The Jonas Brothers Reveal THE TRUTH Behind Their Breakup & Comeback

31:18It's that we weren't confident that people that we wanted to work with would work with us. And when we finally just said that out loud, that, you know, we were basically stunting our own growth because we were afraid of rejection. It was a big reality check and an important one. Rejection from who though, was it? Producers and songwriters who we were, again, the alternate reality was, yeah, we don't want to work with them. But you're afraid they didn't want to work with you. Interesting. And then we burst that bubble. What was that fear though? Was it afraid to like, oh, they didn't take you as a serious artist or like a next...

31:57Misinceptions and I think personally, like that was my, my thought would be like misconceptions of just like some of the past choices of like even working with Disney like that's all this is and it's like no we wrote all this music before we ever teamed up with Disney and thank god we had them and they helped surge and gave us a platform for our audience to hear the music we created and the music that Nick wrote in the basement of our Little Falls house in New Jersey when we were in between labels when we were dropped like that is the album that we called Jonas Brothers because that's the album.

32:31That was his 18 years or how old were you? 15 at the point? Yeah, 15 years of that first album. We had an album before that, but that really wasn't us. It was this one, right? That's why it's called Jonas Brothers. And we found our sound. We found who we are and we found our voice. I think that success has changed for me. And I think having my family be able to attend shows, which I never thought was going to happen when we had that dip your kids my children yeah because we broke up and they're just about to have our first like i never thought they'd experience the jones what is that like having your kids show up it's the greatest experience you know having my wife danielle and my support there and that that that feeling is on unmatched but then having the our my two girls come to shows and bring their friends and be like proud wow and like be excited and like be singing when we did this thing on broadway and they're on like that on the balcony and they're jumping around singing a song.

33:27It's unimaginably like nothing else matters. It's like, cool, did it, great. Because you were a teenager when you started and now it's like they're almost... Well, your daughter was a teenager. That's like the emotion behind that must be surreal. And we're still doing it. Now the requests come in though. So now it's like MetLife is like, dad, I need a box for all my friends to come. I'm like, okay. It's becoming be very expensive. Yeah, right, right. Wow, this is fascinating. Something else that I think you mentioned, Joe, earlier in the interview is about how, and you kind of just said this, how you wrote the songs or you were, you kind of led, you were a natural born leader.

34:07I think that's what you said about Nick. What was that like as you guys, as the older brothers, I guess. I think we needed it. Allowing him to lead or allowing him to kind of like. I think we needed it. We obviously all work together but i think we needed it because at that point we're a little older and we're like oh we just want to hang out with these two girls that we just met right right and then nick's writing this incredible music and we come back and hear it and be like oh okay that's great too i think there's pros and cons yeah exactly i mean i think like would like it took us a while to also like have mutual respect for like what we bring to the table you know that's three of us and i Because he's like the younger brother too.

34:47The younger brother. So I think I was envious probably with his natural talent too. I was just like, it's a bit unfair. And I think also, that's at the time, and I think also naturally people... He was an old soul, so he's kicking it with 50-year-old dudes writing music. And I'm like... And then also at the time, I think because we were, to his point, being like, we're older and we just want to like, I want to go on a date or something. Or I want to go just have a night off. Nick's like, why do you not want to be in the studio right now? And so it was like, And how old were you at this time? Like 15 or 16.

35:22Crazy. And by the way, just like 20. So to that point, I think like I was motivated by different things at that time. Eventually. The girls didn't kick in yet. Right. Exactly. I'm like, you just wait, kids. you know it's like one of those things where over years and years later like and it really happened i think during the breakup where like we all had to go figure out creatively like what we can do on our own how long was that breakup again six years or so um and we call it a breakup but like we had no intent to get back together that was not like we're done i think it was just like there was too much under the rug to like to roll up and say okay well we're gonna dress all these things that were problematic and also things were good like the so everyone's not being long-winded i think it was a little bit challenging at times and i feel like we um had to trust each other more with being like actually you are good in this band you are talented and i all of us and for different reasons like i shouldn't maybe just be the person in the like for me i was like like the audience thinks you're a frontman that doesn't as we were there was never a choice for that.

36:33So it's like, we can all share the spotlight and we can all share the studio and we could all share songwriting. We could all share money. Right, right, right. It was like, we could share this experience together and all fronts. And, um, we had to figure that out. How long did it take you? I mean, I watched the documentary came out a few years ago, but for those who didn't watch it, what was the core issue that you needed to resolve as a unit, as a family, to be able to come back together and let go of either the envy or the jealousy or the whatever was swept under the rug that wasn't talked about?

37:09What was the core issue that you guys needed to mend and how did you mend it? I think a lot of people assumed that we had our together and we would talk about certain things. And I think there's an aspect where I think this goes for a lot of people in the industry. It's like, we're all just trying of figure it out as we go. And especially when you're that young, you say something and it's in print. Back then we had printed things and people would just think that's like, you go by that word, but it's like, well, we're also like 17, 16 years old. We're figuring out who we are. And so I think like what we needed to, there's a lot of things we probably needed to have real tough conversations about.

37:49But like primarily as a core of like a band, I think it was the dynamics of how we need to open the door a bit more for other creatives to be a part of this project. Oh, not just you guys. Not just us. And a lot others to have input. And I watched that happen a lot, like for sure, when we came back afterwards and seeing all the work that Joe had done independently with his solo music with DNCE and all the writers and the songwriters that he worked with, Nick in the same capacity. And then getting together in our first writing camp with the three of us coming back into the music as a unit, but having multiple rooms going with the people that they all loved working with and bouncing from room to room and doing it unlike I've ever done it was so cool to see because there was no like, we have to be in this room, we're all writing together and this is the idea and that's, it's like, I'm gonna start this idea, I'm gonna work, Kevin, you jump in here with them, see what happens.

38:45And like, it became so much more like it was free. And because of that, I think it would became authentic. And I think that deciding to understand that there are three very independent and very different people, even though we're brothers, is important. And also forgiveness for things that like, we were just trying to learn who we were. Right. RR. Yeah. We're still trying to figure it out, I guess. Yeah, you're still trying to figure it out. I'm still figuring it out. But it sounds like you guys were trying to do all the work yourselves early on or it was like having the pride of like, I want to write the songs or whatever it is.

39:20And you were resistant to allowing outside support or you were afraid of them rejecting you, I guess. And now you're about collaboration. Let's just find the best people that can help us make great art is what I'm hearing you say. Totally, yeah. And how does that make you feel now that it's more collaborative, not just within you guys, but with others you respect as well. I think that we had a real chip on our shoulder in our youth and early days of the band where we were really, you know... Trying to prove. Trying to prove ourselves. And we'd see a lot of young acts come up around our same age and see these guys be like, just handed.

39:57And we got so mad. They'd be like, we were like, you didn't pay any dues. Like, that was kind of our attitude because we were a touring band for years before we even had somebody pay attention to us. So, sorry to interrupt. Because they were just like given a song by a great artist and they sang it? Well, yeah. It was just like, yeah, we felt like, wait, we're over here playing our instruments and loading in our gear and this young hotshot kid comes out of nowhere and steals our audience. That's how we thought, which was obviously like, nobody has the control of the music industry. Like we... You know, it's like not one solo artist that doesn't go like, we live...

40:33It's 2025, it's this... Today's... It's their... It's their year. like I kind of always get annoyed when I read like you can blurp my bleep by now but like Rolling I don't care but Rolling Stones like top songs of the year to our favorite songs of the year I'm always like so subjective because that this is like everybody can share this so yeah I think we also made a lot of decisions in fear fear that everything was going to fall apart everything was going to disappear that one wrong move nothing was going to be good anymore so make when you have that as your first hurdle to get over before you make all the decisions, you're going to fall down pretty hard.

41:11Yeah. Interesting. Do you guys feel like you can make art and you can be successful and other people can be successful at the same time and hit the charts and tour out and sell out? Like, do you believe in having abundance for all artists or what's your thoughts on abundance? I think that there are certain artists who look at this music industry as something that can be dominated and you can win it. Interesting. And I think that that is completely insane. And it's mean, it causes people to do things behind the scenes that are unfair to other artists who are trying to find their way. And I think that the business is just kind of set up to allow it.

42:01And I know how difficult, firsthand, how difficult it is to get anything made, to see an anomaly happen, and how many people are often overlooked. Who are really talented. Who are really talented and don't get that shot. And it's because there are people trying to win the game. And it's like, it's just not fair. It's not kind. And I love seeing people succeed. And I love hearing music that can inspire me or touch someone else's life. The magic of that is real. So I think abundance gets a big cosine from me. I think everyone should win. and I think it's good and you know if to Joe's point about a sort of top song list I'm sorry it was I think it was best best not favorite best yeah yeah something like that favorite's different but best is but exactly but if you want to like if you want to talk about best songs look at all the music Lin-Manuel did for Moana like as a father yeah my biggest learning has been I'm tapping back into, you know, the brilliance of Disney's cinematic universe.

43:17And some of those songs in those movies are absolutely incredible. And what, that's not going to be on that list because it's not some indie act from wherever. Like, give me a break. There's some brilliant musical stuff happening. And our dad was always, you know, very wise in that he he would play us a you know a bunch of different styles of music music genres and different eras and all that kind of stuff and then you know the odd thing would would get played that one of us would be like oh i don't like this he's like well they did something right so listen yeah it's interesting and it gave us a far more dynamic sort of view of especially in pop music you know what one could consider isn't like great or excellent um a lot of people uh in the world yeah yeah there's nothing better than hearing a song and being like damn i wish i wrote that song right like because it's just like it's inspiring to hear great and hearing like just what's that one song for you um which you wrote uh it was first for me it was yellow by coldplay like when i heard that song for the first time ever i was just like it's a good one but what about like in the last five years?

44:2910 years? Last five years, 10 years. Come back to me, Joe. I never wrote a song called Come Back to Me. No, no. He's saying come back. This is the one thing I'm not good at, is naming songs. I don't know why I've never been good at it. It's interesting. You can't do it. I can't do it. And they do it. They put me on the spot all the time. That's not why I do that. No, no. Mine is... What's yours? Attention by Charlie Puth. If we had come out with that song, that would have been the number one record for us. It's such a great song. That's a great song. Yeah. I'm like so jealous. When did he write that song?

45:02About five or six years ago? It was like ten years ago, I think. God, that was a hit. It was massive. It was incredible. It was so catchy. And he, so at that time, I was doing some solo music, and every now and again, a song would get to me that he had written to potentially cut, and that one didn't. Oh, you're like, dang it. But yeah, Charlie, he's like, I'm keeping this one for me. You guys are all dads and my wife's pregnant. So I'm going to have my first kid here in the next few months. Amazing. Amazing. And I want to get you guys advice on what it's like being a dad and any advice you might have for me becoming a new dad.

45:45Well, the first thing I did, what you're doing is asking people, I hope you respect us, but People that I really respected, fathers, parents, parent figures in my life that I really looked up to and would go to them and say, all right, what's the best piece of advice you can give me? Like your quick like table pitch. And I just collected it all. Kept a few that I really loved and some that I'll be good. But I think it's for me, I've really being present and also like it's so humbling being a father where you'd be like, all right, let's put the devices away. And you're just like, well, you're on your phone.

46:22Well, you're right. Putting those into practice. Kind of trying to be a present person and present dad. What about you guys? Yeah, I think that that is the best advice is the phone really can take so many precious moments away. And because these jumps in development happen so quickly when they're that small, you really can't end up missing some of the most special moments of your kid's life. So I've tried to do my best to put the phone in another room on charge or something and go and just spend some time and be present. And it's just a magical thing once you're really able to connect and tap in.

47:06So that's the advice. I think you're going to handle it with excellence. Thanks. Appreciate it. Appreciate it. I actually heard this yesterday from a friend. They said, you know, you take 10 ,000 hours to be great at what you do. And they said, you try to put in 10 ,000 hours with your children before the age of 10. Interesting. And I was like, whoa. Thinking about it, and it's true. My daughter's 11, my oldest. And by the time they're already at that age, they've got their own friend groups. They're starting to live their own life. Like it's not outside of your home, but like they're, they're definitely their own people in a sense.

47:39And you start losing time. Oh, I already feel it. And so 10 ,000 hours before 10 is a great goal. Wow. You guys all have girls, right? Yeah. Yeah. So what's the biggest lesson or how have you all evolved as men from before having girls to after having girls now? Well, yeah, I mean, there's a lot of things that we just didn't know because we grew up household of all boys. Our parents always joke and say they tried four times for a girl and got four boys. And I think having an amazing teammate in my wife and just the woman that she is has helped me and my daughter. We've all benefited from that.

48:27And it's amazing to be able to walk kind of side by side with someone as brilliant as her. And it makes being a dad even more special and a girl dad at that. And mine's still so young that there's lessons down the road as she gets older. I'm sure Kevin's experiencing that I will experience, but right now I'm just kind of loving all of her interests. And it's that inherent thing in her that just loves purple and pink and princesses, and it's kind of incredible. What's evolved inside of you from becoming a girl dad? Well, our initial journey with parenthood was really kind of frightening. We had about a two-and-a-half, three-month period in the NICU with our daughter.

49:17You know, the beginning of her life was really a test, not only for her, but for us. And, you know, in these moments where life throws you a curveball like that, how you react says everything about, I think, um, who, who your parents are and how they raised you and the foundation that you have. And luckily our, our parents raised us to, to, to take that moment, to take a breath and cry if you need to cry or, or do whatever you need to do, but then to stand firm in your convictions and make a game plan. And, and so we, we quickly sprung into action and while it could be very easy to let the, the tornado of, of, you know, events happening, cause a breakdown.

49:58We stayed calm and I leaned on family and friends to get through that and basically have my first test as a father be one of the hardest, perhaps I hope, that we'll ever have to go through. And yeah, I think it was an encouraging thing that when truly tested with what was going to end up being a really tough couple months, I was able to sort of find it within myself to stay positive and encouraged and get through it. That's beautiful, man. Joe, what about you, man? What's evolved within you by becoming a girl dad? Everything. It's the greatest joy and journey navigating. I have two beautiful girls, and And before having kids, I think, you know, we have a really strong, incredible mom who raised four boys, which is like, as a parent now, I'm like, how did you do that?

50:57Obviously, two amazing parents, but a really strong presence of a mom in our household, which I think really helped us kind of understand how to treat people with respect. and so my my little ones have like some incredible women to look up to including their mom um so i have a great co-parenting relationship which is really important to me and um i think what's the change or developed in me the most i i know a lot of unicorn names that i never thought i would would know you know give me a couple um i think there's polly i think um rachel some they made up You know, I love the sensitivity and the gentleness of young girls have, but also the strength that they're like, you're building them up to be these incredible, confident superheroes.

51:56And it's so amazing as a parent to be able to just even go through a bookstore and like things that I knew you wanted to read or things that now in this amazing world, in this generation where we can be like grabbing books about Pride Month, things that I really love that my kids get to have. There's so many options. It's really lovely. Sure. And I think also in myself, I think probably I've realized it's just day to day. it's really quite humbling and um eye-opening to to learn so much about myself within um learning about them i want to ask you know you said something before before we started rolling that you said you wanted to make this honest this conversation like this would make it powerful so when i ask you kevin because you're you're the oldest and you have the most wisdom of the three i'm assuming because you're the oldest what is the thing we're getting honest now you know exactly What is the thing that both Joe and Nick do really well as leaders in their life in general that you really respect and admire?

53:03And what's the thing, being the oldest and the wisest, that you've observed of both of them that you think they can both improve on? Oh, God. Okay. Yeah, don't tell them how to raise their kids. That's like a no-fly zone for any of us. It's like telling somebody how to drive. Exactly. But more of like, what do you see that they do really well in life? And how could they - I thought we were still on parenting, so I got a little nervous there. um no what they do in real life i think balancing their their schedules in the sense of their family and their time right like we all have our individual lives outside of what we do together and trying to find that balance between priorities saying yes to everything saying no when you have to saying maybe you know it's like trying to figure out how to make sure that the work-life balance is truly there um they do an incredible job at um not always perfect none of us are uh but I think they are incredibly good at making sure they are home when they need to be home and as much time as they can be and still prioritize the growth of their business, the growth of them as individuals, still daily challenges.

54:03Like Nick deciding to do this Broadway show that he did for the last 14 weeks, 14, 15. That is a gauntlet, right? It's eight shows a week. You don't have to do that. We could have done enough money. You don't need to do that. Yeah. It's more about just like the craft and bettering yourself and choosing to do something that's challenging. And I think they both do that. Joe releasing a very honest album in the last six months. He worked on it for a while, but like being very, very vulnerable in the songwriting, the performances, the way he presented it, like the amount of time spent online to promote it.

54:39Joe, you know, finding new ways to do that through, you know, you know, TikTok, social media, how they can do better. what's one thing each one of them could improve on in their life that you think and you see as the wiser older brother i do not have this answer i i really don't um that can upset us yeah what's the no i like i don't know since um we said honesty yeah no i'm with you i just really don't really know um if i'm being completely fair with you but the answer is for joe uh letting others choose a restaurant at times. Joe does a very good job of curating. Joe does a very good job of curating the experience.

55:19He takes a lot of pride in where we go, where we eat, what kind of coffee we drink. And sometimes he's good at it. And he's very good at it. Sometimes it'd be nice to just do something else sometimes. So what's the deeper meaning underneath that? Correct. Having a choice in the conversation. Allowing others to have a choice in the conversation. without having offense be given. Oh, so not like taking control of everything. It's not just because we have a suggestion does not mean your suggestion is not. Okay. And what about, how does that land for you? Does that resonate at all? It's, I'm aware of this.

55:53I'm no stranger to this. And I think I've gotten better at it. I used to go to, we'd like show up in a city to visit Nick and I'd be like, oh, I'm going to show you around. He's like, I've been here for, I've actually been here. And I've also visited this place when we were younger at the same age. Yeah. I've gotten better. We did go to a restaurant. Nick decided on this. Oh, that's good. That actually meant a lot to me. And there was no, there was no like pushback. He recognized that I haven't been in my home city for like six months. And I was like, I'm dying to just go and I'm going to go there regardless.

56:27It's sort of the. You're the commoner. And he allowed us to go. That's great. What about for Nick? What's something that you really admire and respect? And then one thing that you see he could improve on? I think I mentioned the challenging himself continuously. I think that that is something that I find really impressive. Still pushing the boundaries, sometimes when you don't really have to, but like still choosing to. Improve on for Nate, it's just my personal experience. When he's going through a frustrating time, voicing that, vocalizing that frustration instead of retracting. So what is that?

57:01You mean he kind of holds it in the frustration? He internalizes. Personally, I think he internalizes. And so then he, so I get nervous that I'm going to overstep if he's trying to process. I want to help because that's just my personality, but I also sometimes don't know how. Interesting. Okay. And what about, what about for you with both of them? One thing you admire about your older brother and think that he could improve on and one thing for Nick as well. I think Kevin is... And maybe you guys already talk about this stuff all the time, but I'm just... We don't actually talk about it enough.

57:33Really? Yeah. It's like the time that we have to just hang outside of work is better spent, I think, enjoying what we're doing and not just having tough conversations. But this is great. This is my favorite kind of promo. Awesome. Yeah. I think Kevin is thoughtful. He's very... He's an incredible father and partner and it's amazing to watch him like navigate... Like I think we used to tease him on his like quick red eyes after a show to get back to his family until we had our families of our own and we're like, oh... Red eye. We're like, oh, we get it. Like that course you want to be as much as possible, be with your family and be present with them.

58:21I think what he can improve on, I would say probably just relaxing and chilling out a little bit more. Being able to just like pump the brakes and be a little less hard on himself. How so? Is he just, you mean he's just always driven for more or he's always frustrated with what he's not creating or? I think it's probably my assumption or knowing you so well is probably making sure that like pleasing others and then it puts the pressure on perfectionism and making sure everything's like nothing can go wrong and then if something goes wrong it's like the castle's falling and I think like being easier on yourself.

59:06I like that. Well there's a book called The Birth Order which is about kind of the order of like our siblings being birthed. And the firstborn is supposed to be the most perfectionist, have the most responsibility on them. So maybe that's through you being the oldest of wanting to be perfect at everything. Yeah. I think there's definitely some... I'm not trying to be perfect. I just feel like there's definitely an attempt to manage and it's not necessarily good all the time. Right. Okay. So how did that land for you? Good. I totally get it. And yeah, I do need to chill what about this guy um he is a a natural born leader and and within our band as well um and he is just coming off of like doing one of the most challenging things i think as um a friend but a bandmate i mean going and doing a broadway show in general is like very challenging and with as like his like two-thirds of this and also one-third of this and also speaking for us and also watching him kind of navigate this this mountain that he just went after it's a beloved for those who don't know it's a beloved theater show and it's already going to have a lot of eyeballs and critics and i i guess voices a part of a show like this and it was like unwarranted negativity when it was announced and a lot of a lot of a lot of like there was a lot of negativity a lot of it was just tough it was about the casting to the show itself and we went to opening night it was brilliant and it was like beautiful i went to opening night and the opening preview and I was like you're crushing it and this is like he sings the entire show wow him and what uh andrean warren they're both brilliant or were brilliant and um you know it's just an uphill battle and then award season like tony award season it's like it's you're constantly fighting this kind of thing that's the theater world it's it's a it's a whole league of its own and i think a lot of the time it's like very insulated um and i you know witnessed him like have to even on like you read a tough and we've gone through it but it's not never it's never easy you read like a tough review or tough like tweet and you got to go like put on a good face and go do the show for people that have bought the tickets and so i think like that was really impressive how he was finding the why of like why do this show or why this isn't that's not fun part of this business um and him navigating that and still going and crushing it and never missing a show wow um eight shows a week yeah eight shows a week and also then like spending time with his daughter and wife and being present and being there and showing up and waking up early hitting the gym, eating clean, not drinking as much.

1:02:11Like that is just a challenge in itself. It's very athletic. And I was really impressed. And I could see how it made a great change on his personality. Now what he could work on, I would say it goes hand in hand with the first one, which is probably when these opportunities arise, it's always like an obvious yes. But I think probably maybe thinking about, okay, like, what do I really need? Because we go so much, like, we just move and we're just naturally born, like, I don't want to say workaholics, but we love what we do. And so time off is like somewhat abnormal to us. It feels weird when you guys aren't doing a project, huh?

1:02:55Right. And we, because we love it. And so I think, I think that opportunity that comes i think i would encourage him to say you know what maybe i don't know yet but maybe i do need a break interesting yeah you never really take a break it seems like huh once a year once a year we go on like a little vacation like what a week or two or like like yeah week to 10 days and that's it it's kind of it i mean you're just on non-stop yeah it's it's a it's a product of loving what we do, you know, being incredibly motivated by the fact that I see the runway of opportunity has thankfully been extended for, you know, let's call it 15 to 20 years.

1:03:49I'm 32. I think it's realistic that that's possible, but that runway exists and I can't ignore that. none of us can. And it's about building something that I can be proud of when I'm, you know, 20 years down the line, hopefully sitting on a beach enjoying the time that I I'm sacrificing now. But I think that's a good perspective and good outlook. And thank you for what you said about the show. That's great. That meant a lot. That's great. And what about for these two guys? We'll save the youngest of the group for last, you know? Yeah. I think Kevin is is very wise financially. And he, as a part of our business equation, because we're brothers, we're family, obviously, we're bandmates, we're creative partners, but we also run a business.

1:04:38And we're kind of co-CEOs in that sense. So we really have to kind of lean on each other for different things in different areas where we excel. And he certainly does when it comes to the financial aspect of the business and kind of operating, you know, the, the, the business part of it, which is wonderful and takes pressure off of us to be in the weeds on that. You're kind of the creative director of the financial aspect and the vision of the, I just think just managing the day to day on it. Like there's constant things, you know, it's, it's, it's a lot. It's, it's a very large ship that moves very fast sometimes, but also very slow at others.

1:05:15And, you know, it can take time yeah and then i think um the thing that he can improve upon is that i think he he creates hurdles for for himself and his desire to to say what we've all kind of said which is to please other you know when it comes to what he said about about me and and when i sort of go and hermit you know when i'm going through something um i think sometimes he takes that personally and it's actually just about me processing or someone else going through their journey and it doesn't need to be fixed. And it's not your fault, it's just, it just doesn't need to be fixed in that moment.

1:05:52Joe has a carefree ease and ability to, I think, kind of see the good in everything and everyone, even when situations that are thrown his way are unfair, where he's characterized in a way that is unfair or, um, you know, we all live this, this public life and, um, uh, you have to sort of take the good with the bad and know that, um, who you are with the people that love you and surround you is who you are and not necessarily always, um, what the world sees or thinks. Um, but he, he has this ability to, to see the good and, and it's reflected too and his music, his attitude on stage and the way he treats people.

1:06:39And I really admire it and am grateful for it because I don't have that as easily. I have a tendency to be sort of a little bit more cynical at times or skeptical. And I can see the times in which it directly reflects my ability to perform my best or that's not just on stage, but in the studio or if I'm in my head about something. Um, and he's got this great ability to kind of pull out of it. Um, something he could work on. Um, I mean, I, I think that the very thing that makes you great can also be the thing that, that makes it difficult at times. Um, so when there's like an important conversation business-wise or creatively, uh, and he's more carefree and has an ease to him, like, it's like, let's lock in.

1:07:29Focus. He's like, ah, whatever, you know. Um, but again, it's, it's, It's like the brilliance of what makes us all dynamic and excellent teammates is that we have these things that make us great. It also is a double-edged sword of it. So I've got a few final questions for each one of you, but you've got the new album coming out, Greetings from Your Hometown. It's out August 8th, and you're kicking off the tour of MetLife Stadium, which is cool because it's kind of like the dream stadium you guys saw growing up near your hometown. where you're like, maybe one day in the future we could go play here, and now you're about to go sell this thing out and kick off this tour.

1:08:06What are you guys most excited about the album and the tour for people to know about? This tour for us is a celebration of this 20-year journey. Our last tour was basically five albums in one night. It was a really ambitious show where we basically played everything from our five albums in the show. This is different because we're going to reimagine some of the songs, not just from our music catalog, but from Joe's solo stuff and DNCE and from my solo stuff and my side project. And so it covers a lot of ground. And then there's a real kind of story aspect to it as well. And it's going to kind of end with us effectively creating sort of a version of what it was like to be in our living room with our dad playing music.

1:08:57Wow. you know, and how we do that visually will be really fun to pull off. But then at the core, it's just about what those songs were. So our first song we ever wrote together, Please Be Mine, When You Look Me In The Eyes, which was really our first kind of hit that we wrote with our dad back in 2004. And so it's going to be emotional and a celebration. We've got Marshmello, we've done two tracks with, he's going to be a big part of the show. And then all American rejects are support for the tour and they're killing it right now. If you've seen any of their pop-ups, they've been doing it like these house parties, but, um, it's going to be a really, really fun, fun night.

1:09:36And for anyone that, that is a fan, we can't wait to see you obviously, but for those that wouldn't, as I mentioned before, like just come and experience it. And I guarantee you, you will, you will be uplifted. You'll, you'll feel some joy. Are you guys coming to LA? Yeah. Yeah. I got to come. I got to bring my lady and come out. that'd be amazing. So hypothetically, you all get to live as long as you want to live in this world. You live 100, however old you are, and it's the last day on earth. So put yourself in that timeframe many years away. And you've accomplished all of your dreams, everything.

1:10:09And you've lived the life personally, professionally that you want to live. You've made all the arts, you've had all the downtime, all the different stuff, it's all happened for you. But for whatever reason, in a hypothetical scenario, all of your content, your music, anything you write or post online, it's erased or it's gone. And we don't have access to your content or your songs anymore. But on this last day, you get to leave behind three lessons. And you get to leave them behind to your daughters. And you get to share it with them. And they get to share it with the world. What would be the three things that you would leave behind, the lessons you would share to your daughter about the things you've learned in life.

1:10:50I'll let you start, then you, then you. Sure. Um, being nicer than you need to be. Like, it's so much, being nice is cool. And also, um,

1:11:10go to compassion before assumption.

1:11:16Constance Wu speaks about this. I encourage everybody to watch it. There's a video of her on a light night show. She speaks about this. And the third is probably...

1:11:31I thought this was fascinating, but... I don't know. It might have been yours, honestly. But learning that Disney characters are taught to... Hug. Are taught to hug a child until the child lets go. And I think for your sister and for your family and friends, hug until they're ready to let go. Man, that's beautiful. That gave me a chill. That's cool, man. What about you, Kev? I think number one is work everything out with your sister. Don't forget that she's going to always be your number one. Me, your mom will be gone, but you'll have her. And work it out.

1:12:32Two, explore the world. see it get after it like go wake up early walk the city like you know like i want them to feel and know more than just their hometown um and three it's okay not to be good at everything it's it's just about the try it's just about working on that i we work on that constantly with our youngest um she took a long time to find what she liked and it's like it's okay not to be okay with like be good at it and just just work at it like do your best beautiful beautiful nick you'll never regret being kind even when it's you know even that seems impossible you'll never regret it.

1:13:29Make sure the door is always open and the table gets bigger. Everyone is always welcome in our home and they have a place to stay. They have a place to eat. The door is always open. And last thing I would say to my daughter would be your mother's the same. She's never done a single thing wrong in her entire life. She's the best. That's beautiful. Final question for each one of you, before I ask it to you, I want to acknowledge you, Nick, Joe, and Kevin, for your authenticity, your honesty, for your vulnerability, for your love, and the joy that you bring to the world every single day. Individually, and your families, you know, we have a lot of mutual connections and friends, and I only hear great things about you guys.

1:14:12And so, I appreciate each one of you, and how you show up in the world artistically, personally, you know, no one's perfect. We're all trying to figure stuff out, and we've all got room to grow, but you guys bring a lot of joy to the world, individually and as a group. And I think that's really inspiring. So I want to acknowledge you guys for that. And I hope to see you continue to change many lives for many years to come. And I'm just grateful for you guys. My final question is, what is your definition of greatness? And we'll start with you. Definition of greatness would be,

1:14:48it would be seeing

1:14:52Seeing that it is possible to achieve great things and remain a good person, that is greatness. It is hard for a lot of people to balance it, and they think they have to sacrifice one or the other. You don't. No. We got to watch a hero. do it with such ease. Our Father is, in my mind, the definition of greatness. Beautiful. Joe? You have the ability to do what you love and to be kind along the way. Definitely agree. Our Father is such a great example of a human being navigating life through his unreal journey. and I think if the people that I really look up to are like are really good at what they do but also are really kind and really take like I want to be like them that's greatness I want to be like that person or I want to like learn from them that's cool I think having a healthy relationship with my family, my children, my wife, my brothers, my parents, extended family.

1:16:20Truly, I think that will always make me feel like I've achieved the most. The new album is out. The tour. People go watch you on tour. Jonas Brothers, thank you guys so much. Thank you, sir. Thank you. I appreciate it. It was awesome. Amazing. Loved it. Amazing. I hope you enjoyed today's episode and it inspired you on your journey towards greatness. Make sure to check out the show notes in the description for a full rundown of today's episode with all the important links. And if you want weekly exclusive bonus episodes with me personally, as well as ad-free listening, then make sure to subscribe to our Greatness Plus channel exclusively on Apple Podcasts.

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