Rhonda Byrne: The Real Truth About Money, Manifestation & The Law of Attraction

30:26So it's like there's this dear friend of mine in Australia and she comes from a wealthy family. and she's a very sweet girl and I became very close friends with her. Do you know the words that would come out of her mouth every day, all the time, I am so blessed. I am so blessed in my life, Rhonda. I'm so blessed. That's what she would say every day, every day. And do you know what? Oh, my gosh. She was just blessed even more, blessed even more, blessed even more. I mean that is the same kind of thing it's like a command yes it is a command it's like you speak a command in your life and if you're speaking a negative command you're going to confirm and receive that negative command in little or bigger ways unfortunately and you know the more you speak a command of what you want the more likely you're going to create it and our you know I've heard a Navy SEAL say that our tongue is like a rudder.

31:35It's like whatever you speak, it's like directing you on the path. You're like a boat and your tongue is a rudder and it's guiding you where you want to go. So we have to be very intentional, like you talk about in your book, about being grateful for the money you're receiving and not being, and I'll catch myself sometimes. It's not like I'm perfect at this. I have to catch myself sometimes where I'm frustrated about it not being a certain amount that I thought I was supposed to get or whatever it might be. And be grateful for this because if i'm going to be frustrated about a certain amount of money coming to me it's going to stop coming to me more it's going to be like why would money want to come to me if i'm speaking badly about it yeah you're going to be frustrated again like something else is going to happen like you're that frustration will attract more frustration around money and more frustration around money so and it and it's fast you know it manifests quite fast because that emotion is fairly strong.

32:31So yeah. And I love that you're kind of talking about throughout your book, you have these kind of moments to tell, to remind us of things. And you say, be grateful when you receive money. But you also said earlier, which I'm not even sure you're aware of, you said, be grateful for all the money you've received in the past. And you also have here, be grateful for the money you want as though you've already received it. So it's almost like a trilogy. It's like, be grateful when the money comes in now, whether it's a penny you see on the street or a thousand dollars or ten thousand dollars it's like be grateful now now as if you're receiving it like you just have but also be grateful for what you got yesterday when you were younger last year appreciate that and i love that you talk about being grateful for the money you're going to receive in the future yeah it's coming my way it's being present in the now thanking the past of what's come to you and thanking the future for the money coming to you right i love those three things like be grateful it's actually an easy practice and it's one that's a little easier maybe for people who haven't felt abundance is to be grateful for something before you've received it because that you're basically telling the universe that i have it i mean i use it for everything for absolutely everything like last night i went to sleep you know thank you for the great time i'm going to have with lewis tomorrow you know and thank you you know it was just I just had the best best time with Lewis and so I do it all of the time as though I've already had it I've already lived it and I'm thanking for it and it's just I don't know gratitude is just incredible there I think there are like three gratitude practices in there I think you're right in saying that and um and they're essential they're essential and all of these things are free you know they're like it's it's just all you're doing is you're exchanging these thoughts for these thoughts but when you do that your life will completely change and on top of that you're going to be happy that's the key you're going to be happy you know you're not and the world will look different to you because when you're happy you only come across happy people you'll be like these people are so nice and they were so helpful to me and just every little detail in your life changes on the road people let you in you know go ahead go in you know go ahead of me i mean it's a completely different thing like if i'm driving and somebody and somebody in australia we say toot the horn what do you say here honk the horn right and somebody honks straight away i know i'm like what are you thinking where are you you know lift your frequency up be grateful yeah i use everything.

35:15I use absolutely everything that's happening around me for me to know how I'm doing and where I am. And one of these daily wealth attracting habits that you have in here is about creating your wish list. And you say, and there's a quote in here from another author, it says, if you wish to eliminate lack, concentrate on abundance. Why should we create a wish list that this is what we would want it to buy if money were no object. Like if we were like, oh, I have all the money in the world or I could buy anything I want. These would be those things. Why is that an important habit to practice? Because they'll manifest.

35:59Really? Yeah, they'll manifest. And all of the really incredible entrepreneurs and really great business people, they have a one-year plan, they have a five-year plan, they have a three-year plan, and they write out things that would seem impossible, you know, to achieve and they achieve them. It's so powerful to write down where you want to be and where you're going. And you know what? It's nothing to it. Like, and in this case, it is writing down the things that you want. It's no big deal. Just pretend, you know, just pretend. If money were no object, what would I do? You know, it's a real fun game.

36:36And then you write it down and then that's that. But then you watch. you know so yeah it's interesting you say that because someone on our team uh sammy she's got a screensaver on her phone with her vision board that she created at the end of last year so 10 11 months ago right and she was saying i think this monday on her team call she was like i have accomplished everything on my vision board except for one thing these were all like dreams yeah they were like, maybe it'll happen. I don't know. But it was just like, it was a dream of what to do. She's like, I want to travel to France. I want to do this.

37:14I want to be here. And all these things have happened this year. And she's like, I've almost accomplished everything on my vision board. And I want to go back and tell her, did you have big enough dreams? You know, it's like, think even bigger of what you wanted. Totally. Because you didn't know if you'd be able to accomplish these things. Yeah. Imagine if you created a wishlist of what you wanted. Yeah. That was even beyond that. Go big. Go bigger. Think big. Go big. Think big. Yes. You know, what have you got to lose? Think big. Go on. You know, and you can put lots of small things, you know, there too.

37:47You know, I want a new pair of Nikes or I want this or, you know, small things. But, yeah, think big things. Because one of the tricky things I think with people is they haven't ever stopped to think about what they want because they think they can't have it. and so to think about what they want is too painful you know so they don't they don't do a list that's the last thing they want to do because it seems so far away it seems so far away and impossible and it's just going to make me feel bad that i can never have it because i was born here you know i don't get those lucky breaks like the person over here that's really lucky right right and uh yeah so i that's why it's so great to write a list because for many people who who follow this i bet they've never written a list before of what they want no limits yeah a friend and mentor of mine who told me you know he grew up without a lot of money he lived in southern california but he was probably two hours away from the ocean but he always dreamed of like having a house by the beach in the ocean and he's like when i was in my 20s i would just visit the ocean and look at the houses then when i started to make a little money i still so far away from affording it but I was like, what if I just rent the house for a day to experience what it's like being in that kind of property, looking out on the beach.

39:05And I think the closer we can get to dreaming it by writing it down and making a wishlist and then getting closer to the experience, even if you just touch it, touch the car you wanna buy, touch the house that you wanna live into or rent the house for a night. You know, you can't buy the whole thing but it's like rent something like it and see what that experience feels like for a day, for an hour, for a moment. You can go on Sunset Boulevard and rent a Ferrari for 30 minutes if you want to, you know, for a hundred bucks. Experience the feeling, right? Get around the feeling. So good. And you have a whole chapter in here about wealth affirmations.

39:43And one of them is money flows to me effortlessly and easily. And I have more money coming in than going out. What's another wealth affirmation that you really use or you like people using as well? That I use, I use quite a lot. I love I Am Wealth, just that really short I Am Wealth. Money comes to me effortlessly and easily is something that I say all of the time. Yeah, yeah. Because just, you know, just so it flows. And one of the things about more money coming in than going out is that most people have more money going out than coming in. You know, if you're in debt, if you've got credit card debt, if you are really struggling with money, if you are living paycheck to paycheck and all of those things, I want everybody to know, I lived all of those things.

40:44I was there. If you're there, I was there. I know what it feels like. and so if you're experiencing all of that you can change all of that you really can and I'm not saying pardon me I'm not saying to go and get go out and get three jobs and you know work 24 hours a day I'm not saying that at all do what you love to do most certainly because what you love do doing what you love to do you'll be successful at it because if you love it love is just like the highest attractor that there is. So if you love it, you're going to be successful at it. And as long as fear doesn't come in, or I hope this lasts, this is too good to be true.

41:28Fear comes in, oh, it's not as good as it was last year, or all of those kinds of doubtful thoughts. So you've got to stay on top of it. You've got to notice those thoughts and jump on them right away. You would think that people would realize this sooner, that having love in your heart, being positive, being kind, grateful, and generous, and expressing that energy to everyone and everything around you is an attractor for opportunities. Not just around money, but creating beautiful relationships, having beautiful experiences in life. But when we think negative thoughts, when we have a negative attitude, when we have hate in our heart versus love, that energy is going to radiate and it's just not going to create beautiful opportunities for us.

42:21It is so clear. And I used to have a lot of negative thinking, but it is so clear for me that how I show up in the world with a positive attitude, a positive loving heart, gratitude, and generosity only creates more of that in my life. And if I think negatively, if I think about gossip or I'm judging people, it's going to make me feel less than. Yeah, for sure. And it's going to block my abundance. It will. But why is it, if people know this, and hopefully they know it, why is it so hard to do it consistently? Because I think you have to be very determined and you have to be diligent about your mind.

43:01And we're all in the same boat. Nobody has a free pass on this. You know, we all have really the same kind of mind, the same kind of thoughts coming up. It's just slightly different things in the subconscious. But we are all carrying a lot of world beliefs. You know, most of the beliefs are world beliefs. So you just need to, you really need to watch your mind and become the witness. And even if you start to somebody's talking to you and it's about some kind of gossip and you ride into it and then you're like, whoa, what am I doing? What am I doing? You can backtrack. Just go back. Just step back and say, you know what?

43:46You know what? We don't know the full story. We're not in their shoes. Let's just bless them and get on with our life kind of thing. and just be more like that. I mean, judgment is the undoing of so many people's lives, really and truly. Judgment is the undoing. Oh, the undoing. What does that mean? It means that people are judging all day long, and that is one of the most negative ways of thinking, is to judge others. Why is judgment one of the most negative ways of thinking? Because there's only one being. even though it seems like there's a lot, it seems like there's 8 billion or however many billion, it seems like there's all these different people in terms of the law, there's only one.

44:37And so when you are critical of another, you're actually being critical of yourself. The law is hearing. It's all about you. So when you're kind, you see, and when you're generous and when you're grateful, all of that, even though you're giving it out so sincerely to somebody else, actually the law is just all for you. It's all coming back to you, to you, to its source. When you hate, when you criticize, when you complain, when you blame, when you judge, it's all coming back to you. And it is not pretty what can happen. You know, on those frequencies, it just isn't pretty. So we've got to be diligent, you know.

45:18We've got to watch our mind and we have to pick ourselves up and I've done it, you know, I've done it. Like I watch my mind and even sometimes I would, I'd realise a couple of days later that I'd done something. I'm like, oh, no, oh, no. So do you know what I'd do? I would go back in my mind to that situation, I would replay it in my mind and I would not do what I did. Oh, interesting. I would take the positive path and I would replay that. and so I would cancel it out. Some people watching or listening right now, but I'd be like, man, you're a great time traveler. You know, it's like you're this spiritual, emotional time traveler, and they might think that sounds a little weird, but I've done a lot of that in my life where I've had to heal memories and wounds of the past that had blocked me, that it made me feel frustrated or resentful or holding onto grudges, and I've had to go back in time in my mind and almost relive those moments as an adult and as the version of myself at those time periods and kind of create a new harmony with myself, like a healing process that allows me to feel at peace internally.

46:33And if I was listening to this when I was like 16, I'd be like, who is this Lewis and Rhonda person? These guys are like weird, right? I'd have been like, that just sounds like a little strange. But I will take strange all day if it gives me peace. Yeah, exactly. And I think that practice was a practice of Neville Goddard's, one of the new thought leaders, and he called it the pruning shears of revision. And what does that look like? And that's when you go back and you relive it in the way that you wanted it to be. You just go back. But you see, for the law, there's only now, right? And so you go back in your mind and you relive it and you correct, you make it go a different way.

47:15And I would do that until I didn't feel any bad feeling inside anymore. And then I'd know that I'd done it. Yeah. You're talking about on page 150, you say the laws of nature and the spiritual laws all operate in the present moment now, which you just said right there. Yeah. And I wanted to ask you, how does our environment, our community, or even the energy of others influence what we attract? um only if we they influence us only if we buy into it really right so um if we if we buy into oh some negative situation like we've really got to be very very picky about what we let into our life and the kinds of people that we have around us and whether we want to listen to the news and whether we want to, you know, all of those things.

48:11Like we have to be picky about it. And if you can listen to something and not have any emotional charge around it, you're good. You're good. Yes. But if you have an emotional charge, it's going in. Yeah, you have to keep a neutral energy. Exactly. When you receive information. Yep. Which is really hard to do if you're empathetic or compassionate and you really care deeply. Yeah. And you see trauma or pain or suffering or murder or wars and you feel the pain. And I'm not saying you should not have compassion for what's happening in the world, but I don't think we should be entertained by the news and allowing it to affect us that much where it holds us back every day after every day thinking the world is horrible and what's the point of all this?

49:01And you're just like in doomsday all day. Yeah, that's right. Right, and it's not like that at all. The world is not like that. News is focused on the hotspots. Yeah. You know, I worked in news. I know. It's focused on the hotspots and, you know, we would, with a camera, you know, if there was a fire, we would look for the biggest, like, flames. Yeah, yeah. Even though across the street was totally good, you know. We'd be looking for the really big stuff, the dramatic stuff. Oh, yeah, it's like a little bird's eye view of what is really, really bad. And so they are the hotspots. And on the rest of the planet, my God, it's so beautiful.

49:37It's beautiful, absolutely beautiful. And there are way more, way more really wonderful, wonderful people who are kind and who have a big heart than there are people that are not. You know, the world is full of really beautiful people. Yes. Yeah. And so the news doesn't make us feel like that. And it's exactly what, you know, oh, my God, the world's, you know, the world has just had it. I have friends who the first thing they'll say to me is, how do you feel about the world and everything that's going on in the world? And I'll be like, it's all on track and unfolding exactly as it should be. It's all fine.

50:23It's all fine. It's a really good outcome to this. Really good. For everyone. Yeah. For everyone who's ever lived and who's living and who will ever live. It's a really good outcome. It's all cool. Yeah. Speaking of people who have lived and who are no longer with us, does the law of attraction still apply after death? It applies at death. And do you believe our energy continues after we die in creating beyond the physical world? um certainly law of attraction plays a part in death but after that uh after and and the frequency we go out on is the frequency we come back in that interesting yeah so it makes a big difference what you do in this life yeah you know don't waste it like really and uh but the in between part is and and for some that in between part is nothing it's like a day an hour it's nothing you know it depends how attached you are to the world if you really attach the world you'd be bouncing back really fast because that attachment will bring you back so law of attraction is definitely on the way on on the way out um in terms of creating your life but then your frequency and what and how conscious you are when you go out is the consciousness that you have when you come back in therefore it would be the kind of country you come back into or the kind of parents you have or yeah got it what would you say is the difference with between wanting more money and being aligned to money oh well being aligned to wanting more money is you don't have it right and being aligned with it sort of suggests you've got it.

52:18So I think being aligned is better. Yeah. How do we start to align ourselves to money in another way that we haven't talked about yet? Is there any other way that we should be thinking about this? One of the things, one of my favorite practices in that book, and it's probably one of the simplest, but also one of the hardest because it requires you to be very mindful. And so it's turning outgoing money into incoming money. How do we do that? And so you do it by every time that money goes out in your mind, you pretend, you make believe that that money, that you're receiving that money. It's like a check or someone's handing you money.

53:11Yeah. So I've got to write a check for a few hundred dollars or a few thousand dollars and you write that check for a bill or you but then you imagine that you're receiving it as you give it you're like imagining you're receiving it what happens when we make that imagination when we spend money we're receiving it because then your money's going to increase dramatically yeah yeah so take you really big amounts that you pay out for like rent you know of a studio and yeah that kind of thing and when you give it out as you give it out just imagine that you're receiving it and be grateful thank you thank you for this money and i'm talking about when you get your coffee when you fill up with gas when you go to the supermarket in your whole day every time you hand your credit card over every time you pay up money imagine that you are receiving that money instead the difference like you do that one thing one thing alone because why because most people when they're paying out money they feel bad right they're like like what like i'm losing this money yeah i'm now i'm not going to have how am i going to have enough for to pay the rent or you know when they go to an atm and they look at their balance and they're like oh how am i going to have enough to do this or enough to do that.

54:33So when you do this practice, it's actually making you think about receiving money and being grateful to receive money. And you at the same time, taking out all of those negative feelings about lack, that is a big attractor. So it's good. Yeah, because when you feel bad, I mean, I guess a lot of people have a trigger when they spend money, it makes them feel good for a moment, right? It's like I'm buying this thing to feel good. Yeah. Because I'm lacking the feeling good already so this thing's going to make me feel better but then like oh i don't want to look at my bank account because i realize how much money i'm losing that i don't have in there anymore so i'm either afraid of that looking at it or i feel bad later that i spent that money so then i go spend a little bit more to feel good on something else to get that feeling again right yeah i've had that for for sure before and and vacations oh yeah right a lot of people will they'll go on vacation and it'll be like they're putting the vac half the vacation or all the vacation on the credit card they don't even want to think about it you know are they going on a trip a world trip or whatever and you know the credit cards here there and everywhere and they come back to all this debt all of this debt so so if you go and buy something to feel good in the moment but then you put yourself in debt and then you feel shameful later you feel guilt what what happens with that transfer of energy more money is taken really from you yeah you go into more and more debt it is because you because you're in lack because you're focused on lack so we attract whatever we're thinking so if it's like we attract more lack and that can look like things breaking down the bill being way bigger than you thought three times bigger you know that this that you need all the time your insurance has gotten like doubled you know this has happened the health care has gone like all of those things it there are so many areas of lack that you can bring into your life and the thing is when you focused on those things you're inviting that that's what you're doing you're inviting it into your life we don't realize you know that's that's inviting The universe is like, I'm going to give you whatever you want, whatever you want.

56:58You just think it and I'm going to give it to you. And I'm not going to make any judgment about whether you want it or not. I'm just going to give it because that's how special you are. So if you're thinking frustration or lack, it's going to give you more of that. More lack. I was talking to someone that I know recently who said their rent went up like$500 a month. and they were looking to use that money to go, you know, get a lease on a new car that would have been 500 bucks a month, but then they decided not to because it's going towards the rent. Let's say someone watching or listening has a bill that increases recently.

57:36How can they reframe in their minds about the increase of payment that they have to pay now or they get to pay now in order to make it a positive spin rather than, oh my gosh, I'm already struggling financially. Now I've got to pay more for the phone bill, more for the electricity, more for the home insurance, whatever it is. How do we reframe that and say, you know, so it's a positive reframe? I would, and I did this practice, I did this practice. I would, as I paid it out, I would, first of all, pretend I'm not paying a bill, but I'm donating. I'm donating this money because I love this organization.

58:18this organization gives fantastic service and I'm donating it and by donating this money what is going to happen I'm going to help to put food on the table of all the employees including all those truck drivers I'm going to help to pay for the children's you know school school books and things like that I'm going to help to pay for their mortgages so they've got safety and security in their home and you know writing in in donating this money I'm even helping them you know go on vacation all of the people that work for this organization I feel really good about that and really really feel it I used to do it and I used to just feel so teary because I would think about and that is you know your money is going into their salaries like it's not a wild claim it is doing all of that like with a company or everything they receive is going, yes, they have profits, but they're paying all their employees.

59:20And their employees use that money to put food on the table, to look after their children, to pay for that medical thing or whatever. Feel the good that you're doing. And I would always, always, always, I'm donating this money. I love that reframe because it's reclaiming your power of your energy rather than it being, frustrated have to keep spending this every month or it just went up. It's shifting your energy from frustration to empowerment. Exactly. And when you shift your energy from frustration to empowerment, people feel that energy when you're around them. You have a better attitude, you have better energy, and then it brings better opportunities or better engagements with the people around you.

1:00:05you're impacting people in a more positive way and so you may not have money coming to you right away that way but you're going to feel happier and i think that's what this is all about is feeling better feeling happier so you can attract what you want yeah it is it's you know ultimately like pardon me ultimately all we want to do is feel happy yes that's it you know we don't we we think that if we have all of these things then i'm going to be happy and you know a lot of people have told us that when they got all of those things they're in real trouble yeah why why is that they're in real trouble because they weren't happy and this doesn't make them and they thought that dream they had that dream all their life and they're like once i have that once i get there then i'm going to be happy and then they got the success or whatever and they got there and they're not happy now you're really and now they're empty because they're like yeah exactly Now you're really screwed.

1:01:02Totally. Because where do I go now? I don't have a dream anymore. And, yeah, I know a few people that that has happened to and they've got really depressed and, yeah, and they've had everything that they always thought was going to make them happy. So happiness is really all that we want in the end. It is. Yeah, we only want those things because we think we'll be happy having those things. It truly is a, you know, there's, there is something for, you know, gratitude, prayer before a moment, setting an intention before a meal and saying, thank you for this food. Thank you for the people that prepared this.

1:01:40Thank you for the people that, thank you for the money that allowed me to buy this. Thinking of the process of you receiving food and thanking it, thanking the animals, thanking the plants, whatever it might be, being grateful for it. There's a process of appreciating that brings you more joy. When we are grateful, when we're appreciative, it brings us more happiness and joy and peace. And that unlocks opportunities. Oh, it does. Yeah. It's just your whole world will change, you know. And even if you're starting out with this and you start to have these positive thoughts and then you think, you know, you're like, I feel like I'm lying.

1:02:21like I don't really feel all these things don't you worry you just keep going you just keep saying all those positive things because it will not be long before you're feeling them so just keep at it keep doing it keep looking for the positive and then you're going to feel it then you will feel it and I know and I'm as you're saying that I'm reflecting back when I was like 24 25 sleeping on my sister's couch broke had no money three credit card uh living off three credit cards, student loan debt, and relying on my sister to feed me every day, it doesn't feel good. It doesn't feel good when you can't provide for yourself, when you can't take care of others.

1:02:58It doesn't feel good. So I remember this season of life vividly. And I remember probably six or seven months where I was feeling very low. I was believing the situation I was in. I was confirming it over and over again. I was frustrated and I was playing the victim role of look what happened in my life. And I was living in that. Yeah, no. And then it gets worse. But I remember I said, I have a decision to make. I can stay in this and stay on my sister's couch and stay stuck in credit card debt. And there is some validation that comes with playing that role. Some people will come and say, yeah, your life is hard or here's a little money.

1:03:38You'll get some sympathy or attention for playing that role. There's some benefit to staying there, right? Some people feel good in that role. They feel good in it. I didn't feel good. It didn't feel good to me. I remember just feeling like, how am I going to live my life? And how am I going to get a girlfriend or anything? I was like, how am I going to, I can't provide for myself. Do I want to live on my sister's couch forever? I want to feel like I'm a grown man that can take care of myself. But I couldn't. And I just remember said, I'm going to do whatever it takes to shift my energy on a daily basis.

1:04:07And I'm going to be grateful for what I have. Instead of complaining, I'm going to be grateful for my sister. Grateful that I have a couch to sleep on. Grateful that she's giving me food that I can have right now. And appreciate it. Anytime I get a chance to meet a potential mentor, I'm going to be very curious and attentive and thanking them for their time, appreciating it. The more I appreciated other things and people and environments, the more I appreciated and value with those people. And they wanted to support me more. And more opportunities came to me. So I just really believe, I want to focus on this so much, that gratitude, appreciation, feeling good, even when you don't feel good, is part of the process to creating more of what you want.

1:04:51Yes. And you're not going to, you know, if you're on a lower frequency, if you're really down in the dumps and you're on a low frequency, when you start to be grateful for things, you are not going to feel it because you're on that low frequency. but every single thing that you do is going to every thought you have, every grateful thought will lift you a little bit higher, a little bit higher, a little bit higher. And you know what you're going to do? And it's really fast. It's not that it's going to take you months, not at all. It's really fast. Like I would defy anybody to do gratitude in the morning and you just watch what happens in the afternoon of that day.

1:05:29You know, you be really grateful to the point where, I mean, I used to have tears in my eyes. I was that grateful. Really? That was my thing that I would, before I got out of bed, I would go through all of the things that I'm grateful for and I would do it until I had tears in my eyes because then I knew that my heart had melted. And you really, really do it until you feel it, until you really feel it, and then you watch what happens. You can change a whole day. you can change change everything and that is just from a tiny little thing you know so like when you're getting ready is maybe a good idea and it's it's often a good idea to tie it into one of your daily tasks like when i get dressed or when i have a shower or when i'm cleaning my teeth something that you're doing every single day this is when i do this because the subconscious mind will take that this is a habit you do it for like three or so days and the subconscious mind will then kick in and remind you and give you the thought you've got to be grateful and you remember when i'm cleaning my teeth i'm being grateful for this and this and this and so if you tie it in for a start you're thinking thoughts of gratitude and you're stopping negative thinking like that's one of the things i think in listening to the wealth affirmations that as when people get into bed at night and they're falling asleep, that is one time when they are thinking about all the things that went wrong that day and how they should have handled this better, that better, that went wrong, that didn't happen the way that I wanted it to happen and, you know, how on earth am I going to, you know, get more money or whatever or then they're dreading tomorrow.

1:07:15So they're going to bed with all of these thoughts of kind of regurgitating regurgitating everything that happened in that day and then projecting that into the next day. But when you're listening to these affirmations and you are listening, right, you've got to listen because that gives the mind something to do, you're going to wake up happy. And the reason you're going to wake up happy is because you didn't think any negative thoughts as you went to sleep. It's true. Yeah. That's true. I mean, you say in the book that gratitude multiplies money. And we're talking about joy, happiness, gratitude.

1:07:53These are all free things. Free, yeah. It doesn't cost money. You don't have to go buy something to develop a tool or get some new skill set that takes a ton of time and energy. This is literally in a shift in a second and repeating that shift throughout your day, weeks, and years. And that energy will expand. There's another part of the book where you say, your wish is my command. what is this process of asking and receiving and you call it your wish is my command okay because i i use an example of aladdin and the genie yeah and um you got this in the book yeah with a little lamp and money coming out of it which i like yeah and in aladdin and the jamie and genie in the current story is he gets three wishes but the original story was unlimited wishes because this was a story that was created to show how life works.

1:08:48Yeah. And so if you think of universal law or whatever you want to call it, the law that governs our mind, when you think of that law, that law is governing your mind at all times. And it is operating only on one thing, your thought. Like it is sometimes called, like in the East, it's called the law of karma. So it is operating only on your thought. That is it. And so whatever you think, the law says your wish is my command. I don't want to go there. I don't want to do that. My boss is really mean to me. He's never kind. He's just every time I go to that supermarket, it costs me way more than I ever want.

1:09:32Fuel's gone up again. I can't believe it. I'm taking all that back, universe. I'm very grateful for the fuel. I'm grateful for the supermarket. I'm grateful for all of those things. But you're saying those things. Every single thought you say, your wish is my command. Your wish is my command. You just asked for it. You just commanded it. You're just getting it. And are you saying it to yourself then? Are you saying if you're asking for it, do you also reply to yourself? Yeah. Your wish is my command? I know that the law is responding with your wish is my command. Got it. Got it. Yeah. So that's for all of us.

1:10:10Every single thought. You know, so every thought. That's why when you're grateful, when you're grateful for something and the universe says your wish is my command because whatever you are grateful for, you're going to get more of. It is going to multiply. I believe that. Yeah. And so when you're kind, your wish is my command. You know, when you say something kind, when you're nice to somebody, when you help them out or, you know, you just do something. Like it makes you feel so good, you know, to just do, especially to do something for strangers, like there's that in the book too. I mean, it just makes you feel really, really good and brings you out of your head and all of those thoughts and everything and just brings you into your heart.

1:10:58And, you know, if we were more in our heart rather than in our head, you know, it would be a really different world. What has been the biggest struggle you've faced over the last 20 years with all the success that has come into your life? Because it sounds like before The Secret, you weren't as prepared to receive a lot as you are now. Because you were struggling. You were getting some wins here and you were growing, but then you were struggling financially. And it was work. It was like a struggle, it sounded like. Like you were able to figure out life in certain ways and accomplish certain goals, but it wasn't like this freedom.

1:11:37What has been the biggest challenge in the last 20 years of having the success that you have through The Secret and the platform you've built that you've had to overcome? Wow. I can think of so many before The Secret, but not as many after The Secret. Because a lot of people think about the weight of gold, the pressure of success, the attention, the awareness about you, that people are coming after you or now this or whatever's happening. Oh, okay. Did you have to? Yeah, I had to modify things when the Seger was first released. Really? Because I would get stopped in the street. But all of that was really beautiful because it wasn't like I was any celebrity.

1:12:21people were like my mother gave it to me and they were all it was so beautiful telling me everything that had happened in their lives um but you know if i went out to a restaurant you know i'd have a lot of people coming up to me and everything and did you ever sabotage or like say wow this is way too much like did you ever think this is way beyond my wildest wishes like it's so much abundance maybe i should not have as much or did you ever have a like a thought that brought you back or that held you back in any way. No, not like, no. That's good. Not like, oh, this is too much. Like I don't deserve it or something like that.

1:13:00I mean, I just responded by, I moved. I was living in, at that time I was living in Santa Monica and I moved out, which is really what I wanted to do, like be more peaceful in a more spiritual place. So I did that and I didn't really want to change things. I mean, there have been, you know, actually, no, I think, you know, I think about my mother past and, you know, that's like, that's an incredible story because my mother, my father died really suddenly. So it was 2004, toward the end of 2004, that I discovered the secret. But my father dying on the 1st of March was the downhill for me. Really?

1:13:50Oh, whoa. What year is this? This was 2004. And I just, that was the first thing that happened. And then, oh, my gosh, it was just one thing after another. Really? I was making all these movies for television and they were about murder, the worst possible subject. And so I was, my health, everything, my friends, everything. I kind of lost almost everything. And that was how I, like, collapsed in despair. And that's the night that I discovered the secret. But my father had died on the 1st of March. And so my mother that night, she called me. My accountant called and said, you're$2 million and you're going to be, and you're going to lose everything in 30 days, is what he said to me.

1:14:41It was the first phone call. I hung up the phone. I think it was a hard line then. I hung up the phone and straightaway it rang and I thought it was him again and I said hi and it was my mother who I could not recognise because she was so distraught with grief. And she's really tough but she was done. She was done. She was really young. So anyway, I kind of got her as good as I could. I told her I'd be, she was a long way away. So I told her I'd go and see her the next day and I hung up the phone and honestly I just collapsed in despair because I've always like fixed everything. All my life I fixed everything.

1:15:22I was the oldest child and I was just like I'm responsible, you know. I've got to fix it. I'll fix it. You know, I'll sort it. I could not fix this. Like these two things that happened, I was, there was no way. Like I couldn't, and I just, I really just collapsed in absolute despair. And yeah, and that's when my daughter handed me the science of getting rich by Wallace Wattles on photograph paper all screwed up and I, you know, 90 minutes, my life changed. Really? Changed totally. Absolutely. I knew everything when I read that book. I honestly, I knew we didn't die. I knew everything and it's not in the book.

1:16:04It's not in the book, but I knew it. Like I was just like this massive kind of download. But what I wanted to say was I went to my mother and so I realised all of these things, but what I gave to her was gratitude because he had one whole chapter of gratitude in his book. Really? Yeah. And so I went to her and I gave her gratitude and I said, Mum, this is what you need to do. oh my gosh, you should have seen what happened to her life. And she only used gratitude. Really? Yeah. She just, like, she was really struggling for money. Money just came from everywhere. She was saying all these marks on my body are just disappearing.

1:16:46You know, I've had all these things for my life and they're all just gone. And she was so happy. She travelled the world. She did all these, you know, incredible things and she did it all from gratitude. Yeah. So, but, you know, I was thinking about, well, what about, you know, when my mother passed? But even then, you know, I always imagined, I always thought, how am I ever going to be on the planet without my mom? Really? You know, she was just like, you know, best friend. and I'm sure a lot of people feel the same way. What I can say is make the most of every minute. But do you know what? I did.

1:17:29Really? I told my mother because after I discovered the secret, I used every moment. I would recollect things in my childhood and tell her how much it meant to me, what she did and how incredible she was on our vacations and thanked her for everything she did because those vacations were incredible. I just one thing after another after another. So when she passed, there was nothing unsaid. That's good. You know, that's a big deal. And I knew she didn't die, you know, so, and she knew she didn't die, which was really great. She was not afraid. God, my mother, she just went out of here in grace, absolute grace.

1:18:15Wow. Yeah, she was incredible, yeah. That's beautiful. Wow. I have a lot of peace in my heart right now just listening to you and hear this whole process because I think a lot of people are struggling and suffering in the world right now. And it sounds like you were going through a really struggle, suffering moments. You had a lot of things that were kind of knocking you down before you had this big breakthrough, before you had this download, this awakening, this knowing around the secret and what it would create for you and create for others. do you believe that suffering plays a big part in people's lives around what they need to learn to create more abundance and freedom what's your thoughts around suffering it's funny isn't it because um you know i hit rock bottom and when we were making the secret film and i was reaching out to all of these incredible teachers that i'd read all of their books and everything they were like heroes to me they wanted to know before they agreed to do the documentary what was my story and so my sister who was handling that part of the production would tell them exactly what happened and they would say i'll do it because because i hit despair like that like do you know they were like sleeping in phone booths they were homeless they were they had nothing all of these teachers they were all abundant and um and so they knew that if i'd hit rock bottom like that that that was genuine that i really really did have like this awakening and um yeah so do you think people need to go through suffering in order to create abundance not at all okay it just happened for some people but it doesn't have to happen it doesn't have to happen okay that's That's really why I think I do what I do and probably what you do what you do, right?

1:20:15Because it doesn't have to be like that at all. No, suffering doesn't equal life getting better. That's the way it happened for me because I was misfixed. But you also had to make a choice to get out of that suffering. I did. You had to choose and then choose daily. I did. Because you could have stayed in that suffering. Yeah. and I mean I did things like like I had reading glasses on at that time and this was like 20 years ago so I was using glasses to read books and you know reading and I would have them on and off and on and off and and then the moment I discovered the secret I was like oh that's a belief oh my god I would just hear all the words you know oh I'm getting older now I'm need glasses you know well you wait you see you know and so I took all of the situations where I struggled to see in restaurants with dim lighting on a on a plane you know when the lights are all off I took all of these things and I imagined myself seeing clearly and my mantra was I can see clearly I can see clearly now this is how kind of wet behind the ears I was because I expected when I came out of my visualization, I expected that I didn't need my glasses.

1:21:37I was like, I'm not going to need these glasses. But it took three days. Really? And I've never used them. Really? No. How long were you using glasses before that, like reading glasses? I needed to up them, so about five years, and I needed to take them up to the next level. Really? Yeah. Yes. And so you made a command. I sure did. And you know what? I had no doubt. I knew. I absolutely knew. And one of the doctors who was in the secret film, when I told him what had happened, he said, do you have any idea what had to happen to your eyes for you to be able to see like that? And I said, no, thank goodness.

1:22:20I had no idea because if I knew that, then it would be impossible, right? Right, right. I just had absolutely no doubt. Oh, my gosh, that was a belief. I can just change that. That's beautiful. Yeah. what did Bob Proctor say? If you can see it in your mind you'll hold it in your hand. You'll hold it in your hand. And you had this even though you weren't able to see at that moment in your mind you were able to see it. I could. I knew it. And then I guess you didn't have to hold reading glasses in your hand anymore. So you could release that. If you can see it in your mind you can hold it in your hand.

1:22:56You have this book Countdown to Riches 21 days of wealth attracting habits. The thing that I love about this the most is you can go through this in probably an hour. It's beautiful. It's a visual experience. And it gives you very simple practices every day for 21 days to create power in your life and to create you more tools to feel better and to create a better experience in your life as well. And if you do this, and you follow this every single day for 21 days and then keep repeating it, you're gonna create more opportunities in your life. I know it. So I want everyone to get this book, Countdown to Riches, 21 Days of Wealth Attracting Habits by our good friend, Rhonda Byrne, who is the creator of The Secret.

1:23:45And I'm assuming many people here have watched our previous interviews and you probably have her books as well. But make sure you get a copy for yourself, get one for a friend. And is there anything else that's on your heart or mind that you think people should really know before we wrap things up?

1:24:07Probably just that they're worthy and deserving of everything, really. And I know that they're eternal beings. They might not know it, you know, but they are eternal beings and they've done a few rounds around here. But, yeah, just chill and really just stop and smell the daisies, as they say, and just do your best to be here now. Yeah. Right. And not let your mind take you to the past and project into the future, but just like just be here now because oh my gosh here now is just really is divine it's beautiful ron i want to acknowledge you for constantly showing up and creating tools teaching books content that inspire that impact that help us become better in our lives this is a powerful one countdown to riches the secret obviously you've done so many other great books the greatest secret which i liked as well um so i want to acknowledge you for constantly showing up you You've got 35 million plus books out there in the world.

1:25:20You don't have to keep doing this. You don't have to keep creating. You've made tons of money. You've got a great life. You have a harmonious experience. But I appreciate and value you in how you keep showing up in service the best way you can to help other people. And you're making a difference in my life and everyone watching and listening. And I've asked this before, but I'm curious your definition now. It's a final question. What's your definition of greatness?

1:25:57Maybe for me now it's knowing the truth. Yeah, knowing the truth. because I really know that there's only one real purpose for us, each of us, and that is to discover who we are. And who we are is greatness multiplied by infinity. And how do you find who you are? Here, now. Secret door. There you go. Yeah. Love it. Thanks for being here. Appreciate you. Thank you, Lewis. Amazing. Love it. Amazing. Thank you. I have a brand new book called Make Money Easy. And if you're looking to create more financial freedom in your life, you want abundance in your life, and you want to stop making money hard in your life, but you want to make it easier.

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