How To Turn Self-Doubt Into Your Superpower - The Mindset of Champions

31:08She seemed horribly sad and I never saw it. And so I said, wait, let me go check on her. So those are things like I will never see. And it's not because I don't want to. It just goes over my head. So those kinds of things I've seen, I can't improve on. And that's why I tell people I care about. It's like, I have this, you know, this thing that it doesn't work as well as others. So just tell me everything. Sure. I'm curious about your, you know, your mindset, you know, again, with someone like yourself who is accomplished so much at the highest level in the world of what you do. Can you break down a little bit on how you think before entering a big moment in your life, in your, in your sport or in the business you're building?

31:50like is there a process that you think about when you're going to enter the arena of whatever you're working on um is there a mantra a process do you visualize something do you like do you release something can you just walk through a little bit about that process i think the process changes depending on the moment you are in life right i think you have these moments as an athlete or in business or in life where you're on top of the world you can do nothing wrong everything's golden then you like okay it's great you're in a world you're on you're in a flow right and then you have other moments where it's not great and so you have to be more uh cognizant of of that process be super self-aware and really extract out what's what what you're feeling and figure out what part's real and what isn't because we can get the feels right and you have to distract like what's what is just a feeling and what is the what is the issue and I do that by journaling really start writing what I'm feeling and then once I start writing down all the things I'm feeling that I'm able to recognize this is actually the one thing that's real is issue the rest is just a bunch of other stuff that's just floating in my head and I can get rid of the fluff and then focus on the real thing that's bothering me I think also a lot of being about being your best is just preparation.

33:10You cannot be great without the preparation and you can't feel good about what you're doing unless you've done the work. So the greats are doing the work. They're putting in the work day in, day out. If you're in finance, you're up all night reading, whatever that is that it takes to do that. Being on top of your industry, thinking, literally just sitting and thinking and meditating about what you like to accomplish. And it's the same in sport too. You sit and you meditate about what you'd like to accomplish. So being great is intentional. And then when you're in a bad place, also getting out of it is also intentional too.

33:47But it's just realizing where you are and applying what you need to succeed no matter where you are. And I think when you're in a bad place, you just have to realize that a lot of it is also mental too. You can just, what I try to tell myself is that this moment I'm anticipating what might happen that could be bad. But anticipation is just that it's not even real. Right. What if something great happened? What if something amazing could happen? What if I could make that happen? And it's like changing your thought around things is so powerful. And it's not easy and you have to constantly work on it.

34:29But if you put in the work, your mind will change. Just like anything else, if you go to the gym and do those biceps for six weeks, you're going to see some improvement. So if you flex your mind in a different way, instead of saying I can't for six weeks, if you say I can for six weeks, your mind goes on a completely different pathway. And it's so powerful and so true. And it's not easy. And you have to continually do it. Once you do it just once, it doesn't just stick. You just have to keep training your mind. And I think sometimes people forget that part, that training your mind is so important.

35:01If you want to be strong mentally, train to be strong mentally. Ooh, I love that. How do you train to stay strong mentally, personally? Yeah, for sure. First is preparation, right? Uh-huh. Doing the preparation. That's ground zero. Doing the work. Pardon the reps. Yeah, yeah. Putting in the work. Whatever that may be, you have to put in the work. Uh-huh. So if you don't do that, you're never going to be great. You're never going to be mentally strong. or whatever it is you'd like to achieve. Once you've put in the work, then you realize what you're good at, what you're not. I mean, me personally, I think there's probably a lot of people who are smarter, who are going to get that 1600 on the SAT.

35:43I'm probably not going to get the 1600. But my strength is that, you know, I'm extremely logical and, you know, I notice patterns. I'm very quick in those sorts of things. So then I have to set myself up in a way that plays in my strengths. Not everyone's going to have the same strength. Not everyone's going to be good at everything. But once you've done your work and you see your strengths, then you've got to figure out a way to play to that. And then always, of course, work on your weaknesses over time. And those at some point can come up too until you're like this complete player, you know, ready player one.

36:18So it's just, yeah, it's like, let's play this game to win. If we're going to play, let's win. Or else there's no need to play. Absolutely. I think a lot of people want to win at whatever game they're playing in life or their career or their business or their sport. They want to be more successful. They want to win. And it seems like more than ever, society, at least in America, American society, it seems like everyone, or lots of people want to become more famous, wealthy, and successful. Is that it? And the more people I interview and ask about this who have fame, wealth and success, they talk about the pressures that come with that.

36:58Can you share a little bit about how you were, did you feel like you were mentally and emotionally prepared when you became a world icon in your sport and you started to gain popularity, fame, success, money? did you feel you were mentally and emotionally prepared or was that a challenge or was it was it a lot of pressure at first I think I was aware of the pressure I started really young my first pro match was 14 so a lot of it though the youth and the inexperience is in some way a protection you just don't really really get it you don't know yeah but also it can go the other way too and I think there were some matches where I I felt pressure to perform up to maybe what I was supposed to be like this hype um but at the end of the day I failed sometimes and then the failure was a lesson and I learned from it and so that was like you know that even though I failed it was still a step up yeah it wasn't a step down because I learned something and I got more determined um so i think that a lot of what people want today is based on what they think other people have in social media i think that's a lot of pressure for young people to to be successful like immediately no one's successful that young i was successful young but i started playing tennis at four and i put in a decade wow before i even like went pro so yes it was young but there There was millions of hours of work that happened before that happened.

38:40Nothing happens that fast. And really, the process is the most joy I find, right? When you can't figure something out or you do figure it, once you figure it out and you've put in the work and you find the right process and you're able to repeat that process over and over and over again, the sense of pride and accomplishment that you get, not from the success, but the work you put in to get there, that's where the happiness comes from. Wow. And I think there might be a generation now that doesn't understand that, that there's so much pride in your work. Like what you do, work is a part of your happiness.

39:21You don't want to circumvent that. That's a part of who you are, that accomplishment. Accomplishing things gives you confidence and happiness. And so if you are empty or because you haven't, you skipped that process, then it's something to look at. Wow. Did you ever feel like you got punished after a loss? No, nothing was worse than the punishment that I felt like internally, you know, that my expectation of myself. And I think that's a good thing and a bad thing. You got to temper it, right? sometimes your expectations can be so you can be so hard on yourself that you never pat yourself on the back enough but some people aren't hard enough on themselves and so then they never make it you got to find the middle the middle ground of like being hard but also like recognizing the things you accomplish too yeah and not holding on to it for like days or weeks of you know a loss yeah that's easier said than done like we hold on to our losses whether we realize it or not.

40:18And you just have to think about this a new day, like it's a new possibility. And that's not easy. Absolutely. The younger generation might have today or the confusion around how to build confidence. Can you share, and I think this speaks into building a confident identity. Can you share your passion for really starting to shift the conversation from appearance to capability and in your own personal journey, given the insights on this issue? It's so important. Does this matter what you look like? It matters what's inside of you that you can get out to live the life that you want to live and figuring out what that life is and that having other people's approval or none of those things really matter for, you know, it doesn't help you get out of bed.

41:09You know, the research has shown that about 45 % of girls globally quit sports by the age of 14 and that's due to low body confidence and when I think about what if that happened to me I turned pro at 14 what if I had stopped sports at age 14 because I didn't feel good about myself I mean this is literally my life I got to play sports and change my life and through that and that was never my plan I just wanted to win Wimbledon change other people's lives. Just by doing something positive for yourself, you never know what impact you're going to have on not only yourself, but the world. I had no idea that was going to happen.

41:49I just wanted to lift the trophy. Not everyone goes pro. Not everyone becomes an athlete, but what you learn from sports is unparalleled. You cannot teach in a classroom or in a book what you earn from sports.

42:09How did you learn to build confidence during a time of maybe not feeling that confident growing up? Gosh, I think that's, you know, I think that's the thing is that you don't get confidence by thinking about having confidence. You know, you get confidence by action. And I never had confidence before I started wrestling. And I think that's why I was always trying to fit in with the kids that were drinking and that would make me cool. And then I'd be smoking and it would take the edge off from the self-consciousness and everything that was going on at home at the time. And then when I was 15 and I just failed PE, I was getting ready for my junior cert, which is I'm not sure what the equivalent is over here.

43:01but when you're 15 you're doing these exams in school that at the time they make it seem like if you fail these your life is over. Really? But yeah all the pressure that they put on you in school. This will determine the rest of your life. Yes exactly. Where you go to school and college and everything else. And that's what I felt like. And at the time even though I was a little degenerate and I wasn't doing good in school and I was drinking and I was smoking and I was doing everything that I shouldn't be doing. Like I still had ambition. I still wanted to do something good in my life. I still wanted to be a lawyer or something productive in society.

43:42And I realized on one random Monday when I wanted a beer that - At 15? At 15 that I needed to turn my life around. I needed to do something different that I couldn't keep going down this pathway of failing PE and just not applying myself to anything. And so I started looking up like different kickboxing things because gyms weren't a thing in Ireland back then. There was like two or something, you know, there was this big gym, but it was too preppy. It was too preppy. And I was an alternative kid, you know, the ones with the black lipstick and the dog collars and all that kind of stuff. And so, you know, going to a gym just seemed too mainstream for me, to Jane Fonda.

44:30And so then one day I go into the computer room because in 2002 everybody had a computer room and my brother's looking up this website and it was called Hammerlock and it was this wrestling school over in the UK. And I was like, what are you doing there? And he was like, well, I was thinking about training as a wrestler. Instantly I had this jealousy, this feeling of I need to do that. and I was like are you going to go over there and he was like yeah yeah yeah and I was like there's no way there's no way my mum is going to let me go over to UK to train 15 I'm also a degenerate like she's aware she's aware that I'm going off the rails and then and then the promoter there wrote back to him to let him know that there was two Irish lads that were going to be opening the school like an hour away from us on the train and so that's how I found out about it and he told me that and I was like oh I want to go too he was like no you're not going you have to be 16 and I was like I'll lie and he was like no I don't want to have to look after my little sister I was like you won't have to lying and uh and and I went down there and uh and I started and that was it all of a sudden for the first time in my life I wanted to apply myself to something I wanted to get better at something.

45:57I saw progress in each training session. And that built confidence. Because not only was I applying myself and getting better at something and seeing results. But I also now had this community. And I think there was also this feeling of like I'm different. Which I always felt a little different. I wasn't a cool kid, even though I tried to be. But now I had this confidence in my difference. And I was the only girl there too. I was the only girl in a group of lads. And I was hanging with them. Or maybe not, but I was there. I felt like I was. And so that gave me confidence that I could do this and I could set myself apart and there was something more to me.

46:52and then I just continued on there. I never thought, or not that I never thought, maybe I had like this suppressed dream but I still thought I was going to be a lawyer and do something realistic. Really? Until I was like 17 and it was the first time I had played the heel role, the bad guy role and I was teaming with my brother and when you're a heel, when you're the bad, you can do no wrong because you can just have fun. You can taunt the crowd. You can be an idiot. That's your job. Yes. There's such freedom in that. There's such freedom in that. And I came back and I was like, this is what I need to do.

47:38This is what I'm meant to do. This is what I'm going to do. At 17? At 17. And then by 18, dropped out of college, moved over to Canada, wrestled around Canada, around America, around Japan. And around your, my visa ran out from Canada. I had to move back in with my mom. And my mom, God bless her, like, she's only ever wanted the best for me. And the best in her eyes was not being a wrestler, especially back then. Because what I wanted, what I visualized for myself was me being seen on par as The Rock, as Stone Cold Sea Boston, as Mick Foley, as all these lads that I looked up to. But if you watched TV and you watched how the women were booked, there was lots of brown panties matches.

48:25There was mud wrestling matches. That wasn't anything I wanted to do. That was certainly nothing my mother wanted me to do. And so... There wasn't opportunities for women to really be stars back then. Not... When you started. Not in the way that I wanted to be. Not in the way that I wanted to be. And so I started looking at the women's promotions in Japan. And then I went over there and I wrestled in Japan. And I got assigned to this advertising agency over there that wanted to promote me as this big time wrestler. But then when I came home and I had to live with my mom again, she's gone, what's your plan, what's your plan, what's your plan, what's your plan?

49:06Because she always wanted a plan. But with wrestling, and I suppose any artistic endeavor, I genuinely think wrestling is an artistic endeavor, you can't necessarily plan it. Why not? Why can't you plan it? You can have a rough plan, but so much is out of your control, you know? You can work towards what you want. You can't decide when you're going to get on somebody's radar, what they're going to be looking for. You know, I think it's the same with, say, for example, an actor. An actor can do the best audition of their life, but they might have brown hair and the person is looking for blonde hair.

49:58And so they see this great audition, but that's not what they were looking for on that day. And so I started to believe that if I looked a certain way, that that would give me, that that was my plan. Really? That is how I would get there because all these women looked like figure competitors and they were beautiful models. And, you know, it was a regular average looking girl with a bit of a pair of biceps on me and decent set of shoulders. But like at the time, you know, there was there was enhancements that were standardly involved in the hiring process. and I didn't have them nor did I want to get them and so I thought well if I have abs and if I'm ripped and if I look this way then they'll want me and so kind of compare it to the Survivor song On the Eye of the Tiger and you change your passion for glory because then my focus shifted from just how I looked and how that would make if I change how I am to make them want me as opposed to being true to myself.

51:19Interesting. How long did you... And them wanting... Wanting you for who you are. For who I am. So how long did you transform into someone you think they would want? How long was that process for? Well, it didn't last very long because I completely destroyed myself. So I started bodybuilding then. I was like, oh, let me sign up for this bodybuilding competition. And if I can do well in this bodybuilding competition, then they'll see that. Just the logic that goes through my head. They'll see that. And then they'll be like, oh, yeah, let's sign her. Like she'll be on a magazine or something and we'll sign her that way.

51:59Interesting. How old were you then? 19. OK. I was 19 then. And I mean, maybe it would have worked if I committed to it. But anyway, the point was I didn't know what I was doing. I was with this lad who had never trained a girl before. He was a bodybuilder himself, but he was a giant man. And a giant, giant man. And who had done many competitions. And he was training me and my diet. Then my diet was all over the place. And then he put me onto this other guy who gave me this other diet, which then I just became amazes. And I was trying to wrestle around Japan and all this stuff. My body was just hurting.

52:35But like I was loving how I looked in the mirror because I had these abs and I was like disciplined and my focus was what I was going to eat and how I was going to train. And like I had this then sense of ego, like look at how disciplined I can be. I am so much better than everybody because I have this discipline. But ultimately I was like dying on the inside because I had no energy. My moods were all over the place. I was like leering at cookbooks of what I was going to eat when this diet finished. And ultimately, I ended up not being able to make it past 10 weeks of this diet. There was two more weeks till the competition.

53:20I just, the guy who was trying to me suggested a cheat meal and that was it. Then I just went completely off the rails and couldn't get back on. And then that then became an unhealthy relationship with food for years really years and years and years completely destroyed uh how i looked at myself and everything like that and how i valued myself and how did you value yourself then on on how i on how i looked suddenly like from somebody who had gone from valuing myself on my substance and what I brought to the table in terms of wrestling and my craft, I was then just now, I was just conforming to what I thought they wanted and what society wanted.

54:14But by then, then I was like, I don't even know if I want to wrestle anymore. Maybe that dream is over. It's time to be realistic and get a real job. Then I ended up being a flight attendant. So you were wrestling. you were pursuing professional wrestling i guess at the time yeah then you quit to be a flight attendant then well then i was like well then i then i started thinking like oh well maybe i'll be a fitness model because that'll be easy on my body and but i couldn't maintain it because i was so hungry i just loved eating like i loved eating so much and but and so then that it that Then I became bulimic and all of these things.

54:55And it was really just going from being somebody who cared about their mind, who thought their mind was powerful, to just thinking that I was a set of abs and a pair of arms, you know? And that was where I put my focus. It took a long time to shake that. How old were you when you shook it?

55:2335 wow no no no no quite but like um i think it was a process it was a process it was it was a process because i was a flight attendant hated it but was still trying i then did the bodybuilding competition i came third by the way wow out of four yeah yeah it sounded impressive um so so i did the bodybuilding competition was like standing up on stage oh my goodness i'm so glad they just everybody didn't have an iphone back then but uh i i did that and i was just like why am i standing in my underwear showing people my muscles like i this this isn't this doesn't feel like me you know because for some people for some bodybuilders it's such an artistic thing they are sculpting their body they are they love it they love the discipline of it but for me it was it was some sort of a means to an end some sort of way for me to be validated by society or something that that and it just didn't feel authentic and and and true to me it just felt like i was yeah i was just trying to be something that I wasn't.

56:40It was just consumed by my body will be my vessel too. But if it looks a certain way, then I'll be successful and whatever. And then I started to realise that the part of wrestling that I loved, it wasn't just the training, it was the performance. I loved the performance. I loved the crowd. I loved the creativity. I loved the storytelling. And I think throughout my whole life, I found that storytelling is what draws me more than anything like in school i was terrible at every subject except english and history because it was just stories like it was it was hearing stories and and and learning about these stories and i rocked at those subjects terrible at everything else and um and and and and so then i i went back to school to study acting and uh is this in london now or where is This is in Dublin.

57:37Our cellar, man, in Dublin, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I'm kind of all over the place. But like at 22, I went back to college, studied acting in Dublin, and then did a year in Chicago. Wow. And that felt like, okay, now I'm back. Now I'm back a little bit. And then it seemed more like I was part of a creative endeavor. Really? When you're doing the acting? Yes. Where did you feel like you were not connecting with in that first year? or was it the story aspect? The story part was what helped me. That's what saved my job. That's what kept you in it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, because Dusty Rhodes was the promo teacher at the time, and Dusty, like, loved his broken toys, the ones that were, like, rough around the edges, but he saw that had some soul or something about them, just a little something, just a spark, and he tried to bring that out, and so I didn't know.

58:32I didn't know who I wanted to be everybody was like find a character find a character find a character so I'd try out all these stupid characters none of them worked and of course none of them worked they were all awful but it was the trying it was the being able to put yourself out there and throw shit at the wall and see what sticks nothing stuff but I tried and I kept trying and I think he valued the creativity more than the outcome. Because if somebody came in, they were the total package. I can point to, there's a wrestler called LA Knight at the time, who right now is making big waves in wrestling.

59:21But at the time he was down there, we started on the same day, and he had everything. He had it just down. He had it down, you know. So Dusty had no more. He was smooth. He was great, yeah. Dusty was like, yeah, you're great. but he had no more work to do because he already had his act down whereas somebody like me was completely lost completely screwed had and I think I think I think there was a combination of Dusty and William Regal that saved my job Wow many many times because they saw that there was something something there in this Irish girl that had not a clue that had not a clue because I didn't like look like any of these other girls that were like stunners um i wasn't great in the ring but there was something when i talked that was unique was that was unique yeah interesting is it like six days a week training it was so it was like five days a week and then we would do three shows so you do monday tuesday you would do um a school session which is you'd watch matches but then there'd be extra training gosh that would have been so fun the watching the matches just i mean that whole experience just like being a full-time athlete training watching testing trying just like in hindsight right in hindsight but during it but during it was but i remember that that was one of the things that uh triple h would always say you know because he was head of developmental and he was always enjoy this enjoy this there's never gonna be and there was times when i would feel like i was in a rocky movie and you know like i get that like and you could enjoy it but the other part of it was not sleeping because you were always scared that you were going to be on the chopping block you could be caught like every week yeah yeah there was they we called it black friday and you'd come in you'd get pulled into the office and that was it your dream would be over and uh you know i had several friends that that got cut and and it was devastating and my friend joe the reason that i got signed in the first place who i lived with he got cut and so that was a whole new world to navigate um but but so once once the fear of not being cut subsided then you could enjoy it more but when you were scared that you were going to get fired every other day not enjoyable not enjoyable at all so when did you feel like i'm making it like when did you feel like okay i'm actually making it i don't know in my sport in society culturally financially when was the moment from 10 years ago to like i'm arriving so i think it was shortly after that shortly after the breakdown shortly after the breakdown of okay wait i'm not a bad person and then i remember coming into promo class not doing a character but just cutting an angry promo of of of i am sick of the i put in all of this work i have done this i have done that i have done this blah blah blah blah blah blah blah and and and and this is why i deserve a shot this is why i need to be on tv and i remember cutting that promo and then like people like seeing a bit more of an edge and it wasn't just a hi yeah please don't fire me hi hi hi hi i'm so happy to be here like there was there was this there was now this weird confidence and this um i wasn't so meek anymore like i had a chip on my shoulder and i was ready to fight and then things started to to to happen there and like then i got on tv one of the worst debuts of all time really oh my god terrible uh i i came out there doing the stupid irish jig and i I can't the Irish jig.

1:03:08You tried to dance. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Tried to do the Irish dance. I tried to do the Irish dance. Like as hammed up as possible. Oh, man. Like shameless, just shameless. But like at the time, there was this girl, Emma, she was doing this wacky dance. And it was like, okay, well, like wackiness is getting people on TV. There was just wacky characters left, right, and center. Because that was the thing about the developmental system. down there you got the chance to be wacky and you got the chance to try things and fail and so I failed epically publicly on TV on TV that lives on forever that will never be erased from history but hey if you can come back from that you can come back from anything let's go and so the greatest part of it was like I didn't even realise how awful it was until like a few nights later and like I remember seeing Triple H and being like what did you think as if he was like oh yeah that was amazing you dominated yeah but the audience loved me they were still they were real positive to me I think come on like I was a little idiot like I suppose you couldn't really boo me like god bless her you know what did she think what was she thinking look at this fool but yeah and then and then I tried various different things But I remember after that and then just having this different perspective and this gratitude that I was able to pay my bills.

1:04:46And the food in my fridge was bought by the money that I'd made from wrestling. And the roof over my head was paid for by the money that I'd made from wrestling. And I was driving a car with the money that I'd made from wrestling. and like I was just driving with just tears of gratitude that I could afford these things with the money that I'd made from wrestling because I've never felt like money that I've made from wrestling is real money. You know, it just doesn't feel like real money because I'm not working, you know. You're having fun. I'm having fun. I love, I love what I do. I love what I do.

1:05:26Wow. I love it. I love it. And sometimes it's hard and sometimes there's so many opinions and there's, you know, like our wrestling fans, they're so vocal and they're so great. But, you know, you take the good with the bad. So sometimes you're getting lots of negative opinions on what you're doing or you're getting. And so where you or you think creative should be this way or you should be booked that way. And so you can get bogged down in those things. When it comes to the creative process and I'm putting together a match or I am thinking about a promo, I don't think there's anything bar like playing with my child that makes me feel more alive.

1:06:12like I just I love it so much and I love just like something coming to me and building from that you know just these little seeds of ideas like what if we try this you know what if we try this maybe this will work and maybe it'll be awful but that's the greatest thing about wrestling is that you because we do it 52 weeks a year because we're on the road constantly you get to try and fail so often but you get to try and succeed so often too and you never know which way it's gonna go but if you keep trying you know sometimes you hit gold well sometimes you don't right sometimes you think something's gold and other people don't and but that's art right like you do the art for what you want to do and then whatever the audience takes out of it is up to them big uh wwe fan rick rubin we had on the show i love rick and he talks about what you just said making art for you and writing in your journal in your diary the things that are meaningful for you your art not worrying what people are going to think about it but having the courage to put it out there and allowing others to see it as well that's like part of the process yeah and uh he's a big fan isn't he oh he's huge wrestling yeah yeah yeah and his book is it's amazing have you read it yeah it's so good read it listen to it yeah he's great yeah and i i love because i just like sometimes i just uh i'm like okay what do i need right now universe tell me yeah and then of course it's exactly what you need in that moment i love it um but it is it is that but the other thing about wrestling which is so different from any other artistic endeavor like writing a book you have it you you you can take your time you know if you're writing a script or whatever maybe like a movie or a song if you have an album but like say if you're writing a song you can just take your time to do that wrestling we didn't we ain't got time like this show is gonna go live on tv we gotta make it happen 8 p.m and if at 7 p.m you don't have something you better find something because we're we're gonna go live have you ever not felt like you were prepared before going live and having to come up with something on the spot a million times really oh yeah because now it's different but uh it used to be back in the day the show would be getting rewritten while the show is going on live in front of people so you would have like an idea of what you're going to say and then somebody comes up no no no no no you have to say this find a way to put this in and so you're okay going out the curtain and changing things as you're going out yes you have to evolve what you're going to say yeah and sometimes and and that's happened like several times and but it's really exciting it's scary but exciting at the same time because it's chaos yeah and it's chaos and so whatever comes out is great because you can't it's just organic it's just in the moment it's the ultimate yes and experience yes i love it it's so exciting so you don't know what's going to happen but something's going to happen there's been so many times when i've had like we're putting together a match but we haven't had the time and so like you're going out and you think that you have something but you're not sure and you're not sure if everybody else is on the same page but you go out there and something happens like something's gonna happen because something has to happen based on what happens they might rewrite the next thing and the next thing and it just keeps evolving huh yeah because you never go out there and nothing happens right because that can't happen because that would be weird you're like people aren't just going to stand in the rain wait to be told what to do someone's gonna do say something and hit someone and he's gonna go to the next person yeah we're just gonna go because that's what has to happen yeah so it's it's such a but throw you out there you just figure it out yeah it's such an exciting wow that's exciting i i've told you i've never been to a show so i gotta come and watch watch you you gotta come it's the best i'm curious when is there a moment and you've had so many different matches over the last you know 10 15 years when was the match or the moment that you were in the most flow that you felt like 100 authentic to you that the words were flowing the movement was flowing like it was all connecting and the audience was connected to you gosh I suppose there's several um like recently recently I had a match with Trish Stratus it was a cage match and it it it just felt like yeah I'm so present everything that it needs to happen is happening and that was back in September so that's like there's like these big matches that stand out because it'll often happen on live events and different things but there's these big moments, these big events built around it and then a match that I had with Bianca Belair WrestleMania 38, one of my favourite matches one of my favourite stories leading up to it and I was the bad guy and I loved it I loved that I was having so much fun and she was she's this great athlete and this great baby face and she can do everything and uh and I was getting to because I'd robbed the title from her essentially like I'd underhandedly beat her yeah and I was going to be able to give her back her championship she would beat me for it I wasn't handing it out she would beat me for it but it was that you know her redemption story and that was that was so fun to be a part of and then there was another match that I had in 2018 with Charlotte Flair as the last woman standing and that one stands out because I remember it being the first match where I felt confident in it in the moment I can do no wrong really yeah yeah yeah what year is this it's 2018 2018 yeah I want people to get your book beautiful stories, lessons about someone from, you know, really a small town, small country, who was able to become one of the biggest stars in the world, and all the different life lessons and stories along the way, which are really inspiring.

1:12:37So I want people to get a copy of your book, The Man, Not Your Average, Average Girl. Make sure you guys check this out by Rebecca Quinn. Really inspiring stuff, and just some really cool stories in here that I think people will like, whether you're into WWE or not. You know, again, I've never been to a match, but I thought all this stuff was fascinating. So I'm coming one of these days. I'm going to be there. I have three final questions for you, Rebecca.

1:13:03The first one is called the three truths. It's a hypothetical question. So I'd like you to imagine, if you can, a moment that you get to live as long as you want in this world. But it's your last day, many years away. You get to pick as old as you want to be. But eventually you got to turn the lights off for yourself. And in this hypothetical world, you have to take everything with you. So no one has access to this book, our conversation, any piece of content that's ever been out. Anything you create from this moment moving forward, it has to go with you when you leave. But on the last day, you get to leave behind three lessons to the world.

1:13:42Three things you know to be true, and that's all you would be able to leave behind to everyone else. What would be those three truths for you? to believe in yourself

1:13:56my dad said said something and it's it's from the Bible but he misquoted it but I and it's a quote that I use in this book too and he misquoted it but I like his version better and it's if you bring forth what is within you what you bring forth will complete you if you do not bring forth what is within you what you bring forth will destroy you wow and uh i love that i love that it's essentially being authentic to whatever it is inside um and the other one the third one uh i will use the most polite language that i can just don't be just be nice to people be good to one another you know I think that's what we need in this world more than anything and if you want an outlet for people not being good to each other watch wrestling watch wrestling where they're not being nice to each other but it's agreed upon it's contained it's contained and it's controlled because I think more than ever, especially in a world where negativity is a hot commodity, where the algorithm loves it, it is more important, where we thought that we left the bullies in the schoolyard, but we don't.

1:15:29They're online every day. They're constantly telling you. They're constantly chirping in their opinions. I think we need more than ever just to be good to one another. That's beautiful. I hope you enjoyed today's episode and it inspired you on your journey towards greatness. Make sure to check out the show notes in the description for a full rundown of today's episode with all the important links. And if you want weekly exclusive bonus episodes with me personally, as well as ad-free listening, then make sure to subscribe to our Greatness Plus channel exclusively on Apple Podcasts. Share this with a friend on social media and leave us a review on Apple Podcasts as well.

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