Jason Derulo on Self-Mastery, Success & Unleashing Your Creative Genius EP 1460

31:55Yeah. But I never thought that my social business would be as big as my music business. Really? It's insane. It's almost there now or it's the same size? Arguably bigger. What? Arguably bigger. Holy cow. How else are you monetizing besides, I guess, brand deals? Are you, are you selling your own stuff now? Are you building your own businesses on the backend that are either silent or public? What else are you doing? Cause I know you're a mastermind in business. And I think a lot of people think you're just an artist or just, you know, an entertainer or musician, but I can see the moves you make and how you think brilliantly about your brand, the marketing, the messaging, even when it seems silly or not thoughtful, I know it is.

32:40And so one of the businesses you're building or the other revenue streams you're generating beyond the brand deals. So now when a, uh, any company comes my way, if they are not, you know, the biggest companies in the world, I don't want to mention any brands, but if they're of the biggest brands in the world, they have to come with some sort of equity conversation now. I like that. So it's like they can't, humbly speaking - They can't afford one post. Exactly. So they got to give you something bigger. Yeah. So if I believe in a brand, I can get ownership in so many different brands like this, and they come every day, it's like a new thing.

33:26And you never seen a deal that you didn't like right so they all look amazing they all look amazing but you got to go for the ones that you personally love yeah um but um that's a huge huge uh win from socials as well obviously um but i the the best thing that i like man honestly um and i'm not giving you a pop star answer like i've talked about before but i love the fact that people got a real insight to my life like people ask me how my dog is. People ask me how my son is. I think that's just a beautiful thing. I'd never met a person in my life and they'll come and ask me how these personal things about me.

34:08And I just think that's really cool. That's beautiful, man. I feel like people have a real inside now. That's beautiful, man. What is the thing that people don't know about you that you wish they knew? Because they see a certain side of you. Yes, they see a more personal behind the scenes side, but what is the thing that most people still don't know about you that you're either proud of um that you want them to know um i don't think people realize the um the business side as of yet um and i'm i'm okay with i'm okay with that i think i think it's a little soon for people to know exactly how deep it's going.

34:53But I'm just in a totally different headspace. When I'm in that business guru mode, it's really cool, man. But I just really enjoy building things from nothing. I think that's my passion. And so like writing a song is like building something from scratch. um uh real estate i love you know building things from the ground up um uh businesses is the same way i love building the businesses from the ground up and that's kind of been like my last like five years is just like starting something from scratch and then just yeah you know watching it grow something you've done that has always impressed me and inspired me from the beginning of hearing i think your first song that kind of took off what was that 2008 2010 what was that uh nine not yet around that time um when i noticed it and i'm assuming a lot of people noticed it but that's something i noticed right away was you singing your name uh-huh and i recognize a lot of songs but i never know the face of the singer or the name i'm like yeah that's a catchy song but i don't know who they are yeah i'm not in the music world that much to like understand it but i'm gonna go yeah i know that song who is that person i would but i would never know their name or their face where did you get that from that kind of like because because a lot of people are doing that now and i feel like you were one of the first uh to do that where did that come from why has that been powerful for you and personal brain because i really feel like it's branded you personally in a beautiful way before personal branding was a thing so where did that come from

36:39It was my first song. I was about to release What You Say and the song was done. It was originally a song for Sean Kingston. We had written it for Sean Kingston. Actually, Sean co-wrote on it as well. And the label didn't want it. His label didn't want the song. um so we were like that's making my first single um and had completed the song it was all done and i was just like this could be my one chance like for the world to hear me like if this if this song is going to be heard by all these people at least like if i can get like a couple of million people to like hear my name like i'll be i'll i'll still be building i'll give myself to the next level even if this song doesn't become a hit you know um and that's where the idea came from so i played around with like different ways to do it and um the what you what you hear now is the one that stuck and boy i didn't think that and it was going to stick like that it's stuck man it is stuck bit it's almost like um i'm not referring this in this way but i in a relatable way it's almost like when you secure a commercial yeah jingle over and over again the way you say your name is a context similar to like memorizing it and you wanting to sing it that way you know the audience wanting to sing it that way which is brilliant thank you man yeah so you tried it in a bunch of different ways oh yeah What was it like?

38:21You were trying to sing it deep, you were trying to just say the name.

38:29Jason DeRuwe. Jason DeRuwe. Jason DeRuwe. That's it. Really? I'm like that. Wow. But I was in the booth. Now, when you did it on the song, was the label like, okay, that's cool? Or they were like, nah, we don't want your name in it. Like it messes with the song. Oh, nah, there was no mention of that. Like, nah. I did my whole first album with one guy. Okay. Um, Jay, I wrote him who was, uh, also, uh, the CEO of the, uh, record label that I was on. So we did the whole thing together. So, I mean, there was, there was no egos or anything. Now, did you get, did people comment on that during that time where they're like, oh, that's really cool.

39:10You should keep doing that. Or was that more your vision? And I want to keep saying my name for people to remember it. Well, after the first song came out, it was such a thing that I was like, dang, I should probably do it in my next joint. Wow. So I did it again in my next song, which was In My Head. And then when Riding Solo came about, I was like, I'm going to chill. I'm not going to do it on this song. That how did it do? Yeah, it was great. Stoodle great. Yeah. But I feel like people know you from that as well. It's like another signature move of yours. 100%. You know, I guess signature dance move, it's like a signature audio move or something.

39:46Yeah. I mean, I called the books, you know, sing your name out loud. But the reason I called it that has, I mean, of course there's correlation to that, but it's from the, you know, speaking things into existence and using the power of the tongue. You know, just like speaking things out loud, you know, but I put it together. I think it's beautiful, man. Thank you. I think it's beautiful, man. Now, I'm also curious because you are so gifted as a singer, like you mentioned, you were, I think you were classically trained or you did opera training. You did some different things. I've seen a lot of your, uh, singing on different shows of you doing that stuff, but you didn't, you did more on the auto tune thing in the first song.

40:28Why didn't you lead with your voice, uh, without that in the first song? Was there a reason? It's an artistic choice. Yeah. You know, um, the, uh, sample that you more than heaped sample was a vocoder so like it matched so well with the vocoder you know um so i mean that was that was you know the idea behind it but it just seemed like it was a crush i mean like it was a crutch like people thought oh he can't sing or whatever yeah and that was just around the time of like death of auto to it all kind of crazy i was like on the tail tail end of that that whole like right at the beginning of that whole thing.

41:07So it was just like bad timing. I mean, the song did great. It did great. It worked. Because nobody thinks of, when you think of Daft Punk, you don't think like one more time, you don't think like, oh, like he probably can't sing. You know, you're thinking like, oh, that's an artistic choice. But I think it was just the time period, you know, with the whole death of auto tune, it was just like bad time. Wow. It still did well though. It did amazing. Now, you talked about these kind of three moments that, you know, were essentially breakdowns that led to breakthroughs in the last 12 years. Was there a time that you doubted yourself the most, either during this or in any other moments?

41:50And if so, or a time where you just had other struggles with friends or family or just other stuff in life happening where you really doubted yourself? And if so, how did you overcome that doubt? Right at the tail end of the pandemic, I told myself, I talked really, really down to myself. And I said, you've done so well in your life. Um, you should probably just like, you should probably coast. It's time to coast. Chill. Yeah. You've done so much. You've gave, you've given so much. Like, relax, chill. And what that meant to me, just so I'm clear, so I'm clear to everybody else. It was like giving up.

42:45It was like, this is the end. And the end to me is when you're not pushing for the next level. You're not pushing to gain something else.

43:03And a couple of weeks passed and a couple of months passed. And I was really, you know, putting my energy into TikTok. It was just like, okay, I'm not really messing with music. So I wasn't really like writing very many songs. And then I was like, when I was a kid, I dreamed of this place that I'm in right now. of getting to this place and my starting point my starting point my starting point was here when my uh ending point was here i had to i had to jump from here to here i have way less of a climb to be the best in the world here than from here to here right why stop right here that's like stopping at 90 97 push-ups what are you doing you gotta you gotta hit those last three reps bro you have to hit those last three reps like you can't stop at 97 um and then in that realization is when i was like i have to get off of this record label that i'm on i have to um uh get a new deal and go with a team that like really believes in me so that like I'm hearing you know great things from other people as well I feel like I had too much negativity in my ears and when all of this negativity is coming your way and then you're talking down to yourself it just weighs you down so I needed like new energy interesting um and then when I uh was able to get off the label finally after a battle um I thought the world was going to be my oyster and then it was just going to be like open arms just like everybody's gonna want to sign me it was the craziest thing in the world again I had sold 200 million records at that point and crickets it was just like no one wanted to sign you no one wanted to sign me but you were like the biggest social media star and selling albums and I was I was really on the rise of social media yes but there was no music uh there was no music since like Swala.

45:17What year was that? Swala was like 2017. Oh, so it'd been, yeah, four or five years. 2017, 2018, something like that. So yeah, so it was like... Can he still, does he still have it? Yeah, this is probably the end of the road for him, you know? That kind of vibe, you know? They didn't say that, but like I was feeling it, you know what I'm saying? So I thought I was gonna be able to go to this lady it was it was crickets it was like oh he's too expensive i mean yeah we don't know if we want to go in that direction oh we already have this person it's a little too it was like that conversation so that that put the biggest fire in my heart that you could possibly imagine wow i was like okay i'm gonna do this myself i'm gonna do it myself so that's when um i went on on a run and i uh put out savage love as a independent um song that was huge dancing as an independent song and i was just dropping things independently and and tiktok was blowing them up too it was just like exactly so i was the biggest independent artist on the planet and then all those same virtual labels was like hey what's up yes i was like nah i'm straight i'm straight i'm straight i'm straight i'm not i'm not messing with you guys um so i went with um atlantic who um i felt you know was aligned with uh my creative they were aligned with um what i wanted to do business wise and on my masters and um be a partner not not just signing to you but we're gonna be 50 50 partners in this and i'm i'm i'm going to be the label as well um so yeah so like you it was it was that blow that took me again you know sometimes it's your lowest lows that get you to your highest highs man yeah i feel like there's a lot of people when they get money fame success eventually they crumble or they don't know how to manage it or their ego gets too big or they start treating people poorly or just they kind of climb and then they fall.

47:29Yep. How have you learned to be like consistently climbing while also maintaining your sanity, your inner peace, your, you know, self-love and self-care, um, as opposed to letting it all get to you too much where you crash and burn. I think people stop and smell the roses too much. Like we know the roses are beautiful. We know they smell great, but But we're on a path, we're on a journey. Life is a journey. And it's a life journey. There's no destination because we can always be better. We can always be greater. We can always be a better version of us. And what happens is everybody usually makes their first steps are usually the great ones, right?

48:23when you're hungry, you know, you don't necessarily know where your next meal is coming from. You're down in the dumps. You don't like how people are treating you. You want to be better in life. You want to have this, you want to have that. And you want girls to look at you a different way. Um, you know, you want to drive nice things, boom, boom, boom. But then when you arrive and you get those things, even though it may be temporary, when you get them, it's like, oh, I'm good. I'm lit. I made it. And then you take a deep breath and you're like, oh yeah, this life, this is what I've been waiting on.

49:01But what you're forgetting is success is never owned. It's rented. There's somebody hungry always. There's always somebody younger, hungrier, more talented, more driven than you are. So they're not going to stop coming. that competition doesn't stop coming at you. Just because you've arrived here doesn't mean there's not millions of people just on your neck and waiting on that slot to open up. I love one of your rules for your dreams is I think it's the rule number four in the book. Success is for rent and you'll never pay it off. The rent is due every single day if you want to stay at that level or get to the next level.

49:49Definitely. Did you ever feel like there was a moment when you stopped paying rent and you saw, oh, this is really affecting me in a negative way?

50:02Or have you always been consistent in some way in your life? I've always been really consistent in some way. Honestly speaking, I think my greatest gift is my work ethic. And I was blessed with a lot of things, but my biggest gift I feel like was that. Yeah. how do you manage fame now because you had a certain level of fame before sold over 200 million records before the social media fame but now you're like a whole nother level of people knowing you and connected to you in a different way how did you manage it then versus how do you manage it now with people more people in your business now um i mean i'm i'm kind of like an average Joe kind of guy.

50:47Okay. Yeah, I got the green hair, I got the... I got the... I got a hundred million followers, you know, just kind of average Joe kind of guy. No, what I mean is like, I'm not really like... I'm not like really sensitive or like super emotional or like... I'm just kind of like regular average dude, you know? Yeah, yeah. So like, I just want to be respected just like everybody else. And I know when I'm meeting people for the first time, it might be their only chance to ever meet me. So I generally try to make it the best situation that they could have had, right? Because it's the one chance. I just have a couple rules.

51:32When I'm eating, I don't do it when I'm eating. When I'm with my son, I don't do it when I'm with my son. at the age that he's at now, maybe down the line, you know, when he's a little older. But, and yeah, besides that, it's all good. Oh, when I'm working out, it's 50-50. I saw you at the gym recently. We were both there. You were working out, and I think you were the trainer or a friend. And I knew you were going to be coming on, but I was like, oh, he looks pretty focused. I'm like, oh, next time, after we meet on the show, then I'll say hi to you. That's my God. Um, I'm curious, love is something that I feel like a lot of people want, uh, they crave and they don't know how to manage.

52:20When do you feel the most loved in your life? In a relationship or anything? I feel really loved in a relationship when

52:34my girl or whoever i'm seeing cooks for me really yeah it's like a real thing i don't know if like it's the oh like i'm old-fashioned or what it is but like i am really i just appreciate it so much like on a different level i think because um it seems like so underrated to other people but i'm just like like you feel taken care of or loved yeah yeah that that's like the ultimate love to me i i just you know it's true um the weight to my heart is through my stomach for sure um i don't know if that's the fat boy in me or what it is but like i'm like oh yes you she really messes with me i she really she cares Yeah, she cares.

53:19She put her heart and soul into this. I really, yeah. So that's my favorite. Interesting. And in my career? Just in life, when do you feel loved the most? When do you feel the most loved? Is it when you have an idea, like you talked about, I got this idea and then we go work on this song or this video or this business in the process? Is it when you've created something and people are resonating, they're sharing it, they're singing your music is it you know positive comments is it just hanging with your friends is when your dog is laying on you like when is that time yeah i think when i feel the most love is when i'm with my family um and we just have our our moments and i think it's usually around food and drinks.

54:12So food. How do you stay so fit though with, with all this food and drinks? I work out a lot, man. Cause you're shredded, man. Oh, thank you, man. How does a fat kid stay shredded? Don't eat. Nah. Are you putting regimen though on your, your food intake and your calorie intake or how do you? So I, I, I've yo-yoed. I've done every diet. I've done every fad, every single thing. Fasting to keto to paleo to whatever. Yeah. Seven meals a day. Several. Two meals a day. 12 meals a day. Salmon shakes. Yeah. Liquid diet, fruit diet. Literally everything under the sun. So I know exactly how each thing reacts to my body and how it works.

55:00Um, and, uh, I really try to now have a sustainable, um, like asking my, my body, not asking too much of my body in terms of what I'm eating. Right. So I need, I need some sort of pleasure. I enjoy having a drink or two. Um, I'm not willing to just go cold turkey and not have any drinks. So I know that in the back of my mind, I'm going to have some carbs that are not great for me. So I need to do this, this, this, this, and this so that I can offset that. And I think it's the same for, I mean, I make these Millie Meals, which are these crazy desserts, and people are saying, how do you eat those?

55:47And then like - What is a Millie Meal? A Millie Meal is every time I get a million followers. Uh-huh. I think I've seen this, like a big bucket of ice cream or something, or what are you there? I mean, all kinds of crazy. I mean, I've made fried ice cream, tacos. I made humongous ice cream, chocolate chip sandwiches, everything you can imagine, like a cotton candy sandwich, all kinds of crazy. So when you hit a million followers, a million more followers, you'll do a big celebration with food. So I've done a lot of them. You've got to invite me over for one of those, man. For sure. I know you're not going to finish it all.

56:23For sure. I don't, man. I don't. But I usually invite people over to have it. And it's nine times out of ten really, really good. Sometimes it's not great. Wow. But, yeah, it's all about trying to, you know, it's a balance. You know, if I know I'm going to have that meal that night, I might fast. Or I might have moan broth with some veggies in it, you know. um and that's that's usually been the game changer for me but if i'm trying to like get shredded for something then i go crazy so like for instance i'm going to bali you know in a couple of days and i'm gonna shoot i'm gonna shoot a music video for glad you came my new song is about to come out so i want to look like super duper like i'm really like a bug wow so you're eating like one meal like a thousand calories a day and doing cardio.

57:15I'm doing bone broth. So I'm doing, um, yeah, I have like a little something, something. So like earlier today I had like some popcorn and like a couple of grapes and like horse nuts and watermelon and then like bone broth with veggies in it. So it's not terrible. Right. Right. It's not terrible. Watermelon and popcorn game changers. Wow. Barely any calories, just lit. I've got a couple of final questions for you. This has been really inspiring and I'm so glad that you're opening up about all these different areas of your life and business and branding. So much has happened for you in the last really 12 years with these, well, I guess 14 years with these kind of three big moments.

57:53It's 2013, 2023. Where do you see the next seven years? What's the vision you have for the next seven years of what you want to be doing with your time, the things you want to be creating in the world and the impact you want to have by 2030. I asked a lot of, um, uh, really high level people to give me a quote advice to the reader, right. And how they could help the reader succeed. Um, and I asked, um, a lot of really high level people that I didn't think would, uh, respond or do it. And they did. There was a lot of amazing people in there, you know, from Will Smith to Ellen DeGeneres to David Guetta, all kinds of amazing people.

58:46And I asked, there's like some white billionaires in there that I really respect. And I asked two people that it was really important for me to have two high-level black guys with high net worths. So I asked Tyler Perry. He's inspiring. Yeah, and I asked Magic Johnson.

59:19And they didn't give me the quotes, man. Really? Why not? That really, it really did something to me. Because I specifically said, as a young black man, when I, before I became, you know, who I am today, and I was reading this book and I was trying to be inspired, I would want to hear from somebody that I thought was overly successful to know that I can do it as well. um and i said that to them i said listen you know it's really important for you for our community for you to like to to say say something share something it could be literally any anything could be five words five words it would just it would just mean a lot to that young black kid to hear from you um and they and they didn't respond interesting um that just put a little more fuel to my fire to now like i i have to become i have to become that guy wow because like i need i need to be that i because i i want to i want to be that voice i want like i really want to um inspire and let them know that it's a possibility you know the kids where i'm from you know um so i want to be able to uh um speak those words myself if i couldn't get it from somebody else.

1:00:45Brian, that's beautiful, man. Yeah, thank you. That's inspiring. What do you want people to say about you? And how you want to be remembered? I hope people understand that the majority of the things that I do is as a act of service. I think we're all put here for a specific purpose, and the majority of what I do in my life is not for personal gain. It's for some sort of act of service to somebody else. Even before I pray before every single show, I always mention the fact that I'm dedicating this show to anybody that's out in the audience that needs to be inspired, that's going through something that needs a pick me up.

1:01:33So like, it's always like, you know, it's like, what can I do for somebody else? Like, what is the, how is this going to impact somebody? How is this going to, going to be a small part of their life to help better, you know what I'm saying? Um, so I hope that, um, I can be remembered as, as that, someone who is always thinking about, uh, the next person. Wow. That's beautiful, man. I love it. I've got three final questions for you before we get into them. Sing your name out loud, 15 rules for living your dream. We'll have it up here on the video. We'll have it in the audio description and everything.

1:02:11Make sure you guys get a copy. I've gone through a lot of it. It's really inspiring. I love your rules and I love how you talk about each one of these. We only talked about a few of them today. We'll have to get you back on in the future and talk about more. but so many powerful nuggets with inspiring lessons that I think anyone could resonate with. And again, it's really cool to see you, where you've come from to be able to build the business, the platform, the health, the life that you have using these rules. Yeah, for sure. And so I want people to get a copy, give them to your friends, get a few copies, and make sure to check it out.

1:02:48Again, we'll have it all linked up. You've also got a new song. depending when this comes out it's either out right now or it'll be coming out soon yeah i heard it before it's really catchy man all your stuff's been super catchy thank you brother um but tell us about that and the best place for us to listen to it i'm so glad you came man it's uh one of my favorite songs that i've done in a long time and one of my favorite songs i've ever read in general um it talked about the power of destiny and uh how one moment can kind of change your life forever You know, the fact that I met this girl in this location at this club, if I would have never danced with her that whole night, she would have never been my girl.

1:03:30You know, we were just in the right place at the right time. So, yeah, it's a beautiful love story that talks about the power of destiny. Wow. So, yeah, I really love this. I'm excited for people to sink their teeth into it. It has like an 80s vibe to it. Where's the best place for us to listen? Oh, you know, it's available everywhere. Yeah. Where do you like to send people though, too? Where were they? Spotify the best. Spotify. That's a spot right now. Spotify. Yeah, yeah. Check it out. Very excited, man. We're going to have everything linked up. Obviously, if you're not following Jason on social media, Jason Derulo everywhere on social media.

1:04:07So make sure you're following. If you're the seven people that haven't followed him yet, make sure to check out one of his platforms. This is a question I ask everyone at the end called The Three Truths. So imagine a hypothetical scenario. It is your last day on earth many years away. You live as long as you want to live and you get to accomplish every dream you have. All your rules, you keep putting them into practice to accomplish every dream. But for whatever reason, in this hypothetical scenario, you got to take all of your music, your books, this conversation, it all disappears. So no one has access to your content anymore.

1:04:44all your social media content, everything you've ever said, for whatever reason is gone, hypothetically. But you get one final message to share with the world. It could be a song with three lessons that you would share, three truths. And this is all we have to remember you by. What would be those three lessons or three truths that you would want the world to know? Wow. So basically my, it's like my commandments. Yes. Three of them. I would say, I would say first, life is short. Don't spend your life doing something that you don't love, that you're not obsessed with, that you are not waking up every day excited to do.

1:05:36it's not about the money because at the end of the day i've been on both sides and it's not the destination that's the the great part it's the journey i've had the best time of my life creating this path like on the journey my favorite times that i can remember are the times where i was laid up at night writing the song um not getting any sleep those are those are the moments it's not it's not driving in a Rolls Royce that's that's not like a dope memory to me I'm not like remember that time we drove in a never when you when you when it's all said and done and uh you know your your your life is over you want to be like oh I spent my life doing the things that I love that's like a one from Rwani number two protect your peace

1:06:36that's the circle that you have around you the people that are around you you are you are some of those people and if they are feeding you negative energy and if they're feeding you negative comments that can easily soak into yourself and you can start believing the things that they say you need people around you that that that think that you're greater than you think you are so that you can continue bringing yourself up but your peace of mind is more important than any relationship than any uh amount of money peace of mind man so protect your peace if somebody if something you think somebody's off like dead died and make sure that you can continue to move um um, in a, in a way that is, is your, your Zen, whatever yours in is staying there.

1:07:29Okay. And then number three, oh, that, that, that works for a job that works for your job as well. You know, if you have a toxic boss or you have, you know, toxic other employees that work with you, like you, you need to escape that situation in some way or another, because you don't want to bring that kind of energy home with you. I don't think I've ever heard you talk like this publicly sharing this stuff yeah i probably haven't actually you know honestly writing this book i feel like really changed me as well in a way um because it forced me to like remember all of the things all of the positive things that i've done and all the negative things and all the times that i've fallen on my face and all of the times that i succeeded and like what those things were like forced me to really dig down deep.

1:08:18It was like, oh, that was that moment that I failed because of that. And oh, I won that because I was doing this. Like it really kind of took me on a memory lane. So I even learned a lot about myself and about life through writing this book. Like this, this couple of years writing this book has been really eyeopening. And sometimes when you know something and you teach it, you know it a lot better. A hundred percent. Yeah. Yeah. So third truth. This is a personal one for me. This one you can take or leave, but this is personal to me in my life. Family over everything. I have had many girlfriends in my life.

1:09:07I've had many friends in my life. People come into my life, come and go.

1:09:15And my family has always been there, you know. And through my lowest times,

1:09:25those are the people that I can count on the most, you know, is my blood, you know, my flesh and blood, My inner, I should say, my specific household, my household that I grew up in. You know, moments like when I broke my neck and like there was no sign of we didn't know whether I was going to be able to get back on the road and like be successful anymore. Like we didn't know what was next. But like I was able to turn to family, you know what I'm saying? And growing up, I was always really more drawn to my family than my friends. And I had a pretty big family, so I was blessed in that area. But yeah, friends can get you in trouble.

1:10:16And at the end of the day, if you had some bones buried somewhere, who are the people who are the people that you think that you could trust to tell you know or if you had like some buried treasure somewhere who's the person that you think could go and help you and like wouldn't tell anybody else like who are those people in your life keep those people as close as possible because they don't come down and doesn't you know Brian so that's beautiful family over everything I love that before I ask the final question I want to acknowledge you Jason for opening up man for being super real and authentic.

1:10:57Again, I think a lot of people see short content from you, which is inspiring and entertaining, but I've never heard a long-form interview with you, really, in this way. I hate, you know, five-minute stuff. It's you, man. You got that special judge, man. You get it out of people. But I appreciate and acknowledge you for how you inspire people, how you show up consistently, how you, you know, dedicate to your craft, how you continue to strive for excellence. So I want to acknowledge you for everything you've done and everything you're going to keep doing, man. It's really inspiring to watch. And next time I'll join in the gym and get some reps in with you.

1:11:33Absolutely. Final question, what's your definition of greatness? Definition of greatness. The definition of greatness to me is thriving at the highest level in any arena. Whether it's math or whether it's music or whether it's social media, being able to consistently, I gotta use that word, consistently thrive at the highest level. I hope today's episode inspired you on your journey towards greatness. Make sure to check out the show notes in the description for a rundown of today's show with all the important links. And if you want weekly exclusive bonus episodes with me as well as ad-free listening experience, make sure to subscribe to our Greatness Plus channel on Apple Podcast.

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