Michael Bublé: How He Overcomes Self-Doubt Daily & The Ugly Truth About Fame

0:00Welcome back everyone to the School of Greatness. Very excited about our guests. We have the inspiring, the funny, the very talented Michael Buble in the house. My man. Thanks, Lewis. Good to see you, brother. Man, it's nice to be home. Nice to be with you. Good to see you, man. Nice to see you, too. There's so many young artists out there that are great musicians or singers or performers or artists in general who have such incredible talent, but they're missing something. Like they're missing something from breaking through. What's the thing that usually great artists are missing from where they are when you're like, you've got the talent, but you're missing something.

0:34What is that missing that a lot of them have to get that opportunity, that breakthrough, that next level? I don't know, because I can't break through. You tell me. You can't break through? Listen, dude. You've broken through. I was driving yesterday and I was listening to, I think it's 103.5. Is that what it's called? KT? Not sure. LA Station. And the DJ said, love this song. Not sure why it wasn't a bigger hit. this is michael bublaze come on i will i'll um i'll never not love you and my wife was driving and my wife looked at me and she was like she goes what do you think and i was like my heart was like oh and i was like um my heart hurts and i was like it's a i wrote a great song that song was written with michael pollock michael pollock wrote flowers for miley cyrus and this is a hit song.

1:30Dan, we wrote a hit song. And you know what? I made a music video where I spent a ton of dough and the music video was my wife and I going through our, and it was a sequel. This music video was a sequel to the music video for Haven't Met You Yet that I had made with my wife. And I was like, I have a hit song. I was like, I'm going to make this music video and people will remember the Haven't Met You video. And then when they see this that that it ends and the surprise ending of this i'll never not love you music video is that it's this it's part two they're gonna go crazy like i was like this could be a hit i'm gonna have a huge hit i got a big record company you know i mean i got lots of support this is gonna be big for me like how could it not um it's funny man i listened to the song on the radio yesterday on coast it's cold coast and i was like uh i was like this is good man and my wife was like well why it wasn't it a hit and i said like i don't know wow i said i don't know maybe i don't know can i blame it was my fault for spending so much on a music video and not using that money to do online marketing because i'm too old and stupid to know that that's how it's done now and people told me by the way they said hey do more tick tock do more yeah don't do and i was like but i can't do more tick tock because my tick tocks they don't go out to like that you know what i mean like they're reaching the people i have but they're not reaching other people yeah and uh you know what i mean like it's so you're the answer is i don't know dude and it's not working for me man like i put out stuff and you're like this is a hit and it doesn't go like hired Derek Hough.

3:16We did a music video together. I love the music video with Haley. Yeah, it was great music video. All the answers. And by the way, I wrote that with Ryan Tedder and we won the Grammy. It's a great song. Didn't do shit. But it's still, that's a dream for any artist to be able to hit a Grammy and do... I understand. Hundreds of millions of downloads. I understand, but it didn't... It didn't reach billions. It didn't... It's not... Listen, if you asked people in my record company or my management... But you're thinking about... If you ask them and go, was it a hit? They go, nope. on a different standard that you guys have.

3:46But any artist... Well, you were asking me about being successful, right? Yes, yes, about breaking through. I'm breaking through. I'm not breaking through. You've broken through, though. You've broken through your sellout arena tours, you're on The Voice. That's breaking through. And you've been broken through for 20-plus years. I guess it never... I hear you on the songs here and there. I get it. But you've broken through personally in a massive way. Yeah. and most people will never break through who have talent i i don't know like i may ask me people ask me all the time i'm like i don't understand i don't understand i don't understand how it works no i don't understand with all the options that we have why someone um blows up or what and then i get it's even deeper then i'm like okay so your song blew up now what do you have a do you a follow-up song do you have a follow-up song or more importantly um do you have a sustainable business model that you can you like i feel like you can sell two seats today and two seats tomorrow even just that two seats a day like there's a sustainable business but how how does that young person yeah there used to be like dude when i was coming up that's what i did i played clubs i played clubs i played restaurants and bars for 30 people yeah yeah anything but you know what i could go and they would pay me 120 bucks and i could 250 bucks and i could pay a couple side men and get you know my trio and it's not there so now it's like the voice listen to me i love you the voice but you should not that should not be where people have to come to get their break like the voice is a really is lovely, but what a shit experience for any, like no musician should ever have to come out on stage with someone's back facing them.

5:41You know, thank God we're not judges. You know, the other show is judges. Oh my God. I would be a judge. Thank God we're coaches where it's like, we don't need to give them critics, critiques that we can just say, how can we help you? I'm curious about you. How do you deal with criticism when you put all your money, heart and soul into a new song, a new album, a new project, and you think this is a hit. But for whatever reason, in your interpretation, it doesn't break the goals that you want it to break. How do you deal with criticism in your career and not take it too personally? I do. I just, I will sometimes I'll just, right here, I'll bite right there and I'll just cry.

6:25I was like, what is he going to show me something here? I was like, what is this? Do you take it personally when people... Does it hurt you though? Of course it does. It sucks. Yeah, I want to be loved, man. Everybody wants to be loved. And by the way, I'm really good at what I do because I'm insecure, because I'm sensitive. Like, dude, I will look out to that arena and there's 15 ,000 people, but I'm not playing to the 14 ,999 that are grooving. I'm looking at that one dude who's like... Who's on his phone or who's not... Yeah, yeah. And it's like, that's me. And I'm like, I want to break that guy.

6:58I'm going to break that guy. You know what I mean? I'm going to break that guy. But I'm sensitive. And by the way, I'm the same way at the dinner table. If you take me and hang out with your buddies and I feel like there's a silence or there's someone who's not comfortable, I can't handle it, man. I got to make sure that like... Everyone's feeling good. Everyone's feeling good. And like, that's who I am, you know? And my wife tells me that I have a problem with boundaries. She tells me that people take advantage of me, that I'm too kind and that I can still be kind, but I, you know, but that I need to, um, you need to be kind, but firm like your boyfriend.

7:38Yeah. Like, like Reba. And I'm like, yeah, but it's just not me. You know, I try my best, man, but it's yeah, dude, it's just, I get, of course I get hurt, but I don't want to, I want every, you know, and it's funny. I look at my son, my son Noah, my oldest, and it's like I look at him and I'm like, oh, dude, you're me. I'm like, you're me, dude. You are, you know, and he'll say things like, no, I didn't, this kid said to me and I was going to punch him in the head. And I'm like, I'm like, no, yeah, I'm like, I'm listening to him like, you are going to ever punch him in the head. You know, you love to talk tough.

8:09And it's one of those things where, and then I would have said, and I could have said, I'm like, no, you didn't, you didn't, you're just like me. Instead, you said something nice and tried to deescalate, and then you walked away and went, oh, kill him. It's just me, man. It's just me. So how do you stay present with four kids, your wife, who's all demand your time and attention in a beautiful way, not in a negative way. How do you stay present with continuing to strive to accelerate your career and strive to flourish and develop your family life at the same time? I am failing miserably, miserably.

8:47you know, because I'm not as present as I should be. And I'm so ambitious and I work so hard that I'm on my phone too much and I'm thinking too much and I'm working too much. And so there's that part of it that's definitely negative. You know, it's like, I wish that I could put my phone down more. I wish that I could. And weirdly, at the same time, I'm also, I also think it's a positive thing that my children can watch their dad work his ass off. Like for me, words are so cheap. And, you know, you want your kids to exercise? Well, go to the treadmill, get on the treadmill every day. And like, they see you do it, they'll do it.

9:29You know? And it's like, I want them to know that being ambitious and working hard is a positive thing. And by the way, mom is way better at taking that time and really putting her phone down. But mom works hard too. My wife is not only acting, but she's producing and she's putting together these films and she's writing some of the films and like... And so she just does it better than I do, you know? But I am not ready to stop. It's important to me, my career, the creative process, whether it's me making a record or a movie or writing a song, it still fulfills me so much. that I have to do it or I'll be unhappy.

10:18And if I'm unhappy, probably my wife will be unhappy. And if we're unhappy, the kids will be unhappy. So I'm doing my best, man. It's interesting because, yeah, we, you know, I'm going to be a dad in a few months. Because you don't know right now. Exactly. You think you know. Exactly. But you don't. So it's shifting in certain ways already because I'm, I didn't tell you this before, but I'm pursuing the Olympics to play in the Olympics for a sport called team handball, which you probably never heard of. It's kind of like water polo on a basketball court. Yeah, I know exactly what it is. With no water.

10:50Yeah, I've seen it. Okay. It's big in the Olympics, big in Europe. Yeah. But I was on the - Pretty big court too. Yeah. Bigger court than a basketball court. Yes. Yeah. Like kind of soccer with your hands. It's awesome. Yeah. It sounds exactly like I would want to go and hang with my dudes and get wasted and play that. It's fun. It's fun. And so the reason I'm saying this is because I've been planning to go back and forth from spain to la to play professionally to get back on the usa national team to go to the olympics okay which is here in three years in la and i'm already starting to be like oh i can't go as much when i'm a dad you know and i need to really figure out the time i can't be gone for six weeks maybe i can be gone for 10 to 12 days so it's already learning how to i love hearing you talk about this you know what i love well no what i love is that you have this this sort of plan in your head.

11:39Which is all going to go away. No, no, no. Because you just don't know. I don't know. I don't know what you're talking about. I don't know. I'm going to tell you you're wrong about all of it. I'm sure I am. Oh, you're completely. No, it's not. It's not what you're saying. It's how you're saying it. Tell me. Give me some advice. Well, because you're saying. Because you've got the career. Because exactly what you said was, you know, I know that I should go for this long and then I should. And this because I shouldn't be gone for more than this time. So how do you do with it? How do you do it? Here's what you're not understanding.

12:04Give it to you're not going to be you're not going to want to be gone for that yeah yeah exactly and that's where this is all going to turn to for you because what you haven't what you can't know because you haven't met the love of your life yet and that little girl or that little boy will be the greatest thing that ever happens to you in your life you have no idea because it's impossible to know it's like telling someone what jumping in a pool of water feels like if they've never felt water in there, you know, you are about to fall in the deepest way and you are not going to want to go away for that long.

12:37And by the way, the older that little meat popsicle gets, the less you're going to want to go away. You're going to miss them when you don't see them for hours. Forget about days, weeks, days and weeks. And I want to go and do this. So how do you want to do all the things? How do you navigate your career? You don't. Your career will fail and suffer in certain ways. But how have you done it? I haven't done it. I'm not as big as I should be. Really? No, I'm not kidding. I'm not. I'm not. I'm most definitely not. I haven't sold the records I should have. I haven't. You sold 75 million records. I haven't done the amount of tours.

13:13I did a lot of that, you know, in a different way before my kids. Ah, you were grinding 24-7. Riding 24-7. My tours were two months, two and a half months at a time. you know 52 countries you know then you come home and you do the tv show and you do the special and you make a you know there's whatever then you record another album and now it's definitely you know i do the voice because it's awesome to be on tv and i love the gig best gig ever that's cool you know like i love being a part of people's life sounds like a little cheesy like you have to be part of the kids you know to help younger but really like people were there for me man it's so cool to to to invest your time into watching someone else make their dream come true but it's easy the voice is easy yeah you get me and snoop and reba mcintyre now horace no but we can't you can't can't fail that's not that it's that you can't get us in a room because we're all busy yeah so you know what you get five days it's intense you know 12 hours or whatever it is and then it's done but we do it it's intense and then we're gone and snoop goes off and does his thing and reba right um and so it's great gig i do i love corporate work you know i will tour but it will be in bite-sized really yeah man how long are you touring in a time right now i won't go for i will not go usually dude it's so here's how you should tour if you're if you're a responsible touring artist and you want to make millions and millions of dollars not just for you but for the band and the agency you should go for at least without a doubt a month at the very least one month gone you know more it should be more it should be six weeks uh that's enough to make sure that your crew your travel you're not bringing people in and out um you know everybody's there and economically it's it's responsible you maximize it yeah you maximize it you know it's expensive to tour and it's a lot um you know and then you know after a month and a half then everybody gets their their week off or their week and a half and then you're back now you're gonna go to the next country well my last two tours were three weeks off two weeks on two weeks off two weeks off three weeks on three you know so three weeks was the most the most dude and of course my bringing the family accountant my dad my manager you know they were going dude do you know how much you're leaving off the table do you know that you know you didn't go to that you could have gone and played two shows in that country and two and you know you could have gone and played four in London and then four in Manchester.

15:49And, and I was like, no, no. And so, yeah, it's hurting me for sure, man. But I'm, I'm just telling you, honestly, not because this gorgeous camera is on my face, but, um, I will be miserable. I'll be miserable. Really? Yeah. What? I need to, what? To play more shows and make more money or have more power. and that's what kids can do for you you know that's what family can do for you and um it's funny it's very sweet for me to sit here and watch you and you know and uh and right now you're you're hearing me and you're trying to process it but again it's impossible to process yeah you know what you're gonna want to work you're always gonna want to be fulfilled and you know what you're smart enough to look at your wife and go hey this fulfills you too i love you she's probably really happy when she's and she probably complains too like we all do and she probably goes man i don't want to do this anymore you know 15 hours on set and i'm gonna just be you know what my wife would say to me constantly she does now we just came from argentina she made another beautiful movie and uh she was like i think i'm done really she's like i think i'm done by the way she's done this in a loop she said this every two years right done it's too much i just And then I'm going to be a mom.

17:10It's enough to be a mom. I love being a mom. And then we get home and she's home for four months. She misses it. And all of a sudden she's sitting there going, what do I do? I'm just a mom. She's like, I'm, this is all I do. I just, I'm just a service to drive them to school and take them to sports. And I'm like, babe, because you're, you're a, you're a beautiful, incredible actress and businesswoman. and I see how much light is in her eyes when she's on a day on set and the scenes are intense and challenging and she's tired. And I can see how fulfilling it is. I'm the same and you're the same and your wife is the same.

17:53But both of us have really tried to basically take it on as best as you can under the situation. What advice do you have for me then? Or what advice do you have for yourself looking back before you had your first child where you were like this, I'm going all in on my career and this, nothing's going to stop me. Would you have done anything different? You did it right. I did it perfectly. Okay. And I'm doing it perfectly. And yeah, will I sell as much or be as big or no, but will I ever look back and go, oh my God, I missed the greatest moments of life. dude i've watched so many people that i know in this business and other businesses and they struggled there well they missed it man they missed the kid the kid especially the kids at this age you know till they're 12 or 13 they they were working and kind of hurrying up the whole thing and and uh and then they realized that they searched for they searched for those feelings and they searched for for that for the joy of you know listen dude my kids won't remember last night i'm just telling you we watched we watched uh finding dory or whatever the hell it's yeah yeah yeah okay and uh all four of my kids were in our bed between me and my wife um i gave i tickled them you know gave them tickles on their they love their hair getting you know and um they'll never remember that they'll never remember falling asleep in my arms and they'll never remember that i carried each of them to bed because we make a bed in the room where they can and for them they won't you know they'll probably remember family holidays or that time that dad spazzed out when their marks weren't good or whatever um but those are the greatest memories of my life and they're happening daily and i don't want to miss it man i know i sound all cringy and like i'm being too sloppy and i'm so sure i'm right i'm so sure i'm right and if i'm wrong let me be wrong but um i don't understand people who have kids and don't feel this way i don't understand it um i almost lost mine maybe that changed things you know that our son had a diagnosis that we thought we're going to lose him and it made us even more but that's not even true because i was before that i was already all in all in man and um you know i just you know my dad said it many times he i asked him his advice dad i'm you know we're pregnant or i don't know my wife what am i i don't know what i'm doing and he would just say the same thing to me he'd say he'd say partner calls me partner my lewis he'd say partner um no one knows what they're doing but i can tell you this he'd say the days um the the the years are short but the days are long or the days are excuse me the days are long but the years are short and um he was right yeah yeah wow how could i not get a sentimental and emotional about this yeah what is the biggest lesson fatherhood has taught you then oh it just changed everything that changed changed it's just changed everything it changed i mean listen man we're in a world where people are pretty cynical and people will say things like you know people don't change tigers don't change their stripes a leopard never changes its spots um yeah you do change you know what was the biggest thing that changed about you oh my god my level of empathy oh how much deeper my faith got um uh uh you know got a lot less ego driven really yeah before it was all about you all about me all about power career really fame ego you know um oh for sure you know for sure and now i realize you know it's sad but as i'm about to hit 50 in a few months i'm like man i thought my legacy would be the music i thought it would be the songs i wrote or some kind of you know that at christmas I'm in everybody's, you know, everybody's living room and playlists.

22:15And then I realized, wow, that's none of it. Really? None of it will be, no one will remember any of that. My legacy will be how I made people feel. Not what I said, not what I did. And one day, you know, when I'm gone, people will come to my kids and they'll say, I met your poppy. Wow. I met your poppy when he was peeing. Of the School of Greatness show. Of the School of Greatness show. In the bathroom. And the guy that he used to see that was a janitor at Warner Records. And your dad was such a nice man. Wow. That's the stuff that will, I mean, that is it, dude. That's all we got, dude. You know, in this lifetime anyway.

23:00That's it, man. Because if you're like the most famous singer of all time, but you're a jerk to everyone, that's what people are going to remember. Not even a jerk. It's like, use your, use your greatness, man. Yeah. You know, and you know, before this, before the camera started and you and I were talking about kind of Rolex and branding, I'm, I'm so proud to be the face of Rolex. I've been the face of Rolex for however many years. Congrats, man. Yeah, man. But branding isn't the watch you wear. It isn't the drink you have in your hand. It is the consistency of every single relationship, discussion.

23:35meeting a dude in the bathroom like and by the way you don't have to be nice you can just you can be a prick but that's your brand but if that is consistent that's your brand yeah man that's it's your reputation what your reputation is is your consistency yeah it is your reputation is that you you know and um we're allowed to make mistakes and we're allowed to screw up and we're to be young and stupid and do really we all do it like all of us and then we're allowed to grow and you know you don't need kids to learn how to do that you know you just sometimes just a little bit of age and all that did you think about branding growing up when your grandfather was taking you to the jazz clubs and night clubs were you thinking of were you more just like how do i be the best singer that can be and best artist no performer or when did you start thinking oh my voice alone isn't what's going to make me great or successful or reach the goals that I want to reach.

24:28I need to be thinking strategically about the business, about relationships, about PR, marketing, branding. I need to be collaborating. Like, did you think about those things? No, that literally, those thoughts didn't start really affecting me until I would say maybe five or six years ago. Really? Come on, when you're 45? No, no, no, no, no. Yeah. Come on. Totally. You didn't think about any of that stuff? You just led with like, I've got the greatest voice in the world and I'll just make that. I was like, I'm a good entertainer. I love what I do. I used to talk about, I used to, I remember meeting Gordon Ramsay and I was like, dude, you and me, we're the same.

25:05And he was like, what do you mean we're the same? And I was like, we're both kind of like chefs and we love what we cook, you know? But more than that, I think we love who we cook it for. And that's how I thought of myself. I was like, dude. And you know, it's weird. The only thing I was serious about was, and this is going to sound weird as a Canadian, even at like 15, at 14, I loved the Great American Songbook. I loved jazz. I loved the writers, the arrangers, the orchestrators. I loved the musicians. You know, you just said Les Paul. Dude, I would sit and listen to Les Paul and Mary Ford. and I mean, I would, my grandpa used to put these records and he would have this thing where you could put a record player and tape it onto the cassette.

25:47And then I would like find the song, I'd finally, I'm confessing that I love you. And I would listen to it like over and over, over and over. And I would, and I was always like so afraid. And I would think like, man, why am I the only one? My age that digs this the way I do. why are they not hearing how unbelievable this is how can they not even at that age i was like how can they not understand the artistry how do people my age not get god this is so good like this is grooving harder than any hip-hop groove i've ever heard like this is um melodically this is genius this is incredible storytelling like my god the artistry the musicianship the the singers the songwriters like and i was so protective of it that even before i was ever even successful i was like hoping there'd be more people like me so every time like when i met amy winehouse for the first time i was so excited i remember hearing her and i was like oh my god she's real she's authentic like what was that like me oh she was awesome she was um she was like she was awesome she was um funny and um she didn't think it was going to happen for her i met her before but she oh yeah yeah we would do like these weird like shoots for like these kind of indie mags and stuff really yeah and there was this when did you meet oh god i would be at that time i was probably 27.

27:17but so you'd already been you'd already taken off at that point then no i i wasn't really things weren't going so i mean people didn't really know who i was till i was 28 27 28. but But they didn't know, they only knew in the Philippines or like South Africa. You weren't big in America yet. Oh, no, no, no. But I was so in England, I was like doing, I was doing like, you know, I was signed to Warner and I would go and do, you know, some like kind of event where they'd have like the upcoming people of jazz. And it would be me and Jamie Cullum, who I'm still in love with Jamie Cullum. So how old was Amy then when you met her around this time?

27:57probably i'm gonna get well how how she was 27 when she passed i think she was 27 um young she's 20 21 okay probably like just a kid you know like i mean i was just a kid too you know we go like oh you were 27 but i was um but i was so excited and i remember um did you guys ever sing together no oh my gosh that'd be an amazing and i remember too like there was the guy named peterson coddy and a kid in Canada named Matt Tuscan. I just, and people, I remember like the producer at the time, this producer I worked with, he would go to me, he'd say like, hey man, aren't you worried like about those other people?

28:37Like, you know what I mean? That they're going to take, they're going to take the position. Of course, Harry Connick Jr. was before us. And dude, I was still to this day, man. That's like my, if I'm wasted in the bus with my dudes and we're going to have like a party night, the first thing that goes on is blue light, red light. uh one of his great records that he wrote stuff and orchestrated and he's a genius man genius and it's like he was our godfather man he like was a big you know just this big part of letting us get in and and i remember this this producer kept saying to me hey man you know you you got to be the one and i was like no i don't and he was like what do you mean and i don't know why but my dad and I would talk about it.

29:18We'd always make the analogy of a furniture shop. And my dad would say to me, hey, Mike, would you rather own a great furniture store? You know what I mean? And it sits on the street and you get the people coming by, or would you rather have a subculture where you had all these amazing furniture stores and they were all special and different. And it was, you know what i mean diana crawl and and levy and jamie cullum and peterson cadi and and amy winehouse in it you know what i mean and gaga who i love gaga too and it's like yeah man that's how we keep it alive like that's how we keep it alive by building a subculture of all of us doing it in weird and different ways and then and then like me going to snoop i go to snoop all the time and i'm like, dude, you understand, man.

30:10You're like the, like, you're kind of like Louis Armstrong in a way where, you know, you bridge the gap between this kind of music and a brand new generation. And, um, and my music works with your music, even though people might think that's weird. They shouldn't like, you know, the roots of jazz, the roots of jazz and swing are where your music came from. Right. Like that is. And so when you, when you actually, if you took a stencil and you took like gin and juice, I know this sounds silly, man. And you took a stencil of gin and juice and you put it out there and then you took a killer ripping swing song that was just grooving and cooking and you put them on top of each other, you would find way more similarities than you'd ever find differences.

30:57Like it is the root, man. You know what I mean? It's different stylistically, but that thing that we love is just swing.

31:11It's what it is. It comes from rhythmically that soulful, gorgeous place. And so I just love that. I love watching all those things grow together and damn, man, I'm a protector of this stuff. Like I want this to go along after I'm gone. I hope that I can find a young kid who sings like you. Dude, there's a kid in England that I just wrote on Instagram. I don't remember his name, but I found him like George or something. His name is he's good, man. Wow. He's good. And he's too young, but he's good. And I'm like, you know what? Six, seven years. I'm going to give him a call. And you know what? Maybe I'll help him produce a record or maybe I'll do something where he can sort of be the next dude.

31:53Maybe he can take over. I don't know if he's a great entertainer. I don't know what he sounds like live, but I'll go check it out and find out. That's cool, man. Well, you did that. I saw a video of you with a guy who, like the mom who like brought the kid up once. Yeah, the little guy, Sam. I remember that. Sam, was that his name? Or he's like, Sam can sing, right? You did a whole little intro. Sam couldn't just sing. That night I was, I remember being real. I had done like, I think I'd done. That was one of 12 nights at the, I think it was the O2 or one of those places. In London. Where it was in Manchester.

32:20It was somewhere. I'd done a lot though. I just remember that my voice was crushed. You were like, you come up and sing, give me a break. It was like, now when I, and that'll show up in like my algorithm sometimes. And I'm like, damn, Sam couldn't just sing. He sang that better than me. Like he did. He sounded better than me at that, at that, at that point. I was like, oh, damn, Sam. Yeah. When was that? Do you remember? Dude. I wonder what he's up to now. I don't know. He tried. I think his mom and him tried to go and do some like, you know, but yeah. That's great, man. hypothetical situation let's say you could only do um you can only perform with one person female and male still alive and one female male who's no longer with us you know i'm sure you could pick from thousands of people who are all great but who would you personally want to do a duet with or sing with who's alive still male and female and someone who's passed whether you perform with them already or you haven't and what song would you want to do with each one of them whether it be your song their song a cover of another song putting you on the spot no no it's great question I mean uh I think yeah someone dead I think would be either would one or two would be either as a male it would be Dean Martin uh or it would be uh it would be Elvis wow one of those two that'd be incredible all right i think elvis uh it would be what song oh man probably something that would be easy to harmonize too like something like uh i was gonna say a ballad but might be more fun to it might be for more fun to sing um just something that swung real hard like uh yeah uh um i don't know what it's called i don't know what it's how's it go it goes I've been searching over mountains and out of the valley too I've been running all the way Baby trying to get I think it's called trying to get to you and man it would just like the guitar just rips and that would be amazing and then Dean I think I think probably everybody loves somebody sometimes because I've always been a huge Dean Morton a fan and um And I think it's one of my favorite songs because of the content, the lyrical content.

34:43There's a line that I think is so wonderful and romantic. What's the line? It's the last line. Everybody loves somebody sometime. And although my dream was overdue. Everybody. Oh, God. No, it's the line, if I had it in my power, I would arrange for every girl to have your charms. Then every minute, every hour, every boy could find what I found in your arms. Oh my gosh. And I thought, I always thought that was really so sweet and like so cool. And dude, the way he delivered it was effortless. Wow. And he was my favorite. And again, more of a favorite because of not just because of what he did musically, but how in all the people that I met, you know, in this business, when I heard about how he treated people, that's that's what I heard.

35:43I heard good things. And by the way, the same thing about Elvis. He treated people well. Kindness, empathy, you know, humility. Wow. And I didn't hear that about some of the others who I had idolized, you know? so what about female female uh that is a great question it really is um man it's a great question um god it's hard not to say it's interesting because it's hard not to say reba mcintyre for someone who's you know who's now because um i just i love her she is a you know people will ask me often about the voice and they'll say like you know what's snoop like and it's like It's like, hey, you know what?

36:30Snoop is awesome, but the gangster is Reba. Really? Why? Because she's like, that woman is kind and she's classy. But she is so her. That's it. She's her. She's, uh, she's so comfy in her skin and she's tough if she has to be, but always kind. She's firm, but always fair. Um, she's just so cool, man. Like she's just, she's so cool. Always with a smile, always courteous, but, um, you know, you don't mess with her. Nobody messes with Reba, no way. And I, she's, she's still, it's the greatest. I mean, what a voice. Yeah. I love country music. I mean, for me, and it's weird, I know for people, but country music and the Great American Songbook are like the same thing.

37:27Similar, yeah. They are. They're the same. It's like I, when I think about Patsy Cline or I think about Willie Nelson or I think about Hank Williams or I think about Reba, it's like, that's the American Songbook. Wow. I mean, I'm young enough where that probably should be the American Songbook. You know what I mean? And country swings too. So, so alive, probably, probably Reba. I really love her a lot. And she, you know, she's, you know, I just had dinner with her. And it's funny because she's the one I said, like, I said, you know, how are you feeling about everything? And she said to me, she goes, man, I had no idea how hard it was going to be to get here.