Michelle Obama Opens Up: Her Struggle To Feel Like She's “Enough,” Mental Health in the White House & Lessons from Childhood w/ Craig Robinson

29:24How did they learn how to do that? Like they were ahead of the game. And as mom said, she tried to do the opposite of what was done for her because she came out of a generation of that generation of, you know, they didn't know what they were doing with parenting. There was no philosophy. Kids were seen but not heard. There was no conscious parenting. There was no conscious parenting. And our parents were smart people. They weren't college educated, but they could have been, you know, my mother could have been a teacher. She could have been a professor. You know, she just didn't. There was no pathway that she saw for herself.

30:01So just like all of us, I mean, while there's some insecurity there, there's also in each of us this level of I know more than they're giving me credit for. Right. I think it's it's already there. And then it gets beaten out of you. It gets abused out of you. It gets, there are other things that get in the way. I think my mother always felt like every kid has the power and the ability to learn if you get out of their way. Right. And if you fuel it and you don't suffocate it. And my parents were sane people and just, we were blessed in that. And so that established a foundation for us to then go out in the world with this belief of, I'm pretty confident and competent because that's what our parents get.

30:57And they forced us to be that way. And every time you succeed, you know, and sometimes we rob kids of that, parents today, because we're trying to make sure kids don't fail. We're trying to avoid our hurt and our embarrassment with them failing. So we never let them, we never really hand them their lives. And so they don't get those experiences. And so they miss out on those early, you know, sort of building blocks of confidence that you need. Our parents handed that to us. And so then there were the experiences that went along with it. We were, we came into the world as good people, polite kids.

31:37We knew how to engage with teachers. That multiplies that confidence and competence because, you know, teaching your kid how to be socialized helps them. Because better socialized kids, they get better feet back from the world. Yes. And we were always the kids that the teachers liked and loved. And so now you get a little bit of that. and then now you learn how to do that, right? And then so you just keep succeeding. And for me, one of the aha moments was actually going to Princeton because I wasn't confident then because I wasn't a great test taker. I was a great grade getter, but I wasn't good on SAT.

32:22So I had good grades, not great scores. So all the scores said, you don't belong at Princeton. And there were people who saw me, saw the color of my skin and said, you're aiming too high. Right. So luckily he went. Yeah. You were already there for two years, right? Or a year or two? Yeah, I was there for two years. And she was, she's being nice. But what she really said was, if this dude can get in, I know I'm getting in. Yeah, I'm smarter than him. She is a better student than I was. I was a guy who could do well on tests. I never studied. Interesting. So my first years at Princeton, I got killed.

32:57Because you have to be able to study there. Wow. But my sister is studious and smart and just the bad, she got frazzled on the test. Yeah, yeah. And me, I was like, you know, process of elimination. Can you imagine going to these schools, being told that you're not ready? And that was my first insecurity of thinking, well, maybe I don't belong here. And that's the world telling you that you don't belong. Even though it's like, well, all my experiences up until this point say that why wouldn't I belong here? So how did you overcome that belief that you don't belong or that other people are telling you you don't belong?

33:38I got there and I looked around and went, oh, my God. Sat in a few classes. Sat in a few classes and sort of realized that affirmative action isn't just the color of your skin. But there were a lot of kids that were legacy kids. They were athletes. They were. It was like. And then you sit in class with people, a lot of bright people. but there were a lot of people that were just, so you wonder, well, how'd you get here? Who told you you were ready, right? And then doing well in that environment. For me, it sort of took the curtain off of this elitism. It lifted the veil. It lifted the veil. That's the phrase I was trying to come up with.

34:19It lifted the veil for me in a pretty, so if I'm here at the top schools, in the world and I am succeeding, then all this other stuff is a lie. You telling me that I can't, this is the scam. Like you want me to think I don't belong here when I actually do. And so that was the first step of, let me just, let me trust my gut again. Let me go back to the foundation, the things that my parents were telling me that I thought maybe they just loved me and start believing what's actually happening in the world. Let me trust my experiences. Interesting. And, and so I experienced my way into confidence and the White House is just another Princeton, right?

35:07Really? And the experience was just the same. You have a lot of people saying that there's no way that this black couple is capable of representing our country. You know, they, they are not patriotic. Look at their fist bump. You know, did she really get into Princeton? Is he really from this country? You know, did he really go to Harvard? Is his, you know, it's the same kind of, because we can't see past our own prejudice. Let's question, because we were told that there is an order and that you don't belong at the top. And what I soon realized is that's not about me. That's about them, which goes back to what we learned at our kitchen table.

35:53It's like you cannot base who you are and how you think of yourself on what anybody else other than who's at this table and knows you thinks. Because everybody's bringing their own stuff to their opinion of who you are. So you have to do the work and let your work speak for itself. That's fascinating because if you're at, you know, the position you're in for eight years during that time, how are you able to keep the core nucleus of your closest friends and family to just only focus on what they think of you rather than what the world thinks of you, both at the extreme high, high and others extreme critical?

36:38Like, how did you not own your own hype of half the world or whatever, or most of the world? And then the extreme criticism. Like you can't listen to either. Interesting. And so that's not to say that I didn't look at any press. I, you know, especially when you're campaigning, you can't help but know what things are. But what I learned was that I have to filter it. You know, so the beauty of being in the White House is you have a comms team, a communications team. and I just get to the point would tell me the things that are objectively are things that I need to hear. And I just had to practice and I wasn't always good at it because I'd look through the clips, I'd look at stories every now and then I dig a little too deep, you know, good and bad.

37:25Yeah, feed the ego and then also the criticism. Ah, that doesn't feel good. Exactly. And it's like, well, I can't believe one and not the other. So let me just do the work. So I try to develop a habit of getting my information not firsthand, but thirdhand. So my comms director, tell me in this meeting what I need to know, what I need to be paying attention to. If there's an article or something about the girls or something that I need to know in preparation for this speech, give me that information. So I do what I tell young people. Do not read the comments section. You know, just don't go there.

38:02If you if you're in social media and you're doing this work, Do not let that stuff feed you. You have to be disciplined enough to just put your head down and do the work and let the work speak for you. So I would read things about the work. You know, did the speech work? Is the program working? Is it having impact? But all the other stuff, the op-eds and the commentary, it's like good and bad. I can't take it in because it would cloud the work. That's interesting. And so it's really about, you know, was I effective? You know, and as a coach, you're seeing, were we effective? Maybe it wasn't pretty, maybe it wasn't perfect, but did we accomplish our goal?

38:43Did we win the game? Did we move the initiative forward? And really not looking at the praise or the feedback too strongly as well on either spectrum, which I'm hearing you say is you had to regulate your emotions. And it's something you probably have to do as a coach, as a coach is like, get student athletes or athletes to not react when someone gut punches them under the, you know, it doesn't get called the foul and also not own their own hype too much. Especially in the age of social media, all these guys want to read about themselves. And it was, it was a real challenge to try and get them to stay off their phones and reading because most of the feedback is going to be negative that's just the nature of somebody's going to take time to write it's going to be the criticism yes yes yeah the critiques and i also i gotta ask you off camera that i hear you also played with jordan when he came back yeah i mean i'm happy to tell i mean you share real quick what was so you're so jordan retires so let's play baseball Jordan retired to play baseball, and when he came back, people were hearing he was working out, and he wanted some guys to work out with who could play enough but weren't like gorillas while he was getting in shape.

40:05Tim Grover, who was his workout guy. Yeah, Tim's a buddy of mine. So Tim knows the story because Tim's the one who called up, again, Arnie Duncan, myself, John Rogers, and a couple other guys. And we played two on two or three on three. And then when he got in shape, we played five on five. And then when he was ready, when he got past us, he went to the real dudes to work out with. Summer league. Yeah, because, you know, I think I was in my late 30s probably then. so we could give him a safe game. We knew the game. We knew how to guard him without jumping into his landing spot so he'd get a twisted ankle.

40:45And he was so gracious. That's cool. But he was as tough as he was on the last dance. He didn't want to lose anything. He was trying to beat us every single time. He was the opposite of Brock. Yeah, he wasn't passing the ball. He was working on his game seriously and working on his sort of emotional and mental attitude too. And he has been absolutely gracious every time I run into him. You know, when I was working for the Bucs, I'd run into him, work for the Knicks. I'd run into him to be an all-star. And, hey, Craig, he is just the same person that he is. He has always been the same person. That's cool.

41:31What a cool experience. But, you know, I had played against him in the summer league in Chicago when he first came. So Chicago had one of the best summer league basketball leagues because Chicago was one of the few places where you had pros, college players, and high school players. So when Jordan got drafted by Chicago, we played up at Chicago State University. He'd be college. You guys probably heard about him kind of like growing up and all this stuff. You were in that world. We were in the world. And then he shows up after he gets drafted and he's playing the summer league that I'm playing in.

42:09Wow. That's crazy. It was fantastic. It was just the place was packed. Great time to be in Chicago. Amazing. You guys were living the dream. Yeah. Now, I'm curious about this, Michelle. I'm curious. Did you ever struggle with your mental health while you were in the White House? Did you ever feel like the pressure is too big, the anxiety is too much, or I'm having the weight of it all was too much? Or do you feel like you were pretty steady throughout the whole time? Yeah, I mean, I think we were surprisingly equipped for it. You know, and that's not to say that I didn't have my bad moments. We didn't have our bad days.

42:49We did, you know, but I didn't feel like we can't do this. We'll never make it through this. That's not, first of all, how we were raised, right? I mean, you're in it. We're going to make this. It's going to work. We're going to show up every day. Every day we're going to show up. And you also, I found that it's important for me and Barack to keep our sanity, our even keelness, because we were raising little kids. Gosh, that's got to be so challenging. Like being a parent without the world looking at you constantly and having to make big decisions every day has got to be one of the most challenging things ever, right?

43:32But then doing it and how can you be a great mom, a great wife, a great, you know, leader in the world as well and take care of your health and your mindset? Like how do you do all that at once while raising kids? But it also helps to have them because guess what kids are? They're a big distraction and they're very self-centered. And they're very much about, you know, okay, dad, that's nice about the Middle East, but let me tell you about little Susie from what we did. I mean, they keep you grounded. And because. You got to be in the present. You got to be in the present. That's where they are.

44:06It's like, I don't really know who Putin is, but let me tell you about his journey. Okay. I mean, their worlds are real. And it was Barack, you know, he reveled in that normalcy. Right. Really? Just coming home from a day at the office, you know, and being able to sit down with two chatty little girls and hear about their lives and remind them what's important, right? That helped. So it was a stress, but it was also a very grounding thing. And it probably brought a lot of joy to your life, too. It's like when you're dealing with heavy, stressful things all day long, to have children bring love and joy and play and just wonder.

44:45Yeah. You know, more of like what Craig brings to the world, right? That's right. Just that joy-like curiosity and awe in the moment. One of the best stories about my husband is that he became a coach during his White House years. He coached Sasha's fourth grade basketball league. Really? The Vipers. How'd he do? How was his? He did. I let her finish. Okay, yeah, yeah. So he didn't start out as the coach, but we signed her up for rec basketball. and it's at some local YMCA in Chevy Chase. And of course we're going to the games because it's basketball. Of course, you have to go. And it's a baby.

45:25He's got one that maybe will do it, right? So we're all going to the games. And also on the team was Maisie Biden, Joe Biden, the then vice president's granddaughter, who the Biden girls and our girls grew up together, friends. So imagine that rec league on any given Sunday because we all went, right? President, the vice president, first, second lady. Everyone, yeah. Two details. No, like gate details because all the clubs had details. That's right. They got their own bodyguards also. Ambulance, helicopters, SWAT people all over the gym, right? It's like a little middle school gym. Like, yeah, two rafters, like nothing.

46:04And of course, they're all still young. Basketball, maybe. And I'm just like, Joe, you got to like not yell, you know. Barack, sit down, sit down. But it was a parent-coach league, and the two parents of the Vipers weren't professional coaches, and they really didn't know basketball. And it was very evident by game number two as Barack would just start sliding down to the coach's bench and just say, you know, have her block that one and get them to tie their shoes. So he was sort of side coaching, and at the time his aide was Reggie Love. Reggie Love was a division one. Dude guy? Dude guy. That was his body guy.

46:42So it's he and Reggie. And they come out of the games really critiquing what wasn't going right. They weren't running plays. There were no practices. So they started making the side, giving side advice to these two parent coaches. Oh, my gosh. So how do you, you know, well, what do you do with that? With the president giving you some coaching advice. You're just like, ah. Eventually. Your little whistle as a coach. You know, he starts offering to run practice for the Vipers. So they come to like one of the downtown gyms in the Department of Agriculture or the Interior or whatever. So they take over a gym every week.

47:23They're coaching the Vipers. They teach them two plays. One was box and one was something else. Not the triangle offense. Not the triangle offense. These little girls weren't even tying their shoes. They didn't know the beast. Just tuck your shirt in. So eventually, Barack's on the bench with Reggie, with the parents, and they're running plays. That's incredible. Long and short of it is the Vipers won the championship. Let's go. That's cool. The Vipers won the championship. Well, me and your daughter have something in common. We both played on a team called the Vipers. My arena football team was called the Vipers, so we have something in common there.

47:59That's amazing. So you imagine what, how, you know, what that does to, you know, just alleviate stress that once a week, you're just a parent. And eventually, no matter who they were playing, he was just the Viper's coach. It was good for him. It was good for his relationship with our daughters. It was, it was, it made us focus on something other than the world crises that he was facing. So the girls brought us down, you know, and he went to every parent teacher conference. Really? Every single one, motorcade and all, which embarrassed the hell out of the girls. It's like, dad, the SWAT guys are on the roof.

48:42They've got the machine guns out. And we were just like, just ignore it. This isn't about you. Just ignore it. We were just trying to make them focus on their lives. It's like, this president stuff, this is one thing. Your life is your life. and we are entering into it just like every parent. We're going to go, I'm going to the potluck. I'm going to stand on the soccer field. I'm going to, you know, watch your tennis game. Tennis was a hard sport to watch. So I would stay in the car in the motorcade and kind of look because it's hard to watch high school tennis, which Leah played without showing up with all the agents and stuff.

49:19So that I wouldn't do. But soccer, you could do. Yeah, you can stand back far enough. Stand back far enough. and interact with the parents in a normal way so that people would understand, I'm a mom, you know, and these are my daughters. And you want the best for them. I want the best for them. And we'll have sleepovers at the White House and the girls will come over. So that helped, you know, that's a long way of saying that. Having young kids helped us stay normalized and it helped us with our mental health as a family. That's interesting. Yeah. now how did you i mean you guys grew up with parents that weren't famous that didn't have a lot of money that weren't in the public eye that weren't in you know universities or politics and the world was paying attention to but that wasn't the case for both of you you're both public people in your own way and had a lot of fans and critics and you had more money than your parents more success, more opportunities, all those different things.

50:19How do you raise, both of you, how do you raise healthy, conscious kids to be good, loving, generous when they are given more financially, success opportunities, networking, when they're given more opportunities than what you were given? Yeah, that's a terrific question. And the way we approach it is you all haven't done anything yet. So you can't. This isn't about you. This is not about you yet. You got to earn your keep and you do your chores and you get good grades and you behave. Then you start to get rewarded. Because you don't want to rob the confidence of them making mistakes and building their own thing.

51:07So how do you do that? Well, we're trying to do it like our parents did it. Give them, coach them for confidence and hard work. The results will come. And I always thought that my parents did me such a justice. When I got older, I realized there were a lot of kids who I went to school with, both in high school and in college, whose parents were cracking the whip for them to get good grades. and it prevented them from getting good grades. And my parents always said, look, if you do your best, I trust that you'll get good grades. So don't worry about it. Just do your best. And whenever I didn't do my best and they asked me, I had to say I didn't do my best because it might come back in evidence at the end.

52:02But it was rare because they trained us to just do your best. That's all we want. We don't forget about the grades, do your best. And it was the same in sports, just do your best. And I'm trying to do that with our kids, even though we have more than what we did growing up. What does mean our kids have to have, you know, four times as much as that they would have had. Right. And it's not like, you know, we we would get pizza growing up when we got report cards. That was our reward for good report cards. Italian Fiesta, pizza. Let's go. We do the same with these kids, but we have pizza more often than when we did.

52:46Okay. That's, you know, we go out to dinner more. Yeah, yeah, of course. We go on better vacations. Sure. But when it comes down to just working, just work hard. Work hard and you'll be rewarded. And that's, you know, and it's lovely to see between my two older kids and her two older kids or two kids, they're all adults out on their own in their, you know, in their early 20s and early 30s, not in our basements. Right. So it's, and, and they figured out budgets, they figured out their relationship with money. And that's the one thing that my dad spent a good amount of time with us showing us the value of money.

53:38And, and I think that's important too in this day and age, because we do have more money than I did growing up and helping our kids understand. Like my wife, Kelly, is a, she only buys stuff on sale. So our kids look for things. When they want something, they know it's got to be on sale or they got to spend their own money. Interesting. Yeah. That's cool. I think you've got to know who your kids are, right? And that starts really early. I think all of that work starts way earlier than a lot of parents think because it's about boundaries. Yes. It's about respect. It's about learning, teaching your kids how to hear no.

54:22Not giving them everything. Not giving them everything and being okay with their disappointment. And that starts at three and five. It started way before we entered the White House, even though they were really young. It starts with discipline and not being afraid to discipline your kids, doing it with love, but still doing it and being consistent. So our kids even coming to the White House were already at seven and 10, those kids, right? So then the worry became like, I don't want, and for all of our kids, I don't want you to think that you have to be this, right? Because the pressure can go the other way.

55:02And our kids are Obamas, right? They entered the room with a name and a face that, you know, makes them have to prove something. So I'm for my kids because of who they are, they're already hard workers. They're already good people. They, you know, I hear this everywhere they go. They know how to enter a room and treat people kindly. They're gracious. They've learned how to be diplomats in this process because this whole experience that I was worried about also taught them how to maneuver in the world. So now I worry about them feeling like success has to look like what we did. Getting to the White House or getting to the top.

55:44Yes. Come on, like this is unusual, right? This is not the norm. And did your parenting style shift or evolve pre-White House, during the White House, and post-White House? It evolved not because of where we were, but because of their ages, right? Right. You know, my kids lived in the White House longer than they lived in any house. So they came in at seven and ten and they came out the year that Malia graduated. She graduated from from high school and took a gap year in our last year because she didn't want to go to college as the president's daughter. She didn't want to have a detail. Right.

56:26So she took a gap year for that reason. And Sasha graduated from high school when we were, you know, post White House. So they were different people. So now you move from creating boundaries to being an advisor, right? And slowly letting, giving. For me, I felt like my job is to every year give you more rope. Every year give you more control of your life. every year step back even more to get out of the way. And I wanted to do that before they left my house because I wanted to see what do you do when you have all the rope? And mistakes were made. Wow, I'm sure. Let me tell you. And mistakes were made.

57:11Yeah. But it was better for me to see those mistakes so we could come home and talk about it. We could, you know, we could institute punishments. We could, you know, I didn't want to know that when they were out of the house. And so I gave my kids a lot of their rope with each phase, but that had more to do with who they were and how I wanted them to develop because we also, they weren't going to have secret service their whole lives. So it's like, you got to learn how to drive. Yeah. And you got to learn how to drive with your agents. So we had to switch that around. It's like, you're driving in the car by yourself and your agents are following.

57:49Wow. So now you have to learn how to manage and communicate with a group of grown men on how you're moving in the world because you have to do this. Yes. You know, you have to learn how to get gas. You have to learn how to get on a bus. You have to learn how to get on a plane by yourself. And I can't be there to do that with you because I still have all that. Right. Yes. Right. So it's so the the the changes were really based on the kid, what they needed and the age. And my motto was your life is soon going to be yours. So let's start now. That's beautiful. That's beautiful. I've got about five minutes with you guys left.

58:26They're telling me. So I've got to call. I know. We'll have to do another one in the future. So many more basketball chat. I want to have everything else, you know, but I've got a couple of final questions. So hopefully they'll let me finish these few ones up. But before we ask them, I want people to download you guys' new podcast. IMO. I listened to the first episode where there was just a view to. I thought it was fascinating hearing these stories you guys share. about early childhood, growing up, the lessons you learned, how you were able to instill confidence in each other, support one another, and overcome challenges in the world.

58:57I just think it was really cool. And all the other conversations you're having with people I think is really needed right now. So IMO with Michelle Obama and Craig Robinson, I want people to go download that. They can go to imopod.com. IMO podcasts everywhere on social media and all the good stuff. We'll have it linked up as well. but really inspiring. And I'm glad you guys are doing this. So congrats on the show. It's really cool. This is one more question I have for you. Then I have a couple for both of you to wrap it up. I'm curious about your confidence pre White House, during White House, and then in the last decade since you've been in the White House.

59:39And I love your reflection on this as a brother and what you've witnessed. Do you feel like you're more confident now in the last 10 years, the eight years in office or the kind of four to eight years before leading into the office? Easy answer now. Really? I think I'm my most confident now, I think. And by confidence, I mean, I feel like I can claim my wisdom. And I've said this before. I think maybe it's a little bit different for women. Maybe I can only speak as a woman because I'm a woman. But I feel like throughout my life, you know, like a lot of women, I was reticent to claim what I knew.

1:00:30And I was always sort of, well, maybe I don't know what I'm talking about. Maybe I won't speak up or, yeah, maybe this idea seems that way. Maybe, you know, what I'm saying to these guys in the West Wing doesn't make any sense. You know, while I was doing my thing and having my own proofs, it still took until now for me to kind of go look over all this life and say, I kind of know a few things. I think I can now sit in my wisdom at 61. And I think a lot of that has to do with the fact that I am, I'm of course still a wife, but I'm not the first lady of the nation. I'm not the primary parent of Malia and Sasha.

1:01:22They are adults out there on their own. This is the first time in my life when every decision, good or bad, is mine to own. Interesting. Um, and I feel good about owning it. I'm still working on it though. Cause there's still guilt. There's still a sense of obligation. There's a still a sense. There is still always the sense of, am I good enough? Really? Because while the confidence, I think it's, I think it's there in so many of us. Like that's what I've come to. Well, you think, am I good enough? You've created and accomplished so much, not only professionally, but personally. So at 61, you're still feeling that?

1:01:57But is it enough? And that's the work that I'm doing. Like if it's not enough now, I'm telling myself and my therapist, then it won't be enough. So now I have to determine for myself, because this is all an internal conversation, that I'm good, right? I'm just now really, I just really now have the time to do that work. Interesting. Right? Because when you're climbing, slaying the dragons, you're just feeling the feelings. You don't have time to assess it, right? Right. Raising kids, getting through hard times, writing books, doing book tours, you know, working on the library with my husband, blah, blah, blah.

1:02:38But the decade that I was talking about that just went by just like a flash. When was there time to reflect and work on that stuff? Do the healing work. To do the healing work, because after all that work, there still is healing from it. That was, you know, that was a mighty experience that we had. Right. Yeah, it's a lot to unpack. And so in these last years, I've been unpacking it. And I'm becoming better with my choices, feeling the most confident in myself and the most settled in that question of am I good enough? And I'm finally starting to answer it. Yeah, I think I'm there. I think I'm there.

1:03:24That's beautiful. I feel like this is, we're just getting started, but unfortunately I'm going to have to wrap this up. So I want to ask you guys both a final question. And that is, what is your definition of greatness? And I'll start with you, Craig, your definition of greatness.

1:03:44I think greatness is the ability to both have an impact on your own life and on other people's lives. I think if you can find a way to develop yourself and coach yourself up, you can inspire and develop and coach up others. And that's kind of what sort of my life's work has been. Even before I was coaching, as a player, as an executive, as a corporate worker, I always felt like we didn't inspire each other enough. Everybody was sort of an independent contractor. And if we could all be team players, we'd be in a better position. That's cool. That's cool. I love that. I think mine is similar because we were raised in similar places.

1:04:45Greatness is giving more than you get, you know, because what's it all for? You know, greatness, I think greatness, greater good. You know, we should be all, we all should be working for our greatness to affect the greater good. And then we all experience that greatness. because greatness as an individual feat, I mean, yeah, I guess, right? I mean, you can sit in your own greatness and have all the stuff and be really alone. But the bigger greatness is putting that energy out. Yeah. Amen. Thank you both for being here. Thanks for having us, man. Appreciate it, Michelle. Thank you so much. 12 years.

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1:06:53And I wanna remind you, if no one has told you lately, that you are loved, you are worthy, and you matter. And now it's time to go out there and do something great.