fan of her she's reading her book right now so are you me too she wanted to know something about yes there's something that what is it the year the year yes so she wanted to know what was it like working with her she's it's a big inspiration for her in the in the entertainment world oh man well that was one um yeah that was I had my kid when I was on her show.

35:16That was a time in my life, you know, time and time again, I feel like I've been blessed. And then, you know, the thing about this, being human, being an actor, being in L.A., really, really amazing things can happen to you, and then you can forget, and then have fear and doubt. And I swear to God, actors have the, you know, we have the shortest just memories. You know, things can be so bad, you know, and then we can say, all I need is this job. And, you know, once I get this gig and once I get this car, I'll be fine. Then we get the gig in the car and we're just complaining about what it's like to be in that car and in that gig.

35:59Really? Oh, man. I mean, actors are awful. We're awful people. Okay. We're so, you know, we want for free. And if the car's not here at the minute and the cable's not, I mean, you know, if I'm not on this magazine color. and oh, dude. And we come from nothing, you know? Right, right. So it's not, you would think we would be the most appreciative group on the planet and instead it's the opposite. You're getting the most attention. Oh, totally. You're getting the most recognition. You know what I mean? On the red carpet, just frowning because somebody else, you know, went before you. Really? When you just got dropped off in your limo or the car doesn't come on time.

36:39You're wearing a$10 ,000 outfit. Totally. I'm sitting here next to Sandra Bullock. I was supposed to be before her. Come on, man. But you get caught up in it. See, I got caught up in that. What was the question? Shonda Rhimes. So I was on a gig where I was like, all right, this next thing, I want to shoot a gun. So I was on a show where I was shooting a gun and doing stunts and being the tough guy. And so that ended. And then I thought to myself, you know what, I would love to be on a show like like Grey's Anatomy. You know, Shonda Rhimes, I could just, you know, really act and have those amazing monologues and wear a suit.

37:21And the next thing I know, she called me in and she's like, I'm this new. There was this new show, you know, I'm creating with with Kate Walsh and it's a spinoff. And and I was like, that's this is a dream come true. Wow. You know, you really can manifest some some some stuff. And she was just she was just wonderful. Wow. I don't know. How I can only assume that everybody else had the experience that I had, but I don't know if it was because I was black or, you know, a young man. but I really felt like she was looking out for me. We'd have meetings about the character, and I could tell that she was very protective of the character I played.