How to Perform Under Pressure Without Losing Yourself | Chloe Kim

26:12Lewis Howes:Yes. How so? Well, cause I couldn't focus, but I, but with snowboarding, that was like the thing I could really lock in on. Cause you gotta be in the flow on the slopes. You can't be distracted in the air. Yeah. And I wasn't, I was so focused. whenever I was, when I had my snowboard attached to my feet, like tunnel vision. You're in the zone. In the zone. And I feel like, you know, another symptom I had was just chronic exhaustion. So I, after snowboarding, like I didn't want to go hang out with friends. Like I didn't want to go out. Like I just wanted to rest. And so I feel like when I was on snow, all I did was snowboard and recover.

26:50Snowboard, recover, snowboard, recover. and I also feel like I never really experienced fear like I wasn't really like scared of trying tricks and I have a very vivid just imagination so I feel like if I wanted to try a trick I could visualize it before you know without even doing it if I watched videos of other people doing it I could like gauge what they would be seeing and that was always fun because then I'd go try it and I would see what I thought I would see.

27:22Lewis Howes:And you didn't have fear that what, you would fall or hurt yourself or not make it or? No. Really? Yeah, which is kind of crazy. Huh. Yeah, so I would say that's maybe my one superpower that I had in my sport was just, I was always ready to go help myself. It's fearless. But do you think that the ADHD helped you become fearless? Or is it just part of it? I think it kind of, I don't know how to describe it but it's almost like because I my mind was always so occupied and busy I'm always thinking and you know snowboarding being my sport it was always about snowboarding for the most part and so I feel like I've thought about everything snowboarding related and then I would just always think about how I could be better at that because that was the one thing I could focus on.

28:16So if I had a bad day on, you know, in training, I'd come back home and really just like think about where it went wrong, what I need to try, different things that I could try. Like I would just hyperanalyze and focus on that.

28:28Lewis Howes:Is this like watching videos of yourself doing this or watching other videos of other people and seeing how you could make this happen in your mind or how? Or like maybe like remember seeing what I was seeing when I was training and then and trying to like alter that and correct that. In your mind. In my mind. So not watching video and doing this, but like a mental rehearsal. Mental rehearsal, nonstop obsessive, nonstop. My mind is so loud. So it did affect my sleep in a lot of ways. Yeah. Would you be thinking about this all in bed at night, like just rehearsing tricks in your mind? Yeah, like whenever I had a moment.

29:02Lewis Howes:Interesting. Because I'm competitive, you know, I want to go out there the next day and get it right. I also hate wasting time. So I'm like, all right, I have two more weeks here. Also sport being weather dependent. Right. Right. I'm like, okay, there's two sunny days. I need to lock in and get this done on these sunny days. So what can I do right now to prepare for tomorrow? Do you feel like the constraints of not having snow year round actually allowed you to be better than if you had the ability to practice every week all year round? I mean, you still can practice every week all year. But you were living here, I guess.

29:42But when I first started and started going pro, I would go to New Zealand. I would go to Switzerland, go on Mountain Hood in Oregon. I'm always on snow. I'd maybe get a month off each year.

29:57Lewis Howes:Got it. But then I got to a point where it started catching up to me. It's a lot, right? Yeah. I remember when I turned 20, I was like, I don't think I can do this anymore. Like, it hurts. Hurts. I also went to college for a year, so I feel like when I came back from that, I was like, wait, there's so many things I'm interested in, and it's sad that I don't get to experience those things. I want to give myself a little more time to become a whole person and not just snowboard. not just the greatest snowboarder of all time but someone else that also has a life yeah i would love to have a life seemingly i don't know just you know there are other things that i love and i'm very passionate about and i feel like i started to realize that when i was at school actually and started meeting people that had nothing to do with sports action sports in general but were just so smart and passionate about other things in their lives and were working towards those things yeah i wanted that too and i feel like i'd already accomplished it in snowboarding And I think naturally I developed some curiosity for the other sides of the world and the other sides of things that, you know, maybe I could experience.

31:07Yeah. And so after that awakening, I'll call it, I was like, I don't think I can travel this much anymore. I want to, because I also recognize that I am not going to snowboard forever. And I think when I was at school, I had this scary realization of what am I going to do after?

31:26Lewis Howes:Right. You know, what am I going to do? who am I after sports exactly and I feel like I wanted to nurture that when I was still you know a teenager you know 20 1920 um so I started taking more time for myself I stopped going to New Zealand and all these places and I would start training you know like mid-fall as opposed to starting in mid-summer yeah yeah interesting and I also I don't know correct me if I'm wrong, but I also heard you never really worked out. You didn't like working on the gym. Yeah. But we actually met in the gym. I know. You're working out. I know. When did that through Roy?

32:05Lewis Howes:So shout out to Roy. But when did you start working out or, you know, enjoying it or liking that process? I mean, I still don't like. Yeah. It's still hard. It's still hard. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'd much rather be eating. Yeah. Yeah. Sugar candy all day. Eating brunch, you know, with my girls instead of being at the gym for an hour. But I think, so when we first met, when was that? It was probably a year and a half, two years ago, maybe something like that. Yeah. Somewhere on there. Yeah. Okay. Is that kind of when you started? That's when I started being more consistent. Really? Yeah. Why did you decide from never working out or not working out that much, except for on the slopes, which is a workout, but going to the gym and working on, I guess, given types of working out.

32:50Yeah.

32:50Lewis Howes:Why did you decide to take that on? well that was kind of my fitness journey is definitely a journey so let's talk about it so i think after the first olympics 2018 i some people were telling me that maybe i should look into a trainer because i had partially torn my acl when i was 15 and i don't know i just wasn't that strong in that leg and so obviously okay let's work out and hit the gym cool i met a trainer through nike that's also how i met vinnie was through this trainer and i just like wasn't really consistent like i would do it for a bit and then i wouldn't and then i'd do it yeah but i'm like oh i'm still young and like i want to have fun during the summers like i didn't really learn time management well yet you know like schedules and structure so then covid happened i went to school and then covid happened into going into my spring semester and i put on a lot weight when i was at college really but like whatever but then covet hit and we doubled down yeah it was bad you'd double down on the weight gain yeah just like eating eating you know chilling not going outside yeah of course um and then i i think that's also when i started to work with roy because like during COVID like the 2021, 2022.

34:102021 I think and then I went back to snowboarding and it hurt like oh my gosh. Really? Yes because I gained 40 pounds.

34:20Lewis Howes:Come on. Yeah so I was. 40 pounds of muscle though right? You know you were. I wish. I really wish but yeah so I was sitting at you know, 40 pounds heavier than I was the last time I snowboarded and it hurt. Just like the recovery? I mean, being on the slopes or landing or all of it. You know, and I think that I was like, oh my gosh, I'm getting old because this hurts for the first time. But when you think about it. You're like 20s. I know. I know. It should be fine. But it'd be like, if I fall on my butt kind of hard, I'd be bedridden for a week. Really? Because, you know, we fall from pretty high.

34:56Lewis Howes:Like 30, 40 feet in the air, I feel like. Yeah, because the wall's 22 feet. So then you add how much you go from there and then you fall. It's like a lot. When I go snowboarding and I jump like three feet, I'm like scared to fall. If I do a 180, I'm like, I don't want to hurt myself. I know. You're going so high. So high. And doing all these spins and falling a lot. And it just really felt like I was getting beat up. Then I somehow made it to Beijing, but I was still carrying extra weight on me. And after that season, I was like, I can't do this anymore. This is so painful. It makes me never want to do this again.

35:31It's not enjoyable, huh? It's not. It's so hard. And I don't like being in this much pain. I'm used to pain, but this is excessive over something so small. We fall on our butts all the time. And the fact that I couldn't handle it was just really hard for me. And so that's when I just locked in. After Beijing, I just locked in and I was like, I'm going to be consistent. I'm going to go every morning. I'm really going to stick to this I'm going to start jogging Roy got me onto jogging started doing Pilates and I feel great yeah you look fit

36:04Lewis Howes:thank you yeah we met in the gym I'd say there a few different times and I was like she's fit yeah she's shaped strong yes I love it so much wow and I think now I feel good like after a workout so I enjoy how I feel afterwards yeah but getting there and starting getting there is rough yeah yeah You know, when he has a start on the bike, that's rough. Roll your feet on the thing first and then on the bike. How do you feel getting in the gym the last four years supported you physically for this time around at the Olympics then? I think that if I hadn't put that much work in, I don't think I would have been able to come back in the way I did.

36:45Really? Yeah. Because, you know, people will still compete in their respective sports with injuries. And sometimes you need like expedited rehab to get you there, you know, for something like the Olympics, like a really important game or whatever. um i think the reason why a lot of athletes are able to do that and have such a quick turnaround is because they put in the work before you know our muscles do protect us from a lot of things you know people i have a partially torn acl and so i got my legs really strong and now everything's supported because my legs are strong um i even think with my shoulder you know my arms are strong so like it can just support it a bit more than if i didn't have all those you know just put all that time into it and i think that overall i just feel healthier like i feel like i'm not in as much pain as i typically would be after a season because even one trip to snow you get pretty banged up yeah you know and so it's nice that when i come home like yes i'm sore but i can bounce back pretty quickly and find you know just peace and painlessness sure yeah yeah Yeah.

37:58Lewis Howes:I mean, now, when was the, was it a couple months ago that the Olympics ended, right? Yeah. A couple months ago. Now that you've had a little bit of time to kind of reflect, what is, what's the vision for the next few years for you? And you've accomplished everything. Like you said, you accomplished your goal this time around. It, you know, is it trying to create new experiences in life? Are you still trying to train? Like what's next for your sports career? I think, you know, I like to give myself time. I feel like I still haven't fully settled. Yeah. Because we are so busy post-Olympics. Interviews.

38:38All over the place. Yeah. So I feel like I'm still in the midst of the chaos.

38:42Lewis Howes:You're still in the Olympics. Yeah. I'm still there. Wow. Yeah. But I don't, so yeah, I don't know. You're not sure. I don't know. And I don't think I need to know anytime soon. I feel like I have time to make decisions. and I feel like there's a lot of like big decisions that are going to need to be made and I also want to honor that I am a person outside of this too and I want to continue to nurture that side of myself and so I'm again really blessed to be in a position where there's not something else I want really badly enough to where I'm going to have tunnel vision and just lock in on that one thing, I think now I'm in a position where I can kind of do what feels right for me.

39:29Yeah. It makes sense.

39:30Lewis Howes:Yeah. I've been watching some of your content just of you talking about your interests outside of sports and you talking about your relationship a lot more online and sharing photos of you guys. I'm curious, what's the biggest lesson that he's taught you through this journey as he's top in the world of what he does and shout out Cleveland Browns, but I'm from Ohio. But is there any lesson that he's taught you through this journey from one elite athlete to another? First of all, so inspirational. It's been really fun to be by his side and support him and watch him do all of these amazing things.

40:04He's the most deserving. He works so hard. Hard. And I think that's definitely a big takeaway. So consistent. He's always working his butt off no matter what. Sometimes he's so sick. I remember one time he was like coughing all night, did not get much sleep, still shows up, goes to the gym, does his ridiculously hard two hour workout. The only trade off is he'll take like a six hour nap. But he's getting everything he needs to do first and then he's, you know.

40:37Lewis Howes:Sleeping, body work, everything. Me on the other hand, I'm like, absolutely not. I am not doing this. I need to be babied. I need someone to take care of me. If I'm coughing, I'm sleeping. Yeah, exactly. That's interesting. So that's something I really admire about him. So he's very disciplined no matter what. So disciplined. So stubbornly disciplined. Wow. There are moments where I'm like, maybe don't push yourself so hard. Like you slept for two hours. Like this can't be good for you. He's like, no, I gotta go. He wants to be great. And now I'm like, do your thing. You know? Wow. Lesson learned.

41:09Lewis Howes:So that mindset. But it seems like he has a lot of fun too. I mean, at least like, what's the look? He does. Yeah. That's good. Yeah. I mean, it's fun because we have so many things in common. So it's really easy. That's cool. I feel like us both being athletes, we get each other too. There are a lot of times I'm like, yeah, yeah, you're good. Yeah. You're good. So when was the first time you won a big competition? What year was that? How old were you? I think I've won multiple big competitions for the first time. The first big competition I won was for the youth division. I was nine. Nine. Yeah.

41:41Okay. It was cool. It was my first international competition. Wow. And I was like 15 and under was the age.

41:49Lewis Howes:And you won at nine? Yeah. You'd be 15-year-olds? That's crazy. Wow. I know. So that was what? Is that 15 years ago? 15, 16 years ago? Like your first big competition that you won, right? International level? Years ago. If you could go back and speak to nine-year-old Chloe with all the wisdom and lessons you've learned, knowing everything you're going to accomplish over the last 15, 16 years, what wisdom or advice would you share with her if she was sitting right across from you? I feel like this is a very common question and I love the idea about, like, you know, I love the idea. At the same time, though, I don't think I would say anything.

42:30And I think that's also a very common response because not that it's a bad question or anything. I think it's more so just, I became who I am because of everything I experienced in the way that I did. And I don't think I would change anything about my journey to get here. I think everything that I endured, whether it be amazing or incredibly difficult, was all meant to be. And I think that's how I learned to navigate such difficult moments in my life. I think sport is one of the greatest lessons.

43:06Lewis Howes:Yes, it is. And, you know, I am so grateful that I got to grow in a sport and go through some really intense moments at such a young age because now I feel like I can get through whatever and accomplish whatever I put my mind to. Yeah. That's beautiful. What's the biggest lesson your dad taught you from all those years of supporting and coaching and encouraging and investing in time to support you in accomplishing your dreams and goals as well? My dad's taught me a lot. And I think very common in Asian families, but dads typically tend to be a bit more emotionally distant. And that's where we butt heads the most.

43:52really yeah because i would just be having a bad day whatever and he would just be so frustrating to me and like my dad's such a talker he loves talking like if you run into him on the street and say we know each other like he will talk to you for hours so much to say um but i think my dad is he taught me it's a good question he's taught me so much there's is there anything that really stands out in that way i think he just taught me how to be like to he taught me what support like the true definition of love and just support as a parent just blindly trusting that this is gonna work that we're gonna do everything we can on our end to make this happen and like he's going to love and support me unconditionally you know even though some days he's spending all this money to send me off to training and i had a terrible time training always just like believe that it's gonna work out some way shape or form and that he's going to support me until the very end until we go completely broke which is when i was which is when i was gonna be 13 and then you started making some money instead of working out yeah now we're moving now like now we can like buy tickets for planes.

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47:45Lewis Howes:Now I'm a, you know, I'm a new dad. I have 20 girls, five and a half months old. Is there any advice you have for me, you know, for being the best father I can be to young girls who have their own dreams and hopes and goals? Any advice you'd give to me or any other fathers out there who have daughters? my advice to you as someone with no kids as someone who had a great sounds like a father that was really encouraging and i'm sure it wasn't perfect all the time and it was like maybe it was hard or whatever but from what you experienced with your father any advice of what to do what not to do or encouragement for fathers out there i would say just to be as present as possible honestly i think experience is the greatest teacher and and we can't sit here and be like, well, support them.

48:36That could mean different to your daughters. That could mean something entirely different to you. But I think you have to be open to learning and growing and evolving with them and just being present and just being there.

48:54Lewis Howes:Do you feel like your dad was pretty present most of the time or was he just driven on you accomplishing and getting better mostly? I think he was. My dad also definitely has ADHD. he's all over the place he's like all over the place but he always showed up yeah and he was he is the most reliable person in my life um you know i'll call him and if i'm washing my hands on facetime and he hears the sink make a funny sound he's like i'm coming over tomorrow afternoon to fix that sounds like the water is like weird um i think he always is similar to me and i feel like I kind of took this from him but before I was obsessively thinking about how to be a better snowboarder he was doing that for me and so he'd always come up with cool new ideas my dad recognized one time randomly that so I'm goofy right um which people means what does it mean for people you're silly in life too no so goofy and snowboarding means that your right foot it's forward um but my dad felt like if my back arm was flailing while i was snowboarding it would make me really unstable if your left arm was flailing like my back arm yeah so my dad attached this like little tennis keychain there's a little ball on my pants and he made me hold that while i I was snowboarding and doing tricks pretty much.

50:28Lewis Howes:That's interesting. And so now when I snowboard, but it worked like my arms are very stable. As opposed to like out here. It's like flailing around out there. And that's what it used to do. Yeah. So it worked. My dad was an engineer. So he has this engineer mind. And he's always thinking all these things. And he also, this is before it was common. So when I started doing well in competitions is because I became really good at writing Switch. So switch means I'm riding in the opposite way. So now my left foot is forward, which is unnatural to me. So hard. Every time I switch into goofy, I'm like, I feel like I'm gonna fall every time.

51:02Lewis Howes:Yeah. So you got good at riding both sides. Yeah. So my dad would make me, you know, he'd get mad when I didn't do it because it was so important to him. And in hindsight for me as a snowboarder now to be good at riding switch. So whenever I was getting on the chairlift, it had to be switch. whenever I was writing down to the half pipe had to be switch everything had to be switch um I had to like do a whole day in the half pipe just switch hitting all the going off all the jumps switch doing everything I could switch because he really wanted me to get good at writing switch and he recognized before I did that switch writing is going to be really really helpful huge oh it's gonna be huge right and now it's like you have to like reverse almost to be good yeah exactly it gets you more points right yes yes so back then though no one was really doing that except for the sochi gold medalist caitlin farrington she's really good at spinning backside and was really good at writing switch and you were what 13 then is that right so he was like you need to start doing this in order he really saw the future he saw me do it way before then though wow but he saw the future like okay when you're 16 when you're 20 when you're 24 if you're not doing this you're not gonna win yeah or this will give you a greater chance Yeah.

52:19Lewis Howes:That's some great vision from your brother. Yeah. So we definitely bow heads a lot because to me, I'm like, this is so dumb. Like I should just be working on bigger tricks in my natural way. But he was like, no. Wow. Yeah. So you got to listen to your dad sometimes, right? Even if you didn't want to. I do. Yeah. I mean, now we have a much better relationship. I think after the first Olympics, he was kind of able to let me go. He definitely was a tiger parent. Really? A thousand percent. again I didn't want to snowboard like that wasn't my sport so I kind of just did it and you know you did it because he wanted you to do it pretty much but at least he was showing up with you all those times right he was like he had to be on the slopes with you exactly so you're spending some I guess quality time together too you're spending a lot of yeah but he was on top of you yeah my dad is was a very intense person so it was hard it's hard I definitely I have some trauma but but we're in such a good place now that i think as i reflect um you know whether it be in therapy or on my own i am really grateful for him yeah i think you know at the end of the day regardless of how much you love somebody you can still hurt them and we definitely hurt each other yeah so yeah i think very forgiving like i understand where he's coming from like could he have been a little better absolutely but i can't hold that against yeah but he also helped to become the greatest of all time.

53:45So that's, you know,

53:47Lewis Howes:and you didn't ruin the relationship, which is good. I'm curious, you've mentioned therapy. You've mentioned, you've talked to a psychologist before. I've worked with sports psychologists. I've worked with different therapists over the years for my own personal healing journey. What is the biggest lessons you've learned through therapy and starting to create awareness around having ADHD and your own healing experience? I think I started really actually going to therapy. I think it's been almost two years now. And it wasn't sport related. But I tried to go to see sports psychologists and whatnot to get better in my sport.

54:29But I was getting kind of frustrated because I just felt like you guys don't know what I'm talking about. So I don't really want to sit here and explain everything to you. Because I feel like if I have to explain it to you, you don't understand. And I'm paying you to like. trust them yeah right i don't trust you at all and so i was like okay maybe i need therapy the reason for therapy wasn't sport related it was mainly because i felt that i wasn't i just felt

54:54Lewis Howes:like i wasn't being a good person in life in life like friends family press or like friends family relationships all of it i just felt like i was not showing up in the way that i should and i think that made me very concerned because my intentions are always good like I always want to be a good person but sometimes it was so hard to be that and did someone confront you and say hey you're not they're not showing up for me or you're kind of like got a bad attitude every time you're around me or is it more an internal I'm really you know I saw someone was hurt or whatever like how did you come to this I think it was a combination because I think that everyone in my life is so kind and so supportive and so giving and genuine.

55:42And I think that, you know, they also were very understanding that I'm experiencing a lot. You know, they see how busy my life is. They see how much pressure, you know, people are putting onto me. They're seeing all of it.

55:57Lewis Howes:And you're so young at the time. You're 20, 21, whatever it is. Yeah. Very unstable. Like very unstable person. What are you trying to figure out your life? Exactly. I didn't start figuring things out until my early 30s. It was like, you really don't know who you are. You're a 21-year-old. And you have all this pressure and everyone's asking you questions. So really grateful for everyone being so understanding. But I think for me, I would also catch it. You know, catch it and be like, damn, I don't think that was nice. Damn, like I don't think I should have handled things that way, but it was so hard for me to recognize that in the moment.

56:35like stop myself from getting there so i was like okay i'm gonna try to go to therapy and i love my therapist she's great um awesome love catching up with her and we made a lot of progress like like a lot of progress with my mentality like the way that i expressed myself it was a lot of hard

56:56Lewis Howes:work i was seeing her three times a week i've been there i've done that before three times a week like five hours on a weekend or yeah I couldn't yeah you gotta go all emergencies oh yeah yeah yeah like hey like I know it's 11 but like oof girl I need you yeah you know so shout out to her for showing up for me always but the ADHD I just felt like you know I have been working on myself for two years not expecting a full 180 in two years but it still feels like a lot of time and like a lot of sessions and she's great and I feel like I'm being very receptive and I'm doing my best and I can recognize the changes that I've made through our sessions however there's this one little thing that wouldn't quite go away and it was I I just like was a very reactive person like if you were triggered by something you would react boom explode explode like how would this be you'd scream you'd say something you didn't like you would I walk away like I would feel it like Like my, I would get so hot, like so warm.

58:02So like, I don't know, like maybe see red kind of vibes, but not really. Like I would never hurt anyone. Sure. But just like, just feel my heart starts racing. Like my mind is going a million miles an hour. I'm thinking about all these things. And I hated that because I always wanted to be calm, understanding, logical, assess the situation before having any type of reaction. But I couldn't even do that. I was like, instant boom. I don't like that. That triggered me.

58:39Lewis Howes:You say whatever you said. Yeah. Or you do something or you walk away or whatever. Yeah. Yeah. And I'm not breaking stuff. Yeah, yeah, of course. I'm very upset. And I didn't like that. And so I just felt like it was more than like, I didn't feel like, I felt like it was too big of an issue for me to wait another two, three years for it to get better. If that makes sense. Because it wasn't getting better by itself. It wasn't getting, yeah. Like, you know, I think if I wasn't good at communicating or like expressing my emotions, you know, outside of a really like triggering environment that, okay, we can take the two, two to five years to work on that.

59:18But like me feeling enraged in that way is not something I want to work towards for another three years.

59:25Lewis Howes:Wow. So. Like I need this to happen now. I need to resolve this. Because I didn't like how I felt after. It made me really sad because it's regret. But I just felt like there was nothing I could do to get out of that in those moments. So, self-psychiatrist. And mind you, these wouldn't happen often. Sure. That's another thing. Like it wasn't like every day or like freaking out every day. Of course. but like i like structure i like consistency i like all of that and so when all of those things would fall through like i would start feeling it yeah so yeah i saw a psychiatrist and he was like wow so you have like severe adhd it's severe and you also um have depression and anxiety but he was like your adhd is so severe let's regulate that first because the depression and the anxiety can also be caused by the adhd okay so yeah i feel good but you feel like a lot more like calm and relaxed and less reactive more calm relaxed like i feel like i had multiple situations come up in the past week where that would have been kind of not triggering but like a little stressful to me and anxiety inducing but i was like okay no worries like let's just pivot I was like, wow.

1:00:44Lewis Howes:Look at you, it started to shift. I know. And I also had a session with my therapist yesterday and I was like, I still want to work with you, but I feel like now during our sessions, I can actually start just healing my trauma and like talking about those things because I'm not so caught up emotionally about what happened two days ago. Now I can start talking about like things that I should. Interesting. So a lot of your sessions were around like, this just happened. I need to figure out what to do now. Because my mind just is freaking out over something all the time. I was so insane. I would talk to myself in the car because my mind is so crazy that I'm having conversations with myself in the car because my mind will not shut up.

1:01:24Sleeping was terrible, nonstop. So it was like snowboarding was the most chill time for me because I could just focus on snowboarding.

1:01:31Lewis Howes:You're in the zone. But the minute I got out of it, oh my gosh. Wow. And so now what I'm hearing you say is when you meet with your therapist, you can actually to go back to the root of what's causing the stress or where the trigger lies or wherever the wound is emotionally or psychologically, right? Yeah. Because I was going to my therapist already triggered. You're like, I just had this happen today. Yeah. I don't know how to deal with this. Yeah. Wow. So I'm really excited about that. So you haven't unpacked what that kind of deeper root cause is yet. No. It's just now starting. Yeah. Well, I'm excited for you.

1:02:02Thank you.

1:02:03Lewis Howes:Because this is where, I mean, it sounds like you've done a lot of work to get here in the last couple of years and I encourage you to keep diving deep because it can be terrifying and scary. But I used to have chest pain for years, like a sharp chest pain. And I used to feel like someone was choking me. Oh my gosh. Just because of the psychological and emotional wounds that I was holding onto from the past. and I remember after going deeper and deeper into therapy, I got to a place where I could finally like heal my heart. As weird as this sounds, like the pain in a moment, it like all made sense in my nervous system where the pain went away and I felt free for the first time.

1:02:50Lewis Howes:Wow. That's amazing. The first time, this is about four or five years ago. And how long did that process take? I mean, I've been doing different therapy. I mean, I started when I was 43 now. So I started when I was 30, kind of going to workshops and doing therapy. I did that for maybe a year, two years. And it really helped me heal a lot. I mean, I went through a lot of stuff as well. And then I maybe didn't go back for many years because I felt like a lot better. But then new things came up from a different relationship that triggered me. And I was like, oh, there's still more inside of me that's holding me back.

1:03:26Lewis Howes:and why do I have this pain and why is this going on? So I went back again and I felt like, and it doesn't mean every day is perfect. I still get frustrated, but I don't hold on to the pain. Yeah. I still can get triggered and reactive, but I don't explode like I did 10, 15 years ago. Right. So I react in different ways. I catch myself much faster and I typically respond a lot better. Yeah. I'm not like, yeah, I shouldn't have done that anymore. Whereas in the past I was like, I really need to apologize about what I said or how I reacted. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I'm just like, okay, I just didn't feel good, but I learned to respond with more peace.

1:04:05Lewis Howes:Or I learned to like pause and not say anything until I was ready. Or I didn't send that email from her anger. I slept on it and then I edited it. And then I said that, you know, it's like, it's learning. Yeah. I guess the psychological and emotional tools. Damn, you're sending off heated emails? I mean, text emails. I mean, all sorts of stuff probably. I mean, I can't remember how this stuff, you know, but it's like, I got into fist fights, you know, playing basketball games in West Hollywood, probably right near, right near where you train. Yeah. I was in the basketball court 13 years ago and I got a fist fight for just being triggered by a guy.

1:04:39Oh my gosh.

1:04:40Lewis Howes:Yeah. It was like explosive. And so I've had to learn how to heal, but it was all coming from a root cause of like a wounds. Yeah, totally. And you know, you had different wounds. I had wounds. Everyone's got wounds, but it's learning how to mend those wounds. have given me a lot of peace. Absolutely. And then it's also refreshing and staying in that process of healing as it's always, it's an ongoing journey. Yeah. You know, it's just like I could easily fall back into it if I'm not practicing. And so that's why I'm really excited to hear this about you because I think a lot of people might see you and say, you know, Chloe's got it all figured out.

1:05:15Lewis Howes:She's a world champion. She's the greatest of all time. She's got to put together. She's got the great relationship. You know, she's fashion week. She's doing all the cool things. but to hear you speak about this wow it's not a facade it's it's a part of what you've created but what i'm hearing you say this is the stuff i'm most excited about yeah because i think so many people hearing this it gives them permission to say oh okay if i've got some triggers it's okay for me to go and and look into it and it's not something i could be have to be ashamed of it's something I can be excited about figuring out how to respond differently.

1:05:53Lewis Howes:And so I'm really excited that you're sharing this. Thank you. And thank you for sharing. Wow, look at us. You deserve one of these. I just think it's, you know, as an athlete, I grew up playing sports and I was, you know, I played arena football, so I was never good as your boyfriend, but I played arena football and I was a decathlete and I'm currently, you know, I was on the USA. Wait, that's intense. Yeah. I mean, I've had my own sports journey. And I love your advice as well. I don't know if you see this over here. This is a handball. I'm currently, I've been on the USA national team for team handball for almost a decade.

1:06:25Lewis Howes:So I'm still pursuing my Olympic dream in LA 2028. And I haven't been on the USA team in about five years, but I played for almost a decade with the team. So I'm trying to get back into the USA national team to go to the Olympics here in LA in two and a half years. and it's my own journey because most of the athletes are 23 years old. I'm 43. So I'm 20 years older than most of the athletes. So I've got my own challenges that I'm facing right now. And at this age, it's not about training 10 hours a day and over going the extra mile. It's actually about doing the bare minimum at the highest level as possible so I can recover more.

1:07:08Lewis Howes:right and so i'm curious and i really believe the emotional healing has given me the longevity as an athlete as well so i'm curious your advice for me as an athlete trying to pursue the olympic dream where there's no guarantee for me and this will be my last chance la 2028 what advice do you have for me as I've been pursuing this for 16 years, trying to being on and off the USA national team, and I'm still pursuing it at this season of life, any advice you have for me with all the experience, wisdom, and success you have as an Olympian? Oh my gosh, I feel like I can't give you advice on this because what you're doing is so incredible.

1:07:53Thank you.

1:07:54Lewis Howes:There's no guarantees I'm going to make the team. Yeah, but I don't think that matters. I think what matters right now is that when you are working so hard to accomplish this dream of yours i think that's incredible in itself i think the only thing i would say maybe is to not compare yourself to anybody you know you truly don't know what's going on it maybe isn't all glitz and glamour like as we're learning about ourselves just do what you do best you know there's only one you And just because you're a little bit older than everyone else doesn't mean that you won't be able to accomplish it. I think at the end of the day, hard work beats talent.

1:08:35And it sounds like you're working pretty damn hard.

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1:10:49Control what you can control. You know, like you, the things you can control, you can work hard, you can be disciplined, you can, you know, be mindful about your recovery, invest in yourself. Though it may seem selfish in the beginning, it's not. I think investing in yourself is the greatest gift that you could give yourself. I think set little goals. And I think it makes the journey much more exciting than dreadful.

1:11:24Lewis Howes:Yeah. I think it's so easy to look two, five, ten years into the future and being like, oh, my gosh, that's so crazy. Like, I don't know if I'll be able to do that. I'm not maybe, you know, I'm not good enough yet. I don't know if I'll be healthy. I don't know what my life is going to look like, that I'm scared. My therapist tells me that humans are naturally scared of the unknown. So that anxiety, the fear, the doubt is so natural and normal. But at the end of the day, if you set small goals for yourself, control what you can control, I feel like you're going to look up one day and be exactly where you want it to be.

1:12:06Yeah.

1:12:06Lewis Howes:It's so interesting now we're talking and you're saying this to me, that you're actually a part of my Olympic journey dream because two years ago, I hadn't played in four years because I got injured. I hurt my Achilles. So I was playing up until about 2020. And then COVID happened. I was going through a breakup. I hurt my Achilles. And I was like, maybe I'm done. Maybe this Olympic dream is over. And then a couple years go by and I start recovering. And I actually call Vinny. And I say, Vinny. This dream is still alive, this Olympic dream. I go, can you help me? Give me a game plan and work with me.

1:12:42Lewis Howes:And he goes, connect with Roy. Come in here. Come into mild detox. I'll work on you. Connect with Roy. And so I started training with Roy. And probably, I don't know, six months after that, I meet you. And I see you in there. And he's like, yeah, Chloe's in here. And she's working on her stuff. And so you're actually a part of my Olympic journey. It's inspiring me when we were in the gym together. And it's kind of cool. Two years later now, we're talking about this. and there's two more years to go for this journey for me. I'm so excited for you. Yeah, it's cool. I'm curious about, and you mentioned like this doubt again and I've got a few more questions for you, but you mentioned about this doubt.

1:13:18How do people, a lot of people tie their self-worth

1:13:22Lewis Howes:with their performance and the results. How have you learned to not tie your inner self-worth with the results of Olympic gold or success? I think you just have to be present. I think we accomplish so many great things on a day-to-day basis, whether it be getting up in the morning, taking care of ourselves, spending time with our loved ones, whatever that may be. I think that it's so, again, easy to look at other people's lives and compare yourselves and maybe wish that that were yours. But I always think that you're exactly where you're supposed to be. And like, I think awards and all of that are great.

1:14:12It's instant gratification. You're standing at the top of the podium. You're walking away with this big trophy. but as somebody who's experienced it multiple times I would say that at the end of the day

1:14:26Lewis Howes:it never after the first the first gold medal it doesn't hit the same really yeah and I think I wish that I had celebrated maybe like my smaller wins and maybe if I had done that all my ones would have met a bit more did you ever celebrate the wins or did you just kind of like on to the next on to the next it was always on to the next really yes like after my first gold i started prepping for my next competition and it was a little hectic because i had to do a bunch of press after the olympics and like you know even after my first x games medal when i was 13 i was like the youngest to get a medal it was just straight to the next i went to you know switzerland in my next event like i never took a moment to celebrate my wins do you even have like dinner afterwards and say okay let's celebrate this and have a moment or is it more of like yeah but i feel like i also just was i am more of an introvert i just want to lay in bed i'm tired i'm overstimulated i just want to lay down but i also think that my mindset was a bit messed up because I always felt like every time I was on the podium, I was like, well, yeah, sorry, I should be.

1:15:50I'm meant to be here. I'm meant to be here. I have to be here. That was really hard for me. I experienced that for over 10 years. I was like, yeah, well, I felt like if I didn't win, that was a problem. Then I did bad if I didn't win. and that was something I had to talk my way out of. Like mental talk. Yeah, because it became so toxic and I didn't like the way it made me feel.

1:16:17Lewis Howes:How'd you learn to talk? What did you say to talk yourself out of that?

1:16:23Lewis Howes:Or what did you think? I think that,

1:16:32I don't know if I really had to. I think it was more of a shift in perspective where I recognize that I love all the girls I compete with. And I'm so happy for them. And genuinely, I am. And I'm not saying I would be bummed if I didn't win. I've gotten like, yes, I've won a lot, but I've also not won a lot. And at the end of the day, I'm so happy for all the girls. and I think it had to happen to me once where I had a winning streak and then one of my good friends took the gold and I genuinely was so happy for her because in that moment I was like, dude, we trained together.

1:17:12Lewis Howes:This is her dream also. Yes, you are working your butt off just like I am where I've seen her get injured, I've seen her come back stronger. I've seen her, her name's Quaralt. She's Spanish. I love her to death. but she kind of broke this winning streak I had and I was like I am so happy for you and I think once I experienced that it's like okay yeah this is fine this is great because I do love them I just think I needed to experience it to form an opinion on it because you hadn't lost in like years probably yeah you're like I'm eight years in I haven't lost yeah interesting yeah you took I mean and you probably got second or third or something I'm assuming so it wasn't like oh you know but what did losing teaching you about your life well one i think i don't think you could ever call it losing right you know and that's something you have to learn you know teach yourself too as you navigate this because there's no such thing as losing i think every it's such an easy thing to say and an easy way to describe something that is complex so it's almost unfair so i think you know not winning a goal doesn't mean that you failed it means that you showed up you still showed up and you still got there and you still went out there and gave it your all and I think that alone is winning I think that's the whole point of sport is showing up even in moments of doubt even in moments of like you know just hardship and struggling and all of that there are so many moments where I'm like I don't know if I could make it to tomorrow I don't know if I can show up tomorrow i don't know if i have it in me i had such a hard day today i suck like i'm scared i'm not gonna do well in my competition tomorrow and if you remove yourself from it it doesn't matter like it doesn't matter i'm so grateful for all the experiences i've had because again there are so many lessons i've learned through snowboarding that i would have learned so much later down the line in life that i'm at an advantage in life yeah like now i'm in this place where I'm turning 26 this year and I feel like I have six years of wisdom.

1:19:24Lewis Howes:Wow. Yeah. That's beautiful. And I'm sure you've experienced that too through sport, right? I mean, sports taught me everything. Everything. I mean, I didn't do well in school. I was like bottom of my class and I couldn't pay attention. You know, so sports was my outlet. It's where I learned all my lessons. Yeah. And it's taught me so much. I wouldn't be where I am without sports. Exactly. But, you know, what I'm hearing you say, there is no losing. It's either you win or you learn. Yeah. It's kind of what I'm hearing you say. It's like you're learning about how you showed up. I think that's really cool.

1:19:52Lewis Howes:And I'm really grateful for you showing up, Chloe. I've got two final questions. That's okay. Before I ask you the final questions, is there any question you wish people asked you more?

1:20:06Is this one of the final questions?

1:20:08Lewis Howes:No, it's not. It's not. I don't think so. I think, you know, I really appreciate people's curiosity towards me. um i really do appreciate it i think wanting to be known is to be loved um so you know if you see me obviously unless you're asking me a genuinely stupid question that you know is stupid like i and i feel like i could sense that um or if you want to joke with me no worries like i'll laugh along whatever but i you know if people see me out and about i want them to ask away i feel like i I love sharing whatever I can. I would love if people could learn a little something from me. It doesn't have to be much, whatever.

1:20:49Whether it be the type of blush I use to my mindset going into the competition. Whatever you need from me, I bought you.

1:20:55Lewis Howes:Well, in some other interview, they can ask you about the blush you use. I'm going to go about the mindset. You got other platforms for that. For me, I'm fascinated by mindset. And for me, it's like you are the best in the world at what you do. And this is the school of greatness, not the school of average. so it's about understanding the way you think the way you feel how you respond and i'm just i'm grateful that you're opening up about the things you're learning at this season of life with all the success you have knowing there's deeper levels of peace and prosperity and abundance in you so i'm i'm really excited about that i think it's going to help a lot of people so thank you for sharing that this is a question the final two questions uh before i ask them i I want people to follow you on social media.

1:21:39Lewis Howes:Chloe Kim on Instagram and all the different places. You're on a media run right now. You're still in the Olympic season. So again, I want people to watch all your stuff and check you out on social media and see what you're up to. Is there anywhere else we should send people to to follow you or to be a part of your platforms? You know what's so funny is I am so bad on social media. I got social media a lot later than my friends did just your parents won't let you there was I just had no interest you're like I just want to snowboard yeah and I was also the kid that you know growing up I have two sisters um they're my half sisters and I only say that because there's a quite quite a big age gap 10 and 15 years so while they're watching tv in the house like I was digging up isopods in the front yard like trying to find bugs and like you know finding little spiders and stuff i just liked being outside that's great so i actually got social media out of necessity because it was when i was 13 and i just qualified for the olympics couldn't go and everyone was like you need to get instagram that's where things are going yeah um but i'm trying but also like don't be surprised if in five years my instagram's completely gone and i'm on a ranch somewhere living my best life.

1:22:55That's my dream. That's good. Yeah.

1:22:57Lewis Howes:Okay, cool. This question is something I ask everyone at the end. It's called the three truths. So it's a hypothetical question. Imagine you get to live as long as you want to live on this earth and you're as old as you want to be. And you get to create and experience and accomplish all of your wildest dreams from this moment until that day. And maybe that's you living on a ranch for the rest of your life. I don't know. But hypothetically, it's the end of your life. And for whatever reason, everything you've shared, this conversation, all the videos you've ever made are gone, this hypothetical world.

1:23:30Lewis Howes:But on the last day, you get to leave behind three lessons, three truths that you feel are true to you from your experiences that you would share with people. And this is all we would have of your lessons and your content. What would those three truths or three lessons be for you? I feel like on my PR ones, I were like, be kind, be grateful. But what's really inside of you though? Well, I think three might take me a while, but the first one that jumped at me was keep learning. And I only say this because my dad is 70. He's currently in Japan going to culinary school. That's cool. And my dad is also learning Japanese.

1:24:19and he is walking to his classes every day it's a two-mile walk and he just has always had such a curious mind and just this need for knowledge and i think he's really inspired me to just no matter how old you are you can always try something learn something experience something new for the first time it's cool so chills right he's awesome um i love i'll show you a picture of him in his

1:24:47Lewis Howes:school uniform he looks so cute that's cool yeah please do um keep learning it would be your first truth yes my second truth take care of yourself kind of a broader lesson but whatever that means to you for me taking care of myself is putting myself first

1:25:15i will always do my best to achieve my dreams my hopes my ambitions um and taking care of myself also means to show up for others because that means a lot to me yeah you know i love being the supportive character in one's life so that's a big part of it third have fun honestly have fun just have fun live your best life i know this is so cliche but like i mean i guess when i was a teenager everyone was like yellow yellow ones but like you do only live one enjoy it that's cool and i think these days whenever i'm going through a difficult time i try to think about things that i'm grateful for things that make me happy i am surrounded by the most incredible people i feel like i have such a great support system um you know if i'm having a bad day i'll call miles and like we'll play games together and that cheers me up or like call my best friends always cheer me up sharing funny stories um i think the goal is always to start my day with a smile and end it with one that's beautiful that's what i strive for i don't know if those are good lessons i'm like so powerful

1:26:34Lewis Howes:yeah and maybe at the end of your life you'll have different ones but i think that's those are three great ones i know should i meet back here in like 30 years yeah sooner than that yeah sooner than that you'll be back here yeah update exactly we'll do an update in a few years um before i ask the final question chloe i want to acknowledge you because for me i'm always trying to find people to bring on here who can share unique experiences of life and you have such a unique experience and I just think you have a fascinating mindset. The way you analyze how you live your life, I know you're laughing, but for me, it's like most people never have access to this type of information.

1:27:09Lewis Howes:And I haven't seen you share this much on how you think about pressure, performance, overcoming challenges, therapy, healing, psychology, all in one place. Maybe there's little different things around, but so for me, this is like a masterclass of understanding your mindset. of how to live the best life possible for yourself. For me, it does. Okay. Yeah, for me, it does. No, for me, it does. But it's like, I've been asking these questions for people for 13 years, I guess, every week. So I think it's fascinating because you, and from this conversation, I've learned that for most of your life, you were driven to accomplish and achieve at the highest level.

1:27:52Lewis Howes:And in some ways it came easily for you because you were talented, but it became easy because you were obsessed with like going all in and visualizing and rehearsing in your mind and seeing an idea and saying all night, how can I make this happen tomorrow? And then doing it and acting, acting on that for 20 years, essentially almost, you know? So for me, that level of commitment to accomplishing a dream is really inspiring. But then also on the other side saying, oh, okay. I also recognize there are certain parts of me that I don't like right now, or maybe I didn't like a couple of years ago. And so how can I become better at those things as well?

1:28:32Lewis Howes:How can I use what I learned in sports for myself? I think that's beautiful. How can I be a better human, a better friend, a better partner, all these different things, a better daughter, you know, it's like, and how can you show up for yourself first at this season? So I think it's really beautiful. I think it's inspiring. And I hope a lot of people get value from your lessons. Thank you. And I just think, again, this is a masterclass that you've shared here on the School of Grade. And so I'm grateful. And I acknowledge you for opening up and for being real and authentic and showing us a little bit more behind the way you think.

1:29:06Lewis Howes:Because I think a lot of people, it will help them understand their own life by understanding yours. I hope so. Yeah. And hopefully we get you back on in a few years and you can give us more lessons about healing and therapy and all the things you're learning. Yeah. I love yapping. Perfect. Just like your dad, right? Just like your dad. Exactly. But I'm like introverted. I know. But I like yapping. You like it, yeah. I like a shy yapper. I like it. I like a shy yapper. Hashtag shy yapping. Final question, Chloe. What is your definition of greatness? My definition of greatness? Me, myself, and I.

1:29:43So funny. Me, myself, and I. I think, yeah, I'm great. But I deserve it, you know? And I think we all do. I think there's no greater feeling than accomplishing everything you've wanted and more. But then it's funny because I want more than that too. There's so many other things I want to be great at. So I feel like definition of greatness to me today is going to shift. and I'm going to be achieving like the best version of myself, you know, in like whatever journey I decide to go on next. But I'm pretty good, right? I'm going to sit in my greatness for a couple, maybe a little bit more and then I'll think about the next definition.

1:30:32Lewis Howes:I love it. But yeah, everyone's great. You're great. Yeah. Awesome. Chloe, thank you so much for being here. Appreciate you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. I hope you enjoyed today's episode and it inspired you on your journey towards greatness. Make sure to check out the show notes in the description for a full rundown of today's episode with all the important links. And if you want weekly exclusive bonus episodes with me personally, as well as ad-free listening, then make sure to subscribe to our Greatness Plus channel exclusively on Apple Podcasts. Share this with a friend on social media and leave us a review on Apple Podcasts as well.

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